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Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
June 18 2012 22:14 GMT
#5901
On June 19 2012 07:13 Kahzaar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 07:12 Xoronius wrote:
Can someone link the tv.stream again?

http://www.svtplay.se/live/137305/dreamhack-summer-2012


Damn it, seems to be illegal in germany. Thanks anyway.
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
June 18 2012 22:14 GMT
#5902
On June 19 2012 07:13 TheSir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 07:13 Kahzaar wrote:
On June 19 2012 07:12 Xoronius wrote:
Can someone link the tv.stream again?

http://www.svtplay.se/live/137305/dreamhack-summer-2012


doesn't work for me? right only for .se

Apparently it only works for people who live in sweden.
o choro é livre
Jaegeru
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom676 Posts
June 18 2012 22:14 GMT
#5903
On June 19 2012 07:13 TheSir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 07:13 Kahzaar wrote:
On June 19 2012 07:12 Xoronius wrote:
Can someone link the tv.stream again?

http://www.svtplay.se/live/137305/dreamhack-summer-2012


doesn't work for me? right only for .se


Won't work for anybody outside of Sweden / Norway

I wan't to see Starcraft on TV
MVP on winning his Fourth GSL - "Yeah I know the routine, take the flowers and cheque, I will kiss the trophy for the photo"
AsymptoticClimax
Profile Joined May 2012
United Kingdom249 Posts
June 18 2012 22:14 GMT
#5904
On June 19 2012 07:13 Kahzaar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 07:12 Xoronius wrote:
Can someone link the tv.stream again?

http://www.svtplay.se/live/137305/dreamhack-summer-2012



One that doesn't require me to be in sweden?
i wish my motherboard would find a fatherboard so i could have anotherboard
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
June 18 2012 22:14 GMT
#5905
On June 19 2012 07:14 mostevil wrote:
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On June 19 2012 07:13 ZAiNs wrote:
On June 19 2012 07:12 Chronos. wrote:
I thought SC2 was on right after DOTA? Anyone know how much longer till it's on?

Dreamhack is waiting for the viewer count to drop below 35,000, then they will start the finals.

Bad news then, it's going up....

Yea, we might have to wait a while.
MentalGNT
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark1264 Posts
June 18 2012 22:15 GMT
#5906
On June 19 2012 07:10 Candadar wrote:
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On June 19 2012 07:09 Azarkon wrote:
On June 19 2012 07:06 maartendq wrote:
On June 19 2012 07:04 masterchip27 wrote:
On June 19 2012 07:01 maartendq wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:53 Slardar wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:50 maartendq wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:43 GreyKnight wrote:
It's always amusing to read the opposing games forums cry in bewilderment how the other game doesn't make sense and they are confused why anyone would watch it

Wouldn't call it bewilderment. SC2 is very clear. A red army fighting a blue army, and the army that gets obliterated, loses. MOBA games like LoL and DOTA2 have heroes attacking seemingly random stuff, critters that randomly walk towards and attack towers. It's a lot less clear to non-insiders what's going on.

To be honest, I never played Brood War multiplayer, but it only took me a game or three on gomtv.net to have a general idea of what's going on, and by the 20th game I had a general grasp of the build orders the players were using.


You have to know what each individual hero does or is at least capable of to have some strategic grasp as well as a basic clue. (e.g. who is on what team?) Imagine watching Starcraft with no idea what the units did, all you can assume is one team shooting or attacking the other.

Give yourself time and a chance, if you learn the basics it will open up to you.

I watched Starcraft without much idea of what does what. I had played the campaign a few times, but I mainly started watching it because I once saw a documentary about Starcraft being a popular competitive video game in South Korea.

I had a great time watching practically all the games on gomtv.net, grew really fond of tasteless as a caster (I still am, even though Artosis drowns him out way too much and Tasteless' passion for Starcraft 2 isn't on the same level as his passion for BW). I found out very quickly how the game functioned. The premise was also very easy: destroy the other player's base.

Like you said, in a MOBA game you have to know each of the heroes, and there tend to be a lot. Next there's also the items, critters that randomly seem to attack towers (what's their function?), gold etc. There's a lot of stuff you cannot know unless you play the game yourself, or do a ton of research. That's not good for a spectator sport. Football, tennis, basketball, hell even american football are all sports that are relatively easy to understand for people who are new to them. The finesse unfolds if you watch it a lot. It's not something I see happening with MOBA games, a genre which I personally find a bastardization of the RTS genre (since you basically only have to control one unit).


Empirically league of legends has had a higher magnitude of livestream viewers than sc2 recently, at many events. So, I wouldn't be too sure about that theorycrafting. If a game is popular to play, and has a good competitive scene, people will watch.

Well, it's a free and relatively casual game, with in-game stream support (hint HINT, blizzard?). It's got a way higher playerbase than SC2 as well, again, because it is free to play. If SC2's multiplayer were suddenly F2P, we'd see SC2 player number surge!


No, we won't. SC 2 started off with a player base of 1 million+ players in the NA. It's a tiny fraction of that - around 10,000-20,000 by my last log in to the NA server - who play online ladder matches. Competitive RTS games aren't that attractive to casual players, and it's the casual players who make up the bulk of MOBA viewers.


Show nested quote +
MOBA


Please stop using this term.

It's fucking retarded.

-The Society of People Who Undestand What MOBA Stands For

Can you explain what it is then? First result on "MOBA" into google is a site about LoL strategy. Aren't LoL, DOTA, HoN etc. MOBAs?

I'm not trolling. Genuine question.
What a player
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
June 18 2012 22:15 GMT
#5907
On June 19 2012 07:13 TheSir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 07:13 Kahzaar wrote:
On June 19 2012 07:12 Xoronius wrote:
Can someone link the tv.stream again?

http://www.svtplay.se/live/137305/dreamhack-summer-2012


doesn't work for me? right only for .se

Only works within sweden. Time to fire up your swedish proxy.
Zheega
Profile Joined June 2011
Slovenia180 Posts
June 18 2012 22:15 GMT
#5908
We're at or even below ro4 viewer numbers?
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
June 18 2012 22:15 GMT
#5909
Bo5 too guys enjoy it being quite short mana will likely do all ins
Wheva
Profile Joined April 2011
United States13 Posts
June 18 2012 22:15 GMT
#5910
On June 19 2012 04:00 Gladiator MG wrote:
Why don't they just give force fields a decent amount of health like the Entomb ability on Oracles for HotS?

Cause zerg is imba already, immortal all ins are one of the few ways for protoss to beat zerg atm. The only real way to engage zerg is defensively because of the mass spine crawler walls in the mid to late game, the main weakness of the broodlord is that its slow, so shouldn't the protoss be able to just go for a base race without losing half its army to static defense? Yes there is the archon toliet but zergs can make tons of units in the mid game and make up for it by taking tons of bases at the same time, this also makes the protoss make tons of units to defend itself and use all their resources on the wrong tech to stop the zerg death ball in the late game, its a fundamental problem with zerg, that they can have a 200 pop army at the 12-15min mark and be able to expand like crazy off it at the same time. I would love to see just what taking the +bonus damage to armor away and an increase in the cost of the spine crawler (to maybe 150?) would do to the match-up, spine crawler walls are the stupidest thing in PvZ and need to go. If a zerg has their death ball, the protoss should be able to go for the base race and not just sit there and die. This will make the zerg make a decision, either go back and defend or go for the kill.
wheh-vuh as in whatever
pred470r
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Bulgaria3265 Posts
June 18 2012 22:15 GMT
#5911
On June 19 2012 07:14 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 07:14 mostevil wrote:
On June 19 2012 07:13 ZAiNs wrote:
On June 19 2012 07:12 Chronos. wrote:
I thought SC2 was on right after DOTA? Anyone know how much longer till it's on?

Dreamhack is waiting for the viewer count to drop below 35,000, then they will start the finals.

Bad news then, it's going up....

Yea, we might have to wait a while.

Don't worry, they are dropping down again.
FrogOfWar
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany1406 Posts
June 18 2012 22:15 GMT
#5912
On June 19 2012 07:13 MonkSEA wrote:
Just going to say the Dota 2 finals was so hard to watch as a person who has no idea about what the hell is happening or what the fuck the commentators were saying.

Makes me appreciate the noob friendly level tasteless likes to cast at.


The +1 upgrade makes Zealots kill Zerglings in 2 hits instead of 3!
snoop101
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada25 Posts
June 18 2012 22:15 GMT
#5913
They should at least have the commentators chatting to pass the time.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
June 18 2012 22:15 GMT
#5914
On June 19 2012 07:13 Scorch wrote:
Seriously, what are they doing right now? Didn't they have plenty of time to set up during the Dota finals?


How do you set up during the finals when they both share a stage...
Tonttu
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland606 Posts
June 18 2012 22:15 GMT
#5915
On June 19 2012 07:00 Vadrigar wrote:
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On June 19 2012 06:59 SeaSwift wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:53 Serinox wrote:


That's really cool


My god, I'm actually close to crying. I'm really tired, but it's just all these memories of DHW1 flooding back, and Naama and Mana battling it out.

Where did those days go... where did Naama go?

I want to see the SCV train again, I want to see the epic storms, I want to see the seige tanks in TvP.

<3 Naama, <3 Mana and <3 Dreamhack. :'(


Naama was/still is in Korea, right?


Naama has been back in Finland for like 2 months now. Been doing school etc.
Also heard he has some motivation issues because of current state of TvZ.
He's been under the radar though for a long time..
Naama, the #1 Conductor! | Slayers, Fnatic and Mouz | Naama, MMA and ForGG |
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
June 18 2012 22:15 GMT
#5916
On June 19 2012 07:13 MonkSEA wrote:
Just going to say the Dota 2 finals was so hard to watch as a person who has no idea about what the hell is happening or what the fuck the commentators were saying.

Makes me appreciate the noob friendly level tasteless likes to cast at.

That's exactly the reason for my skepticism for LoL or DotA being the flagship eSport titles. They just wont bring in new viewers. SC2, on the other hand...

+ Show Spoiler +
It's also the reason as to why DH considers SC2 their most important project, regardless of the stream viewer numbers
☆Grubby ☆| Tod|DeMusliM|ThorZaiN|SaSe|Moon|Mana| ☆HerO ☆
Sp00ly
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1546 Posts
June 18 2012 22:15 GMT
#5917
Wish people would stop complaining. We are all nerds here, aren't we meant to stay up till 3am due to videogames?
MentalGNT
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark1264 Posts
June 18 2012 22:16 GMT
#5918
On June 19 2012 07:12 Badfatpanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 07:07 sleepingdog wrote:
On June 19 2012 07:06 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On June 19 2012 07:05 Daxter wrote:
Past midnight finals start on weekday(even if it is summer) kind of sucks. It screws over any people who have to work the next day. At least it's not overlapping with football anymore.

its fucking 10am here ive been up all night to watch this, stop youre complaining @@


well dreamhack is supposed to be OUR thing, didn't you have like perfect schedule for MLG?

I missed basicly the whole MLG as well...


MLG events in Cali tend to screw over the east coast a bit. Fri and Sat ended at 2-3 am lol

Well it fucked EU viewers as well. The last MLG started at like 2 AM for me :D
What a player
ZeratuLsc2
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada426 Posts
June 18 2012 22:16 GMT
#5919
Is this the most disorganized tourney of all time?
Gevna
Profile Joined August 2010
France2332 Posts
June 18 2012 22:16 GMT
#5920
So american are not going to watch crappy eu tournament, with sub top players in final.
And european are going to bed.

there won't be lot of people watching the final of dream hack summer 2012.
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