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On April 28 2012 09:58 jianming wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 09:37 1Eris1 wrote:On April 28 2012 09:19 Otolia wrote:Good, let me bring some more infos. We can't take GSL into account because it's a preparation based league where Stephano didn't play yet. Results are very dependent from coaching and build orders so we have to measure things in an equal field. HSC was more of a party for most foreigners. And even though we consider it premier in LP, it's only due to the innovation and the entertainment value. Still I included it. International Stats for MC in 2012: 2-0 TheStC, 1-2 PartinG, 0-2 GanZi, 3-0 viOlet, 3-2 PuMa, 0-2 MKP, 1-2 GanZi, 2-1 crazymovING, 2-1 Polt, 2-0 Symbol, 2-0 MVP, 2-0 PuMa, 0-2 Polt, 1-2 Squirtle, 0-2 Creator, 2-3 aLive, 3-0 DRG, 1-2 Heart, 0-3 GanZi, 1-2 viOlet, 2-1 MKP, 2-1 PartinG, 1-3 DRG Total : 31 - 33 HSC IV : 0-2 MKP, 3-2 JYP, 4-0 Sound -> 7-4 International Stats for Stephano in 2012 : 3-2 Polt, 3-2 viOlet, 2-0 HyuN, 3-0 PuMa, 1-4 Polt, 2-0 Zenio, 0-2 Polt, 5-2 Polt, 1-2 Polt, 1-2 Inori, 1-2 Life, 1-2 MKP, 2-1 JYP, 2-1 Curious, 1-2 NesTea, 0-2 MMA Total : 28 - 26 HSC : 0-2 Sound, 0-2 MKP, 0-2 MC And I'm not even removing online games which are different from offline ones (though I guess it would work in MC's favor) Conclusion : Results are very similar. You cannot based your conclusion on that unless you want to win an internet argument. Without HSC, Stephano has a winning record and MC a losing one, with it it's reversed. Is this some kind of joke? I linked the 2012 games for you and you managed to miscount them, jesus christ. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=640&part=games&league=standardMC's vs Koreans in foreign tournaments: + Show Spoiler +1-3 vs DRG
2-1 vs Parting
2-1 vs MKP
1-2 Violet
0-3 vs Ganzi
1-2 vs Heart
3-0 vs DRG
2-3 vs Alive
0-2 vs Creator
1-2 vs Squirtle
0-2 vs Polt
2-0 vs Puma
2-0 vs MVP
2-0 vs Symbol
2-1 vs Polt
2-1 vs CrazyMoving
1-2 vs Ganzi
0-2 vs MKP
3-2 vs Puma
3-0 vs Violet
0-2 vs Ganzi
1-2 vs Parting
2-0 vs theSTC
4-0 vs Sound
3-2 vs JYP
0-2 vs MKP 40-37. Looks like I was off by a couple here. You were off by 10+. Stephano vs Koreans, 2012, http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1996&part=games&league=standard#tblt-4105-4-1-DESC+ Show Spoiler +0-2 vs MMA
1-2 vs Nestea
2-1 vs Bomber
2-1 vs Curious
2-1 vs JYP
1-2 vs MKP
0-2 vs Jjakji
0-2 vs Life
1-2 vs Inori
1-2 vs Polt
4-2 vs Polt
0-1 vs Alive
0-2 vs Polt
2-0 vs Zenio
1-4 vs Polt
3-0 vs puma
2-0 vs TypeReal (not even sure who this, but he has a Korean flag)
2-0 vs Inori
2-0 vs Hyun
3-2 vs Violet
3-2 vs Polt
0-2 vs MKP
0-2 vs MC (lolol)
0-2 vs Sound 32-36. I accidently counted the Dream games wrong. Where the fuck are you getting 28-26 from? And how the fuck are you not going to count GSL games? What a bullshit excuse. It seems the only way you can make an arguement is by cherrypicking results or falsifying stats. Don't feed the trolls, or argue with mindless fanboys. Fact remains that Stephano has done (basically) nothing against top Koreans, and MC has. Maybe Stephano will start playing them more, and will be able to prove himself, but until he does that, it's impossible to say that Stephano is better than someone like MC (or any other top Korean).
Stephano have done nothing against top koreans ? lol watch IPL 4 and thats just his latest tournament. You are a clown and when Stephano beats MC you proberly gonna blame it on lag right?
I find it funny you haters never learn
And btw 1Eris1 do you get payed to hate Stephano? Becuase in every thread you always there trying to dismiss his amasing achievements. What exactly have Stephano done to you, Did he steal you girlfriend or something?
On April 28 2012 11:33 IMNasty wrote:
foreigner bias much? let me know the last time he beat a code S protoss
Hero got slaughtered when he meet Stephano and so did JYP and he only got korea´s 2nd best PvZ
And btw one last thing MC himself consider Stephano among the 3 best zergs in the world.
http://www.gomtv.net/2012gsls2/gomcam/67443
Watch it and cry haters
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On April 28 2012 11:33 IMNasty wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 10:28 Rayjin wrote:
In my opinion Stephano has the best ZvP at the moment ( Yes, i would put him above DRG in this Matchup ^^ ).
Overall MC is the better player, but i think he'll lose this battle. foreigner bias much? let me know the last time he beat a code S protoss
Good question. He has beaten JYP at IPL4 and also defeated Hero at Blizzard Cup. These players are Code S Level but were not in Code S at the time of the matches, but Stephano has not really played many Protoss in Code S at all apart from Korean Ladder. He has played MC and lost every time. You have to go back to when he beat Puzzle 2-0 in IPL3 Qualifiers last September or went 2-0 over Huk at IPL3 last October. AFAIK the only Code S Protoss to have played and beaten Stephano are MC and Naniwa. Has Huk beaten Stephano in a series?
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from the pov of a player it does not matter who he is playing, just the race.
stephano believes he has solved zvp and, outside a few lucky all ins, he doesn't lose.
what can MC do that his past opponents could not?
can't wait to find out.
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On April 28 2012 08:42 dragonborn wrote:
stephano is a better player than MC, but MC is more gimmicky.
i hope stephano find a way for beating MC's gimmicky play.
I'm sick and tired of your blind fanboyism. Get out.
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On April 28 2012 12:24 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 08:42 dragonborn wrote:
stephano is a better player than MC, but MC is more gimmicky.
i hope stephano find a way for beating MC's gimmicky play. I'm sick and tired of your blind fanboyism. Get out.
who the heck are you and saying "get out" to me?
you should respect my opinions.
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On April 28 2012 12:28 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 12:24 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 28 2012 08:42 dragonborn wrote:
stephano is a better player than MC, but MC is more gimmicky.
i hope stephano find a way for beating MC's gimmicky play. I'm sick and tired of your blind fanboyism. Get out. who the heck are you and saying "get out" to me? you should respect my opinions.
I only respect opinions without a ridiculous amount of bias.
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This bickering is childish. Let's just enjoy the games FFS. Like InControl, I am excited by this showmatch. Should be entertaining whoever you root for.
Personally I'd like to thank IPL for putting together this showmatch for us. I've been really impressed with their previous Fight Club showmatches and this one could be the best one yet.
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On April 28 2012 12:29 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 12:28 dragonborn wrote:On April 28 2012 12:24 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 28 2012 08:42 dragonborn wrote:
stephano is a better player than MC, but MC is more gimmicky.
i hope stephano find a way for beating MC's gimmicky play. I'm sick and tired of your blind fanboyism. Get out. who the heck are you and saying "get out" to me? you should respect my opinions. I only respect opinions without a ridiculous amount of bias.
that comment wasnt biased.
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On April 28 2012 12:33 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 12:29 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 28 2012 12:28 dragonborn wrote:On April 28 2012 12:24 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 28 2012 08:42 dragonborn wrote:
stephano is a better player than MC, but MC is more gimmicky.
i hope stephano find a way for beating MC's gimmicky play. I'm sick and tired of your blind fanboyism. Get out. who the heck are you and saying "get out" to me? you should respect my opinions. I only respect opinions without a ridiculous amount of bias. that comment wasnt biased.
Facts:
1. MC has sc2 earnings twice as much as Stephano.
2. MC has 2 GSL under his belt.
3. Both of them have same international winrates, with MC constantly doing better at more stacked events including several MLGs.
4. MC has 60% winrate in GSL with more than 150 games played, Stephano only played 4 tournament games in Korea, winning a ZvZ, a ZvP, and losing a ZvP to MC, a ZvT to MVP.
5. MC was winning Code S before Stephano even turned Pro.
6. MC has never ever lost a game to Stephano.
Tell me with a straight face that Stephano is better than MC.
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On April 28 2012 12:40 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 12:33 dragonborn wrote:On April 28 2012 12:29 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 28 2012 12:28 dragonborn wrote:On April 28 2012 12:24 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 28 2012 08:42 dragonborn wrote:
stephano is a better player than MC, but MC is more gimmicky.
i hope stephano find a way for beating MC's gimmicky play. I'm sick and tired of your blind fanboyism. Get out. who the heck are you and saying "get out" to me? you should respect my opinions. I only respect opinions without a ridiculous amount of bias. that comment wasnt biased. Facts: 1. MC has sc2 earnings twice as much as Stephano. 2. MC has 2 GSL under his belt. 3. Both of them have same international winrates, with MC constantly doing better at more stacked events including several MLGs. 4. MC has 60% winrate in GSL with more than 150 games played, Stephano only played 3 tournament games in Korea, winning a ZvZ, a ZvP, and losing a ZvP to MC. 5. MC has never ever lost a game to Stephano. Tell me with a straight face that Stephano is better than MC.
*straight face*
Stephano is better than MC.
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I think stephano has this!
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On April 28 2012 12:41 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 12:40 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 28 2012 12:33 dragonborn wrote:On April 28 2012 12:29 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 28 2012 12:28 dragonborn wrote:On April 28 2012 12:24 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 28 2012 08:42 dragonborn wrote:
stephano is a better player than MC, but MC is more gimmicky.
i hope stephano find a way for beating MC's gimmicky play. I'm sick and tired of your blind fanboyism. Get out. who the heck are you and saying "get out" to me? you should respect my opinions. I only respect opinions without a ridiculous amount of bias. that comment wasnt biased. Facts: 1. MC has sc2 earnings twice as much as Stephano. 2. MC has 2 GSL under his belt. 3. Both of them have same international winrates, with MC constantly doing better at more stacked events including several MLGs. 4. MC has 60% winrate in GSL with more than 150 games played, Stephano only played 3 tournament games in Korea, winning a ZvZ, a ZvP, and losing a ZvP to MC. 5. MC has never ever lost a game to Stephano. Tell me with a straight face that Stephano is better than MC. *straight face* Stephano is better than MC.
And that's why I don't need to respect your opinion.
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Calm down guys, just enjoy the showmatch! What does it matter who is "objectively" better? Could we delay the heated debate until after the broadcast? Then you'll actually have new material to work with.
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On April 28 2012 12:42 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 12:41 dragonborn wrote:On April 28 2012 12:40 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 28 2012 12:33 dragonborn wrote:On April 28 2012 12:29 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 28 2012 12:28 dragonborn wrote:On April 28 2012 12:24 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 28 2012 08:42 dragonborn wrote:
stephano is a better player than MC, but MC is more gimmicky.
i hope stephano find a way for beating MC's gimmicky play. I'm sick and tired of your blind fanboyism. Get out. who the heck are you and saying "get out" to me? you should respect my opinions. I only respect opinions without a ridiculous amount of bias. that comment wasnt biased. Facts: 1. MC has sc2 earnings twice as much as Stephano. 2. MC has 2 GSL under his belt. 3. Both of them have same international winrates, with MC constantly doing better at more stacked events including several MLGs. 4. MC has 60% winrate in GSL with more than 150 games played, Stephano only played 3 tournament games in Korea, winning a ZvZ, a ZvP, and losing a ZvP to MC. 5. MC has never ever lost a game to Stephano. Tell me with a straight face that Stephano is better than MC. *straight face* Stephano is better than MC. And that's why I don't need to respect your opinion.
you still need to respect it 
you cant say "get out" to me due my opinion.
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On April 28 2012 12:40 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 12:33 dragonborn wrote:On April 28 2012 12:29 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 28 2012 12:28 dragonborn wrote:On April 28 2012 12:24 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 28 2012 08:42 dragonborn wrote:
stephano is a better player than MC, but MC is more gimmicky.
i hope stephano find a way for beating MC's gimmicky play. I'm sick and tired of your blind fanboyism. Get out. who the heck are you and saying "get out" to me? you should respect my opinions. I only respect opinions without a ridiculous amount of bias. that comment wasnt biased. Facts: 1. MC has sc2 earnings twice as much as Stephano. 2. MC has 2 GSL under his belt. 3. Both of them have same international winrates, with MC constantly doing better at more stacked events including several MLGs. 4. MC has 60% winrate in GSL with more than 150 games played, Stephano only played 3 tournament games in Korea, winning a ZvZ, a ZvP, and losing a ZvP to MC. 5. MC has never ever lost a game to Stephano. Tell me with a straight face that Stephano is better than MC.
Actually Stephano has played 4 tournament games in Korea - he also lost a ZvT vs MVP. Please amend.
You should also mention that MC has been a SC2 Pro-gamer for more than a year longer than Stephano. I believe MC was playing in GSL a year before Stephano even turned Pro. This adds context to their respective careers in SC2.
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On April 28 2012 12:45 StarVe wrote:
Calm down guys, just enjoy the showmatch! What does it matter who is "objectively" better? Could we delay the heated debate until after the broadcast? Then you'll actually have new material to work with.
I agree. It's like a playground in here. Except with worse arithmetic.
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On April 28 2012 12:46 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 12:42 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 28 2012 12:41 dragonborn wrote:On April 28 2012 12:40 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 28 2012 12:33 dragonborn wrote:On April 28 2012 12:29 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 28 2012 12:28 dragonborn wrote:On April 28 2012 12:24 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 28 2012 08:42 dragonborn wrote:
stephano is a better player than MC, but MC is more gimmicky.
i hope stephano find a way for beating MC's gimmicky play. I'm sick and tired of your blind fanboyism. Get out. who the heck are you and saying "get out" to me? you should respect my opinions. I only respect opinions without a ridiculous amount of bias. that comment wasnt biased. Facts: 1. MC has sc2 earnings twice as much as Stephano. 2. MC has 2 GSL under his belt. 3. Both of them have same international winrates, with MC constantly doing better at more stacked events including several MLGs. 4. MC has 60% winrate in GSL with more than 150 games played, Stephano only played 3 tournament games in Korea, winning a ZvZ, a ZvP, and losing a ZvP to MC. 5. MC has never ever lost a game to Stephano. Tell me with a straight face that Stephano is better than MC. *straight face* Stephano is better than MC. And that's why I don't need to respect your opinion. you still need to respect it you cant say "get out" to me due my opinion.
such things like opinions and faith should never be respected, but of course it should be voiced ^^
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I think both of these players are mentally strong and no one will get swept or owned unless one of them suddenly becomes exhausted because of their schedule. Therefore, 5-4. I just tossed a coin.
5-4 Stephano.
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On April 28 2012 12:41 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 12:40 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 28 2012 12:33 dragonborn wrote:On April 28 2012 12:29 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 28 2012 12:28 dragonborn wrote:On April 28 2012 12:24 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 28 2012 08:42 dragonborn wrote:
stephano is a better player than MC, but MC is more gimmicky.
i hope stephano find a way for beating MC's gimmicky play. I'm sick and tired of your blind fanboyism. Get out. who the heck are you and saying "get out" to me? you should respect my opinions. I only respect opinions without a ridiculous amount of bias. that comment wasnt biased. Facts: 1. MC has sc2 earnings twice as much as Stephano. 2. MC has 2 GSL under his belt. 3. Both of them have same international winrates, with MC constantly doing better at more stacked events including several MLGs. 4. MC has 60% winrate in GSL with more than 150 games played, Stephano only played 3 tournament games in Korea, winning a ZvZ, a ZvP, and losing a ZvP to MC. 5. MC has never ever lost a game to Stephano. Tell me with a straight face that Stephano is better than MC. *straight face* Stephano is better than MC.
People also tell jokes with a straight face.
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On April 28 2012 12:15 Let it Raine wrote:
from the pov of a player it does not matter who he is playing, just the race.
stephano believes he has solved zvp and, outside a few lucky all ins, he doesn't lose.
what can MC do that his past opponents could not?
can't wait to find out.
Stephano doesn't think his play is perfect. In every interview he's given he's said that his own mistakes are responsible for his losses, not the style that he uses. He's the opposite of IdrA in this, though at times he does complain about people meta-gaming against him.
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