On April 28 2012 07:36 figq wrote: MC gonna mind trick Stephano, even though I think Stephano is overall better.
Case and point.
What exactly is your case? I didn't mean their 1-on-1.
And how do you justify this? MC has far more accomplishments, far more boX wins against top level korean players, a much higher overall winrate vs korean players, etc
Case and Point.
Back to your, sir.
Yeah, you have no point whatsoever. Unless you're agreeing with me that some Stephano fans are ridiculous in their bias?
I'm asking for your proofs, to hold you to the same standards you hold other people.
Accomplishment can be given to MC without a doubt. MC is in Korea and statistically plays more against Koreans, so that's not much of an argument. So I let you source your proofs for the 3rd point.
PS : I should have written "Case and Point ?" My apologies.
On April 28 2012 08:17 HolyArrow wrote: I'm pretty sure he's not agreeing with you. If I recall correctly, I tried arguing with Otolia before and he's one of those insufferable Stephano fanboys that logic doesn't work on (if I am misremembering then I apologize, but I'm 90% sure it's him). It's a waste of time unless you enjoy bashing your head against a brick wall.
And I like Stephano. I think he's an incredibly talented player, one of the best foreigners, and I admire his attitude toward the game. But there's absolutely no basis for how highly some people rate him (best player in the world, or something along those lines)
When his opponent in this showmatch himself is saying that Stephano is in the top 3 for zerg worldwide (Source), I believe he has a strong insight and knowledge of the game. Maybe your insight is superior to MC's one but you will have to write something better than insulting me for pointing out how little you develop to sustain your case and how much you try to smear people's name.
Aside from that, I welcome you into the list of people I should get rid of once I seize control of TL.
Wow. I usually don't give a shit about showmatches, but this could just be the most interesting match there is. Mostly since MC claims pvz is so easy and stephano says toss has no chance. How often do pros claim their race is overpowered in some matchup? Well, only one of them can win. I just hope the stakes are enough for both to show all they got.
MC's PvZ is not exactly unbeatable - he's 55% Korea and 72% International, with a 50% win rate vs. Zerg in his last tournament, where he won 3-0 vs. DRG, then lost 1-2 to Violet, and 1-3 to DRG when they rematched. Stephano is no worse than Violet in ZvP and has a 72% win rate in ZvP International. But, MC has learned from his mistakes vs. Violet and DRG, whereas Stephano hasn't lost against a Protoss in tournaments after IPL 4.
Style-wise, Stephano barely uses mutas in the match up, and prefers infestor heavy play. In this he's different from DRG and other Korean Zergs, who love their muta switches. What he shares with them is the policy of going mass roaches on three bases to deny a Protoss third. This latter style, MC knows how to exploit, and his templar control - provided he goes it - is better than EU Protosses, making his late game play better vs. Stephano's infestor heavy style.
Predictions-wise, I'm going to give the advantage to MC. He's got an excellent understanding of two base timings and how to play them, great templar control to counter infestors, and solid defense vs. three hatch roach.
On April 28 2012 08:22 jianming wrote: Ok Stephano fanboys... Please tell me 5 Code S players Stephano has beaten in his career, to justify this "better than 2 time GSL champion and all time money list leader."
He beat Curious in IPL4. DRG in Blizzard Cup.
Any more?
Did he beat Polt (the Code A guy who only got into Code S because of a seed) when he was in Code S?
On April 28 2012 08:22 jianming wrote: Ok Stephano fanboys... Please tell me 5 Code S players Stephano has beaten in his career, to justify this "better than 2 time GSL champion and all time money list leader."
He beat Curious in IPL4. DRG in Blizzard Cup.
Any more?
Did he beat Polt (the Code A guy who only got into Code S because of a seed) when he was in Code S?
On April 28 2012 08:22 jianming wrote: Ok Stephano fanboys... Please tell me 5 Code S players Stephano has beaten in his career, to justify this "better than 2 time GSL champion and all time money list leader."
He beat Curious in IPL4. DRG in Blizzard Cup.
Any more?
Did he beat Polt (the Code A guy who only got into Code S because of a seed) when he was in Code S?
MKP, Curious, DRG, Polt, HerO.
Events?
ESWC - mkp blizzard cup - HerO,DRG IPL 4 - Curious Lone Star - Polt
On April 28 2012 08:22 jianming wrote: Ok Stephano fanboys... Please tell me 5 Code S players Stephano has beaten in his career, to justify this "better than 2 time GSL champion and all time money list leader."
He beat Curious in IPL4. DRG in Blizzard Cup.
Any more?
Did he beat Polt (the Code A guy who only got into Code S because of a seed) when he was in Code S?
On April 28 2012 08:22 jianming wrote: Ok Stephano fanboys... Please tell me 5 Code S players Stephano has beaten in his career, to justify this "better than 2 time GSL champion and all time money list leader."
He beat Curious in IPL4. DRG in Blizzard Cup.
Any more?
Did he beat Polt (the Code A guy who only got into Code S because of a seed) when he was in Code S?
Hero was not in Code S during Blizzard Cup. Polt was Code A during Lonestar.
Edit: Stephano has definitely proved that he can compete with Code S players, especially lower tiered ones, but to say he is better than MC is ridiculous. He has done absolutely nothing to prove that.
On April 28 2012 08:22 jianming wrote: Ok Stephano fanboys... Please tell me 5 Code S players Stephano has beaten in his career, to justify this "better than 2 time GSL champion and all time money list leader."
He beat Curious in IPL4. DRG in Blizzard Cup.
Any more?
Did he beat Polt (the Code A guy who only got into Code S because of a seed) when he was in Code S?
Hero was not in Code S during Blizzard Cup. Polt was Code A during Lonestar.
Oh, you mean people who were in Code S at the time he played them.
Well, Polt's still there, because was seeded into Code S right before Lone Star.
Instead of HerO, put Zenio.
Edit: Stephano has definitely proved that he can compete with Code S players, especially lower tiered ones, but to say he is better than MC is ridiculous. He has done absolutely nothing to prove that.
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