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[IPL] FC15: MC vs Stephano - Page 2

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StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
April 27 2012 20:30 GMT
#21
Should be close, but Stephano just had one week of vacation where he didn't play at all, so I'm giving the advantage to MC, who spent this time playing games against DongRaeGu.
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
April 27 2012 20:31 GMT
#22
On April 28 2012 05:27 ShoWTimE94 wrote:
i have no experience with cross server lag, so i dont know how crucial it really is, but this could be a big problem for mc. he needs his amazing forcie fields to defend the 12 min max out.

btw: will there be vods? probably wont be able to watch it but i really want to see it >_<


VODS are posted for the other previous Fight Clubs, so I assume the same will be the case for this one.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IPL_Fight_Club
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37003 Posts
April 27 2012 20:33 GMT
#23
On April 28 2012 05:18 NrGmonk wrote:
Holy crap, this is the best matchup I could have hoped for.

!!!! When did u become a moderator? :D
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
April 27 2012 20:34 GMT
#24
i'll go witn MC cause of the maps
Hater of MKP since GSL Open Season 2 | Fanboy of: NesTea Stephano IdrA DIMAGA MorroW ret DongRaeGu Snute SaSe Mvp ThorZaIN DeMusliM
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
April 27 2012 20:35 GMT
#25
On April 28 2012 05:33 SeeKeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 05:18 NrGmonk wrote:
Holy crap, this is the best matchup I could have hoped for.

!!!! When did u become a moderator? :D

Probably today.
c78331
Profile Joined November 2011
Greece64 Posts
April 27 2012 20:39 GMT
#26
On April 28 2012 05:27 ShoWTimE94 wrote:
i have no experience with cross server lag, so i dont know how crucial it really is, but this could be a big problem for mc. he needs his amazing forcie fields to defend the 12 min max out.

btw: will there be vods? probably wont be able to watch it but i really want to see it >_<

Lag can be a problem for both of them( i think stephano forfeited some na matches due to lag).Hopefully it will be tolerable for both players and it won't dictate games in such a way.

Also, will this be live?
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8302 Posts
April 27 2012 20:40 GMT
#27
That could REALLY go either way.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
April 27 2012 20:40 GMT
#28
Stephano got crushed many times before by MC and he should take it easily this time as well the only problem is the cross-server lag which may cost him some games.
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bpat
Profile Joined September 2011
United States157 Posts
April 27 2012 20:41 GMT
#29
MC has a 5-0 record vs Stephano and almost never loses PvZ, this should be pretty easy for him.
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
April 27 2012 20:56 GMT
#30
I find it hard to get excited by cross server play.

Going to guess 5-3 MC.
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
April 27 2012 21:01 GMT
#31
MC wins because he holds the bigger thropy. Also, cross server .
emis
Profile Joined November 2011
Estonia409 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 21:19:03
April 27 2012 21:09 GMT
#32
It's kinda sad seeing people preemptively make excuses about cross-server lag. Koreans have really good internet, top teams shouldn't have game changing problems playing on foreign servers.

I guess it's another good reason to say "Stephano hasn't legitimately "proved himself" against top tier Koreans", should he win the showmatch.
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 21:21:51
April 27 2012 21:20 GMT
#33
On April 28 2012 06:09 emis wrote:
It's kinda sad seeing people preemptively make excuses about cross-server lag. Koreans have really good internet, top teams shouldn't have a problem playing on foreign servers.

I guess it's another good reason to say "Stephano doesn't legitimately beat Code S players", should he win the showmatch, even though he's proved it wrong on multiple occasions.


It's not being used as an excuse for MC theoretically losing in most cases. People, me included, feel that lag ruins the legitimacy of anyone's win because it's just not proper conditions to be playing the game.

You could make both players play with their feet if you wanted and sure they'd both have an even playing feel but it wouldn't be a proper game.

Just listen to the pundits on SOTG when they talked about TSL4 and they mentioned it as well on the show before that. Cross server games are just bad for everyone, players and spectators regardless of who wins.

And you should stop denying that lag exists. I get 250ms connecting to NA from EU and I have good internet and am in western Europe. You can't play the game properly with 250ms.
emis
Profile Joined November 2011
Estonia409 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 21:26:44
April 27 2012 21:25 GMT
#34
On April 28 2012 06:20 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 06:09 emis wrote:
It's kinda sad seeing people preemptively make excuses about cross-server lag. Koreans have really good internet, top teams shouldn't have a problem playing on foreign servers.

I guess it's another good reason to say "Stephano doesn't legitimately beat Code S players", should he win the showmatch, even though he's proved it wrong on multiple occasions.


It's not being used as an excuse for MC theoretically losing in most cases. People, me included, feel that lag ruins the legitimacy of anyone's win because it's just not proper conditions to be playing the game.

You could make both players play with their feet if you wanted and sure they'd both have an even playing feel but it wouldn't be a proper game.

Just listen to the pundits on SOTG when they talked about TSL4 and they mentioned it as well on the show before that. Cross server games are just bad for everyone, players and spectators regardless of who wins.

And you should stop denying that lag exists. I get 250ms connecting to NA from EU and I have good internet and am in western Europe. You can't play the game properly with 250ms.


I'm not denying the lag, I just don't think it's game changing. See my edited post.

EDIT: And I'm playing on NA from Estonia with a shitty connection. I don't get any lag whatsoever.
Hens
Profile Joined August 2009
Germany288 Posts
April 27 2012 21:26 GMT
#35
gonna be a pretty great bo9 :D
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
April 27 2012 21:29 GMT
#36
On April 28 2012 06:25 emis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 06:20 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 28 2012 06:09 emis wrote:
It's kinda sad seeing people preemptively make excuses about cross-server lag. Koreans have really good internet, top teams shouldn't have a problem playing on foreign servers.

I guess it's another good reason to say "Stephano doesn't legitimately beat Code S players", should he win the showmatch, even though he's proved it wrong on multiple occasions.


It's not being used as an excuse for MC theoretically losing in most cases. People, me included, feel that lag ruins the legitimacy of anyone's win because it's just not proper conditions to be playing the game.

You could make both players play with their feet if you wanted and sure they'd both have an even playing feel but it wouldn't be a proper game.

Just listen to the pundits on SOTG when they talked about TSL4 and they mentioned it as well on the show before that. Cross server games are just bad for everyone, players and spectators regardless of who wins.

And you should stop denying that lag exists. I get 250ms connecting to NA from EU and I have good internet and am in western Europe. You can't play the game properly with 250ms.


I'm not denying the lag, I just don't think it's game changing. See my edited post.

EDIT: And I'm playing on NA from Estonia with a shitty connection. I don't get any lag whatsoever.


So why do Huk, Idra and Nestea just flat out refuse to play cross server if it doesn't matter?

Why did Artosis say he has no interest in game played by Koreans on the NA server because they're a waste of time?
Vetrocide
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway600 Posts
April 27 2012 21:33 GMT
#37
5-1 MC
The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 21:41:17
April 27 2012 21:35 GMT
#38
On April 28 2012 06:25 emis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 06:20 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 28 2012 06:09 emis wrote:
It's kinda sad seeing people preemptively make excuses about cross-server lag. Koreans have really good internet, top teams shouldn't have a problem playing on foreign servers.

I guess it's another good reason to say "Stephano doesn't legitimately beat Code S players", should he win the showmatch, even though he's proved it wrong on multiple occasions.


It's not being used as an excuse for MC theoretically losing in most cases. People, me included, feel that lag ruins the legitimacy of anyone's win because it's just not proper conditions to be playing the game.

You could make both players play with their feet if you wanted and sure they'd both have an even playing feel but it wouldn't be a proper game.

Just listen to the pundits on SOTG when they talked about TSL4 and they mentioned it as well on the show before that. Cross server games are just bad for everyone, players and spectators regardless of who wins.

And you should stop denying that lag exists. I get 250ms connecting to NA from EU and I have good internet and am in western Europe. You can't play the game properly with 250ms.


I'm not denying the lag, I just don't think it's game changing. See my edited post.

EDIT: And I'm playing on NA from Estonia with a shitty connection. I don't get any lag whatsoever.


If you don't think it's gamechanging then you just don't know what you're talking about. Imagine you're trying to split marines against banelings or land crucial forcefields with a small amount of delay. I've seen people like you with your "I just don't think it's a big deal" mentality, and they only stopped arguing once IdrA himself came into the thread and said that cross-server games are meaningless due to the lag. People like to say, "Well, it doesn't affect macro", but, yes, it does - it affects all aspects of someone's play. When you're a pro and you're trying to do everything to near perfection and you're used to playing with really good latency, lag simply throws you off.

I'm excited for this match just because of the names, but take the results with a massive grain of salt.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
April 27 2012 21:36 GMT
#39
this is an amazing set up.. holy shit am I excited cannot wait to see this
drbrown
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden442 Posts
April 27 2012 21:41 GMT
#40
Calling MC to win this one, korean protosses have showed many times that they are perfectly capable of dealing with Stephanos ZvP and MC is one of the strongest PvZ players in korea.
I'm probably being ironic
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