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CCa1ss1e
Canada3231 Posts
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46498 Posts
Do they really? Is it on the same stage as DotA? | ||
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JayJay_90
Germany1632 Posts
On June 19 2012 07:06 L3g3nd_ wrote: its fucking 10am here ive been up all night to watch this, stop your complaining @@ haha mad respect to you sir! :D | ||
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Zorgaz
Sweden2951 Posts
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sekritzzz
1515 Posts
On June 19 2012 07:04 Candadar wrote: I keep seeing people use the word "random" in relation with DotA. It's cute, because it allows me to weed out the people who have absolutely not played a single game of DotA and not take their opinions seriously at all. Stop saying that a game sucks because you don't know what's going on. Out of all places, I thought a Starcraft community would be the most accepting of a game with a high skill ceiling. Anyways, back to the game. Because that's what i'm excited for. :D theres a huge difference between people saying a game sucks and a game being hard to follow on TV. Most people are arguing the latter. | ||
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Jaegeru
United Kingdom676 Posts
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
On June 19 2012 07:06 L3g3nd_ wrote: its fucking 10am here ive been up all night to watch this, stop youre complaining @@ well dreamhack is supposed to be OUR thing, didn't you have like perfect schedule for MLG?  I missed basicly the whole MLG as well... | ||
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hi_0
Canada249 Posts
On June 19 2012 07:01 maartendq wrote: I watched Starcraft without much idea of what does what. I had played the campaign a few times, but I mainly started watching it because I once saw a documentary about Starcraft being a popular competitive video game in South Korea. I had a great time watching practically all the games on gomtv.net, grew really fond of tasteless as a caster (I still am, even though Artosis drowns him out way too much and Tasteless' passion for Starcraft 2 isn't on the same level as his passion for BW). I found out very quickly how the game functioned. The premise was also very easy: destroy the other player's base. Like you said, in a MOBA game you have to know each of the heroes, and there tend to be a lot. Next there's also the items, critters that randomly seem to attack towers (what's their function?), gold etc. There's a lot of stuff you cannot know unless you play the game yourself, or do a ton of research. That's not good for a spectator sport. Football, tennis, basketball, hell even american football are all sports that are relatively easy to understand for people who are new to them. The finesse unfolds if you watch it a lot. It's not something I see happening with MOBA games, a genre which I personally find a bastardization of the RTS genre (since you basically only have to control one unit). Another problem is that micro-battles between units that die incredibly slowly are a chore to watch. WC3 was a great game, but watching pro-players duking it out was almost sleep inducing. There's nothing exciting happening on-screen because units die so friggin' slowly! There's clearly a large amount of insider bias in your post whether you believe it or not. You are familiar with the RTS genre and admittedly if you've seen one RTS, you've seen them all, that's why you find it easy to jump into SC2 and watch it compared to something you've never personally played like a MOBA. Comparing RTS to MOBA is just silly because they are completely different things. LoL and HoN players will be able to watch and understand the basic concepts of Dota2, but may not be able to understand what is happening in an sc2 game. It's just about your experience and perspective, once again trying to compare RTS to MOBA is a waste of time. | ||
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aTo
Austria588 Posts
On June 19 2012 07:06 Kahzaar wrote: You can watch the tv version here http://www.svtplay.se/live/137305/dreamhack-summer-2012 ♥ (and wow to the new zealand viewer! hope the final will be worth it :D) | ||
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r00ty
Germany1087 Posts
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DrAbuse
Germany209 Posts
On June 19 2012 07:03 Massing wrote: gn8 dont wait for that - european tournament starting past midnight, how stupid are those organizers this is the finals, the tournament started at 2, brohan | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On June 19 2012 07:07 Frazzlehoon wrote: Before SC2 finals start! Take a few minutes and learn what Quake is about. This video is perfect. The player goes through whats going on through his head and explains the game, showing the intricacy and strategy needed to play it. Though I never played it before, after watching this video, I have major respect for the players. The speed that quake players play at alone is awe inspiring. | ||
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SeR3NiTy
France206 Posts
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
On June 19 2012 07:07 sleepingdog wrote: well dreamhack is supposed to be OUR thing, didn't you have like perfect schedule for MLG? I missed basicly the whole MLG as well... OH YEAH MLG STARTING AT 2AM IS PERFECT | ||
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Poilon
France139 Posts
I'm in my bed in the dark with my wife sleeping near me, have to go to work at 7am .... I look like a total jerk ! Please start now | ||
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Zheega
Slovenia180 Posts
On June 19 2012 07:06 Nimic wrote: I'm pretty sure we've now reached the point where the finals for at least one of the MLG Arenas started at a better time for Europeans than Dreamhack. It's pretty bad. Yep, MLG finals were sooner, I belive for the spring arena? | ||
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
tooo tired | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
As for game understanding, I can definitely understand people having problems understanding the game at first. There's A LOT of stuff going on, but out of the bunch DotA 2 is BY FAR the easiest to get into. When I compare LoL to DotA 2, graphics in LoL are too heavy on the contrast, all heroes have a couple of skills in common (mostly blink), and abilities aren't very easy to distinguish from one another. In Dota 2 colors are softer, if darker, and each hero has a sort of "vibe" that helps watchers know which hero is casting what skill. Take enigma for example, he's a big purple dude, shoots purple bolts as his base attack, makes little purple copies of himself, sets a purple circle as area damage and his ult is a big purple black hole. Visually it's not difficult to understand all of those skills come from him. Nevertheless, without studying the abilities it can be pretty hard to get. What's important, for new watchers is to get into the pace first, start by getting the basics. 2 bases, creeps fight automatically through 3 paths (lanes) and players must work as a team to help the creeps breach and destroy the enemy base. With that covered, understand the concept of lanes, try to get why a specific lane is better than the other and why heroes go together, then, you must start understanding the map and how map control is established. Finally, if you play, you will get skills in an automatic process, if you don't, you should just watch and pay attention to the commentaries. If you get interested, start reading about the mechanics behind the skills and the heroes. Dota really has a very steep learning curve, and there's A LOT of knowledge to grasp if you really want to. When I started obsessing over Dota about 5 years ago, I'd spend most of the time reading instead of playing. Such an awesome learning process. | ||
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