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sc2 final should start :/
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Watching DJ wheat being interviewed by swedish TV about E-sports at DH, Wheat is so passionate talking about sc and e-sports, im actually getting goosebumps over here. Love DJ wheat 333!
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On June 19 2012 07:08 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 07:06 L3g3nd_ wrote:On June 19 2012 07:05 Daxter wrote:
Past midnight finals start on weekday(even if it is summer) kind of sucks. It screws over any people who have to work the next day. At least it's not overlapping with football anymore. its fucking 10am here ive been up all night to watch this, stop your complaining @@ His complaint is legitimately. This is a european tournament for once so one could think it's a tournament watchable for europeans, and the time now certainly isn't good...
It's like an hour behind schedule.
Blame Dota clearly...
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On June 19 2012 07:08 Fenrax wrote:
ok i am out good night guys
tooo tired
I toke a nap when i heard finals where scheduled for 23.15 while the semi's were finished at 22.00 and the finals at the Arena thingy were already delayed at that time otherwise i would be clocking off to right now.
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On June 19 2012 07:09 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 07:06 maartendq wrote:On June 19 2012 07:04 masterchip27 wrote:On June 19 2012 07:01 maartendq wrote:On June 19 2012 06:53 Slardar wrote:On June 19 2012 06:50 maartendq wrote:On June 19 2012 06:43 GreyKnight wrote:
It's always amusing to read the opposing games forums cry in bewilderment how the other game doesn't make sense and they are confused why anyone would watch it Wouldn't call it bewilderment. SC2 is very clear. A red army fighting a blue army, and the army that gets obliterated, loses. MOBA games like LoL and DOTA2 have heroes attacking seemingly random stuff, critters that randomly walk towards and attack towers. It's a lot less clear to non-insiders what's going on. To be honest, I never played Brood War multiplayer, but it only took me a game or three on gomtv.net to have a general idea of what's going on, and by the 20th game I had a general grasp of the build orders the players were using. You have to know what each individual hero does or is at least capable of to have some strategic grasp as well as a basic clue. (e.g. who is on what team?) Imagine watching Starcraft with no idea what the units did, all you can assume is one team shooting or attacking the other. Give yourself time and a chance, if you learn the basics it will open up to you. I watched Starcraft without much idea of what does what. I had played the campaign a few times, but I mainly started watching it because I once saw a documentary about Starcraft being a popular competitive video game in South Korea. I had a great time watching practically all the games on gomtv.net, grew really fond of tasteless as a caster (I still am, even though Artosis drowns him out way too much and Tasteless' passion for Starcraft 2 isn't on the same level as his passion for BW). I found out very quickly how the game functioned. The premise was also very easy: destroy the other player's base. Like you said, in a MOBA game you have to know each of the heroes, and there tend to be a lot. Next there's also the items, critters that randomly seem to attack towers (what's their function?), gold etc. There's a lot of stuff you cannot know unless you play the game yourself, or do a ton of research. That's not good for a spectator sport. Football, tennis, basketball, hell even american football are all sports that are relatively easy to understand for people who are new to them. The finesse unfolds if you watch it a lot. It's not something I see happening with MOBA games, a genre which I personally find a bastardization of the RTS genre (since you basically only have to control one unit). Empirically league of legends has had a higher magnitude of livestream viewers than sc2 recently, at many events. So, I wouldn't be too sure about that theorycrafting. If a game is popular to play, and has a good competitive scene, people will watch. Well, it's a free and relatively casual game, with in-game stream support (hint HINT, blizzard?). It's got a way higher playerbase than SC2 as well, again, because it is free to play. If SC2's multiplayer were suddenly F2P, we'd see SC2 player number surge! No, we won't. SC 2 started off with a player base of 1 million+ players in the NA. It's a tiny fraction of that - around 10,000-20,000 by my last log in to the NA server - who play online ladder matches. Competitive RTS games aren't that attractive to casual players, and it's the casual players who make up the bulk of MOBA viewers.
MOBA
Please stop using this term.
It's fucking retarded.
-The Society of People Who Undestand What MOBA Stands For
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Starting!!!
NVM I got trolled
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On June 19 2012 07:08 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 07:06 L3g3nd_ wrote:On June 19 2012 07:05 Daxter wrote:
Past midnight finals start on weekday(even if it is summer) kind of sucks. It screws over any people who have to work the next day. At least it's not overlapping with football anymore. its fucking 10am here ive been up all night to watch this, stop your complaining @@ His complaint is legitimately. This is a european tournament for once so one could think it's a tournament watchable for europeans, and the time now certainly isn't good...
hmm the one thing that lines up well for us is GSL, starts at 9pm normally finishes just after midnight, which is perfect
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Wtf, can't they stop babbling soon and start the freaking finals...
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So they're doing interviews and pre-game stuff on TV, and just showing a SC2 logo for the stream, really?
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On June 19 2012 07:08 polyphonyEX wrote:
Great timing here in NA, utter shit for Europe. DH get your act together.
your getting the good end of the stick, yet your complaining
stop jumping on the bandwagon
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sickesst never expected finals ever, but i really like mana as well as dimaga sigh so hard to root for anybody there really cant decide...
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On June 19 2012 07:06 maartendq wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 07:04 masterchip27 wrote:On June 19 2012 07:01 maartendq wrote:On June 19 2012 06:53 Slardar wrote:On June 19 2012 06:50 maartendq wrote:On June 19 2012 06:43 GreyKnight wrote:
It's always amusing to read the opposing games forums cry in bewilderment how the other game doesn't make sense and they are confused why anyone would watch it Wouldn't call it bewilderment. SC2 is very clear. A red army fighting a blue army, and the army that gets obliterated, loses. MOBA games like LoL and DOTA2 have heroes attacking seemingly random stuff, critters that randomly walk towards and attack towers. It's a lot less clear to non-insiders what's going on. To be honest, I never played Brood War multiplayer, but it only took me a game or three on gomtv.net to have a general idea of what's going on, and by the 20th game I had a general grasp of the build orders the players were using. You have to know what each individual hero does or is at least capable of to have some strategic grasp as well as a basic clue. (e.g. who is on what team?) Imagine watching Starcraft with no idea what the units did, all you can assume is one team shooting or attacking the other. Give yourself time and a chance, if you learn the basics it will open up to you. I watched Starcraft without much idea of what does what. I had played the campaign a few times, but I mainly started watching it because I once saw a documentary about Starcraft being a popular competitive video game in South Korea. I had a great time watching practically all the games on gomtv.net, grew really fond of tasteless as a caster (I still am, even though Artosis drowns him out way too much and Tasteless' passion for Starcraft 2 isn't on the same level as his passion for BW). I found out very quickly how the game functioned. The premise was also very easy: destroy the other player's base. Like you said, in a MOBA game you have to know each of the heroes, and there tend to be a lot. Next there's also the items, critters that randomly seem to attack towers (what's their function?), gold etc. There's a lot of stuff you cannot know unless you play the game yourself, or do a ton of research. That's not good for a spectator sport. Football, tennis, basketball, hell even american football are all sports that are relatively easy to understand for people who are new to them. The finesse unfolds if you watch it a lot. It's not something I see happening with MOBA games, a genre which I personally find a bastardization of the RTS genre (since you basically only have to control one unit). Empirically league of legends has had a higher magnitude of livestream viewers than sc2 recently, at many events. So, I wouldn't be too sure about that theorycrafting. If a game is popular to play, and has a good competitive scene, people will watch. Well, it's a free and relatively casual game, with in-game stream support (hint HINT, blizzard?). It's got a way higher playerbase than SC2 as well, again, because it is free to play. If SC2's multiplayer were suddenly F2P, we'd see SC2 player number surge!
What you miss is that F2P games need to be designed in such a way to still be profitable. LoL does that well by making most of its money by selling RP for skins, ability to unlock champions faster, etc. I think the MOBA genre is more well-suited to this type of marketing than RTSs...
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For everyone in eastern Europe I feel sorry for you, it's a European tournament, stream the finals for the convenience of your European viewers Dreamhack not for the convenience of fans in NA.
They already have MLG 
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What are we waiting for? Incontrol and Khaldor armwrestling?
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On June 19 2012 07:11 Anonymous_Coward wrote:
So they're doing interviews and pre-game stuff on TV, and just showing a SC2 logo for the stream, really?
Well it is a cool logo.
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Can someone link the tv.stream again?
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On June 19 2012 07:11 Nordmo wrote:
What are we waiting for? Incontrol and Khaldor armwrestling?
That wouldn't take long
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when is it gonna start? i want to sleep already.
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On June 19 2012 07:07 sleepingdog wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 07:06 L3g3nd_ wrote:On June 19 2012 07:05 Daxter wrote:
Past midnight finals start on weekday(even if it is summer) kind of sucks. It screws over any people who have to work the next day. At least it's not overlapping with football anymore. its fucking 10am here ive been up all night to watch this, stop youre complaining @@ well dreamhack is supposed to be OUR thing, didn't you have like perfect schedule for MLG?  I missed basicly the whole MLG as well...
MLG events in Cali tend to screw over the east coast a bit. Fri and Sat ended at 2-3 am lol
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People who think that esports will make it mainstream because a game can be observed even by people who haven't played it are delusional. It's not going to happen. People who don't play games watch "normal" sports. Esports will grow because more and more people are playing games and the game with the most players will be the biggest esport. At the moment this is LoL.
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