• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 20:12
CEST 02:12
KST 09:12
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru3BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview27Code S RO12 Preview: GuMiho, Bunny, SHIN, ByuN3The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL47Code S RO12 Preview: Cure, Zoun, Solar, Creator4
Community News
BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack1Weekly Cups (June 2-8): herO doubles down1[BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates9GSL Ro4 and Finals moved to Sunday June 15th13Weekly Cups (May 27-June 1): ByuN goes back-to-back0
StarCraft 2
General
Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack Jim claims he and Firefly were involved in match-fixing The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation StarCraft 1 & 2 Added to Xbox Game Pass
Tourneys
[GSL 2025] Code S:Season 2 - RO8 - Group A Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Bellum Gens Elite: Stara Zagora 2025 $3,500 WardiTV European League 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Darkgrid Layout Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance
Brood War
General
BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion FlaSh Witnesses SCV Pull Off the Impossible vs Shu StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest Will foreigners ever be able to challenge Koreans?
Tourneys
[ASL19] Grand Finals RECOVER LOST BTC USDT FUNDS RECLAIMER COMPANY [BSL20] GosuLeague RO16 - Tue & Wed 20:00+CET NA Team League 6/8/2025
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread What do you want from future RTS games? Armies of Exigo - YesYes? Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
LiquidLegends to reintegrate into TL.net
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Vape Nation Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Maru Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
A Better Routine For Progame…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 26250 users

[IPL] FC15: MC vs Stephano - Page 2

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 48 49 50 Next All
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
April 27 2012 20:30 GMT
#21
Should be close, but Stephano just had one week of vacation where he didn't play at all, so I'm giving the advantage to MC, who spent this time playing games against DongRaeGu.
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
April 27 2012 20:31 GMT
#22
On April 28 2012 05:27 ShoWTimE94 wrote:
i have no experience with cross server lag, so i dont know how crucial it really is, but this could be a big problem for mc. he needs his amazing forcie fields to defend the 12 min max out.

btw: will there be vods? probably wont be able to watch it but i really want to see it >_<


VODS are posted for the other previous Fight Clubs, so I assume the same will be the case for this one.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IPL_Fight_Club
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37003 Posts
April 27 2012 20:33 GMT
#23
On April 28 2012 05:18 NrGmonk wrote:
Holy crap, this is the best matchup I could have hoped for.

!!!! When did u become a moderator? :D
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
April 27 2012 20:34 GMT
#24
i'll go witn MC cause of the maps
Hater of MKP since GSL Open Season 2 | Fanboy of: NesTea Stephano IdrA DIMAGA MorroW ret DongRaeGu Snute SaSe Mvp ThorZaIN DeMusliM
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
April 27 2012 20:35 GMT
#25
On April 28 2012 05:33 SeeKeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 05:18 NrGmonk wrote:
Holy crap, this is the best matchup I could have hoped for.

!!!! When did u become a moderator? :D

Probably today.
c78331
Profile Joined November 2011
Greece64 Posts
April 27 2012 20:39 GMT
#26
On April 28 2012 05:27 ShoWTimE94 wrote:
i have no experience with cross server lag, so i dont know how crucial it really is, but this could be a big problem for mc. he needs his amazing forcie fields to defend the 12 min max out.

btw: will there be vods? probably wont be able to watch it but i really want to see it >_<

Lag can be a problem for both of them( i think stephano forfeited some na matches due to lag).Hopefully it will be tolerable for both players and it won't dictate games in such a way.

Also, will this be live?
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8302 Posts
April 27 2012 20:40 GMT
#27
That could REALLY go either way.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
April 27 2012 20:40 GMT
#28
Stephano got crushed many times before by MC and he should take it easily this time as well the only problem is the cross-server lag which may cost him some games.
Moderatorlickypiddy
bpat
Profile Joined September 2011
United States157 Posts
April 27 2012 20:41 GMT
#29
MC has a 5-0 record vs Stephano and almost never loses PvZ, this should be pretty easy for him.
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
April 27 2012 20:56 GMT
#30
I find it hard to get excited by cross server play.

Going to guess 5-3 MC.
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
April 27 2012 21:01 GMT
#31
MC wins because he holds the bigger thropy. Also, cross server .
emis
Profile Joined November 2011
Estonia409 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 21:19:03
April 27 2012 21:09 GMT
#32
It's kinda sad seeing people preemptively make excuses about cross-server lag. Koreans have really good internet, top teams shouldn't have game changing problems playing on foreign servers.

I guess it's another good reason to say "Stephano hasn't legitimately "proved himself" against top tier Koreans", should he win the showmatch.
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 21:21:51
April 27 2012 21:20 GMT
#33
On April 28 2012 06:09 emis wrote:
It's kinda sad seeing people preemptively make excuses about cross-server lag. Koreans have really good internet, top teams shouldn't have a problem playing on foreign servers.

I guess it's another good reason to say "Stephano doesn't legitimately beat Code S players", should he win the showmatch, even though he's proved it wrong on multiple occasions.


It's not being used as an excuse for MC theoretically losing in most cases. People, me included, feel that lag ruins the legitimacy of anyone's win because it's just not proper conditions to be playing the game.

You could make both players play with their feet if you wanted and sure they'd both have an even playing feel but it wouldn't be a proper game.

Just listen to the pundits on SOTG when they talked about TSL4 and they mentioned it as well on the show before that. Cross server games are just bad for everyone, players and spectators regardless of who wins.

And you should stop denying that lag exists. I get 250ms connecting to NA from EU and I have good internet and am in western Europe. You can't play the game properly with 250ms.
emis
Profile Joined November 2011
Estonia409 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 21:26:44
April 27 2012 21:25 GMT
#34
On April 28 2012 06:20 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 06:09 emis wrote:
It's kinda sad seeing people preemptively make excuses about cross-server lag. Koreans have really good internet, top teams shouldn't have a problem playing on foreign servers.

I guess it's another good reason to say "Stephano doesn't legitimately beat Code S players", should he win the showmatch, even though he's proved it wrong on multiple occasions.


It's not being used as an excuse for MC theoretically losing in most cases. People, me included, feel that lag ruins the legitimacy of anyone's win because it's just not proper conditions to be playing the game.

You could make both players play with their feet if you wanted and sure they'd both have an even playing feel but it wouldn't be a proper game.

Just listen to the pundits on SOTG when they talked about TSL4 and they mentioned it as well on the show before that. Cross server games are just bad for everyone, players and spectators regardless of who wins.

And you should stop denying that lag exists. I get 250ms connecting to NA from EU and I have good internet and am in western Europe. You can't play the game properly with 250ms.


I'm not denying the lag, I just don't think it's game changing. See my edited post.

EDIT: And I'm playing on NA from Estonia with a shitty connection. I don't get any lag whatsoever.
Hens
Profile Joined August 2009
Germany288 Posts
April 27 2012 21:26 GMT
#35
gonna be a pretty great bo9 :D
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
April 27 2012 21:29 GMT
#36
On April 28 2012 06:25 emis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 06:20 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 28 2012 06:09 emis wrote:
It's kinda sad seeing people preemptively make excuses about cross-server lag. Koreans have really good internet, top teams shouldn't have a problem playing on foreign servers.

I guess it's another good reason to say "Stephano doesn't legitimately beat Code S players", should he win the showmatch, even though he's proved it wrong on multiple occasions.


It's not being used as an excuse for MC theoretically losing in most cases. People, me included, feel that lag ruins the legitimacy of anyone's win because it's just not proper conditions to be playing the game.

You could make both players play with their feet if you wanted and sure they'd both have an even playing feel but it wouldn't be a proper game.

Just listen to the pundits on SOTG when they talked about TSL4 and they mentioned it as well on the show before that. Cross server games are just bad for everyone, players and spectators regardless of who wins.

And you should stop denying that lag exists. I get 250ms connecting to NA from EU and I have good internet and am in western Europe. You can't play the game properly with 250ms.


I'm not denying the lag, I just don't think it's game changing. See my edited post.

EDIT: And I'm playing on NA from Estonia with a shitty connection. I don't get any lag whatsoever.


So why do Huk, Idra and Nestea just flat out refuse to play cross server if it doesn't matter?

Why did Artosis say he has no interest in game played by Koreans on the NA server because they're a waste of time?
Vetrocide
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway600 Posts
April 27 2012 21:33 GMT
#37
5-1 MC
The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 21:41:17
April 27 2012 21:35 GMT
#38
On April 28 2012 06:25 emis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 06:20 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 28 2012 06:09 emis wrote:
It's kinda sad seeing people preemptively make excuses about cross-server lag. Koreans have really good internet, top teams shouldn't have a problem playing on foreign servers.

I guess it's another good reason to say "Stephano doesn't legitimately beat Code S players", should he win the showmatch, even though he's proved it wrong on multiple occasions.


It's not being used as an excuse for MC theoretically losing in most cases. People, me included, feel that lag ruins the legitimacy of anyone's win because it's just not proper conditions to be playing the game.

You could make both players play with their feet if you wanted and sure they'd both have an even playing feel but it wouldn't be a proper game.

Just listen to the pundits on SOTG when they talked about TSL4 and they mentioned it as well on the show before that. Cross server games are just bad for everyone, players and spectators regardless of who wins.

And you should stop denying that lag exists. I get 250ms connecting to NA from EU and I have good internet and am in western Europe. You can't play the game properly with 250ms.


I'm not denying the lag, I just don't think it's game changing. See my edited post.

EDIT: And I'm playing on NA from Estonia with a shitty connection. I don't get any lag whatsoever.


If you don't think it's gamechanging then you just don't know what you're talking about. Imagine you're trying to split marines against banelings or land crucial forcefields with a small amount of delay. I've seen people like you with your "I just don't think it's a big deal" mentality, and they only stopped arguing once IdrA himself came into the thread and said that cross-server games are meaningless due to the lag. People like to say, "Well, it doesn't affect macro", but, yes, it does - it affects all aspects of someone's play. When you're a pro and you're trying to do everything to near perfection and you're used to playing with really good latency, lag simply throws you off.

I'm excited for this match just because of the names, but take the results with a massive grain of salt.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
April 27 2012 21:36 GMT
#39
this is an amazing set up.. holy shit am I excited cannot wait to see this
drbrown
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden442 Posts
April 27 2012 21:41 GMT
#40
Calling MC to win this one, korean protosses have showed many times that they are perfectly capable of dealing with Stephanos ZvP and MC is one of the strongest PvZ players in korea.
I'm probably being ironic
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 48 49 50 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PiGosaur Monday
00:00
#35
PiGStarcraft384
davetesta31
CranKy Ducklings20
SteadfastSC15
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft384
RuFF_SC2 83
JuggernautJason60
CosmosSc2 59
SteadfastSC 15
ROOTCatZ 11
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 20161
Sea 1350
Artosis 718
Icarus 8
Dota 2
LuMiX1
League of Legends
tarik_tv10181
Counter-Strike
taco 629
PGG 355
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor108
Other Games
summit1g9005
shahzam1336
ViBE183
Maynarde150
UpATreeSC77
Sick62
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream5083
Other Games
gamesdonequick837
BasetradeTV167
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH198
• rockletztv 3
• Kozan
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• Ler42
League of Legends
• Shiphtur1061
Other Games
• imaqtpie909
• Scarra890
Upcoming Events
GSL Code S
9h 18m
Rogue vs GuMiho
Maru vs Solar
Online Event
23h 48m
Replay Cast
1d 1h
GSL Code S
1d 9h
herO vs Zoun
Classic vs Bunny
The PondCast
1d 9h
Replay Cast
1d 23h
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
OSC
2 days
Korean StarCraft League
3 days
SOOP
3 days
[ Show More ]
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
Cheesadelphia
3 days
CSO Cup
3 days
GSL Code S
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Cure vs Percival
ByuN vs Spirit
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 17: Qualifier 2
BGE Stara Zagora 2025
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
2025 GSL S2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025

Upcoming

Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.