• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 18:04
CEST 00:04
KST 07:04
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
GSTL Returns in 2026!37Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out7RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-2212Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week0SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-611
StarCraft 2
General
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) GSTL Returns in 2026! SC4ALL: II Talent Announcement! Protoss AoE skill expression Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) 2026 GSTL Announcement Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) 2026 KungFu Cup Announcement
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 538 Media Blackout The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 537 Hostile Territory Mutation # 536 Railroad Switch
Brood War
General
Your past clans BW General Discussion BCA KCU A. YANI Telp:08218200233 ASL22 General Discussion BCA KCU BANDUNG Tlp:08218154374
Tourneys
CSLAN 4 is Coming! Small VOD Thread 2.0 Escore Tournament - Season 3 BSL LAN Party - Kraków 29-30 August - OPEN SIGNUPS
Strategy
Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates Any training maps people recommend? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Anyone here play Quakeworld back in the day? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread The Letting Off Steam Thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Chinese Gen Z: Between Dream…
TrAiDoS
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Hello guys!
LIN1s
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6124 users

[NASL] Week 4 Division 4 - Page 5

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Next All
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
May 06 2012 02:54 GMT
#81
4th still not saturated. Ret bashing his head into perhaps the perfect anti-roach army. ;_;
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Bayyne
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1967 Posts
May 06 2012 02:56 GMT
#82
Ret is just too good over Cruncher.
Remember not only to say the right thing in the right place, but far more difficult still, to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
ObliviousNA
Profile Joined March 2011
United States535 Posts
May 06 2012 02:56 GMT
#83
As a protoss player... incredibly frustrating to watch.
Theory is when you know everything but nothing works. Practice is when everything works but no one knows why. In our lab, theory and practice are combined: nothing works and no one knows why.
the`postman
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1643 Posts
May 06 2012 02:57 GMT
#84
On May 06 2012 11:51 00Visor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 11:45 the`postman wrote:
On May 06 2012 11:41 00Visor wrote:
On May 06 2012 11:38 the`postman wrote:
On May 06 2012 11:33 00Visor wrote:
On May 06 2012 11:31 Dexington wrote:
Ret is playing this quite weird. Spending none of his money, only making Mutas. He has complete map control, why isn't he building bases everywhere?

+ getting owned by Phoenix early
+ and its pointless to have 90 drones on 3bases

Just a really poor game by both.

how is it pointless to have 90 drones on 3 bases?

optimal saturation is 22 per base (2 per mineral, 3 per gas)
most pros these days don't go over that, especially zerg
just get a 4th quicker and than instantly poop out 20 additional drones

3 per mineral is fine though, if he took a fourth it would be pretty hard to hold at that time, he had no ground army. With 90 drones you have enough for spines and you have the maximum three base economy, it worked out perfectly for him.

So if you have no army (and cant defend your first 3 bases), you produce even more drones who mine less efficiently? Just produce an army, take 4th, then produce the additional drones. Thats pretty easy with zerg mechanics.

On near patches, the efficiency of a 3rd drone is ~30%. On pro level that is not "fine".

It even out to about 20 minerals/minute for the third drone so they pay for themselves in 2.5 minutes. That's not bad, especially when he knew he would need them for spine crawlers.

I'm not going to theory craft the entire game to see what else could have happened there, but 90 drones worked out fine for him, people exaggerate how bad it is to go over 2/patch.
ibo422
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium2844 Posts
May 06 2012 03:01 GMT
#85
did alive - idra played yet?
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
May 06 2012 03:03 GMT
#86
On May 06 2012 11:57 the`postman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 11:51 00Visor wrote:
On May 06 2012 11:45 the`postman wrote:
On May 06 2012 11:41 00Visor wrote:
On May 06 2012 11:38 the`postman wrote:
On May 06 2012 11:33 00Visor wrote:
On May 06 2012 11:31 Dexington wrote:
Ret is playing this quite weird. Spending none of his money, only making Mutas. He has complete map control, why isn't he building bases everywhere?

+ getting owned by Phoenix early
+ and its pointless to have 90 drones on 3bases

Just a really poor game by both.

how is it pointless to have 90 drones on 3 bases?

optimal saturation is 22 per base (2 per mineral, 3 per gas)
most pros these days don't go over that, especially zerg
just get a 4th quicker and than instantly poop out 20 additional drones

3 per mineral is fine though, if he took a fourth it would be pretty hard to hold at that time, he had no ground army. With 90 drones you have enough for spines and you have the maximum three base economy, it worked out perfectly for him.

So if you have no army (and cant defend your first 3 bases), you produce even more drones who mine less efficiently? Just produce an army, take 4th, then produce the additional drones. Thats pretty easy with zerg mechanics.

On near patches, the efficiency of a 3rd drone is ~30%. On pro level that is not "fine".

It even out to about 20 minerals/minute for the third drone so they pay for themselves in 2.5 minutes. That's not bad, especially when he knew he would need them for spine crawlers.

I'm not going to theory craft the entire game to see what else could have happened there, but 90 drones worked out fine for him, people exaggerate how bad it is to go over 2/patch.

I know the numbers. Its ok to get 3 workers on far patches.
Zergs have to decide all the time between producing workers and army. There it was between "30% worker" and army. I clearly disagree with the decision there.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
May 06 2012 03:05 GMT
#87
Ha, Thorzain getting punished for his greedy play.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Weird
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States832 Posts
May 06 2012 03:05 GMT
#88
Lol sick baneling!!!
xrapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1644 Posts
May 06 2012 03:05 GMT
#89
Thorzain outcheesed
Everyone is either delusional, a nihlilst, or dead from suicide.
MrCash
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1504 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-06 03:06:11
May 06 2012 03:05 GMT
#90
I missed it, what happened?
edit - Ok, replay explains it all.
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
May 06 2012 03:05 GMT
#91
On May 06 2012 12:01 ibo422 wrote:
did alive - idra played yet?

Nope
Severian
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2052 Posts
May 06 2012 03:05 GMT
#92
Well... that's some blind play right there.
Slike
Profile Joined April 2011
Greece127 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-06 03:05:31
May 06 2012 03:05 GMT
#93
Hahahaha I love thorzain but seriously , lowely is pure gold - so random :D
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9647 Posts
May 06 2012 03:05 GMT
#94
oh come on thorzain i wanted to see all the scvs die.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Fighter
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1531 Posts
May 06 2012 03:05 GMT
#95
Ha Lowely is so underrated!
For Aiur???
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
May 06 2012 03:05 GMT
#96
LOL I love Lowely! He certainly has his own style.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
BathTubNZ
Profile Joined December 2011
New Zealand2556 Posts
May 06 2012 03:05 GMT
#97
Wow, crazy, guess that's the definition of greedy builds.
compucomp
Profile Joined July 2011
United States98 Posts
May 06 2012 03:06 GMT
#98
I can't believe this 14 drone 1 base baneling bust worked, I use it at the platinum level and its success rate is not great. One bunker stops this rush.
Antithesis
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1260 Posts
May 06 2012 03:06 GMT
#99
That was unfortunate for Throzain.
Mutation complete.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-06 03:09:59
May 06 2012 03:08 GMT
#100
On May 06 2012 12:06 compucomp wrote:
I can't believe this 14 drone 1 base baneling bust worked, I use it at the platinum level and its success rate is not great. One bunker stops this rush.


Lowely probably studied Thorzain's play and knew he likes to do that greedy 3CC build on Tal'Darim. Thorzain played foolishly, didn't even scout his opponent's position.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
IPSL
16:00
CSLAN Day 1
Airneanach352
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech92
FoxeR 40
StarCraft: Brood War
Bale 9
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm125
League of Legends
Doublelift5738
JimRising 314
Counter-Strike
summit1g7163
minikerr36
Heroes of the Storm
Trikslyr43
Other Games
gofns16022
Grubby2221
Beastyqt436
Liquid`Hasu233
Mew2King119
RotterdaM95
Livibee74
ViBE40
Chillindude39
KnowMe36
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1079
BasetradeTV222
angryscii21
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• musti20045 42
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki56
• HerbMon 6
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• Shiphtur251
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
11h 56m
PiG Sty Festival
13h 56m
Maru vs Shameless
Reynor vs TriGGeR
IPSL
17h 56m
OSC
1d 1h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 11h
Rush vs Hm
Bisu vs Shuttle
WardiTV Weekly
1d 12h
The Patches Monday
1d 17h
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Sharp vs Shinee
Action vs Shine
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
BeSt vs Paralyze
Jaedong vs Speed
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
KCM Race Survival
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
PiG Sty Festival
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
PiG Sty Festival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S3: W7
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
Acropolis #5
CSLAN 4
RSL Revival: Season 6
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
META DYMY #4
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

ASL Season 22
Escore Tournament S3: W8
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.