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Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
May 06 2012 02:34 GMT
#61
Well that was bad on both sides. I get the feeling Ret was just playing around.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
May 06 2012 02:34 GMT
#62
I can't believe Cruncher is going to lose this game.

He lost 40 stalkers against the mutas in his main while his 1 archon jittered around behind them.....
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
May 06 2012 02:34 GMT
#63
Ret, you scared me there.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
May 06 2012 02:35 GMT
#64
Why dont they have a picture of ret? you would think liquid would have bunch to give them.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
amd098
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (North)1366 Posts
May 06 2012 02:35 GMT
#65
On May 06 2012 11:30 SafeAsCheese wrote:
No hive =/

Muta going to instantly die to archon storm if he doesn't get BLords...


ORLY?

ret just needs mutas, thats all!
North Korea is best Korea!
Fig
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1324 Posts
May 06 2012 02:36 GMT
#66
When you have that many phoenixes, you should never mess up enough to let your opponent switch back into muta. Phoenixes are meant to deter that.
Can't elope with my cantaloupe
the`postman
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1643 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-06 02:39:40
May 06 2012 02:38 GMT
#67
On May 06 2012 11:33 00Visor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 11:31 Dexington wrote:
Ret is playing this quite weird. Spending none of his money, only making Mutas. He has complete map control, why isn't he building bases everywhere?

+ getting owned by Phoenix early
+ and its pointless to have 90 drones on 3bases

Just a really poor game by both.

how is it pointless to have 90 drones on 3 bases?

It's the perfect amount.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
May 06 2012 02:40 GMT
#68
On May 06 2012 11:38 the`postman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 11:33 00Visor wrote:
On May 06 2012 11:31 Dexington wrote:
Ret is playing this quite weird. Spending none of his money, only making Mutas. He has complete map control, why isn't he building bases everywhere?

+ getting owned by Phoenix early
+ and its pointless to have 90 drones on 3bases

Just a really poor game by both.

how is it pointless to have 90 drones on 3 bases?


Pointless was a bad word for that situation, but it's definitely way too much. It's okay to have above saturation when you are preparing to take another base, but Ret was on 90+ without expanding for a few minutes.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
May 06 2012 02:41 GMT
#69
On May 06 2012 11:38 the`postman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 11:33 00Visor wrote:
On May 06 2012 11:31 Dexington wrote:
Ret is playing this quite weird. Spending none of his money, only making Mutas. He has complete map control, why isn't he building bases everywhere?

+ getting owned by Phoenix early
+ and its pointless to have 90 drones on 3bases

Just a really poor game by both.

how is it pointless to have 90 drones on 3 bases?

optimal saturation is 22 per base (2 per mineral, 3 per gas)
most pros these days don't go over that, especially zerg
just get a 4th quicker and than instantly poop out 20 additional drones
Hnnngg
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1101 Posts
May 06 2012 02:43 GMT
#70
Running pylon gonna become a running joke.
the`postman
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1643 Posts
May 06 2012 02:45 GMT
#71
On May 06 2012 11:41 00Visor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 11:38 the`postman wrote:
On May 06 2012 11:33 00Visor wrote:
On May 06 2012 11:31 Dexington wrote:
Ret is playing this quite weird. Spending none of his money, only making Mutas. He has complete map control, why isn't he building bases everywhere?

+ getting owned by Phoenix early
+ and its pointless to have 90 drones on 3bases

Just a really poor game by both.

how is it pointless to have 90 drones on 3 bases?

optimal saturation is 22 per base (2 per mineral, 3 per gas)
most pros these days don't go over that, especially zerg
just get a 4th quicker and than instantly poop out 20 additional drones

3 per mineral is fine though, if he took a fourth it would be pretty hard to hold at that time, he had no ground army. With 90 drones you have enough for spines and you have the maximum three base economy, it worked out perfectly for him.
amd098
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (North)1366 Posts
May 06 2012 02:48 GMT
#72
... it was the big dipper of overloads!
+ Show Spoiler +
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North Korea is best Korea!
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-06 02:52:13
May 06 2012 02:48 GMT
#73
200/200 vs 108/124

(-_-)
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
the`postman
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1643 Posts
May 06 2012 02:50 GMT
#74
On May 06 2012 11:48 tree.hugger wrote:
200/200 vs 108/124

(-_-)

and cruncher holds
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
May 06 2012 02:50 GMT
#75
cruncher holds !
Terran & Potato Salad.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
May 06 2012 02:51 GMT
#76
On May 06 2012 11:45 the`postman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 11:41 00Visor wrote:
On May 06 2012 11:38 the`postman wrote:
On May 06 2012 11:33 00Visor wrote:
On May 06 2012 11:31 Dexington wrote:
Ret is playing this quite weird. Spending none of his money, only making Mutas. He has complete map control, why isn't he building bases everywhere?

+ getting owned by Phoenix early
+ and its pointless to have 90 drones on 3bases

Just a really poor game by both.

how is it pointless to have 90 drones on 3 bases?

optimal saturation is 22 per base (2 per mineral, 3 per gas)
most pros these days don't go over that, especially zerg
just get a 4th quicker and than instantly poop out 20 additional drones

3 per mineral is fine though, if he took a fourth it would be pretty hard to hold at that time, he had no ground army. With 90 drones you have enough for spines and you have the maximum three base economy, it worked out perfectly for him.


It worked perfectly because he was playing Cruncher.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-06 02:53:05
May 06 2012 02:51 GMT
#77
On May 06 2012 11:45 the`postman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 11:41 00Visor wrote:
On May 06 2012 11:38 the`postman wrote:
On May 06 2012 11:33 00Visor wrote:
On May 06 2012 11:31 Dexington wrote:
Ret is playing this quite weird. Spending none of his money, only making Mutas. He has complete map control, why isn't he building bases everywhere?

+ getting owned by Phoenix early
+ and its pointless to have 90 drones on 3bases

Just a really poor game by both.

how is it pointless to have 90 drones on 3 bases?

optimal saturation is 22 per base (2 per mineral, 3 per gas)
most pros these days don't go over that, especially zerg
just get a 4th quicker and than instantly poop out 20 additional drones

3 per mineral is fine though, if he took a fourth it would be pretty hard to hold at that time, he had no ground army. With 90 drones you have enough for spines and you have the maximum three base economy, it worked out perfectly for him.

So if you have no army (and cant defend your first 3 bases), you produce even more drones who mine less efficiently? Just produce an army, take 4th, then produce the additional drones. Thats pretty easy with zerg mechanics.

On near patches, the efficiency of a 3rd drone is ~30%. On pro level that is not "fine".
Severian
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2052 Posts
May 06 2012 02:51 GMT
#78
Pretty ugly game. Just mass roaches and headbutt into the natural with almost no multitasking, no creep spread, no expanding, just keep mashing that R button and attack.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
May 06 2012 02:52 GMT
#79
On May 06 2012 11:48 tree.hugger wrote:
200/200 vs 108/124

(-_-)

Sick defense!

O_o
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
May 06 2012 02:54 GMT
#80
Jesus, every time Cruncher gets himself a huge advantage he just throws it away with terrible decision making. That hold was so brilliant! All he had to do was macro up and keep defending.
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