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3 protoss, one terran... Come on MVP! Give us terrans some hope.
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On May 03 2012 22:59 vthree wrote:Show nested quote + the hell do people like you just pull information out of your ass?
Number of GSL's where terran have been the most represented race in the RO8 = 5
Number of GSL's where protoss have been the most represented race in the RO8 = 2
Number of GSL's where both have been equal = 2 Either you have reading comprehension problems or you can't count. First of all, I said more P than T, not most represented. I can give you 4 seasons without checking... March, July, Season 1 and 2 this year... So maybe you should check Your own ass before talking out of it
Stats for those that can't be bothered to LP:
S2: P>T 5-3
S1: P>T 4-3
Nov: T>P 6-0
Oct: T>P 6-0
Aug: T>P 5-2
July: P>T 3-2
Super: T>P 6-1
May: T=P 3-3
World: P>T 4-2
March: P>T 4-3
January: T>P 4-2
Summary:
2011-2012:
Terran dominated has more in quarter finals: 5
Protoss dominated has more in quarter finals: 5
Ties: 1
Edit: Forgot august. Anyone want to triple check the figures?
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On May 03 2012 23:16 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 22:59 vthree wrote: the hell do people like you just pull information out of your ass?
Number of GSL's where terran have been the most represented race in the RO8 = 5
Number of GSL's where protoss have been the most represented race in the RO8 = 2
Number of GSL's where both have been equal = 2 Either you have reading comprehension problems or you can't count. First of all, I said more P than T, not most represented. I can give you 4 seasons without checking... March, July, Season 1 and 2 this year... So maybe you should check Your own ass before talking out of it Stats for those that can't be bothered to LP: S2: P>T 5-3 S1: P>T 4-3 Nov: T>P 6-0 Oct: T>P 6-0 July: P>T 3-2 Super: T>P 6-1 May: T=P 3-3 World: P>T 4-2 March: P>T 4-3 January: T>P 4-2 Summary: 2011-2012: Terran dominated quarter finals: 4 Protoss dominated quarter finals: 5 Ties: 1
Dominated? Look at those stats yourself lol.
The seasons Protoss had more is mostly 1-2 more
Terran seasons however is what you call dominate.. 6-0 6-0 6-1
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On May 03 2012 23:16 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 22:59 vthree wrote: the hell do people like you just pull information out of your ass?
Number of GSL's where terran have been the most represented race in the RO8 = 5
Number of GSL's where protoss have been the most represented race in the RO8 = 2
Number of GSL's where both have been equal = 2 Either you have reading comprehension problems or you can't count. First of all, I said more P than T, not most represented. I can give you 4 seasons without checking... March, July, Season 1 and 2 this year... So maybe you should check Your own ass before talking out of it Stats for those that can't be bothered to LP: S2: P>T 5-3 S1: P>T 4-3 Nov: T>P 6-0 Oct: T>P 6-0 July: P>T 3-2 Super: T>P 6-1 May: T=P 3-3 World: P>T 4-2 March: P>T 4-3 January: T>P 4-2 Summary: 2011-2012: Terran dominated quarter finals: 4 Protoss dominated quarter finals: 5 Ties: 1
lol oh man this is good stuff.
Here's to hoping Mvp wins it all and returns to his former self.
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On May 03 2012 23:18 power-overwhelming wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 23:16 Ghanburighan wrote:On May 03 2012 22:59 vthree wrote: the hell do people like you just pull information out of your ass?
Number of GSL's where terran have been the most represented race in the RO8 = 5
Number of GSL's where protoss have been the most represented race in the RO8 = 2
Number of GSL's where both have been equal = 2 Either you have reading comprehension problems or you can't count. First of all, I said more P than T, not most represented. I can give you 4 seasons without checking... March, July, Season 1 and 2 this year... So maybe you should check Your own ass before talking out of it Stats for those that can't be bothered to LP: S2: P>T 5-3 S1: P>T 4-3 Nov: T>P 6-0 Oct: T>P 6-0 July: P>T 3-2 Super: T>P 6-1 May: T=P 3-3 World: P>T 4-2 March: P>T 4-3 January: T>P 4-2 Summary: 2011-2012: Terran dominated quarter finals: 4 Protoss dominated quarter finals: 5 Ties: 1 Dominated? Look at those stats yourself lol. The seasons Protoss had more is mostly 1-2 more Terran seasons however is what you call dominate.. 6-0 6-0 6-1
Oi, don't shoot the messanger. All I was doing was counting for you guys. Dominate means what it means in math, P dominates T iff P>T.
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I already said terrans have been most dominant. I am just pointing out this isn't the FIRST season in which Ps are doing well.
Also, aug was left out and it was 5T > 2P.
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I just don't get the whine balance. Why can't people realize that the only reason P is strong is because MC is not the only good Protoss now and that all these Terrans have only been fighting other Terrans and Zergs the past 6 seasons.
It's really ironic how when Terrans were dominating since the start of SC2 it was because "best players play Terran" but in this one season Protoss does well it's automatically imbalance lol.
All the Protoss who advanced are godly at PvTs.. even Naniwa. If MVP did not cheese him out Naniwa would've advanced and would be a RO4 protoss. Similar to the Super Tournament when it was all Terrans.
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On May 03 2012 23:20 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 23:18 power-overwhelming wrote:On May 03 2012 23:16 Ghanburighan wrote:On May 03 2012 22:59 vthree wrote: the hell do people like you just pull information out of your ass?
Number of GSL's where terran have been the most represented race in the RO8 = 5
Number of GSL's where protoss have been the most represented race in the RO8 = 2
Number of GSL's where both have been equal = 2 Either you have reading comprehension problems or you can't count. First of all, I said more P than T, not most represented. I can give you 4 seasons without checking... March, July, Season 1 and 2 this year... So maybe you should check Your own ass before talking out of it Stats for those that can't be bothered to LP: S2: P>T 5-3 S1: P>T 4-3 Nov: T>P 6-0 Oct: T>P 6-0 July: P>T 3-2 Super: T>P 6-1 May: T=P 3-3 World: P>T 4-2 March: P>T 4-3 January: T>P 4-2 Summary: 2011-2012: Terran dominated quarter finals: 4 Protoss dominated quarter finals: 5 Ties: 1 Dominated? Look at those stats yourself lol. The seasons Protoss had more is mostly 1-2 more Terran seasons however is what you call dominate.. 6-0 6-0 6-1 Oi, don't shoot the messanger. All I was doing was counting for you guys. Dominate means what it means in math, P dominates T iff P>T.
Biased post is biased. You stopped at January for some reason... why? Include the 3 Open Seasons as well if you will. Besides, please count the number of Terran quarterfinalists, semi-finalists, finalists, and champions, and compare them to Protoss ones. I dare you  .
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On May 03 2012 23:20 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 23:18 power-overwhelming wrote:On May 03 2012 23:16 Ghanburighan wrote:On May 03 2012 22:59 vthree wrote: the hell do people like you just pull information out of your ass?
Number of GSL's where terran have been the most represented race in the RO8 = 5
Number of GSL's where protoss have been the most represented race in the RO8 = 2
Number of GSL's where both have been equal = 2 Either you have reading comprehension problems or you can't count. First of all, I said more P than T, not most represented. I can give you 4 seasons without checking... March, July, Season 1 and 2 this year... So maybe you should check Your own ass before talking out of it Stats for those that can't be bothered to LP: S2: P>T 5-3 S1: P>T 4-3 Nov: T>P 6-0 Oct: T>P 6-0 July: P>T 3-2 Super: T>P 6-1 May: T=P 3-3 World: P>T 4-2 March: P>T 4-3 January: T>P 4-2 Summary: 2011-2012: Terran dominated quarter finals: 4 Protoss dominated quarter finals: 5 Ties: 1 Dominated? Look at those stats yourself lol. The seasons Protoss had more is mostly 1-2 more Terran seasons however is what you call dominate.. 6-0 6-0 6-1 Oi, don't shoot the messanger. All I was doing was counting for you guys. Dominate means what it means in math, P dominates T iff P>T.
Mere semantics... but "win" and "dominate" is not the same. math should be ok with that.
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On May 03 2012 23:20 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 23:18 power-overwhelming wrote:On May 03 2012 23:16 Ghanburighan wrote:On May 03 2012 22:59 vthree wrote: the hell do people like you just pull information out of your ass?
Number of GSL's where terran have been the most represented race in the RO8 = 5
Number of GSL's where protoss have been the most represented race in the RO8 = 2
Number of GSL's where both have been equal = 2 Either you have reading comprehension problems or you can't count. First of all, I said more P than T, not most represented. I can give you 4 seasons without checking... March, July, Season 1 and 2 this year... So maybe you should check Your own ass before talking out of it Stats for those that can't be bothered to LP: S2: P>T 5-3 S1: P>T 4-3 Nov: T>P 6-0 Oct: T>P 6-0 July: P>T 3-2 Super: T>P 6-1 May: T=P 3-3 World: P>T 4-2 March: P>T 4-3 January: T>P 4-2 Summary: 2011-2012: Terran dominated quarter finals: 4 Protoss dominated quarter finals: 5 Ties: 1 Dominated? Look at those stats yourself lol. The seasons Protoss had more is mostly 1-2 more Terran seasons however is what you call dominate.. 6-0 6-0 6-1 Oi, don't shoot the messanger. All I was doing was counting for you guys. Dominate means what it means in math, P dominates T iff P>T.
There's a big difference when there's a season where there are 2 T and 3 P in the quarters and when there's 6 T 0 P. LOL.
Anyway, this is the season of the protoss it seems and both T's played pretty poorly today.
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On May 03 2012 23:25 Asvhald wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 23:20 Ghanburighan wrote:On May 03 2012 23:18 power-overwhelming wrote:On May 03 2012 23:16 Ghanburighan wrote:On May 03 2012 22:59 vthree wrote: the hell do people like you just pull information out of your ass?
Number of GSL's where terran have been the most represented race in the RO8 = 5
Number of GSL's where protoss have been the most represented race in the RO8 = 2
Number of GSL's where both have been equal = 2 Either you have reading comprehension problems or you can't count. First of all, I said more P than T, not most represented. I can give you 4 seasons without checking... March, July, Season 1 and 2 this year... So maybe you should check Your own ass before talking out of it Stats for those that can't be bothered to LP: S2: P>T 5-3 S1: P>T 4-3 Nov: T>P 6-0 Oct: T>P 6-0 July: P>T 3-2 Super: T>P 6-1 May: T=P 3-3 World: P>T 4-2 March: P>T 4-3 January: T>P 4-2 Summary: 2011-2012: Terran dominated quarter finals: 4 Protoss dominated quarter finals: 5 Ties: 1 Dominated? Look at those stats yourself lol. The seasons Protoss had more is mostly 1-2 more Terran seasons however is what you call dominate.. 6-0 6-0 6-1 Oi, don't shoot the messanger. All I was doing was counting for you guys. Dominate means what it means in math, P dominates T iff P>T. Biased post is biased. You stopped at January for some reason... why? Include the 3 Open Seasons as well if you will. Besides, please count the number of Terran quarterfinalists, semi-finalists, finalists, and champions, and compare them to Protoss ones. I dare you .
How about you do the counting yourself and help out  I wasn't even part of the discussion, but seeing numbers just thrown out there I thought I'd do the work. That's like 20 minutes of copy-paste that you just asked me to do
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On May 03 2012 23:24 vthree wrote:
I already said terrans have been most dominant. I am just pointing out this isn't the FIRST season in which Ps are doing well.
Also, aug was left out and it was 5T > 2P.
So I did, edited. Any other seasons I missed? Check check, double check.
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So here it comes, PvP finals, yaaaay! :-)
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Squirtle is nuts. Squirtle to GSL fianls!
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On May 03 2012 23:28 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 23:25 Asvhald wrote:On May 03 2012 23:20 Ghanburighan wrote:On May 03 2012 23:18 power-overwhelming wrote:On May 03 2012 23:16 Ghanburighan wrote:On May 03 2012 22:59 vthree wrote: the hell do people like you just pull information out of your ass?
Number of GSL's where terran have been the most represented race in the RO8 = 5
Number of GSL's where protoss have been the most represented race in the RO8 = 2
Number of GSL's where both have been equal = 2 Either you have reading comprehension problems or you can't count. First of all, I said more P than T, not most represented. I can give you 4 seasons without checking... March, July, Season 1 and 2 this year... So maybe you should check Your own ass before talking out of it Stats for those that can't be bothered to LP: S2: P>T 5-3 S1: P>T 4-3 Nov: T>P 6-0 Oct: T>P 6-0 July: P>T 3-2 Super: T>P 6-1 May: T=P 3-3 World: P>T 4-2 March: P>T 4-3 January: T>P 4-2 Summary: 2011-2012: Terran dominated quarter finals: 4 Protoss dominated quarter finals: 5 Ties: 1 Dominated? Look at those stats yourself lol. The seasons Protoss had more is mostly 1-2 more Terran seasons however is what you call dominate.. 6-0 6-0 6-1 Oi, don't shoot the messanger. All I was doing was counting for you guys. Dominate means what it means in math, P dominates T iff P>T. Biased post is biased. You stopped at January for some reason... why? Include the 3 Open Seasons as well if you will. Besides, please count the number of Terran quarterfinalists, semi-finalists, finalists, and champions, and compare them to Protoss ones. I dare you . How about you do the counting yourself and help out I wasn't even part of the discussion, but seeing numbers just thrown out there I thought I'd do the work. That's like 20 minutes of copy-paste that you just asked me to do
Would have done it myself but I don't have (at this precise moment) the time to do so. I already know the general shape of the numbers, it was mostly a rhetorical challenge .
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I love Parting but please win MVP so we don't have a PvP final.
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On May 03 2012 23:20 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 23:18 power-overwhelming wrote:On May 03 2012 23:16 Ghanburighan wrote:On May 03 2012 22:59 vthree wrote: the hell do people like you just pull information out of your ass?
Number of GSL's where terran have been the most represented race in the RO8 = 5
Number of GSL's where protoss have been the most represented race in the RO8 = 2
Number of GSL's where both have been equal = 2 Either you have reading comprehension problems or you can't count. First of all, I said more P than T, not most represented. I can give you 4 seasons without checking... March, July, Season 1 and 2 this year... So maybe you should check Your own ass before talking out of it Stats for those that can't be bothered to LP: S2: P>T 5-3 S1: P>T 4-3 Nov: T>P 6-0 Oct: T>P 6-0 July: P>T 3-2 Super: T>P 6-1 May: T=P 3-3 World: P>T 4-2 March: P>T 4-3 January: T>P 4-2 Summary: 2011-2012: Terran dominated quarter finals: 4 Protoss dominated quarter finals: 5 Ties: 1 Dominated? Look at those stats yourself lol. The seasons Protoss had more is mostly 1-2 more Terran seasons however is what you call dominate.. 6-0 6-0 6-1 Oi, don't shoot the messanger. All I was doing was counting for you guys. Dominate means what it means in math, P dominates T iff P>T.
Lol that has nothing to do with what dominance means in mathematics, this is just a simple < > relationship.
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On May 03 2012 20:40 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 20:37 Ktk wrote:On May 03 2012 20:33 HolyArrow wrote:On May 03 2012 20:24 SolidMustard wrote:On May 03 2012 20:18 HolyArrow wrote:On May 03 2012 20:16 SolidMustard wrote:On May 03 2012 20:12 HolyArrow wrote:On May 03 2012 20:10 SolidMustard wrote:On May 03 2012 20:04 CursivE wrote:
I love how when MKP or MVP win it's because they are beasts (which they are) but when Toss wins it's all thinly veiled balance whine. HerO and Squirtle are both in boss mode lately, it's got little to do with balance. Dude... Hero and Squirtle are good, but look at the whole picture of this season of Code S : - Ro32: 7/10 protoss make it through vs. 7/15 for terran - Ro16: 5/7 protoss vs. 3/7 terran with a protoss taking first place in all groups - Ro8: all protoss win except Naniwa who played against the most successful player in the history of sc2 and GSL. That doesn't mean all these protoss players are unskilled or don't deserve, but it's being blind to affirm there is not a balance problem. (And I don't even mention the misery that is zerg right now) Then explain to me this: Edit: Whoops, wrong stat. Let's try this again. http://www.gomtv.net/records/index.gom?searchType=3&race=T&vsrace=P&season=2012&leaguetype=20&leagueid=27062&gamever=0&mapid=0 I'm (obviously) talking about the current state of the game. What happened with different patches and different metagames is entirely irrelevant to consider current balance. The recent Code S seasons, on the other end, are THE most relevant data. Yeah, man. The updated stats are THIS season of the GSL. The set score is pretty even, and it wouldn't be if it wasn't for the Code A matches (which I consider less relevant than code S) Also, watch for season 1 : 60% set wins for Protoss vs T http://www.gomtv.net/records/index.gom?searchType=3&race=P&vsrace=T&season=2012&leaguetype=20&leagueid=27060&gamever=1.4.3&mapid=0So, please... Why should Code A be less relevant than Code S, though? I mean, I agree that it's a bit less relevant, but it's still the GSL. I fail to see what the problem is if there are about 6-7 tip-top Protoss players looking extremely strong while a ton of weaker Tosses fall in Code A, which is, I might add, still a ridiculously high-level tournament. Oh, and you might want to take a closer look at what you linked before you talk about stats. I'll let you figure out your mistake. Here's a big hint http://www.gomtv.net/records/index.gom?searchType=3&race=P&vsrace=T&season=2012&leaguetype=20&leagueid=27060&gamever=1.4.2&mapid=0 Check out the maps on your own stats. Top 3 for Terran are: Calm before the storm 4-0 Crossfire 7-2 TDA 2-1 Top 3 for Protoss are Daybreak 72.2%( 13 W / 5 L ) Metropolis 66.7%( 6 W / 3 L ) ESV_Cloud Kingdom 57.1%( 4 W / 3 L ) You can see all the Terran favored maps are phased out meaning those are legacy wins. They don't really win like that anymore. Uhhh... you can talk about maps all you want, but the fact is that the winrates are still near 50-50 in PvT. -_-;;
yup but the MU is still pretty broken. Just cause the winratios are even doesnt mean its a good MU. Balanced in wins/losses sure but if you check winratios for earlygame / lategame I guarantuee you get a different picture. Having different periods of unbalance in a MU doesnt make it a good one even if it evens out. I would definatly prefer seeing a decently even balance in all periods and as of the current metagame protoss is way way way favoured lategame. Their army is just so much more forgiving towards apm. 3different attack locations with chargelots require the terran to micro on all 3 to be even close to cost effecient, this is not the case for the protoss at all. And earlygame one missed forcefield can loose the game completly for the protoss due to MMM being extremly effecient vs lowtech gw units. It just aint entertaining when it all comes down to (well, not all the time but often) one race desperatly trying to hinder the other one from teching one way or another to avoid lategame.
I cant personally remember more then a handful of TvPs were the terran won after both got maxed and thats just not fun to watch. And I do watch a ton of starcraft.
Even so, blizzard need to not change to much yet. They are most often way to quick in nerfing stuff that might get figured out anyways. Lets take 5rax reaper for one. Sure, everyone was doing it on ladder for a while but personally I stopped losing to it ever (high diamond season 1) long before the nerfs came. Not saying the nerf wasnt needed but I feel it was premature anyways.
and lets not forget maps, maps play a huuuuge role, maybe the current pool simply is very protoss favoured TvP.
TLDR. MU not imbalanced overall, segments seem pretty imbalanced though, metagame/maps might fix it so lets wait and see.
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damnnn both terran got 3-0ed. i expected hero and squirtle to win but not 3-0 lol
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On May 03 2012 23:51 See.Blue wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 23:20 Ghanburighan wrote:On May 03 2012 23:18 power-overwhelming wrote:On May 03 2012 23:16 Ghanburighan wrote:On May 03 2012 22:59 vthree wrote: the hell do people like you just pull information out of your ass?
Number of GSL's where terran have been the most represented race in the RO8 = 5
Number of GSL's where protoss have been the most represented race in the RO8 = 2
Number of GSL's where both have been equal = 2 Either you have reading comprehension problems or you can't count. First of all, I said more P than T, not most represented. I can give you 4 seasons without checking... March, July, Season 1 and 2 this year... So maybe you should check Your own ass before talking out of it Stats for those that can't be bothered to LP: S2: P>T 5-3 S1: P>T 4-3 Nov: T>P 6-0 Oct: T>P 6-0 July: P>T 3-2 Super: T>P 6-1 May: T=P 3-3 World: P>T 4-2 March: P>T 4-3 January: T>P 4-2 Summary: 2011-2012: Terran dominated quarter finals: 4 Protoss dominated quarter finals: 5 Ties: 1 Dominated? Look at those stats yourself lol. The seasons Protoss had more is mostly 1-2 more Terran seasons however is what you call dominate.. 6-0 6-0 6-1 Oi, don't shoot the messanger. All I was doing was counting for you guys. Dominate means what it means in math, P dominates T iff P>T. Lol that has nothing to do with what dominance means in mathematics, this is just a simple < > relationship.
Wolfram Alpha: "http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Dominance.html", and now think of the T >/</= pairs as two singleton sets... One set dominates the other if all members, ie. the one member, are greater than the other.
Furthermore, you clearly understood what I meant, and that all I meant was "a simple >" relation, so what's your problem, exactly???
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