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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
May 06 2012 02:54 GMT
#81
4th still not saturated. Ret bashing his head into perhaps the perfect anti-roach army. ;_;
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Bayyne
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1967 Posts
May 06 2012 02:56 GMT
#82
Ret is just too good over Cruncher.
Remember not only to say the right thing in the right place, but far more difficult still, to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
ObliviousNA
Profile Joined March 2011
United States535 Posts
May 06 2012 02:56 GMT
#83
As a protoss player... incredibly frustrating to watch.
Theory is when you know everything but nothing works. Practice is when everything works but no one knows why. In our lab, theory and practice are combined: nothing works and no one knows why.
the`postman
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1643 Posts
May 06 2012 02:57 GMT
#84
On May 06 2012 11:51 00Visor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 11:45 the`postman wrote:
On May 06 2012 11:41 00Visor wrote:
On May 06 2012 11:38 the`postman wrote:
On May 06 2012 11:33 00Visor wrote:
On May 06 2012 11:31 Dexington wrote:
Ret is playing this quite weird. Spending none of his money, only making Mutas. He has complete map control, why isn't he building bases everywhere?

+ getting owned by Phoenix early
+ and its pointless to have 90 drones on 3bases

Just a really poor game by both.

how is it pointless to have 90 drones on 3 bases?

optimal saturation is 22 per base (2 per mineral, 3 per gas)
most pros these days don't go over that, especially zerg
just get a 4th quicker and than instantly poop out 20 additional drones

3 per mineral is fine though, if he took a fourth it would be pretty hard to hold at that time, he had no ground army. With 90 drones you have enough for spines and you have the maximum three base economy, it worked out perfectly for him.

So if you have no army (and cant defend your first 3 bases), you produce even more drones who mine less efficiently? Just produce an army, take 4th, then produce the additional drones. Thats pretty easy with zerg mechanics.

On near patches, the efficiency of a 3rd drone is ~30%. On pro level that is not "fine".

It even out to about 20 minerals/minute for the third drone so they pay for themselves in 2.5 minutes. That's not bad, especially when he knew he would need them for spine crawlers.

I'm not going to theory craft the entire game to see what else could have happened there, but 90 drones worked out fine for him, people exaggerate how bad it is to go over 2/patch.
ibo422
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium2844 Posts
May 06 2012 03:01 GMT
#85
did alive - idra played yet?
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
May 06 2012 03:03 GMT
#86
On May 06 2012 11:57 the`postman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 11:51 00Visor wrote:
On May 06 2012 11:45 the`postman wrote:
On May 06 2012 11:41 00Visor wrote:
On May 06 2012 11:38 the`postman wrote:
On May 06 2012 11:33 00Visor wrote:
On May 06 2012 11:31 Dexington wrote:
Ret is playing this quite weird. Spending none of his money, only making Mutas. He has complete map control, why isn't he building bases everywhere?

+ getting owned by Phoenix early
+ and its pointless to have 90 drones on 3bases

Just a really poor game by both.

how is it pointless to have 90 drones on 3 bases?

optimal saturation is 22 per base (2 per mineral, 3 per gas)
most pros these days don't go over that, especially zerg
just get a 4th quicker and than instantly poop out 20 additional drones

3 per mineral is fine though, if he took a fourth it would be pretty hard to hold at that time, he had no ground army. With 90 drones you have enough for spines and you have the maximum three base economy, it worked out perfectly for him.

So if you have no army (and cant defend your first 3 bases), you produce even more drones who mine less efficiently? Just produce an army, take 4th, then produce the additional drones. Thats pretty easy with zerg mechanics.

On near patches, the efficiency of a 3rd drone is ~30%. On pro level that is not "fine".

It even out to about 20 minerals/minute for the third drone so they pay for themselves in 2.5 minutes. That's not bad, especially when he knew he would need them for spine crawlers.

I'm not going to theory craft the entire game to see what else could have happened there, but 90 drones worked out fine for him, people exaggerate how bad it is to go over 2/patch.

I know the numbers. Its ok to get 3 workers on far patches.
Zergs have to decide all the time between producing workers and army. There it was between "30% worker" and army. I clearly disagree with the decision there.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
May 06 2012 03:05 GMT
#87
Ha, Thorzain getting punished for his greedy play.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Weird
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States832 Posts
May 06 2012 03:05 GMT
#88
Lol sick baneling!!!
xrapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1644 Posts
May 06 2012 03:05 GMT
#89
Thorzain outcheesed
Everyone is either delusional, a nihlilst, or dead from suicide.
MrCash
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1504 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-06 03:06:11
May 06 2012 03:05 GMT
#90
I missed it, what happened?
edit - Ok, replay explains it all.
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
May 06 2012 03:05 GMT
#91
On May 06 2012 12:01 ibo422 wrote:
did alive - idra played yet?

Nope
Severian
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2052 Posts
May 06 2012 03:05 GMT
#92
Well... that's some blind play right there.
Slike
Profile Joined April 2011
Greece127 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-06 03:05:31
May 06 2012 03:05 GMT
#93
Hahahaha I love thorzain but seriously , lowely is pure gold - so random :D
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
May 06 2012 03:05 GMT
#94
oh come on thorzain i wanted to see all the scvs die.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Fighter
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1531 Posts
May 06 2012 03:05 GMT
#95
Ha Lowely is so underrated!
For Aiur???
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
May 06 2012 03:05 GMT
#96
LOL I love Lowely! He certainly has his own style.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
BathTubNZ
Profile Joined December 2011
New Zealand2556 Posts
May 06 2012 03:05 GMT
#97
Wow, crazy, guess that's the definition of greedy builds.
compucomp
Profile Joined July 2011
United States98 Posts
May 06 2012 03:06 GMT
#98
I can't believe this 14 drone 1 base baneling bust worked, I use it at the platinum level and its success rate is not great. One bunker stops this rush.
Antithesis
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1273 Posts
May 06 2012 03:06 GMT
#99
That was unfortunate for Throzain.
Mutation complete.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-06 03:09:59
May 06 2012 03:08 GMT
#100
On May 06 2012 12:06 compucomp wrote:
I can't believe this 14 drone 1 base baneling bust worked, I use it at the platinum level and its success rate is not great. One bunker stops this rush.


Lowely probably studied Thorzain's play and knew he likes to do that greedy 3CC build on Tal'Darim. Thorzain played foolishly, didn't even scout his opponent's position.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
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