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[IPL] FC15: MC vs Stephano

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IGNProLeague
Profile Joined April 2011
1184 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 02:40:03
April 27 2012 20:04 GMT
#1
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The time has come for our fifteenth IGN Pro League Fight Club! This is a weekly king of the hill showmatch series. Basically, there will be a 1 vs. 1 best of 9 showmatch each and every week, where the winner will earn a $500 prize and a $100 bounty on their head. For example, if a player wins three weeks in a row they will have earned $1,500 and a $300 bounty. If a NEW challenger defeats him, they will earn $500 for the showmatch, take the $300 bounty home, and have a new $100 bounty placed on their head for each week that they win. (Similar to IPL Team Arena, but without the teams!)


Stream Link: http://www.ign.com/ipl


(Wiki)IPL Fight Club


When: Sunday, Apr 29 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also have a European re-broadcast as usual at Sunday, Apr 29 4:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00))




MC dethroned Empire.viOLet in the last IPL Fight Club, but now he's coming back to defend his title against one of the top-rated Western players in the world, Millenium.Stephano! Will Stephano have what it takes to destroy the Obama Toss and assert himself once again as capable of taking out Code S winners?

SK.MC
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Mill.Stephano
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Poll: Who Will Win?!

Stephano (802)
 
50%

MC (801)
 
50%

1603 total votes

Your vote: Who Will Win?!

(Vote): Stephano
(Vote): MC




Results!

+ Show Spoiler [IPL Fight Club Results] +
MC < Cloud Kingdom > Stephano
MC < Ohana > Stephano
MC < Antiga Shipyard > Stephano
MC < Atlantis Spaceship > Stephano
MC < Daybreak > Stephano
MC < Entombed Valley > Stephano
MC < Sanshorn Mist AE > Stephano
MC < Metropolis > Stephano



Map List

IPLMap Sanshorn Mists AE
IPLMap Atlantis Spaceship
IPLMap Antiga Shipyard
IPLMap Daybreak
IPLMap Tal'Darim Altar LE
IPLMap Cloud Kingdom
IPLMap Metropolis
IPLMap Ohana
IPLMap Entombed Valley

All the maps can be found on NA, EU, or KR by searching for IPLMap!

The first map will be on a set rotation, and then it is loser's pick.



Casters

This week's games will be commentated by CatsPajamas and Doa!





Stay up to date with IPL4, IPL TV, IPL Fight Club, and IPL Team Arena Challenge by checking our [image loading] Facebook, [image loading] Twitter, [image loading] YouTube, and Twitch.TV!


HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
April 27 2012 20:04 GMT
#2
Awww shiiiiieeeet.
skyflyfish
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada499 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 20:16:26
April 27 2012 20:04 GMT
#3
epic
if Stephano won, invite polt next time. how epic that gonna be~
as1
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
April 27 2012 20:05 GMT
#4
OMG hype!
Annoying that this is played cross server, Korea to EU means playing on NA if I'm not mistaken, which is a shame, but the games should still be great.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Acronysis
Profile Joined November 2011
872 Posts
April 27 2012 20:06 GMT
#5
Will be an exciting match i'm sure. Both so good at vZ and vP. I'm gonna give it to MC just cause he's MC, but I'll really be routing for Stephano - i hope he can take him down
The multiplying villanies of man do swarm upon him.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
April 27 2012 20:07 GMT
#6
On April 28 2012 05:05 MCDayC wrote:
OMG hype!
Annoying that this is played cross server, Korea to EU means playing on NA if I'm not mistaken, which is a shame, but the games should still be great.


Damn, that's too bad. Lag usually benefits the Zerg just because Zerg is more macro than micro. Hopefully it doesn't interfere with MC's immaculate forcefields too much >_<
Siffer
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States467 Posts
April 27 2012 20:08 GMT
#7
This is awesome. However, will there be vods available? I work in the restaurant industry and therefore I will miss the live stream and the euro rebroadcast.
leo23
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3075 Posts
April 27 2012 20:09 GMT
#8
nice... let's see stephano's zvp vs mc
banelings
illsick
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1770 Posts
April 27 2012 20:11 GMT
#9
can't wait
you live and you learn
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37003 Posts
April 27 2012 20:11 GMT
#10
OH SHIIIIIEEETTT!!!

Wow these are going to be some good games Oo. MC LET'S DO THIS!
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
xBenderx
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada18 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 20:12:57
April 27 2012 20:12 GMT
#11
holy crap now heres a match to see
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
April 27 2012 20:12 GMT
#12
Fuck . . . . I want to say MC because his ZvP is just a terror to behold but with cross server lag, and Stephano's bad assness, I could see this going very close.
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
Hulavuta
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1252 Posts
April 27 2012 20:16 GMT
#13
I say MC 5-3. MC is an absolute beast at PvZ (he's only lost 2 series this entire year) and he's beaten Stephano 2-0 in every series they've played. However, since this is such a longer match with a lot of lag probably, I can see Stephano taking a few of the games.

that is, if Stephano shows up! oh ohohohoho, I kid
Done with Team Liquid for a while. Don't expect to find me here.
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
April 27 2012 20:18 GMT
#14
Holy crap, this is the best matchup I could have hoped for.
Moderator
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
April 27 2012 20:20 GMT
#15
MC 5-0 Stephano
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
April 27 2012 20:22 GMT
#16
As long as MC isn't passive and doesn't die to the 12 min roach push, he's got this ezpz.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
emis
Profile Joined November 2011
Estonia409 Posts
April 27 2012 20:25 GMT
#17
On April 28 2012 05:20 mordk wrote:
MC 5-0 Stephano

you really think it's gonna be that bad?
Lennient
Profile Joined January 2012
497 Posts
April 27 2012 20:27 GMT
#18
Stephano's ZvP has drastically improved since the last time they played, Stephano got this!!!
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
April 27 2012 20:27 GMT
#19
MC 5-2 or 5-3 Stephano I think... he's really strong right now, but idk... stephano could take it
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
SC2ShoWTimE
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany722 Posts
April 27 2012 20:27 GMT
#20
i have no experience with cross server lag, so i dont know how crucial it really is, but this could be a big problem for mc. he needs his amazing forcie fields to defend the 12 min max out.

btw: will there be vods? probably wont be able to watch it but i really want to see it >_<
Progamer
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
April 27 2012 20:30 GMT
#21
Should be close, but Stephano just had one week of vacation where he didn't play at all, so I'm giving the advantage to MC, who spent this time playing games against DongRaeGu.
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
April 27 2012 20:31 GMT
#22
On April 28 2012 05:27 ShoWTimE94 wrote:
i have no experience with cross server lag, so i dont know how crucial it really is, but this could be a big problem for mc. he needs his amazing forcie fields to defend the 12 min max out.

btw: will there be vods? probably wont be able to watch it but i really want to see it >_<


VODS are posted for the other previous Fight Clubs, so I assume the same will be the case for this one.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IPL_Fight_Club
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37003 Posts
April 27 2012 20:33 GMT
#23
On April 28 2012 05:18 NrGmonk wrote:
Holy crap, this is the best matchup I could have hoped for.

!!!! When did u become a moderator? :D
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
April 27 2012 20:34 GMT
#24
i'll go witn MC cause of the maps
Hater of MKP since GSL Open Season 2 | Fanboy of: NesTea Stephano IdrA DIMAGA MorroW ret DongRaeGu Snute SaSe Mvp ThorZaIN DeMusliM
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
April 27 2012 20:35 GMT
#25
On April 28 2012 05:33 SeeKeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 05:18 NrGmonk wrote:
Holy crap, this is the best matchup I could have hoped for.

!!!! When did u become a moderator? :D

Probably today.
c78331
Profile Joined November 2011
Greece64 Posts
April 27 2012 20:39 GMT
#26
On April 28 2012 05:27 ShoWTimE94 wrote:
i have no experience with cross server lag, so i dont know how crucial it really is, but this could be a big problem for mc. he needs his amazing forcie fields to defend the 12 min max out.

btw: will there be vods? probably wont be able to watch it but i really want to see it >_<

Lag can be a problem for both of them( i think stephano forfeited some na matches due to lag).Hopefully it will be tolerable for both players and it won't dictate games in such a way.

Also, will this be live?
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8302 Posts
April 27 2012 20:40 GMT
#27
That could REALLY go either way.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
April 27 2012 20:40 GMT
#28
Stephano got crushed many times before by MC and he should take it easily this time as well the only problem is the cross-server lag which may cost him some games.
Moderatorlickypiddy
bpat
Profile Joined September 2011
United States157 Posts
April 27 2012 20:41 GMT
#29
MC has a 5-0 record vs Stephano and almost never loses PvZ, this should be pretty easy for him.
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
April 27 2012 20:56 GMT
#30
I find it hard to get excited by cross server play.

Going to guess 5-3 MC.
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
April 27 2012 21:01 GMT
#31
MC wins because he holds the bigger thropy. Also, cross server .
emis
Profile Joined November 2011
Estonia409 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 21:19:03
April 27 2012 21:09 GMT
#32
It's kinda sad seeing people preemptively make excuses about cross-server lag. Koreans have really good internet, top teams shouldn't have game changing problems playing on foreign servers.

I guess it's another good reason to say "Stephano hasn't legitimately "proved himself" against top tier Koreans", should he win the showmatch.
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 21:21:51
April 27 2012 21:20 GMT
#33
On April 28 2012 06:09 emis wrote:
It's kinda sad seeing people preemptively make excuses about cross-server lag. Koreans have really good internet, top teams shouldn't have a problem playing on foreign servers.

I guess it's another good reason to say "Stephano doesn't legitimately beat Code S players", should he win the showmatch, even though he's proved it wrong on multiple occasions.


It's not being used as an excuse for MC theoretically losing in most cases. People, me included, feel that lag ruins the legitimacy of anyone's win because it's just not proper conditions to be playing the game.

You could make both players play with their feet if you wanted and sure they'd both have an even playing feel but it wouldn't be a proper game.

Just listen to the pundits on SOTG when they talked about TSL4 and they mentioned it as well on the show before that. Cross server games are just bad for everyone, players and spectators regardless of who wins.

And you should stop denying that lag exists. I get 250ms connecting to NA from EU and I have good internet and am in western Europe. You can't play the game properly with 250ms.
emis
Profile Joined November 2011
Estonia409 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 21:26:44
April 27 2012 21:25 GMT
#34
On April 28 2012 06:20 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 06:09 emis wrote:
It's kinda sad seeing people preemptively make excuses about cross-server lag. Koreans have really good internet, top teams shouldn't have a problem playing on foreign servers.

I guess it's another good reason to say "Stephano doesn't legitimately beat Code S players", should he win the showmatch, even though he's proved it wrong on multiple occasions.


It's not being used as an excuse for MC theoretically losing in most cases. People, me included, feel that lag ruins the legitimacy of anyone's win because it's just not proper conditions to be playing the game.

You could make both players play with their feet if you wanted and sure they'd both have an even playing feel but it wouldn't be a proper game.

Just listen to the pundits on SOTG when they talked about TSL4 and they mentioned it as well on the show before that. Cross server games are just bad for everyone, players and spectators regardless of who wins.

And you should stop denying that lag exists. I get 250ms connecting to NA from EU and I have good internet and am in western Europe. You can't play the game properly with 250ms.


I'm not denying the lag, I just don't think it's game changing. See my edited post.

EDIT: And I'm playing on NA from Estonia with a shitty connection. I don't get any lag whatsoever.
Hens
Profile Joined August 2009
Germany288 Posts
April 27 2012 21:26 GMT
#35
gonna be a pretty great bo9 :D
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
April 27 2012 21:29 GMT
#36
On April 28 2012 06:25 emis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 06:20 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 28 2012 06:09 emis wrote:
It's kinda sad seeing people preemptively make excuses about cross-server lag. Koreans have really good internet, top teams shouldn't have a problem playing on foreign servers.

I guess it's another good reason to say "Stephano doesn't legitimately beat Code S players", should he win the showmatch, even though he's proved it wrong on multiple occasions.


It's not being used as an excuse for MC theoretically losing in most cases. People, me included, feel that lag ruins the legitimacy of anyone's win because it's just not proper conditions to be playing the game.

You could make both players play with their feet if you wanted and sure they'd both have an even playing feel but it wouldn't be a proper game.

Just listen to the pundits on SOTG when they talked about TSL4 and they mentioned it as well on the show before that. Cross server games are just bad for everyone, players and spectators regardless of who wins.

And you should stop denying that lag exists. I get 250ms connecting to NA from EU and I have good internet and am in western Europe. You can't play the game properly with 250ms.


I'm not denying the lag, I just don't think it's game changing. See my edited post.

EDIT: And I'm playing on NA from Estonia with a shitty connection. I don't get any lag whatsoever.


So why do Huk, Idra and Nestea just flat out refuse to play cross server if it doesn't matter?

Why did Artosis say he has no interest in game played by Koreans on the NA server because they're a waste of time?
Vetrocide
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway600 Posts
April 27 2012 21:33 GMT
#37
5-1 MC
The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 21:41:17
April 27 2012 21:35 GMT
#38
On April 28 2012 06:25 emis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 06:20 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 28 2012 06:09 emis wrote:
It's kinda sad seeing people preemptively make excuses about cross-server lag. Koreans have really good internet, top teams shouldn't have a problem playing on foreign servers.

I guess it's another good reason to say "Stephano doesn't legitimately beat Code S players", should he win the showmatch, even though he's proved it wrong on multiple occasions.


It's not being used as an excuse for MC theoretically losing in most cases. People, me included, feel that lag ruins the legitimacy of anyone's win because it's just not proper conditions to be playing the game.

You could make both players play with their feet if you wanted and sure they'd both have an even playing feel but it wouldn't be a proper game.

Just listen to the pundits on SOTG when they talked about TSL4 and they mentioned it as well on the show before that. Cross server games are just bad for everyone, players and spectators regardless of who wins.

And you should stop denying that lag exists. I get 250ms connecting to NA from EU and I have good internet and am in western Europe. You can't play the game properly with 250ms.


I'm not denying the lag, I just don't think it's game changing. See my edited post.

EDIT: And I'm playing on NA from Estonia with a shitty connection. I don't get any lag whatsoever.


If you don't think it's gamechanging then you just don't know what you're talking about. Imagine you're trying to split marines against banelings or land crucial forcefields with a small amount of delay. I've seen people like you with your "I just don't think it's a big deal" mentality, and they only stopped arguing once IdrA himself came into the thread and said that cross-server games are meaningless due to the lag. People like to say, "Well, it doesn't affect macro", but, yes, it does - it affects all aspects of someone's play. When you're a pro and you're trying to do everything to near perfection and you're used to playing with really good latency, lag simply throws you off.

I'm excited for this match just because of the names, but take the results with a massive grain of salt.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
April 27 2012 21:36 GMT
#39
this is an amazing set up.. holy shit am I excited cannot wait to see this
drbrown
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden442 Posts
April 27 2012 21:41 GMT
#40
Calling MC to win this one, korean protosses have showed many times that they are perfectly capable of dealing with Stephanos ZvP and MC is one of the strongest PvZ players in korea.
I'm probably being ironic
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
April 27 2012 21:41 GMT
#41
If Stephano has studied MC and knows to go for fast Hive and play safe, he has a chance, especially if MC's forcefields aren't up to par.

If he hasn't and the lag is minimal, MC will eat him for breakfast.
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
April 27 2012 21:43 GMT
#42
MC has never lost a game on vs Stephano, on either ladder or in a tournament

and the poll is 50/50....
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Shackadeemus
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland247 Posts
April 27 2012 21:46 GMT
#43
On April 28 2012 06:43 1Eris1 wrote:
MC has never lost a game on vs Stephano, on either ladder or in a tournament

and the poll is 50/50....

never lost on ladder? How could you possibly know that? You're just trying to stir shit.
Pirate-bird ftw.
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
April 27 2012 21:46 GMT
#44
On April 28 2012 06:43 1Eris1 wrote:
MC has never lost a game on vs Stephano, on either ladder or in a tournament

and the poll is 50/50....


It could be Stephano vs Flash in a BW best of 11 and 30% of TL would still vote for Stephano.
edwahn
Profile Joined March 2011
New Zealand121 Posts
April 27 2012 21:47 GMT
#45
On April 28 2012 06:25 emis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 06:20 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 28 2012 06:09 emis wrote:
It's kinda sad seeing people preemptively make excuses about cross-server lag. Koreans have really good internet, top teams shouldn't have a problem playing on foreign servers.

I guess it's another good reason to say "Stephano doesn't legitimately beat Code S players", should he win the showmatch, even though he's proved it wrong on multiple occasions.


It's not being used as an excuse for MC theoretically losing in most cases. People, me included, feel that lag ruins the legitimacy of anyone's win because it's just not proper conditions to be playing the game.

You could make both players play with their feet if you wanted and sure they'd both have an even playing feel but it wouldn't be a proper game.

Just listen to the pundits on SOTG when they talked about TSL4 and they mentioned it as well on the show before that. Cross server games are just bad for everyone, players and spectators regardless of who wins.

And you should stop denying that lag exists. I get 250ms connecting to NA from EU and I have good internet and am in western Europe. You can't play the game properly with 250ms.


I'm not denying the lag, I just don't think it's game changing. See my edited post.

EDIT: And I'm playing on NA from Estonia with a shitty connection. I don't get any lag whatsoever.


Koreans practice with NO lag. Their definition of no lag is also different to yours.. their KR server is basically LAN-level ping.

It's like practicing your micro on single player vs AI (zero lag) and suddenly going to 200+ ping. It makes a massive difference.

Why don't you try practicing your micro on single player vs AI for 80 hours then jump into a cross server game and see how it feels? See if it doesn't affect your game at all.
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
April 27 2012 21:49 GMT
#46
stephano will destroy this arrogant guy.

go go stephano~~
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
April 27 2012 21:49 GMT
#47
On April 28 2012 05:41 bpat wrote:
MC has a 5-0 record vs Stephano and almost never loses PvZ, this should be pretty easy for him.


Plus his trophy is much bigger! But I don't think it'll be a shut out.

And I'm not sure how bad the lag is going to be for either player.

In an ideal situation, neither player would experience any lag... but if there's lag on both sides, I think that missing forcefields can be more game-ending than anything so common and drastic on the Zerg's side, so MC would be in a slightly worse position

MC fighting!!!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
AzureD
Profile Joined September 2010
United States320 Posts
April 27 2012 21:50 GMT
#48
Lag will likely ruin these games. Calling it now.

Anyway Stephano is like a slightly weaker DRG. From watching both of them play I can certainly see Stephano taking some games off him. I don't expect him to win though. I think Stephano has better ZvP than say Leenock or Nestea.
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 22:01:34
April 27 2012 22:00 GMT
#49
As a Stephano big fan, i'm gonna say MC wins 5-2(3)

Yeah, MC is that good.
ibo422
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium2844 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 22:02:52
April 27 2012 22:00 GMT
#50
If they play on EU (I think both are on EU atm? I could be wrong) MC will win 5-0 or 5-1. If they play on NA it might be close but still MC has the edge. Lets say 5-3 or 5-4. MC forcefields are just too good!
UndoneJin
Profile Joined February 2011
United States438 Posts
April 27 2012 22:06 GMT
#51
This is the first time one of these FC showmatches made me go "oh shit, what a match." I'm actually legitimately a little excited
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Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
April 27 2012 22:07 GMT
#52
On April 28 2012 06:46 Shackadeemus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 06:43 1Eris1 wrote:
MC has never lost a game on vs Stephano, on either ladder or in a tournament

and the poll is 50/50....

never lost on ladder? How could you possibly know that? You're just trying to stir shit.

Actually, he's right.

When Stephano was in Korea 5 months ago, I used to see each session of his stream on korea ladder.

And he lost every time he played against MC... Except for this one time when MC accidentely picked random and ended up with zerg, this one, stephano won.

Anyway, you can see on Stephano match history that he's been practicing a lot with Bling and Mana these past 2 days (and winning most of the matchs), but they're miles away from MC in PvZ, so...I don't know.
Talionis
Profile Joined November 2010
Scotland4085 Posts
April 27 2012 22:08 GMT
#53
Siiiiiick. I can see it being a bit closer than their past encounters . Maybe 5-3 with MC winning, can't see it getting much closer than that.
JohnMatrix
Profile Joined April 2011
France1356 Posts
April 27 2012 22:14 GMT
#54
MC is the best PvZ player in the world along with Squirtle. Its going to be tough for Stephano
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
April 27 2012 22:23 GMT
#55
On April 28 2012 05:25 emis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 05:20 mordk wrote:
MC 5-0 Stephano

you really think it's gonna be that bad?

I hope so at least
drbrown
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden442 Posts
April 27 2012 22:33 GMT
#56
On April 28 2012 07:23 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 05:25 emis wrote:
On April 28 2012 05:20 mordk wrote:
MC 5-0 Stephano

you really think it's gonna be that bad?

I hope so at least


Why would you hope for a onesided showmatch, that's stupid
I'm probably being ironic
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
April 27 2012 22:36 GMT
#57
MC gonna mind trick Stephano, even though I think Stephano is overall better.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 22:39:04
April 27 2012 22:38 GMT
#58
On April 28 2012 06:46 Shackadeemus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 06:43 1Eris1 wrote:
MC has never lost a game on vs Stephano, on either ladder or in a tournament

and the poll is 50/50....

never lost on ladder? How could you possibly know that? You're just trying to stir shit.



Nah, he played something like 3-4 games vs MC on the Korean ladder, MC won all of them. It's all over Stephano's fanclub. Otherwise, MC has won every tournament game they've played. Yeah I guess if MC has played on an alt or something like that but I highly doubt it, since he has his premier accounts.
And nah, just observing how biased/ridiculous some people are.

On April 28 2012 07:36 figq wrote:
MC gonna mind trick Stephano, even though I think Stephano is overall better.


Case and point.
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
jianming
Profile Joined November 2011
149 Posts
April 27 2012 22:39 GMT
#59
On April 28 2012 07:36 figq wrote:
MC gonna mind trick Stephano, even though I think Stephano is overall better.


You think Stephano is better than MC? Stephano has never beaten MC, and doesn't have a great record vs Koreans, especially Code S Koreans.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
April 27 2012 22:40 GMT
#60
On April 28 2012 07:38 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 07:36 figq wrote:
MC gonna mind trick Stephano, even though I think Stephano is overall better.
Case and point.
What exactly is your case? I didn't mean their 1-on-1.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
April 27 2012 22:43 GMT
#61
On April 28 2012 07:36 figq wrote:
MC gonna mind trick Stephano, even though I think Stephano is overall better.


Yes, MC has won more than double Stephano's earnings and beaten him easily every time they've played because he's a worse player. MC has also won 2 Premier Tournaments this year to Stephano's zero because he's a worse player. That's how it works.
Xanderk
Profile Joined November 2010
United States51 Posts
April 27 2012 22:45 GMT
#62
MC 5-3
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
April 27 2012 22:46 GMT
#63
On April 28 2012 07:40 figq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 07:38 1Eris1 wrote:
On April 28 2012 07:36 figq wrote:
MC gonna mind trick Stephano, even though I think Stephano is overall better.
Case and point.
What exactly is your case? I didn't mean their 1-on-1.


And how do you justify this? MC has far more accomplishments, far more boX wins against top level korean players, a much higher overall winrate vs korean players, etc
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
zeeQue
Profile Joined March 2010
United Kingdom184 Posts
April 27 2012 22:47 GMT
#64
Despite everything, still think Stephano will win.... Gut feelings are never wrong...... Right?! O_o
latan
Profile Joined July 2010
740 Posts
April 27 2012 22:49 GMT
#65
finally a true test for stephano's zvp. i think he'll take it.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
April 27 2012 22:51 GMT
#66
On April 28 2012 07:46 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 07:40 figq wrote:
On April 28 2012 07:38 1Eris1 wrote:
On April 28 2012 07:36 figq wrote:
MC gonna mind trick Stephano, even though I think Stephano is overall better.
Case and point.
What exactly is your case? I didn't mean their 1-on-1.


And how do you justify this? MC has far more accomplishments, far more boX wins against top level korean players, a much higher overall winrate vs korean players, etc
Agreed, and I'm an MC fan, however I consider his style more unstable, he has a tendency to fall off deeply, because of it. Potentially the style of Stephano is more solid, even though he obviously hasn't accomplished anything near MC yet.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
April 27 2012 22:52 GMT
#67
On April 28 2012 07:33 drbrown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 07:23 mordk wrote:
On April 28 2012 05:25 emis wrote:
On April 28 2012 05:20 mordk wrote:
MC 5-0 Stephano

you really think it's gonna be that bad?

I hope so at least


Why would you hope for a onesided showmatch, that's stupid

?.. I just want MC to show insane PvZ

If it's one sided or not I don't really care
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
April 27 2012 22:56 GMT
#68
Never cared much about Stephano winning before, but please please win this.
Pipeline
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1673 Posts
April 27 2012 23:01 GMT
#69
With no zergs in code S I do really wish for a Stephano victory.

Im going to be sick of all the PvT's as it is! Gogo Stephano.

5-3 victory!
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
April 27 2012 23:03 GMT
#70
On April 28 2012 05:25 emis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 05:20 mordk wrote:
MC 5-0 Stephano

you really think it's gonna be that bad?


Well stephano hasn't ever beaten MC in non ladder games as far as I know, I don't think it'll be 5-0 more like 4-1 probably. Don't see stephano beating MC
When I think of something else, something will go here
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
April 27 2012 23:04 GMT
#71
On April 28 2012 07:46 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 07:40 figq wrote:
On April 28 2012 07:38 1Eris1 wrote:
On April 28 2012 07:36 figq wrote:
MC gonna mind trick Stephano, even though I think Stephano is overall better.
Case and point.
What exactly is your case? I didn't mean their 1-on-1.


And how do you justify this? MC has far more accomplishments, far more boX wins against top level korean players, a much higher overall winrate vs korean players, etc

Case and Point.

Back to your, sir.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
April 27 2012 23:06 GMT
#72
Going to be one epic series I think. Two HUGE fan favorites, two PvZ masters and two overall bosses. But judging from MC's PvZ recently, I think it will be 5-3 for MC.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
obesemk
Profile Joined January 2010
Norway267 Posts
April 27 2012 23:09 GMT
#73
Stephano will take this, he's the better player.
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 23:14:49
April 27 2012 23:11 GMT
#74
On April 28 2012 08:04 Otolia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 07:46 1Eris1 wrote:
On April 28 2012 07:40 figq wrote:
On April 28 2012 07:38 1Eris1 wrote:
On April 28 2012 07:36 figq wrote:
MC gonna mind trick Stephano, even though I think Stephano is overall better.
Case and point.
What exactly is your case? I didn't mean their 1-on-1.


And how do you justify this? MC has far more accomplishments, far more boX wins against top level korean players, a much higher overall winrate vs korean players, etc

Case and Point.

Back to your, sir.


Yeah, you have no point whatsoever. Unless you're agreeing with me that some Stephano fans are ridiculous in their bias?
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
MicroTastiC
Profile Joined January 2011
375 Posts
April 27 2012 23:11 GMT
#75
this gonna be good and MC will probably take it, like he beaten stephano before in homestory cup
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
April 27 2012 23:13 GMT
#76
On April 28 2012 08:09 obesemk wrote:
Stephano will take this, he's the better player.


On the basis of what?
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 23:20:18
April 27 2012 23:17 GMT
#77
On April 28 2012 08:11 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 08:04 Otolia wrote:
On April 28 2012 07:46 1Eris1 wrote:
On April 28 2012 07:40 figq wrote:
On April 28 2012 07:38 1Eris1 wrote:
On April 28 2012 07:36 figq wrote:
MC gonna mind trick Stephano, even though I think Stephano is overall better.
Case and point.
What exactly is your case? I didn't mean their 1-on-1.


And how do you justify this? MC has far more accomplishments, far more boX wins against top level korean players, a much higher overall winrate vs korean players, etc

Case and Point.

Back to your, sir.


Yeah, you have no point whatsoever. Unless you're agreeing with me that some Stephano fans are ridiculous in their bias?


I'm pretty sure he's not agreeing with you. If I recall correctly, I tried arguing with Otolia before and he's one of those insufferable Stephano fanboys that logic doesn't work on (if I am misremembering then I apologize, but I'm 90% sure it's him). It's a waste of time unless you enjoy bashing your head against a brick wall.

And I like Stephano. I think he's an incredibly talented player, one of the best foreigners, and I admire his attitude toward the game. But there's absolutely no basis for how highly some people rate him (best player in the world, or something along those lines)
jianming
Profile Joined November 2011
149 Posts
April 27 2012 23:22 GMT
#78
Ok Stephano fanboys... Please tell me 5 Code S players Stephano has beaten in his career, to justify this "better than 2 time GSL champion and all time money list leader."

He beat Curious in IPL4.
DRG in Blizzard Cup.

Any more?

Did he beat Polt (the Code A guy who only got into Code S because of a seed) when he was in Code S?
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
April 27 2012 23:27 GMT
#79
On April 28 2012 08:17 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 08:11 1Eris1 wrote:
On April 28 2012 08:04 Otolia wrote:
On April 28 2012 07:46 1Eris1 wrote:
On April 28 2012 07:40 figq wrote:
On April 28 2012 07:38 1Eris1 wrote:
On April 28 2012 07:36 figq wrote:
MC gonna mind trick Stephano, even though I think Stephano is overall better.
Case and point.
What exactly is your case? I didn't mean their 1-on-1.


And how do you justify this? MC has far more accomplishments, far more boX wins against top level korean players, a much higher overall winrate vs korean players, etc

Case and Point.

Back to your, sir.


Yeah, you have no point whatsoever. Unless you're agreeing with me that some Stephano fans are ridiculous in their bias?


I'm pretty sure he's not agreeing with you. If I recall correctly, I tried arguing with Otolia before and he's one of those insufferable Stephano fanboys that logic doesn't work on (if I am misremembering then I apologize, but I'm 90% sure it's him). It's a waste of time unless you enjoy bashing your head against a brick wall.

And I like Stephano. I think he's an incredibly talented player, one of the best foreigners, and I admire his attitude toward the game. But there's absolutely no basis for how highly some people rate him (best player in the world, or something along those lines)


Well, logic people commonly use to determine the "better player" is ridiculously flawed most of the time. Specifically when it comes to past results and accomplishments.

Unless one player happens to be overwhelmingly better than the other to the point where it's blatantly obvious, most arguments for who's the better player are just as bad as having no arguments at all and going by gut feeling instead.

Such statements are only worth considering when they come from other progamers anyway.
Sra
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands75 Posts
April 27 2012 23:27 GMT
#80
can somebody tell me how many hours from now this is? i suck at time zones
dunno
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 23:55:31
April 27 2012 23:28 GMT
#81
On April 28 2012 08:11 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 08:04 Otolia wrote:
On April 28 2012 07:46 1Eris1 wrote:
On April 28 2012 07:40 figq wrote:
On April 28 2012 07:38 1Eris1 wrote:
On April 28 2012 07:36 figq wrote:
MC gonna mind trick Stephano, even though I think Stephano is overall better.
Case and point.
What exactly is your case? I didn't mean their 1-on-1.


And how do you justify this? MC has far more accomplishments, far more boX wins against top level korean players, a much higher overall winrate vs korean players, etc

Case and Point.

Back to your, sir.


Yeah, you have no point whatsoever. Unless you're agreeing with me that some Stephano fans are ridiculous in their bias?

I'm asking for your proofs, to hold you to the same standards you hold other people.

Accomplishment can be given to MC without a doubt.
MC is in Korea and statistically plays more against Koreans, so that's not much of an argument.
So I let you source your proofs for the 3rd point.

PS : I should have written "Case and Point ?" My apologies.


On April 28 2012 08:17 HolyArrow wrote:
I'm pretty sure he's not agreeing with you. If I recall correctly, I tried arguing with Otolia before and he's one of those insufferable Stephano fanboys that logic doesn't work on (if I am misremembering then I apologize, but I'm 90% sure it's him). It's a waste of time unless you enjoy bashing your head against a brick wall.

And I like Stephano. I think he's an incredibly talented player, one of the best foreigners, and I admire his attitude toward the game. But there's absolutely no basis for how highly some people rate him (best player in the world, or something along those lines)

When his opponent in this showmatch himself is saying that Stephano is in the top 3 for zerg worldwide (Source), I believe he has a strong insight and knowledge of the game. Maybe your insight is superior to MC's one but you will have to write something better than insulting me for pointing out how little you develop to sustain your case and how much you try to smear people's name.

Aside from that, I welcome you into the list of people I should get rid of once I seize control of TL.
Ouga
Profile Joined March 2008
Finland645 Posts
April 27 2012 23:34 GMT
#82
Wow. I usually don't give a shit about showmatches, but this could just be the most interesting match there is. Mostly since MC claims pvz is so easy and stephano says toss has no chance. How often do pros claim their race is overpowered in some matchup? Well, only one of them can win. I just hope the stakes are enough for both to show all they got.
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
April 27 2012 23:34 GMT
#83
That would be in about 24 hours and 26 minutes from this post.
Sra
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands75 Posts
April 27 2012 23:36 GMT
#84
ah thx, i didnt set my timezone on my profile now it shows local time
dunno
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
April 27 2012 23:40 GMT
#85
MC's PvZ is not exactly unbeatable - he's 55% Korea and 72% International, with a 50% win rate vs. Zerg in his last tournament, where he won 3-0 vs. DRG, then lost 1-2 to Violet, and 1-3 to DRG when they rematched. Stephano is no worse than Violet in ZvP and has a 72% win rate in ZvP International. But, MC has learned from his mistakes vs. Violet and DRG, whereas Stephano hasn't lost against a Protoss in tournaments after IPL 4.

Style-wise, Stephano barely uses mutas in the match up, and prefers infestor heavy play. In this he's different from DRG and other Korean Zergs, who love their muta switches. What he shares with them is the policy of going mass roaches on three bases to deny a Protoss third. This latter style, MC knows how to exploit, and his templar control - provided he goes it - is better than EU Protosses, making his late game play better vs. Stephano's infestor heavy style.

Predictions-wise, I'm going to give the advantage to MC. He's got an excellent understanding of two base timings and how to play them, great templar control to counter infestors, and solid defense vs. three hatch roach.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 23:41:14
April 27 2012 23:40 GMT
#86
lolol compare trophy sizes
On April 28 2012 08:28 Otolia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 08:27 Sra wrote:
can somebody tell me how many hours from now this is? i suck at time zones

No you fail at reading. From the original post : Sunday, Apr 29 2:00am CEST

PS : CEST stands for Central European Summer Time. Id est your time in the Netherlands.


Maybe the dude hasn't activated the time zone feature in TL yet, chill bro
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Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
April 27 2012 23:40 GMT
#87
On April 28 2012 08:22 jianming wrote:
Ok Stephano fanboys... Please tell me 5 Code S players Stephano has beaten in his career, to justify this "better than 2 time GSL champion and all time money list leader."

He beat Curious in IPL4.
DRG in Blizzard Cup.

Any more?

Did he beat Polt (the Code A guy who only got into Code S because of a seed) when he was in Code S?


MKP, Curious, DRG, Polt, HerO.
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
April 27 2012 23:42 GMT
#88
stephano is a better player than MC, but MC is more gimmicky.

i hope stephano find a way for beating MC's gimmicky play.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
April 27 2012 23:42 GMT
#89
At least if (when) Stephano loses, he'll be able to interview MC like this:
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
jianming
Profile Joined November 2011
149 Posts
April 27 2012 23:43 GMT
#90
On April 28 2012 08:40 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 08:22 jianming wrote:
Ok Stephano fanboys... Please tell me 5 Code S players Stephano has beaten in his career, to justify this "better than 2 time GSL champion and all time money list leader."

He beat Curious in IPL4.
DRG in Blizzard Cup.

Any more?

Did he beat Polt (the Code A guy who only got into Code S because of a seed) when he was in Code S?


MKP, Curious, DRG, Polt, HerO.


Events?
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
April 27 2012 23:45 GMT
#91
On April 28 2012 08:43 jianming wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 08:40 Azarkon wrote:
On April 28 2012 08:22 jianming wrote:
Ok Stephano fanboys... Please tell me 5 Code S players Stephano has beaten in his career, to justify this "better than 2 time GSL champion and all time money list leader."

He beat Curious in IPL4.
DRG in Blizzard Cup.

Any more?

Did he beat Polt (the Code A guy who only got into Code S because of a seed) when he was in Code S?


MKP, Curious, DRG, Polt, HerO.


Events?

ESWC - mkp
blizzard cup - HerO,DRG
IPL 4 - Curious
Lone Star - Polt
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 23:46:53
April 27 2012 23:46 GMT
#92
On April 28 2012 08:43 jianming wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 08:40 Azarkon wrote:
On April 28 2012 08:22 jianming wrote:
Ok Stephano fanboys... Please tell me 5 Code S players Stephano has beaten in his career, to justify this "better than 2 time GSL champion and all time money list leader."

He beat Curious in IPL4.
DRG in Blizzard Cup.

Any more?

Did he beat Polt (the Code A guy who only got into Code S because of a seed) when he was in Code S?


MKP, Curious, DRG, Polt, HerO.


Events?


ESWC, IPL 4, GSL Blizzard Cup, Lonestar Clash, GSL Blizzard Cup.

All LANs.
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 02:24:56
April 27 2012 23:48 GMT
#93
Miscounted, check next post
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
jianming
Profile Joined November 2011
149 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 23:53:06
April 27 2012 23:51 GMT
#94
On April 28 2012 08:46 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 08:43 jianming wrote:
On April 28 2012 08:40 Azarkon wrote:
On April 28 2012 08:22 jianming wrote:
Ok Stephano fanboys... Please tell me 5 Code S players Stephano has beaten in his career, to justify this "better than 2 time GSL champion and all time money list leader."

He beat Curious in IPL4.
DRG in Blizzard Cup.

Any more?

Did he beat Polt (the Code A guy who only got into Code S because of a seed) when he was in Code S?


MKP, Curious, DRG, Polt, HerO.


Events?


ESWC, IPL 4, GSL Blizzard Cup, Lonestar Clash, GSL Blizzard Cup.

All LANs.



Hero was not in Code S during Blizzard Cup.
Polt was Code A during Lonestar.

Edit: Stephano has definitely proved that he can compete with Code S players, especially lower tiered ones, but to say he is better than MC is ridiculous. He has done absolutely nothing to prove that.
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
April 27 2012 23:52 GMT
#95
If lag doesn't affect MC too much, then he's got this pretty easily as the far superior player, so hopefully he's able to overcome this handicap.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
April 27 2012 23:54 GMT
#96
On April 28 2012 08:40 opterown wrote:
lolol compare trophy sizes
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 08:28 Otolia wrote:
On April 28 2012 08:27 Sra wrote:
can somebody tell me how many hours from now this is? i suck at time zones

No you fail at reading. From the original post : Sunday, Apr 29 2:00am CEST

PS : CEST stands for Central European Summer Time. Id est your time in the Netherlands.


Maybe the dude hasn't activated the time zone feature in TL yet, chill bro

You are right. I made a mistake.
ninjamyst
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1903 Posts
April 27 2012 23:57 GMT
#97
will stephano even show up? lol
Zeetee
Profile Joined December 2010
United States153 Posts
April 27 2012 23:58 GMT
#98
can't imagine MC losing this
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 00:07:11
April 28 2012 00:04 GMT
#99
On April 28 2012 08:51 jianming wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 08:46 Azarkon wrote:
On April 28 2012 08:43 jianming wrote:
On April 28 2012 08:40 Azarkon wrote:
On April 28 2012 08:22 jianming wrote:
Ok Stephano fanboys... Please tell me 5 Code S players Stephano has beaten in his career, to justify this "better than 2 time GSL champion and all time money list leader."

He beat Curious in IPL4.
DRG in Blizzard Cup.

Any more?

Did he beat Polt (the Code A guy who only got into Code S because of a seed) when he was in Code S?


MKP, Curious, DRG, Polt, HerO.


Events?


ESWC, IPL 4, GSL Blizzard Cup, Lonestar Clash, GSL Blizzard Cup.

All LANs.



Hero was not in Code S during Blizzard Cup.
Polt was Code A during Lonestar.


Oh, you mean people who were in Code S at the time he played them.

Well, Polt's still there, because was seeded into Code S right before Lone Star.

Instead of HerO, put Zenio.

Edit: Stephano has definitely proved that he can compete with Code S players, especially lower tiered ones, but to say he is better than MC is ridiculous. He has done absolutely nothing to prove that.


He's not better than MC.
ibo422
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium2844 Posts
April 28 2012 00:07 GMT
#100
On April 28 2012 08:57 ninjamyst wrote:
will stephano even show up? lol


That's a pretty good question!
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 00:12:58
April 28 2012 00:12 GMT
#101
On April 28 2012 08:57 ninjamyst wrote:
will stephano even show up? lol

Well, here is one of his tweet from 12 hours ago :

"I have some "important" matches to prepare today so I don't think i'll be able to stream, sorry"

At least, he's taking this thing a little bit seriously, and therefore, will probably show up :p
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 28 2012 00:15 GMT
#102
MC wins. He crushed Violet last week so convincingly I have to give him the advantage. But this will be a great series.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
jianming
Profile Joined November 2011
149 Posts
April 28 2012 00:17 GMT
#103
On April 28 2012 09:04 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 08:51 jianming wrote:
On April 28 2012 08:46 Azarkon wrote:
On April 28 2012 08:43 jianming wrote:
On April 28 2012 08:40 Azarkon wrote:
On April 28 2012 08:22 jianming wrote:
Ok Stephano fanboys... Please tell me 5 Code S players Stephano has beaten in his career, to justify this "better than 2 time GSL champion and all time money list leader."

He beat Curious in IPL4.
DRG in Blizzard Cup.

Any more?

Did he beat Polt (the Code A guy who only got into Code S because of a seed) when he was in Code S?


MKP, Curious, DRG, Polt, HerO.


Events?


ESWC, IPL 4, GSL Blizzard Cup, Lonestar Clash, GSL Blizzard Cup.

All LANs.



Hero was not in Code S during Blizzard Cup.
Polt was Code A during Lonestar.


Oh, you mean people who were in Code S at the time he played them.

Well, Polt's still there, because was seeded into Code S right before Lone Star.

Instead of HerO, put Zenio.

Show nested quote +
Edit: Stephano has definitely proved that he can compete with Code S players, especially lower tiered ones, but to say he is better than MC is ridiculous. He has done absolutely nothing to prove that.


He's not better than MC.


Still don't think Polt counts, because he wasn't in Code S at the time, and was only there because of a seed, but I'm guessing a few more could be named anyway. The point I was getting at was that Stephano hasn't really beaten many top Koreans in his career (yet), so hasn't really proved he can be considered better than some of the best in the world.
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
April 28 2012 00:19 GMT
#104
On April 28 2012 08:48 1Eris1 wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=640&part=games&league=standard
42-36 vs Koreans since the start of 2012
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=640&part=games&league=standard
16-12 vs Koreans since the start of 2012

58-48 vs Koreans

compared to
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1996&part=games&league=standard#tblt-11037-5-1-DESC

32-39 vs Koreans since the start of 2012

55% vs 45%.
Nevermind the fact that majority of Stephano's oppenenst have been guys like Polt who can't even stay in Code A, where as MC is consistently going up against the cream of Code S


Good, let me bring some more infos. We can't take GSL into account because it's a preparation based league where Stephano didn't play yet. Results are very dependent from coaching and build orders so we have to measure things in an equal field. HSC was more of a party for most foreigners. And even though we consider it premier in LP, it's only due to the innovation and the entertainment value. Still I included it.

International Stats for MC in 2012: 2-0 TheStC, 1-2 PartinG, 0-2 GanZi, 3-0 viOlet, 3-2 PuMa, 0-2 MKP, 1-2 GanZi, 2-1 crazymovING, 2-1 Polt, 2-0 Symbol, 2-0 MVP, 2-0 PuMa, 0-2 Polt, 1-2 Squirtle, 0-2 Creator, 2-3 aLive, 3-0 DRG, 1-2 Heart, 0-3 GanZi, 1-2 viOlet, 2-1 MKP, 2-1 PartinG, 1-3 DRG

Total : 31 - 33

HSC IV : 0-2 MKP, 3-2 JYP, 4-0 Sound -> 7-4

International Stats for Stephano in 2012 : 3-2 Polt, 3-2 viOlet, 2-0 HyuN, 3-0 PuMa, 1-4 Polt, 2-0 Zenio, 0-2 Polt, 5-2 Polt, 1-2 Polt, 1-2 Inori, 1-2 Life, 1-2 MKP, 2-1 JYP, 2-1 Curious, 1-2 NesTea, 0-2 MMA

Total : 28 - 26

HSC : 0-2 Sound, 0-2 MKP, 0-2 MC

And I'm not even removing online games which are different from offline ones (though I guess it would work in MC's favor)

Conclusion : Results are very similar. You cannot based your conclusion on that unless you want to win an internet argument. Without HSC, Stephano has a winning record and MC a losing one, with it it's reversed.
Soulrahj
Profile Joined January 2012
21 Posts
April 28 2012 00:36 GMT
#105
i really enjoy this showmatch with this two great players but i think i don't go read this thread during the match. Too much agressives haters and gosu analyst for me :D
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 02:27:37
April 28 2012 00:37 GMT
#106
On April 28 2012 09:19 Otolia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 08:48 1Eris1 wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=640&part=games&league=standard
42-36 vs Koreans since the start of 2012
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=640&part=games&league=standard
16-12 vs Koreans since the start of 2012

58-48 vs Koreans

compared to
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1996&part=games&league=standard#tblt-11037-5-1-DESC

32-39 vs Koreans since the start of 2012

55% vs 45%.
Nevermind the fact that majority of Stephano's oppenenst have been guys like Polt who can't even stay in Code A, where as MC is consistently going up against the cream of Code S


Good, let me bring some more infos. We can't take GSL into account because it's a preparation based league where Stephano didn't play yet. Results are very dependent from coaching and build orders so we have to measure things in an equal field. HSC was more of a party for most foreigners. And even though we consider it premier in LP, it's only due to the innovation and the entertainment value. Still I included it.

International Stats for MC in 2012: 2-0 TheStC, 1-2 PartinG, 0-2 GanZi, 3-0 viOlet, 3-2 PuMa, 0-2 MKP, 1-2 GanZi, 2-1 crazymovING, 2-1 Polt, 2-0 Symbol, 2-0 MVP, 2-0 PuMa, 0-2 Polt, 1-2 Squirtle, 0-2 Creator, 2-3 aLive, 3-0 DRG, 1-2 Heart, 0-3 GanZi, 1-2 viOlet, 2-1 MKP, 2-1 PartinG, 1-3 DRG

Total : 31 - 33

HSC IV : 0-2 MKP, 3-2 JYP, 4-0 Sound -> 7-4

International Stats for Stephano in 2012 : 3-2 Polt, 3-2 viOlet, 2-0 HyuN, 3-0 PuMa, 1-4 Polt, 2-0 Zenio, 0-2 Polt, 5-2 Polt, 1-2 Polt, 1-2 Inori, 1-2 Life, 1-2 MKP, 2-1 JYP, 2-1 Curious, 1-2 NesTea, 0-2 MMA

Total : 28 - 26

HSC : 0-2 Sound, 0-2 MKP, 0-2 MC

And I'm not even removing online games which are different from offline ones (though I guess it would work in MC's favor)

Conclusion : Results are very similar. You cannot based your conclusion on that unless you want to win an internet argument. Without HSC, Stephano has a winning record and MC a losing one, with it it's reversed.


Is this some kind of joke? I linked the 2012 games for you and you managed to miscount them, jesus christ.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=640&part=games&league=standard
MC's vs Koreans in foreign tournaments:
+ Show Spoiler +
1-3 vs DRG
2-1 vs Parting
2-1 vs MKP
1-2 Violet
0-3 vs Ganzi
1-2 vs Heart
3-0 vs DRG
2-3 vs Alive
0-2 vs Creator
1-2 vs Squirtle
0-2 vs Polt
2-0 vs Puma
2-0 vs MVP
2-0 vs Symbol
2-1 vs Polt
2-1 vs CrazyMoving
1-2 vs Ganzi
0-2 vs MKP
3-2 vs Puma
3-0 vs Violet
0-2 vs Ganzi
1-2 vs Parting
2-0 vs theSTC
4-0 vs Sound
3-2 vs JYP
0-2 vs MKP


40-37. Even without HSC you're still off here...
Stephano vs Koreans, 2012, http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1996&part=games&league=standard#tblt-4105-4-1-DESC
+ Show Spoiler +
0-2 vs MMA
1-2 vs Nestea
2-0 vs Bomber
2-1 vs Curious
2-1 vs JYP
1-2 vs MKP
0-2 vs Jjakji
1-2 vs Life
1-2 vs Inori
1-2 vs Polt
5-2 vs Polt
0-1 vs Alive
0-2 vs Polt
2-0 vs Zenio
1-4 vs Polt
3-0 vs puma
2-0 vs TypeReal (not even sure who this, but he has a Korean flag)
2-0 vs Inori
2-0 vs Hyun
3-2 vs Violet
3-2 vs Polt
0-2 vs MKP
0-2 vs MC (lolol)
0-2 vs Sound


34-35. Where are you getting 28-26 from?

And how are you not going to count GSL games? What a bullshit excuse. It seems the only way you can make an arguement is by cherrypicking results or falsifying stats.
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
April 28 2012 00:39 GMT
#107
Very nice matchup! I think everyone wanted to see Stephano vs a top Korean protoss after his PvZ got so good.
A-p-p-l-e-s
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada314 Posts
April 28 2012 00:57 GMT
#108
Mc take this so easily gogo mc!
jianming
Profile Joined November 2011
149 Posts
April 28 2012 00:58 GMT
#109
On April 28 2012 09:37 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 09:19 Otolia wrote:
On April 28 2012 08:48 1Eris1 wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=640&part=games&league=standard
42-36 vs Koreans since the start of 2012
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=640&part=games&league=standard
16-12 vs Koreans since the start of 2012

58-48 vs Koreans

compared to
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1996&part=games&league=standard#tblt-11037-5-1-DESC

32-39 vs Koreans since the start of 2012

55% vs 45%.
Nevermind the fact that majority of Stephano's oppenenst have been guys like Polt who can't even stay in Code A, where as MC is consistently going up against the cream of Code S


Good, let me bring some more infos. We can't take GSL into account because it's a preparation based league where Stephano didn't play yet. Results are very dependent from coaching and build orders so we have to measure things in an equal field. HSC was more of a party for most foreigners. And even though we consider it premier in LP, it's only due to the innovation and the entertainment value. Still I included it.

International Stats for MC in 2012: 2-0 TheStC, 1-2 PartinG, 0-2 GanZi, 3-0 viOlet, 3-2 PuMa, 0-2 MKP, 1-2 GanZi, 2-1 crazymovING, 2-1 Polt, 2-0 Symbol, 2-0 MVP, 2-0 PuMa, 0-2 Polt, 1-2 Squirtle, 0-2 Creator, 2-3 aLive, 3-0 DRG, 1-2 Heart, 0-3 GanZi, 1-2 viOlet, 2-1 MKP, 2-1 PartinG, 1-3 DRG

Total : 31 - 33

HSC IV : 0-2 MKP, 3-2 JYP, 4-0 Sound -> 7-4

International Stats for Stephano in 2012 : 3-2 Polt, 3-2 viOlet, 2-0 HyuN, 3-0 PuMa, 1-4 Polt, 2-0 Zenio, 0-2 Polt, 5-2 Polt, 1-2 Polt, 1-2 Inori, 1-2 Life, 1-2 MKP, 2-1 JYP, 2-1 Curious, 1-2 NesTea, 0-2 MMA

Total : 28 - 26

HSC : 0-2 Sound, 0-2 MKP, 0-2 MC

And I'm not even removing online games which are different from offline ones (though I guess it would work in MC's favor)

Conclusion : Results are very similar. You cannot based your conclusion on that unless you want to win an internet argument. Without HSC, Stephano has a winning record and MC a losing one, with it it's reversed.


Is this some kind of joke? I linked the 2012 games for you and you managed to miscount them, jesus christ.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=640&part=games&league=standard
MC's vs Koreans in foreign tournaments:
+ Show Spoiler +
1-3 vs DRG
2-1 vs Parting
2-1 vs MKP
1-2 Violet
0-3 vs Ganzi
1-2 vs Heart
3-0 vs DRG
2-3 vs Alive
0-2 vs Creator
1-2 vs Squirtle
0-2 vs Polt
2-0 vs Puma
2-0 vs MVP
2-0 vs Symbol
2-1 vs Polt
2-1 vs CrazyMoving
1-2 vs Ganzi
0-2 vs MKP
3-2 vs Puma
3-0 vs Violet
0-2 vs Ganzi
1-2 vs Parting
2-0 vs theSTC
4-0 vs Sound
3-2 vs JYP
0-2 vs MKP


40-37. Looks like I was off by a couple here. You were off by 10+.

Stephano vs Koreans, 2012, http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1996&part=games&league=standard#tblt-4105-4-1-DESC
+ Show Spoiler +
0-2 vs MMA
1-2 vs Nestea
2-1 vs Bomber
2-1 vs Curious
2-1 vs JYP
1-2 vs MKP
0-2 vs Jjakji
0-2 vs Life
1-2 vs Inori
1-2 vs Polt
4-2 vs Polt
0-1 vs Alive
0-2 vs Polt
2-0 vs Zenio
1-4 vs Polt
3-0 vs puma
2-0 vs TypeReal (not even sure who this, but he has a Korean flag)
2-0 vs Inori
2-0 vs Hyun
3-2 vs Violet
3-2 vs Polt
0-2 vs MKP
0-2 vs MC (lolol)
0-2 vs Sound


32-36. I accidently counted the Dream games wrong. Where the fuck are you getting 28-26 from?

And how the fuck are you not going to count GSL games? What a bullshit excuse. It seems the only way you can make an arguement is by cherrypicking results or falsifying stats.


Don't feed the trolls, or argue with mindless fanboys. Fact remains that Stephano has done (basically) nothing against top Koreans, and MC has. Maybe Stephano will start playing them more, and will be able to prove himself, but until he does that, it's impossible to say that Stephano is better than someone like MC (or any other top Korean).
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 01:02:02
April 28 2012 01:01 GMT
#110
On April 28 2012 09:12 Lasbike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 08:57 ninjamyst wrote:
will stephano even show up? lol

Well, here is one of his tweet from 12 hours ago :

"I have some "important" matches to prepare today so I don't think i'll be able to stream, sorry"

At least, he's taking this thing a little bit seriously, and therefore, will probably show up :p

I was already wondering why Stephano did not play ladder the last 2 days and played custom games instead.

Does anyone know with whom he practiced?
Off-season = best season
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
April 28 2012 01:04 GMT
#111
I think MC is favoured to win this one, he has a winning record against Stephano. Anyway should be a good test for Stephano.
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 01:17:05
April 28 2012 01:16 GMT
#112
On April 28 2012 10:01 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 09:12 Lasbike wrote:
On April 28 2012 08:57 ninjamyst wrote:
will stephano even show up? lol

Well, here is one of his tweet from 12 hours ago :

"I have some "important" matches to prepare today so I don't think i'll be able to stream, sorry"

At least, he's taking this thing a little bit seriously, and therefore, will probably show up :p

I was already wondering why Stephano did not play ladder the last 2 days and played custom games instead.

Does anyone know with whom he practiced?

bling, grubby and mana i believe.

Not sure.
Rayjin
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany205 Posts
April 28 2012 01:28 GMT
#113
In my opinion Stephano has the best ZvP at the moment ( Yes, i would put him above DRG in this Matchup ^^ ).

Overall MC is the better player, but i think he'll lose this battle.
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 01:35:41
April 28 2012 01:33 GMT
#114
On April 28 2012 09:37 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 09:19 Otolia wrote:
On April 28 2012 08:48 1Eris1 wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=640&part=games&league=standard
42-36 vs Koreans since the start of 2012
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=640&part=games&league=standard
16-12 vs Koreans since the start of 2012

58-48 vs Koreans

compared to
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1996&part=games&league=standard#tblt-11037-5-1-DESC

32-39 vs Koreans since the start of 2012

55% vs 45%.
Nevermind the fact that majority of Stephano's oppenenst have been guys like Polt who can't even stay in Code A, where as MC is consistently going up against the cream of Code S


Good, let me bring some more infos. We can't take GSL into account because it's a preparation based league where Stephano didn't play yet. Results are very dependent from coaching and build orders so we have to measure things in an equal field. HSC was more of a party for most foreigners. And even though we consider it premier in LP, it's only due to the innovation and the entertainment value. Still I included it.

International Stats for MC in 2012: 2-0 TheStC, 1-2 PartinG, 0-2 GanZi, 3-0 viOlet, 3-2 PuMa, 0-2 MKP, 1-2 GanZi, 2-1 crazymovING, 2-1 Polt, 2-0 Symbol, 2-0 MVP, 2-0 PuMa, 0-2 Polt, 1-2 Squirtle, 0-2 Creator, 2-3 aLive, 3-0 DRG, 1-2 Heart, 0-3 GanZi, 1-2 viOlet, 2-1 MKP, 2-1 PartinG, 1-3 DRG

Total : 31 - 33

HSC IV : 0-2 MKP, 3-2 JYP, 4-0 Sound -> 7-4

International Stats for Stephano in 2012 : 3-2 Polt, 3-2 viOlet, 2-0 HyuN, 3-0 PuMa, 1-4 Polt, 2-0 Zenio, 0-2 Polt, 5-2 Polt, 1-2 Polt, 1-2 Inori, 1-2 Life, 1-2 MKP, 2-1 JYP, 2-1 Curious, 1-2 NesTea, 0-2 MMA

Total : 28 - 26

HSC : 0-2 Sound, 0-2 MKP, 0-2 MC

And I'm not even removing online games which are different from offline ones (though I guess it would work in MC's favor)

Conclusion : Results are very similar. You cannot based your conclusion on that unless you want to win an internet argument. Without HSC, Stephano has a winning record and MC a losing one, with it it's reversed.


Is this some kind of joke? I linked the 2012 games for you and you managed to miscount them, jesus christ.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=640&part=games&league=standard
MC's vs Koreans in foreign tournaments:
+ Show Spoiler +
1-3 vs DRG
2-1 vs Parting
2-1 vs MKP
1-2 Violet
0-3 vs Ganzi
1-2 vs Heart
3-0 vs DRG
2-3 vs Alive
0-2 vs Creator
1-2 vs Squirtle
0-2 vs Polt
2-0 vs Puma
2-0 vs MVP
2-0 vs Symbol
2-1 vs Polt
2-1 vs CrazyMoving
1-2 vs Ganzi
0-2 vs MKP
3-2 vs Puma
3-0 vs Violet
0-2 vs Ganzi
1-2 vs Parting
2-0 vs theSTC
4-0 vs Sound
3-2 vs JYP
0-2 vs MKP


40-37. Looks like I was off by a couple here. You were off by 10+.

Stephano vs Koreans, 2012, http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1996&part=games&league=standard#tblt-4105-4-1-DESC
+ Show Spoiler +
0-2 vs MMA
1-2 vs Nestea
2-1 vs Bomber
2-1 vs Curious
2-1 vs JYP
1-2 vs MKP
0-2 vs Jjakji
0-2 vs Life
1-2 vs Inori
1-2 vs Polt
4-2 vs Polt
0-1 vs Alive
0-2 vs Polt
2-0 vs Zenio
1-4 vs Polt
3-0 vs puma
2-0 vs TypeReal (not even sure who this, but he has a Korean flag)
2-0 vs Inori
2-0 vs Hyun
3-2 vs Violet
3-2 vs Polt
0-2 vs MKP
0-2 vs MC (lolol)
0-2 vs Sound


32-36. I accidently counted the Dream games wrong. Where the fuck are you getting 28-26 from?

And how the fuck are you not going to count GSL games? What a bullshit excuse. It seems the only way you can make an arguement is by cherrypicking results or falsifying stats.

As planned, you are more looking to impose your point of view. I'm going to walk away now but I'm sure we'll meet again. Until then I recommend you get a scientific education which could allow you to understand why comparison between things needs to have equivalent (or if it's impossible very similar) system.

PS : You pretend to know stuff but you don't know ReaL ?! And I am the ignorant fanboy ... This is glorious.

On April 28 2012 09:58 jianming wrote:
Don't feed the trolls, or argue with mindless fanboys. Fact remains that Stephano has done (basically) nothing against top Koreans, and MC has. Maybe Stephano will start playing them more, and will be able to prove himself, but until he does that, it's impossible to say that Stephano is better than someone like MC (or any other top Korean).

Dear jianming, I wish you the same destiny as Seraphone. XOXO
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
April 28 2012 01:35 GMT
#115
On April 28 2012 10:33 Otolia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 09:37 1Eris1 wrote:
On April 28 2012 09:19 Otolia wrote:
On April 28 2012 08:48 1Eris1 wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=640&part=games&league=standard
42-36 vs Koreans since the start of 2012
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=640&part=games&league=standard
16-12 vs Koreans since the start of 2012

58-48 vs Koreans

compared to
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1996&part=games&league=standard#tblt-11037-5-1-DESC

32-39 vs Koreans since the start of 2012

55% vs 45%.
Nevermind the fact that majority of Stephano's oppenenst have been guys like Polt who can't even stay in Code A, where as MC is consistently going up against the cream of Code S


Good, let me bring some more infos. We can't take GSL into account because it's a preparation based league where Stephano didn't play yet. Results are very dependent from coaching and build orders so we have to measure things in an equal field. HSC was more of a party for most foreigners. And even though we consider it premier in LP, it's only due to the innovation and the entertainment value. Still I included it.

International Stats for MC in 2012: 2-0 TheStC, 1-2 PartinG, 0-2 GanZi, 3-0 viOlet, 3-2 PuMa, 0-2 MKP, 1-2 GanZi, 2-1 crazymovING, 2-1 Polt, 2-0 Symbol, 2-0 MVP, 2-0 PuMa, 0-2 Polt, 1-2 Squirtle, 0-2 Creator, 2-3 aLive, 3-0 DRG, 1-2 Heart, 0-3 GanZi, 1-2 viOlet, 2-1 MKP, 2-1 PartinG, 1-3 DRG

Total : 31 - 33

HSC IV : 0-2 MKP, 3-2 JYP, 4-0 Sound -> 7-4

International Stats for Stephano in 2012 : 3-2 Polt, 3-2 viOlet, 2-0 HyuN, 3-0 PuMa, 1-4 Polt, 2-0 Zenio, 0-2 Polt, 5-2 Polt, 1-2 Polt, 1-2 Inori, 1-2 Life, 1-2 MKP, 2-1 JYP, 2-1 Curious, 1-2 NesTea, 0-2 MMA

Total : 28 - 26

HSC : 0-2 Sound, 0-2 MKP, 0-2 MC

And I'm not even removing online games which are different from offline ones (though I guess it would work in MC's favor)

Conclusion : Results are very similar. You cannot based your conclusion on that unless you want to win an internet argument. Without HSC, Stephano has a winning record and MC a losing one, with it it's reversed.


Is this some kind of joke? I linked the 2012 games for you and you managed to miscount them, jesus christ.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=640&part=games&league=standard
MC's vs Koreans in foreign tournaments:
+ Show Spoiler +
1-3 vs DRG
2-1 vs Parting
2-1 vs MKP
1-2 Violet
0-3 vs Ganzi
1-2 vs Heart
3-0 vs DRG
2-3 vs Alive
0-2 vs Creator
1-2 vs Squirtle
0-2 vs Polt
2-0 vs Puma
2-0 vs MVP
2-0 vs Symbol
2-1 vs Polt
2-1 vs CrazyMoving
1-2 vs Ganzi
0-2 vs MKP
3-2 vs Puma
3-0 vs Violet
0-2 vs Ganzi
1-2 vs Parting
2-0 vs theSTC
4-0 vs Sound
3-2 vs JYP
0-2 vs MKP


40-37. Looks like I was off by a couple here. You were off by 10+.

Stephano vs Koreans, 2012, http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1996&part=games&league=standard#tblt-4105-4-1-DESC
+ Show Spoiler +
0-2 vs MMA
1-2 vs Nestea
2-1 vs Bomber
2-1 vs Curious
2-1 vs JYP
1-2 vs MKP
0-2 vs Jjakji
0-2 vs Life
1-2 vs Inori
1-2 vs Polt
4-2 vs Polt
0-1 vs Alive
0-2 vs Polt
2-0 vs Zenio
1-4 vs Polt
3-0 vs puma
2-0 vs TypeReal (not even sure who this, but he has a Korean flag)
2-0 vs Inori
2-0 vs Hyun
3-2 vs Violet
3-2 vs Polt
0-2 vs MKP
0-2 vs MC (lolol)
0-2 vs Sound


32-36. I accidently counted the Dream games wrong. Where the fuck are you getting 28-26 from?

And how the fuck are you not going to count GSL games? What a bullshit excuse. It seems the only way you can make an arguement is by cherrypicking results or falsifying stats.

As planned, you are more looking to impose your point of view. I'm going to walk away now but I'm sure we'll meet again. Until then I recommend you get a scientific education which could allow you to understand why comparison between things needs to have equivalent (or if it's impossible very similar) system.

PS : You pretend to know stuff but you don't know ReaL ?! And I am the ignorant fanboy ... This is glorious.


I warned you, Eris. I warned you. Why didn't you listen?
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 02:18:14
April 28 2012 02:10 GMT
#116
1Eris1, your figures have some errors, please correct in the interests of accuracy.

Stephano beat Bomber 2-0 not 2-1 at IPL4. He also beat Polt 5-2 not 4-2 at Lone Star Clash. He also lost 1-2 to Life, not 0-2 in Iron Squid. So your amended figures for Stephano vs Koreans in 2012 should read 34-35.

My amendments can be verified in the liquipedia records for IPL4, Lone Star Clash and Iron Squid.

I have not checked your MC stats but unless you did better research than for your Stephano figures then they are probably inaccurate too. I agree with the point you are making about MC having better results against Koreans in 2012, but supplying stats to support your argument will have the effect of reducing your credibility if you supply incorrect data.

Stephano is on the record as saying MC is one of the 3 players he fears the most, the others are MKP and MMA. So Stephano is aware that MC is a big challenge for him.
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 02:28:10
April 28 2012 02:23 GMT
#117
On April 28 2012 11:10 revel8 wrote:
1Eris1, your figures have some errors, please correct in the interests of accuracy.

Stephano beat Bomber 2-0 not 2-1 at IPL4. He also beat Polt 5-2 not 4-2 at Lone Star Clash. He also lost 1-2 to Life, not 0-2 in Iron Squid. So your amended figures for Stephano vs Koreans in 2012 should read 34-35.

My amendments can be verified in the liquipedia records for IPL4, Lone Star Clash and Iron Squid.

I have not checked your MC stats but unless you did better research than for your Stephano figures then they are probably inaccurate too. I agree with the point you are making about MC having better results against Koreans in 2012, but supplying stats to support your argument will have the effect of reducing your credibility if you supply incorrect data.

Stephano is on the record as saying MC is one of the 3 players he fears the most, the others are MKP and MMA. So Stephano is aware that MC is a big challenge for him.


I went off of TLPD, so it's possible they are different from Liquidpedia. Whatever I'll change them, I just wanted to point out that he was making up completely random numbers.

On April 28 2012 10:35 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 10:33 Otolia wrote:
On April 28 2012 09:37 1Eris1 wrote:
On April 28 2012 09:19 Otolia wrote:
On April 28 2012 08:48 1Eris1 wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=640&part=games&league=standard
42-36 vs Koreans since the start of 2012
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=640&part=games&league=standard
16-12 vs Koreans since the start of 2012

58-48 vs Koreans

compared to
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1996&part=games&league=standard#tblt-11037-5-1-DESC

32-39 vs Koreans since the start of 2012

55% vs 45%.
Nevermind the fact that majority of Stephano's oppenenst have been guys like Polt who can't even stay in Code A, where as MC is consistently going up against the cream of Code S


Good, let me bring some more infos. We can't take GSL into account because it's a preparation based league where Stephano didn't play yet. Results are very dependent from coaching and build orders so we have to measure things in an equal field. HSC was more of a party for most foreigners. And even though we consider it premier in LP, it's only due to the innovation and the entertainment value. Still I included it.

International Stats for MC in 2012: 2-0 TheStC, 1-2 PartinG, 0-2 GanZi, 3-0 viOlet, 3-2 PuMa, 0-2 MKP, 1-2 GanZi, 2-1 crazymovING, 2-1 Polt, 2-0 Symbol, 2-0 MVP, 2-0 PuMa, 0-2 Polt, 1-2 Squirtle, 0-2 Creator, 2-3 aLive, 3-0 DRG, 1-2 Heart, 0-3 GanZi, 1-2 viOlet, 2-1 MKP, 2-1 PartinG, 1-3 DRG

Total : 31 - 33

HSC IV : 0-2 MKP, 3-2 JYP, 4-0 Sound -> 7-4

International Stats for Stephano in 2012 : 3-2 Polt, 3-2 viOlet, 2-0 HyuN, 3-0 PuMa, 1-4 Polt, 2-0 Zenio, 0-2 Polt, 5-2 Polt, 1-2 Polt, 1-2 Inori, 1-2 Life, 1-2 MKP, 2-1 JYP, 2-1 Curious, 1-2 NesTea, 0-2 MMA

Total : 28 - 26

HSC : 0-2 Sound, 0-2 MKP, 0-2 MC

And I'm not even removing online games which are different from offline ones (though I guess it would work in MC's favor)

Conclusion : Results are very similar. You cannot based your conclusion on that unless you want to win an internet argument. Without HSC, Stephano has a winning record and MC a losing one, with it it's reversed.


Is this some kind of joke? I linked the 2012 games for you and you managed to miscount them, jesus christ.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=640&part=games&league=standard
MC's vs Koreans in foreign tournaments:
+ Show Spoiler +
1-3 vs DRG
2-1 vs Parting
2-1 vs MKP
1-2 Violet
0-3 vs Ganzi
1-2 vs Heart
3-0 vs DRG
2-3 vs Alive
0-2 vs Creator
1-2 vs Squirtle
0-2 vs Polt
2-0 vs Puma
2-0 vs MVP
2-0 vs Symbol
2-1 vs Polt
2-1 vs CrazyMoving
1-2 vs Ganzi
0-2 vs MKP
3-2 vs Puma
3-0 vs Violet
0-2 vs Ganzi
1-2 vs Parting
2-0 vs theSTC
4-0 vs Sound
3-2 vs JYP
0-2 vs MKP


40-37. Looks like I was off by a couple here. You were off by 10+.

Stephano vs Koreans, 2012, http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1996&part=games&league=standard#tblt-4105-4-1-DESC
+ Show Spoiler +
0-2 vs MMA
1-2 vs Nestea
2-1 vs Bomber
2-1 vs Curious
2-1 vs JYP
1-2 vs MKP
0-2 vs Jjakji
0-2 vs Life
1-2 vs Inori
1-2 vs Polt
4-2 vs Polt
0-1 vs Alive
0-2 vs Polt
2-0 vs Zenio
1-4 vs Polt
3-0 vs puma
2-0 vs TypeReal (not even sure who this, but he has a Korean flag)
2-0 vs Inori
2-0 vs Hyun
3-2 vs Violet
3-2 vs Polt
0-2 vs MKP
0-2 vs MC (lolol)
0-2 vs Sound


32-36. I accidently counted the Dream games wrong. Where the fuck are you getting 28-26 from?

And how the fuck are you not going to count GSL games? What a bullshit excuse. It seems the only way you can make an arguement is by cherrypicking results or falsifying stats.

As planned, you are more looking to impose your point of view. I'm going to walk away now but I'm sure we'll meet again. Until then I recommend you get a scientific education which could allow you to understand why comparison between things needs to have equivalent (or if it's impossible very similar) system.

PS : You pretend to know stuff but you don't know ReaL ?! And I am the ignorant fanboy ... This is glorious.


I warned you, Eris. I warned you. Why didn't you listen?


Sometimes they bite. The less blind fanboyism the better. : /
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
IMNasty
Profile Joined February 2012
663 Posts
April 28 2012 02:33 GMT
#118
On April 28 2012 10:28 Rayjin wrote:
In my opinion Stephano has the best ZvP at the moment ( Yes, i would put him above DRG in this Matchup ^^ ).

Overall MC is the better player, but i think he'll lose this battle.


foreigner bias much? let me know the last time he beat a code S protoss
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
April 28 2012 02:40 GMT
#119
Poor TLPD, it only exists for its data to be abused in arguments like this.
illsick
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1770 Posts
April 28 2012 02:42 GMT
#120
On April 28 2012 09:15 Bagration wrote:
MC wins. He crushed Violet last week so convincingly I have to give him the advantage. But this will be a great series.


MC actually lost to violet last week at MLG Arena
you live and you learn
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 02:55:12
April 28 2012 02:46 GMT
#121
On April 28 2012 09:58 jianming wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 09:37 1Eris1 wrote:
On April 28 2012 09:19 Otolia wrote:
On April 28 2012 08:48 1Eris1 wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=640&part=games&league=standard
42-36 vs Koreans since the start of 2012
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=640&part=games&league=standard
16-12 vs Koreans since the start of 2012

58-48 vs Koreans

compared to
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1996&part=games&league=standard#tblt-11037-5-1-DESC

32-39 vs Koreans since the start of 2012

55% vs 45%.
Nevermind the fact that majority of Stephano's oppenenst have been guys like Polt who can't even stay in Code A, where as MC is consistently going up against the cream of Code S


Good, let me bring some more infos. We can't take GSL into account because it's a preparation based league where Stephano didn't play yet. Results are very dependent from coaching and build orders so we have to measure things in an equal field. HSC was more of a party for most foreigners. And even though we consider it premier in LP, it's only due to the innovation and the entertainment value. Still I included it.

International Stats for MC in 2012: 2-0 TheStC, 1-2 PartinG, 0-2 GanZi, 3-0 viOlet, 3-2 PuMa, 0-2 MKP, 1-2 GanZi, 2-1 crazymovING, 2-1 Polt, 2-0 Symbol, 2-0 MVP, 2-0 PuMa, 0-2 Polt, 1-2 Squirtle, 0-2 Creator, 2-3 aLive, 3-0 DRG, 1-2 Heart, 0-3 GanZi, 1-2 viOlet, 2-1 MKP, 2-1 PartinG, 1-3 DRG

Total : 31 - 33

HSC IV : 0-2 MKP, 3-2 JYP, 4-0 Sound -> 7-4

International Stats for Stephano in 2012 : 3-2 Polt, 3-2 viOlet, 2-0 HyuN, 3-0 PuMa, 1-4 Polt, 2-0 Zenio, 0-2 Polt, 5-2 Polt, 1-2 Polt, 1-2 Inori, 1-2 Life, 1-2 MKP, 2-1 JYP, 2-1 Curious, 1-2 NesTea, 0-2 MMA

Total : 28 - 26

HSC : 0-2 Sound, 0-2 MKP, 0-2 MC

And I'm not even removing online games which are different from offline ones (though I guess it would work in MC's favor)

Conclusion : Results are very similar. You cannot based your conclusion on that unless you want to win an internet argument. Without HSC, Stephano has a winning record and MC a losing one, with it it's reversed.


Is this some kind of joke? I linked the 2012 games for you and you managed to miscount them, jesus christ.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=640&part=games&league=standard
MC's vs Koreans in foreign tournaments:
+ Show Spoiler +
1-3 vs DRG
2-1 vs Parting
2-1 vs MKP
1-2 Violet
0-3 vs Ganzi
1-2 vs Heart
3-0 vs DRG
2-3 vs Alive
0-2 vs Creator
1-2 vs Squirtle
0-2 vs Polt
2-0 vs Puma
2-0 vs MVP
2-0 vs Symbol
2-1 vs Polt
2-1 vs CrazyMoving
1-2 vs Ganzi
0-2 vs MKP
3-2 vs Puma
3-0 vs Violet
0-2 vs Ganzi
1-2 vs Parting
2-0 vs theSTC
4-0 vs Sound
3-2 vs JYP
0-2 vs MKP


40-37. Looks like I was off by a couple here. You were off by 10+.

Stephano vs Koreans, 2012, http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1996&part=games&league=standard#tblt-4105-4-1-DESC
+ Show Spoiler +
0-2 vs MMA
1-2 vs Nestea
2-1 vs Bomber
2-1 vs Curious
2-1 vs JYP
1-2 vs MKP
0-2 vs Jjakji
0-2 vs Life
1-2 vs Inori
1-2 vs Polt
4-2 vs Polt
0-1 vs Alive
0-2 vs Polt
2-0 vs Zenio
1-4 vs Polt
3-0 vs puma
2-0 vs TypeReal (not even sure who this, but he has a Korean flag)
2-0 vs Inori
2-0 vs Hyun
3-2 vs Violet
3-2 vs Polt
0-2 vs MKP
0-2 vs MC (lolol)
0-2 vs Sound


32-36. I accidently counted the Dream games wrong. Where the fuck are you getting 28-26 from?

And how the fuck are you not going to count GSL games? What a bullshit excuse. It seems the only way you can make an arguement is by cherrypicking results or falsifying stats.


Don't feed the trolls, or argue with mindless fanboys. Fact remains that Stephano has done (basically) nothing against top Koreans, and MC has. Maybe Stephano will start playing them more, and will be able to prove himself, but until he does that, it's impossible to say that Stephano is better than someone like MC (or any other top Korean).


Stephano have done nothing against top koreans ? lol watch IPL 4 and thats just his latest tournament. You are a clown and when Stephano beats MC you proberly gonna blame it on lag right?

I find it funny you haters never learn

And btw 1Eris1 do you get payed to hate Stephano? Becuase in every thread you always there trying to dismiss his amasing achievements. What exactly have Stephano done to you, Did he steal you girlfriend or something?

On April 28 2012 11:33 IMNasty wrote:

foreigner bias much? let me know the last time he beat a code S protoss


Hero got slaughtered when he meet Stephano and so did JYP and he only got korea´s 2nd best PvZ

And btw one last thing MC himself consider Stephano among the 3 best zergs in the world.

http://www.gomtv.net/2012gsls2/gomcam/67443

Watch it and cry haters
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 03:21:24
April 28 2012 03:04 GMT
#122
On April 28 2012 11:33 IMNasty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 10:28 Rayjin wrote:
In my opinion Stephano has the best ZvP at the moment ( Yes, i would put him above DRG in this Matchup ^^ ).

Overall MC is the better player, but i think he'll lose this battle.


foreigner bias much? let me know the last time he beat a code S protoss


Good question. He has beaten JYP at IPL4 and also defeated Hero at Blizzard Cup. These players are Code S Level but were not in Code S at the time of the matches, but Stephano has not really played many Protoss in Code S at all apart from Korean Ladder. He has played MC and lost every time. You have to go back to when he beat Puzzle 2-0 in IPL3 Qualifiers last September or went 2-0 over Huk at IPL3 last October. AFAIK the only Code S Protoss to have played and beaten Stephano are MC and Naniwa. Has Huk beaten Stephano in a series?
Let it Raine
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1245 Posts
April 28 2012 03:15 GMT
#123
from the pov of a player it does not matter who he is playing, just the race.

stephano believes he has solved zvp and, outside a few lucky all ins, he doesn't lose.

what can MC do that his past opponents could not?

can't wait to find out.

Grandmaster Zerg x14. Diamond 1 LoL. MLG 50, Halo 3. Raine.
chosenkerrigan
Profile Joined May 2011
858 Posts
April 28 2012 03:24 GMT
#124
On April 28 2012 08:42 dragonborn wrote:
stephano is a better player than MC, but MC is more gimmicky.

i hope stephano find a way for beating MC's gimmicky play.


I'm sick and tired of your blind fanboyism. Get out.
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
April 28 2012 03:28 GMT
#125
On April 28 2012 12:24 chosenkerrigan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 08:42 dragonborn wrote:
stephano is a better player than MC, but MC is more gimmicky.

i hope stephano find a way for beating MC's gimmicky play.


I'm sick and tired of your blind fanboyism. Get out.

who the heck are you and saying "get out" to me?

you should respect my opinions.
chosenkerrigan
Profile Joined May 2011
858 Posts
April 28 2012 03:29 GMT
#126
On April 28 2012 12:28 dragonborn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 12:24 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On April 28 2012 08:42 dragonborn wrote:
stephano is a better player than MC, but MC is more gimmicky.

i hope stephano find a way for beating MC's gimmicky play.


I'm sick and tired of your blind fanboyism. Get out.

who the heck are you and saying "get out" to me?

you should respect my opinions.


I only respect opinions without a ridiculous amount of bias.
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 03:41:41
April 28 2012 03:32 GMT
#127
This bickering is childish. Let's just enjoy the games FFS. Like InControl, I am excited by this showmatch. Should be entertaining whoever you root for.

Personally I'd like to thank IPL for putting together this showmatch for us. I've been really impressed with their previous Fight Club showmatches and this one could be the best one yet.
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
April 28 2012 03:33 GMT
#128
On April 28 2012 12:29 chosenkerrigan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 12:28 dragonborn wrote:
On April 28 2012 12:24 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On April 28 2012 08:42 dragonborn wrote:
stephano is a better player than MC, but MC is more gimmicky.

i hope stephano find a way for beating MC's gimmicky play.


I'm sick and tired of your blind fanboyism. Get out.

who the heck are you and saying "get out" to me?

you should respect my opinions.


I only respect opinions without a ridiculous amount of bias.

that comment wasnt biased.
chosenkerrigan
Profile Joined May 2011
858 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 03:55:43
April 28 2012 03:40 GMT
#129
On April 28 2012 12:33 dragonborn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 12:29 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On April 28 2012 12:28 dragonborn wrote:
On April 28 2012 12:24 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On April 28 2012 08:42 dragonborn wrote:
stephano is a better player than MC, but MC is more gimmicky.

i hope stephano find a way for beating MC's gimmicky play.


I'm sick and tired of your blind fanboyism. Get out.

who the heck are you and saying "get out" to me?

you should respect my opinions.


I only respect opinions without a ridiculous amount of bias.

that comment wasnt biased.


Facts:
1. MC has sc2 earnings twice as much as Stephano.
2. MC has 2 GSL under his belt.
3. Both of them have same international winrates, with MC constantly doing better at more stacked events including several MLGs.
4. MC has 60% winrate in GSL with more than 150 games played, Stephano only played 4 tournament games in Korea, winning a ZvZ, a ZvP, and losing a ZvP to MC, a ZvT to MVP.
5. MC was winning Code S before Stephano even turned Pro.
6. MC has never ever lost a game to Stephano.

Tell me with a straight face that Stephano is better than MC.
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
April 28 2012 03:41 GMT
#130
On April 28 2012 12:40 chosenkerrigan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 12:33 dragonborn wrote:
On April 28 2012 12:29 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On April 28 2012 12:28 dragonborn wrote:
On April 28 2012 12:24 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On April 28 2012 08:42 dragonborn wrote:
stephano is a better player than MC, but MC is more gimmicky.

i hope stephano find a way for beating MC's gimmicky play.


I'm sick and tired of your blind fanboyism. Get out.

who the heck are you and saying "get out" to me?

you should respect my opinions.


I only respect opinions without a ridiculous amount of bias.

that comment wasnt biased.


Facts:
1. MC has sc2 earnings twice as much as Stephano.
2. MC has 2 GSL under his belt.
3. Both of them have same international winrates, with MC constantly doing better at more stacked events including several MLGs.
4. MC has 60% winrate in GSL with more than 150 games played, Stephano only played 3 tournament games in Korea, winning a ZvZ, a ZvP, and losing a ZvP to MC.
5. MC has never ever lost a game to Stephano.

Tell me with a straight face that Stephano is better than MC.

*straight face*

Stephano is better than MC.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
April 28 2012 03:42 GMT
#131
I think stephano has this!
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
chosenkerrigan
Profile Joined May 2011
858 Posts
April 28 2012 03:42 GMT
#132
On April 28 2012 12:41 dragonborn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 12:40 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On April 28 2012 12:33 dragonborn wrote:
On April 28 2012 12:29 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On April 28 2012 12:28 dragonborn wrote:
On April 28 2012 12:24 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On April 28 2012 08:42 dragonborn wrote:
stephano is a better player than MC, but MC is more gimmicky.

i hope stephano find a way for beating MC's gimmicky play.


I'm sick and tired of your blind fanboyism. Get out.

who the heck are you and saying "get out" to me?

you should respect my opinions.


I only respect opinions without a ridiculous amount of bias.

that comment wasnt biased.


Facts:
1. MC has sc2 earnings twice as much as Stephano.
2. MC has 2 GSL under his belt.
3. Both of them have same international winrates, with MC constantly doing better at more stacked events including several MLGs.
4. MC has 60% winrate in GSL with more than 150 games played, Stephano only played 3 tournament games in Korea, winning a ZvZ, a ZvP, and losing a ZvP to MC.
5. MC has never ever lost a game to Stephano.

Tell me with a straight face that Stephano is better than MC.

*straight face*

Stephano is better than MC.


And that's why I don't need to respect your opinion.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 03:45:57
April 28 2012 03:45 GMT
#133
Calm down guys, just enjoy the showmatch! What does it matter who is "objectively" better? Could we delay the heated debate until after the broadcast? Then you'll actually have new material to work with.
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 03:48:28
April 28 2012 03:46 GMT
#134
On April 28 2012 12:42 chosenkerrigan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 12:41 dragonborn wrote:
On April 28 2012 12:40 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On April 28 2012 12:33 dragonborn wrote:
On April 28 2012 12:29 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On April 28 2012 12:28 dragonborn wrote:
On April 28 2012 12:24 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On April 28 2012 08:42 dragonborn wrote:
stephano is a better player than MC, but MC is more gimmicky.

i hope stephano find a way for beating MC's gimmicky play.


I'm sick and tired of your blind fanboyism. Get out.

who the heck are you and saying "get out" to me?

you should respect my opinions.


I only respect opinions without a ridiculous amount of bias.

that comment wasnt biased.


Facts:
1. MC has sc2 earnings twice as much as Stephano.
2. MC has 2 GSL under his belt.
3. Both of them have same international winrates, with MC constantly doing better at more stacked events including several MLGs.
4. MC has 60% winrate in GSL with more than 150 games played, Stephano only played 3 tournament games in Korea, winning a ZvZ, a ZvP, and losing a ZvP to MC.
5. MC has never ever lost a game to Stephano.

Tell me with a straight face that Stephano is better than MC.

*straight face*

Stephano is better than MC.


And that's why I don't need to respect your opinion.

you still need to respect it

you cant say "get out" to me due my opinion.
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 03:50:26
April 28 2012 03:47 GMT
#135
On April 28 2012 12:40 chosenkerrigan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 12:33 dragonborn wrote:
On April 28 2012 12:29 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On April 28 2012 12:28 dragonborn wrote:
On April 28 2012 12:24 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On April 28 2012 08:42 dragonborn wrote:
stephano is a better player than MC, but MC is more gimmicky.

i hope stephano find a way for beating MC's gimmicky play.


I'm sick and tired of your blind fanboyism. Get out.

who the heck are you and saying "get out" to me?

you should respect my opinions.


I only respect opinions without a ridiculous amount of bias.

that comment wasnt biased.


Facts:
1. MC has sc2 earnings twice as much as Stephano.
2. MC has 2 GSL under his belt.
3. Both of them have same international winrates, with MC constantly doing better at more stacked events including several MLGs.
4. MC has 60% winrate in GSL with more than 150 games played, Stephano only played 3 tournament games in Korea, winning a ZvZ, a ZvP, and losing a ZvP to MC.
5. MC has never ever lost a game to Stephano.

Tell me with a straight face that Stephano is better than MC.


Actually Stephano has played 4 tournament games in Korea - he also lost a ZvT vs MVP. Please amend.

You should also mention that MC has been a SC2 Pro-gamer for more than a year longer than Stephano. I believe MC was playing in GSL a year before Stephano even turned Pro. This adds context to their respective careers in SC2.
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 03:54:58
April 28 2012 03:53 GMT
#136
On April 28 2012 12:45 StarVe wrote:
Calm down guys, just enjoy the showmatch! What does it matter who is "objectively" better? Could we delay the heated debate until after the broadcast? Then you'll actually have new material to work with.


I agree. It's like a playground in here. Except with worse arithmetic.
masakenji
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia415 Posts
April 28 2012 04:02 GMT
#137
On April 28 2012 12:46 dragonborn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 12:42 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On April 28 2012 12:41 dragonborn wrote:
On April 28 2012 12:40 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On April 28 2012 12:33 dragonborn wrote:
On April 28 2012 12:29 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On April 28 2012 12:28 dragonborn wrote:
On April 28 2012 12:24 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On April 28 2012 08:42 dragonborn wrote:
stephano is a better player than MC, but MC is more gimmicky.

i hope stephano find a way for beating MC's gimmicky play.


I'm sick and tired of your blind fanboyism. Get out.

who the heck are you and saying "get out" to me?

you should respect my opinions.


I only respect opinions without a ridiculous amount of bias.

that comment wasnt biased.


Facts:
1. MC has sc2 earnings twice as much as Stephano.
2. MC has 2 GSL under his belt.
3. Both of them have same international winrates, with MC constantly doing better at more stacked events including several MLGs.
4. MC has 60% winrate in GSL with more than 150 games played, Stephano only played 3 tournament games in Korea, winning a ZvZ, a ZvP, and losing a ZvP to MC.
5. MC has never ever lost a game to Stephano.

Tell me with a straight face that Stephano is better than MC.

*straight face*

Stephano is better than MC.


And that's why I don't need to respect your opinion.

you still need to respect it

you cant say "get out" to me due my opinion.


such things like opinions and faith should never be respected, but of course it should be voiced ^^
Chunhyang
Profile Joined December 2011
Bangladesh1389 Posts
April 28 2012 04:21 GMT
#138
I think both of these players are mentally strong and no one will get swept or owned unless one of them suddenly becomes exhausted because of their schedule. Therefore, 5-4. I just tossed a coin.

5-4 Stephano.
If you could reason with haters, there would be no haters. YGTMYFT
Chunhyang
Profile Joined December 2011
Bangladesh1389 Posts
April 28 2012 04:22 GMT
#139
On April 28 2012 12:41 dragonborn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 12:40 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On April 28 2012 12:33 dragonborn wrote:
On April 28 2012 12:29 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On April 28 2012 12:28 dragonborn wrote:
On April 28 2012 12:24 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On April 28 2012 08:42 dragonborn wrote:
stephano is a better player than MC, but MC is more gimmicky.

i hope stephano find a way for beating MC's gimmicky play.


I'm sick and tired of your blind fanboyism. Get out.

who the heck are you and saying "get out" to me?

you should respect my opinions.


I only respect opinions without a ridiculous amount of bias.

that comment wasnt biased.


Facts:
1. MC has sc2 earnings twice as much as Stephano.
2. MC has 2 GSL under his belt.
3. Both of them have same international winrates, with MC constantly doing better at more stacked events including several MLGs.
4. MC has 60% winrate in GSL with more than 150 games played, Stephano only played 3 tournament games in Korea, winning a ZvZ, a ZvP, and losing a ZvP to MC.
5. MC has never ever lost a game to Stephano.

Tell me with a straight face that Stephano is better than MC.

*straight face*

Stephano is better than MC.


People also tell jokes with a straight face.
If you could reason with haters, there would be no haters. YGTMYFT
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 04:33:57
April 28 2012 04:33 GMT
#140
On April 28 2012 12:15 Let it Raine wrote:
from the pov of a player it does not matter who he is playing, just the race.

stephano believes he has solved zvp and, outside a few lucky all ins, he doesn't lose.

what can MC do that his past opponents could not?

can't wait to find out.



Stephano doesn't think his play is perfect. In every interview he's given he's said that his own mistakes are responsible for his losses, not the style that he uses. He's the opposite of IdrA in this, though at times he does complain about people meta-gaming against him.
Zaurus
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore676 Posts
April 28 2012 04:48 GMT
#141
On April 28 2012 11:46 Benjamin99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 09:58 jianming wrote:
On April 28 2012 09:37 1Eris1 wrote:
On April 28 2012 09:19 Otolia wrote:
On April 28 2012 08:48 1Eris1 wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=640&part=games&league=standard
42-36 vs Koreans since the start of 2012
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=640&part=games&league=standard
16-12 vs Koreans since the start of 2012

58-48 vs Koreans

compared to
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1996&part=games&league=standard#tblt-11037-5-1-DESC

32-39 vs Koreans since the start of 2012

55% vs 45%.
Nevermind the fact that majority of Stephano's oppenenst have been guys like Polt who can't even stay in Code A, where as MC is consistently going up against the cream of Code S


Good, let me bring some more infos. We can't take GSL into account because it's a preparation based league where Stephano didn't play yet. Results are very dependent from coaching and build orders so we have to measure things in an equal field. HSC was more of a party for most foreigners. And even though we consider it premier in LP, it's only due to the innovation and the entertainment value. Still I included it.

International Stats for MC in 2012: 2-0 TheStC, 1-2 PartinG, 0-2 GanZi, 3-0 viOlet, 3-2 PuMa, 0-2 MKP, 1-2 GanZi, 2-1 crazymovING, 2-1 Polt, 2-0 Symbol, 2-0 MVP, 2-0 PuMa, 0-2 Polt, 1-2 Squirtle, 0-2 Creator, 2-3 aLive, 3-0 DRG, 1-2 Heart, 0-3 GanZi, 1-2 viOlet, 2-1 MKP, 2-1 PartinG, 1-3 DRG

Total : 31 - 33

HSC IV : 0-2 MKP, 3-2 JYP, 4-0 Sound -> 7-4

International Stats for Stephano in 2012 : 3-2 Polt, 3-2 viOlet, 2-0 HyuN, 3-0 PuMa, 1-4 Polt, 2-0 Zenio, 0-2 Polt, 5-2 Polt, 1-2 Polt, 1-2 Inori, 1-2 Life, 1-2 MKP, 2-1 JYP, 2-1 Curious, 1-2 NesTea, 0-2 MMA

Total : 28 - 26

HSC : 0-2 Sound, 0-2 MKP, 0-2 MC

And I'm not even removing online games which are different from offline ones (though I guess it would work in MC's favor)

Conclusion : Results are very similar. You cannot based your conclusion on that unless you want to win an internet argument. Without HSC, Stephano has a winning record and MC a losing one, with it it's reversed.


Is this some kind of joke? I linked the 2012 games for you and you managed to miscount them, jesus christ.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=640&part=games&league=standard
MC's vs Koreans in foreign tournaments:
+ Show Spoiler +
1-3 vs DRG
2-1 vs Parting
2-1 vs MKP
1-2 Violet
0-3 vs Ganzi
1-2 vs Heart
3-0 vs DRG
2-3 vs Alive
0-2 vs Creator
1-2 vs Squirtle
0-2 vs Polt
2-0 vs Puma
2-0 vs MVP
2-0 vs Symbol
2-1 vs Polt
2-1 vs CrazyMoving
1-2 vs Ganzi
0-2 vs MKP
3-2 vs Puma
3-0 vs Violet
0-2 vs Ganzi
1-2 vs Parting
2-0 vs theSTC
4-0 vs Sound
3-2 vs JYP
0-2 vs MKP


40-37. Looks like I was off by a couple here. You were off by 10+.

Stephano vs Koreans, 2012, http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=1996&part=games&league=standard#tblt-4105-4-1-DESC
+ Show Spoiler +
0-2 vs MMA
1-2 vs Nestea
2-1 vs Bomber
2-1 vs Curious
2-1 vs JYP
1-2 vs MKP
0-2 vs Jjakji
0-2 vs Life
1-2 vs Inori
1-2 vs Polt
4-2 vs Polt
0-1 vs Alive
0-2 vs Polt
2-0 vs Zenio
1-4 vs Polt
3-0 vs puma
2-0 vs TypeReal (not even sure who this, but he has a Korean flag)
2-0 vs Inori
2-0 vs Hyun
3-2 vs Violet
3-2 vs Polt
0-2 vs MKP
0-2 vs MC (lolol)
0-2 vs Sound


32-36. I accidently counted the Dream games wrong. Where the fuck are you getting 28-26 from?

And how the fuck are you not going to count GSL games? What a bullshit excuse. It seems the only way you can make an arguement is by cherrypicking results or falsifying stats.


Don't feed the trolls, or argue with mindless fanboys. Fact remains that Stephano has done (basically) nothing against top Koreans, and MC has. Maybe Stephano will start playing them more, and will be able to prove himself, but until he does that, it's impossible to say that Stephano is better than someone like MC (or any other top Korean).


Stephano have done nothing against top koreans ? lol watch IPL 4 and thats just his latest tournament. You are a clown and when Stephano beats MC you proberly gonna blame it on lag right?

I find it funny you haters never learn

And btw 1Eris1 do you get payed to hate Stephano? Becuase in every thread you always there trying to dismiss his amasing achievements. What exactly have Stephano done to you, Did he steal you girlfriend or something?

Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 11:33 IMNasty wrote:

foreigner bias much? let me know the last time he beat a code S protoss


Hero got slaughtered when he meet Stephano and so did JYP and he only got korea´s 2nd best PvZ

And btw one last thing MC himself consider Stephano among the 3 best zergs in the world.

http://www.gomtv.net/2012gsls2/gomcam/67443

Watch it and cry haters


I think i am better than MC. My friends all think so too. Incontrol is probably the best player in the world. Anybody can say anything they want. haha
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
April 28 2012 04:57 GMT
#142
On April 28 2012 12:15 Let it Raine wrote:
from the pov of a player it does not matter who he is playing, just the race.

stephano believes he has solved zvp and, outside a few lucky all ins, he doesn't lose.

what can MC do that his past opponents could not?

can't wait to find out.



MC will probably do the same thing he does every time he beats Stephano... whatever that is.

Or maybe something new? Who knows, but it's certain that in the head-to-head, MC > Stephano.

On April 28 2012 12:28 dragonborn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 12:24 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On April 28 2012 08:42 dragonborn wrote:
stephano is a better player than MC, but MC is more gimmicky.

i hope stephano find a way for beating MC's gimmicky play.


I'm sick and tired of your blind fanboyism. Get out.

who the heck are you and saying "get out" to me?

you should respect my opinions.


You do realize that opinions don't automatically need to be respected, right? As in, simply by virtue of you saying *something*, it doesn't deserve respect. That *something* has to be meaningful and make sense and the argument has to be properly defended.

And quite frankly, in no way is Stephano better than MC.

Stephano top foreigner? Sure.

But MC has achieved more big wins (especially GSL), made more money, and (most importantly, in this specific context) he's way ahead of Stephano in the head-to-head matches.

Might Stephano win? Possibly. Maybe he's been working on something special that'll work. It certainly hasn't in the past. However, you have no justification to say that Stephano is actually better than MC, or even that he's favored against MC, which is why your opinion won't be respected.

But by all means, root for him! That's what fans do Many people are fans of Stephano, and many people just like to root for the underdog in general. Go for it! But don't blatantly lie.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
CPTBadAss
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States594 Posts
April 28 2012 05:01 GMT
#143
Stephano fighting. He's going to roll MC. Gogo Team USA
I'll keep on struggling, 'cause that's the measure of a man | "That was the plan: To give him some hope, and then crush him" -Stephano
gldavid12
Profile Joined February 2012
15 Posts
April 28 2012 05:09 GMT
#144
Stop all the damn fighting. Me being an MC fan for a pretty long time I would usually say MC is going to win but that's no the case. Just because MC has better accomplishments over Stephano means nothing. Seriously It could go wither due to anything. I would still say that MC wins this one still because PvZ is the only match-up he's consistent in but there could be an upset. There has always been upsets everywhere. I say MC gets this 5-2 but Stephano could take this 5-4.
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10341 Posts
April 28 2012 05:27 GMT
#145
You know this is just FC, it's cute and fun, but has no real meaning other than some pocket change. It's just entertainment.
[21:07] <Shock710> whats wrong with her face [20:50] <dAPhREAk> i beat it the day after it came out | <BLinD-RawR> esports is a giant vagina
Sharkey
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
668 Posts
April 28 2012 05:37 GMT
#146
Awesome:
1) Two high level players playing each other!

Awesomer:
2) The players are both playing in their best matchup and a bo9!!

Awesomerer:
3) The players are huge in the SC scene!!! Who doesn't want to watch Stephano or MC play against anyone? Nevermind each other?

Could be better:
Same server.

Can't wait for the matchup!!!! So excited
If anyone has any serious prayer requests please PM me. Thx.
ThePlayer33
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia2378 Posts
April 28 2012 06:02 GMT
#147
MC- 5-2.

2 zerg favoured maps.
| Idra | YuGiOh | Leenock | Coca |
Zath.erin
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada429 Posts
April 28 2012 06:14 GMT
#148
The stephano haters and fan boys are both hella annoying, Stephano isn't the best player in the world but he's up there and to deny that is just foolish.
I put my pants on just like the rest of you - one leg at a time. Except once my pants are on, i make gold records!
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
April 28 2012 06:17 GMT
#149
Given their individual match history, I don't think Stephano will take this one, sorry :/
emis
Profile Joined November 2011
Estonia409 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 06:39:50
April 28 2012 06:33 GMT
#150
On April 28 2012 08:22 jianming wrote:
Ok Stephano fanboys... Please tell me 5 Code S players Stephano has beaten in his career, to justify this "better than 2 time GSL champion and all time money list leader."

He beat Curious in IPL4.
DRG in Blizzard Cup.

Any more?

Did he beat Polt (the Code A guy who only got into Code S because of a seed) when he was in Code S?


Curious, DRG, Bomber, MKP, Polt, JYP, MMA, HuK, Zenio, ViOlet, TheStC, Lucky, BoxeR.
JohnMatrix
Profile Joined April 2011
France1356 Posts
April 28 2012 06:34 GMT
#151
We want to see if the games were closed or one sided, the reuslt does not matter really matter. It's a good training for Stephano before his flight to Korea at least.
emis
Profile Joined November 2011
Estonia409 Posts
April 28 2012 06:35 GMT
#152
On April 28 2012 06:35 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 06:25 emis wrote:
On April 28 2012 06:20 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 28 2012 06:09 emis wrote:
It's kinda sad seeing people preemptively make excuses about cross-server lag. Koreans have really good internet, top teams shouldn't have a problem playing on foreign servers.

I guess it's another good reason to say "Stephano doesn't legitimately beat Code S players", should he win the showmatch, even though he's proved it wrong on multiple occasions.


It's not being used as an excuse for MC theoretically losing in most cases. People, me included, feel that lag ruins the legitimacy of anyone's win because it's just not proper conditions to be playing the game.

You could make both players play with their feet if you wanted and sure they'd both have an even playing feel but it wouldn't be a proper game.

Just listen to the pundits on SOTG when they talked about TSL4 and they mentioned it as well on the show before that. Cross server games are just bad for everyone, players and spectators regardless of who wins.

And you should stop denying that lag exists. I get 250ms connecting to NA from EU and I have good internet and am in western Europe. You can't play the game properly with 250ms.


I'm not denying the lag, I just don't think it's game changing. See my edited post.

EDIT: And I'm playing on NA from Estonia with a shitty connection. I don't get any lag whatsoever.


If you don't think it's gamechanging then you just don't know what you're talking about. Imagine you're trying to split marines against banelings or land crucial forcefields with a small amount of delay. I've seen people like you with your "I just don't think it's a big deal" mentality, and they only stopped arguing once IdrA himself came into the thread and said that cross-server games are meaningless due to the lag. People like to say, "Well, it doesn't affect macro", but, yes, it does - it affects all aspects of someone's play. When you're a pro and you're trying to do everything to near perfection and you're used to playing with really good latency, lag simply throws you off.

I'm excited for this match just because of the names, but take the results with a massive grain of salt.


It's not like IdrA is the person to be taken most seriously when it comes to complaining.

Besides, the games are most likely played on NA, which should theoretically be better for MC than for Stephano. Isn't ping directly affected by distance of servers?
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
April 28 2012 07:17 GMT
#153
On April 28 2012 15:35 emis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 06:35 HolyArrow wrote:
On April 28 2012 06:25 emis wrote:
On April 28 2012 06:20 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 28 2012 06:09 emis wrote:
It's kinda sad seeing people preemptively make excuses about cross-server lag. Koreans have really good internet, top teams shouldn't have a problem playing on foreign servers.

I guess it's another good reason to say "Stephano doesn't legitimately beat Code S players", should he win the showmatch, even though he's proved it wrong on multiple occasions.


It's not being used as an excuse for MC theoretically losing in most cases. People, me included, feel that lag ruins the legitimacy of anyone's win because it's just not proper conditions to be playing the game.

You could make both players play with their feet if you wanted and sure they'd both have an even playing feel but it wouldn't be a proper game.

Just listen to the pundits on SOTG when they talked about TSL4 and they mentioned it as well on the show before that. Cross server games are just bad for everyone, players and spectators regardless of who wins.

And you should stop denying that lag exists. I get 250ms connecting to NA from EU and I have good internet and am in western Europe. You can't play the game properly with 250ms.


I'm not denying the lag, I just don't think it's game changing. See my edited post.

EDIT: And I'm playing on NA from Estonia with a shitty connection. I don't get any lag whatsoever.


If you don't think it's gamechanging then you just don't know what you're talking about. Imagine you're trying to split marines against banelings or land crucial forcefields with a small amount of delay. I've seen people like you with your "I just don't think it's a big deal" mentality, and they only stopped arguing once IdrA himself came into the thread and said that cross-server games are meaningless due to the lag. People like to say, "Well, it doesn't affect macro", but, yes, it does - it affects all aspects of someone's play. When you're a pro and you're trying to do everything to near perfection and you're used to playing with really good latency, lag simply throws you off.

I'm excited for this match just because of the names, but take the results with a massive grain of salt.


It's not like IdrA is the person to be taken most seriously when it comes to complaining.

Besides, the games are most likely played on NA, which should theoretically be better for MC than for Stephano. Isn't ping directly affected by distance of servers?


Firstly, what you're doing is called a genetic fallacy, I think.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/genetic-fallacy.html

Idra may be known for complaining but he's also a progamer who practices a shitload, who understands the impact high lag has on one's play when one is used to playing in ideal, very low latency setting.

Also, Zerg benefits the most from an environment where both players are laggy because it requires the least micro. This doesn't mean that Zerg is easy - it's just that in terms of macro vs. micro, macro is the most unforgiving and difficult for Zerg out of all the races and thus a ton more emphasis is placed on macro than micro. Zerg micro is definitely important, but I'd argue that it's the least important out of all races while the macro is the most important - you just have to hit those injects. Macro is less affected by lag than micro - thus, Zerg is hurt by lag the least. For example, LosirA said he chose Zerg so he wouldn't have to micro as much, and when Nerchio played Jjakji in IPL Fight Club, Nerchio agreed that laggy environments favor Zerg in ZvT; the same can be said of ZvP due to how important quick and accurate forcefields along with blink micro are.

I don't see why it's so hard to accept that cross-server games should be taken with a massive grain of salt. Why can't people just enjoy matches and realize that they don't mean much since the conditions aren't ideal?
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
April 28 2012 07:40 GMT
#154
Can't wait to see MC kicking Steph's ass and shut all the fanboys up lol. What was the last time that Stephano ever beat MC anyway?
Unreliablex
Profile Joined October 2011
141 Posts
April 28 2012 08:17 GMT
#155
I really love Stephano and play zerg myself, but after MC beat DRG 3-0 (even though he lost later) he will probably take this series from Stephano.

Really close polls, me likes.
Rayjin
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany205 Posts
April 28 2012 08:17 GMT
#156
I dont understand why someone gets so much hate just because he things Stephano is able to win?!

You can't always look at statistics and say: this guy'll definitly win!

I've just compared what I saw from those 2 player recently, and my thoughts are that Stephano could win.
Maybe I predicted it correctly or wrong - only the showmatch will give me the answer, not any statistics ;-)
Thobrik
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden1120 Posts
April 28 2012 08:30 GMT
#157
i just turned the votes from 228-228 to 229-228 favoring Min Chul <3
"Philosophy is questions that may never be answered, Religion is answers that may never be questioned."
Sky101
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States1758 Posts
April 28 2012 08:35 GMT
#158
I just made it 229-229 because I like even numbers :D
Peter, Dang, pm me!!!
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
April 28 2012 08:46 GMT
#159
Holy awesome, this should be amazing to watch. Lets go Stephano!
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
April 28 2012 09:06 GMT
#160
On April 28 2012 13:57 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
But MC has achieved more big wins (especially GSL), made more money, and (most importantly, in this specific context) he's way ahead of Stephano in the head-to-head matches.


And none of those things have any effect whatsoever on the outcome of any of the following matches they play or indeed on how good they are relative to one another currently.
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
April 28 2012 09:32 GMT
#161
ez for mc
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
kAra
Profile Joined September 2004
Germany1355 Posts
April 28 2012 09:53 GMT
#162
this should be interesting, gogo mc!
mada mada dane
Nelz
Profile Joined December 2011
309 Posts
April 28 2012 09:55 GMT
#163
Unfortunately, Stephano practices a lot against Bling, and win pretty much all the games, that won't help him against MC. He doesn't have a practice partner who is near MC's level of PvZ, so even as a Stephano fan, MC will win.

When Stephano will be able to practice in Korea, i will have a different opinion.
MrMercuG
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands2389 Posts
April 28 2012 10:20 GMT
#164
MC is going to show Stephano what real PvZ is, he'll wreck him. I like stephano (sometimes when he shows up) but MC is to freaking good he is like 30-2 vs Z in 2012, Stephano won't beat him.
JerKy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)3013 Posts
April 28 2012 10:40 GMT
#165
Lezzgo MC
Predicting an ace match
You can type "StarCraft" with just your left hand.
Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
April 28 2012 10:50 GMT
#166
MC! could be a great match but would love stephano but think MC will take this 5-3 or 5-4
Live and Let Die!
watchman
Profile Joined January 2012
8 Posts
April 28 2012 10:59 GMT
#167
Both haters and fanboys are just freaking annoying in here ! i just can't understand how you guys continue arguing against each others since both of you are highly biased on the subject.
Couldn't we try to be more objective in here please ?

Fact are that MC is a more accomplished player than Stephano
Fact is that both of them are great players
Fact is that Stephano just never won a single map against MC (discounting the one where MC picked accidentally random)
Fact is that Stephano has very spectacular syle, which is very fun to watch

Those facts make this match even more exciting, and i can't wait to see it.

Personnally, i love Stephano's play 'cause he's so fucking good and fun to watch (i don't think i like his personality though) so i'll pick him for this !
But MC is awesome too and noone should try to deny this


GodOfWar
Profile Joined December 2011
870 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 11:09:40
April 28 2012 11:08 GMT
#168
On April 28 2012 05:04 skyflyfish wrote:
epic
if Stephano won, invite polt next time. how epic that gonna be~


lol, aLive as IPL4 champ should become next challenger.

iam sure he would give MC a run for his money.

predicting MC to come out on top here, his PvZ is still the best out of any Protoss.
Mvp Moon Squirtle
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
April 28 2012 11:10 GMT
#169
On April 28 2012 19:59 watchman wrote:
Both haters and fanboys are just freaking annoying in here ! i just can't understand how you guys continue arguing against each others since both of you are highly biased on the subject.
Couldn't we try to be more objective in here please ?

Fact are that MC is a more accomplished player than Stephano
Fact is that both of them are great players
Fact is that Stephano just never won a single map against MC (discounting the one where MC picked accidentally random)
Fact is that Stephano has very spectacular syle, which is very fun to watch

Those facts make this match even more exciting, and i can't wait to see it.

Personnally, i love Stephano's play 'cause he's so fucking good and fun to watch (i don't think i like his personality though) so i'll pick him for this !
But MC is awesome too and noone should try to deny this

Being named watchman gives you an automatic bonus to objectivity ? That's neat :D
Ylrahc
Profile Joined September 2011
France496 Posts
April 28 2012 11:22 GMT
#170
I can see the future, so I can announce MC 5 - 3 Stephano, i.e. close match, showing how good Stephano ZvP is, but showing how a PvZ beast MC is.
Stephano's play is a bit shaky atm, he comes back from a long holidays break, and MC is MC, the only protoss Stephano never managed to take a map from. So even if I know Stephano prepared a lot for this match (check his twitter ), I'd favor MC, but not by much.
Shadow and dust
watchman
Profile Joined January 2012
8 Posts
April 28 2012 11:23 GMT
#171
On April 28 2012 20:10 Otolia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 19:59 watchman wrote:
Both haters and fanboys are just freaking annoying in here ! i just can't understand how you guys continue arguing against each others since both of you are highly biased on the subject.
Couldn't we try to be more objective in here please ?

Fact are that MC is a more accomplished player than Stephano
Fact is that both of them are great players
Fact is that Stephano just never won a single map against MC (discounting the one where MC picked accidentally random)
Fact is that Stephano has very spectacular syle, which is very fun to watch

Those facts make this match even more exciting, and i can't wait to see it.

Personnally, i love Stephano's play 'cause he's so fucking good and fun to watch (i don't think i like his personality though) so i'll pick him for this !
But MC is awesome too and noone should try to deny this

Being named watchman gives you an automatic bonus to objectivity ? That's neat :D


Not at all, i'm just a "Watchmen movie" fan
Don't you think i was bringing some objectivity here ?
HGurryp
Profile Joined July 2011
275 Posts
April 28 2012 11:40 GMT
#172
mc 4-0 or mc 4-1, stephano zvp is very good but mc pvz is so good, i only see drg stopping him.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
April 28 2012 11:46 GMT
#173
finally stephano plays a protoss whos really strong at PvZ (ok jyp is not bad at all)
I really hope the games are gonna be good, I think there will be much to learn from this series
beep boop
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
April 28 2012 12:24 GMT
#174
On April 28 2012 20:23 watchman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 20:10 Otolia wrote:
On April 28 2012 19:59 watchman wrote:
Both haters and fanboys are just freaking annoying in here ! i just can't understand how you guys continue arguing against each others since both of you are highly biased on the subject.
Couldn't we try to be more objective in here please ?

Fact are that MC is a more accomplished player than Stephano
Fact is that both of them are great players
Fact is that Stephano just never won a single map against MC (discounting the one where MC picked accidentally random)
Fact is that Stephano has very spectacular syle, which is very fun to watch

Those facts make this match even more exciting, and i can't wait to see it.

Personnally, i love Stephano's play 'cause he's so fucking good and fun to watch (i don't think i like his personality though) so i'll pick him for this !
But MC is awesome too and noone should try to deny this

Being named watchman gives you an automatic bonus to objectivity ? That's neat :D


Not at all, i'm just a "Watchmen movie" fan
Don't you think i was bringing some objectivity here ?

What I think isn't very relevant to what you wrote. ^^ Your effort to accommodate everyone and see the better side of each player should be praised, no matter how objective you were. Besides I'm not really in a position to judge someone's objectivity. I just found the situation amusing.
Psyclon
Profile Joined July 2010
Bulgaria2443 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 14:02:15
April 28 2012 12:39 GMT
#175
Heart says 0:5.
Reason says 5:0.
Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds!
Funguuuuu
Profile Joined July 2011
United States198 Posts
April 28 2012 12:54 GMT
#176
Well, MC's style will probably suffer a bit from the latency, as it is very micro-intensive. Stephano might take this.
The night is dark and full of Terrans
Pogomais
Profile Joined April 2012
Mexico48 Posts
April 28 2012 12:56 GMT
#177
On April 28 2012 20:22 Ylrahc wrote:
I can see the future, so I can announce MC 5 - 3 Stephano, i.e. close match, showing how good Stephano ZvP is, but showing how a PvZ beast MC is.
Stephano's play is a bit shaky atm, he comes back from a long holidays break, and MC is MC, the only protoss Stephano never managed to take a map from. So even if I know Stephano prepared a lot for this match (check his twitter ), I'd favor MC, but not by much.


Was preparing for MLG Qualifiers
Dawg_Snow
Profile Joined September 2011
France425 Posts
April 28 2012 14:37 GMT
#178
Pretty pumped for the match !
Stephano, Sarens, Tarson, Mana, MMA, MVP -- Dawg EU Master Terran
hyperdemented
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria372 Posts
April 28 2012 15:16 GMT
#179
both players very good in this matchup, so its hard to call.

im a big stephano fan, but ill still give the edge to mc because of their history, and because of mcs pvz record in 2012.
still gonna be close games though, id say 5-4 or 5-3 in favor of mc.

anyways, hoping for great games!
The_Darkness
Profile Joined December 2011
United States910 Posts
April 28 2012 15:25 GMT
#180
I would have said Stephano 5:3, but after his 10 day or so hiatus following IPL4 Stephano hasn't looked in top form on stream and has lost to a bunch of random builds against Protoss (who finally seem to be adapting to his style). If MC just tries to two base all in and FFE against Stephano, Stephano will win. Stephano is 6-1 against JYP and JYP is better at the match up than MC. (This will be hard for most people to believe since they're much more familiar with MC but the stats don't lie. Look at the MC's and JYP's Elo's and match history in Korea. I'm aware that MC is 5-0 against Stephano but Stephano has as much as is humanly possible perfected his build against FFE, and 2 of those losses came nearly a year ago and 2 came when Stephano was badly hungover.)
To be is to be the value of a bound variable.
Flobsen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany55 Posts
April 28 2012 15:31 GMT
#181
are these live or replaycast?
Trowa127
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1230 Posts
April 28 2012 15:32 GMT
#182
How is Stephano winning the poll. Mind blowing.
Bling, MC, Snute, HwangSin, Deranging (<3) fan. 'Full name - ESP ORTS' Vote hotbid. Vote ESPORTS.
The_Darkness
Profile Joined December 2011
United States910 Posts
April 28 2012 15:38 GMT
#183
On April 28 2012 07:14 JohnMatrix wrote:
MC is the best PvZ player in the world along with Squirtle. Its going to be tough for Stephano


This is not at all the case. Squirtle, JYP, Hero, Oz, etc. are all statistically (and in actuality) better than MC at the matchup. (Look at their Korean vZ Elo's -- MC is simply not as good as everyone credits him.) MC is good at international events and has beaten Idra a bunch (and is famous); thus I'm assuming this is what accounts for everyone's thinking he's such a terror at the match up -- and don't get me wrong; he's good, he's beaten Stephano int he past, etc. but it's well within Stephano's power to beat MC convincingly. Because of Stephano's layoff (as I mention above) I'm not sure it will happen but Stephano's vP is assuming equal readiness better than MC's vZ. Perhaps MC can physche out Stephano has he has other foreign zerg, but assuming Stephano keeps a level head, I think this is a very close match.
To be is to be the value of a bound variable.
Heathen
Profile Joined January 2011
Philippines351 Posts
April 28 2012 15:39 GMT
#184
MC coz Protoss OP. Bubble POP POP POP
The_Darkness
Profile Joined December 2011
United States910 Posts
April 28 2012 15:41 GMT
#185
On April 28 2012 09:15 Bagration wrote:
MC wins. He crushed Violet last week so convincingly I have to give him the advantage. But this will be a great series.


And then lost to him just last week at MLG . . .
To be is to be the value of a bound variable.
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 15:55:21
April 28 2012 15:52 GMT
#186
On April 29 2012 00:38 The_Darkness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 07:14 JohnMatrix wrote:
MC is the best PvZ player in the world along with Squirtle. Its going to be tough for Stephano


This is not at all the case. Squirtle, JYP, Hero, Oz, etc. are all statistically (and in actuality) better than MC at the matchup. (Look at their Korean vZ Elo's -- MC is simply not as good as everyone credits him.) MC is good at international events and has beaten Idra a bunch (and is famous); thus I'm assuming this is what accounts for everyone's thinking he's such a terror at the match up -- and don't get me wrong; he's good, he's beaten Stephano int he past, etc. but it's well within Stephano's power to beat MC convincingly. Because of Stephano's layoff (as I mention above) I'm not sure it will happen but Stephano's vP is assuming equal readiness better than MC's vZ. Perhaps MC can physche out Stephano has he has other foreign zerg, but assuming Stephano keeps a level head, I think this is a very close match.

That is because you're looking at TLPD and considering every single match he's played. At one time PvZ was MC's worst matchup by far, but on 2012, he's only lost 2 series vs zerg and has defeated every single top zerg. Actually, I think that until he lost to viOlet, he hadn't lost a single game against a top zerg.

This year, MC has had the best PvZ in the world

Edit: He lost a game vs crazymoving, and one vs leenock, he hadn't lost any other vZ game until his loss to violet.
Ylrahc
Profile Joined September 2011
France496 Posts
April 28 2012 15:54 GMT
#187
On April 29 2012 00:31 Flobsen wrote:
are these live or replaycast?

Replaycast, match already happened.
Shadow and dust
Amaterasu1234
Profile Joined November 2010
United States317 Posts
April 28 2012 15:58 GMT
#188
Okay, I freakin' heart the crap out of Stephano...but MC's forcefields are unlike anything Stephano has yet to deal with, I think.

I'm sure it'll be ridiculously close, but, I honestly believe MC will come out on top...
kju
Profile Joined September 2010
6143 Posts
April 28 2012 16:05 GMT
#189
MC wins this 5:3
Stanlot
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5742 Posts
April 28 2012 16:18 GMT
#190
MC hasn't been looking too hot lately but I'll be damned if he's gonna lose to Stephano! GO MC!
MC: "Sentry Forcefield Forcefield Marauder... cage Marauder die die"
below66
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1761 Posts
April 28 2012 18:21 GMT
#191
Will definitely have a bowl packed ready for this one.
IM_Junior
Profile Joined April 2012
Mexico29 Posts
April 28 2012 19:03 GMT
#192
It will be nice to see how MC defend that 200/200 roach time attack !!!!!
Zerg for life !!! --- DRG / Stephano / Leenock / Life and Nesteaaaaaa
Alamaa
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway4 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 19:42:02
April 28 2012 19:05 GMT
#193
Removed
PopcornColonel
Profile Joined March 2011
United States769 Posts
April 28 2012 19:07 GMT
#194
Wow the polls are so close. I'm pumped for this.
Zerg delenda est.
Amornthep
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore2605 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 19:34:37
April 28 2012 19:18 GMT
#195
On April 29 2012 04:05 Alamaa wrote:
spoilers


Not sure if false information or trolling. The match history says otherwise.
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 19:22:50
April 28 2012 19:22 GMT
#196
I wonder why tournaments don't use cloaked maps with "equal" results (not win nor loss) to avoid spoilers.
Makuly
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Taiwan54 Posts
April 28 2012 19:29 GMT
#197
MC 5-0 stephano! MC's PvZ is just on a whole other level.....
Alamaa
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway4 Posts
April 28 2012 19:41 GMT
#198
On April 29 2012 04:05 Alamaa wrote:
Edit: spoilers

User was warned for this post



Sorry about the missinformation the results I posted was just a troll on reddit. Sorry guys!
radscorpion9
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada2252 Posts
April 28 2012 19:48 GMT
#199
Its so rare that you see such a close poll. This is going to be so exciting
Weird
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States832 Posts
April 28 2012 19:50 GMT
#200
Awwww yeah, just broke the tie in favor of MC!!!
CCAA
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany78 Posts
April 28 2012 19:53 GMT
#201
wtf is going on with this poll :D

when and on which server did they play? I don't think that they played already at IPL4. So lag could be a decisive factor.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
April 28 2012 19:57 GMT
#202
I just discovered the IPL VOD system, and I have to say this is amazing. This works really well, easy to find what you want, sick.
maracuja123
Profile Joined February 2012
Brazil419 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 20:11:01
April 28 2012 20:10 GMT
#203
When they cast, will be live games, or just live replays? (sry about stupid question).

And both will play in America server, right?
Nothingtosay
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States875 Posts
April 28 2012 20:12 GMT
#204
I really don't see MC losing this. Stephano is definitely the best ZvP player imo but I think that MC has shown that he knows how to specifically puncture Stephano's play style even if he is not the best PvZ player overall.

That being said I will not be shocked at all if Stephano does win unless he dominates MC.
[QUOTE][B]On October 16 2011 13:00 Anihc wrote:[/B] No, you're the one who's wrong. Nothingtosay got it right.[/QUOTE]:3
ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
April 28 2012 20:20 GMT
#205
yeah this is gonna be sick. Its really hard to predict who will win since both players are probably the best at these match ups currently. Can't wait!
TL+ Member
Tosster
Profile Joined August 2011
Poland299 Posts
April 28 2012 20:43 GMT
#206
I hope MC will be doin this phoenix+storm+charge build what he done to DRG roaches on cloud kingdom at mlg, looks amazing ^^
MCWins
Profile Joined April 2012
1 Post
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 20:53:20
April 28 2012 20:47 GMT
#207
Spoilers
maracuja123
Profile Joined February 2012
Brazil419 Posts
April 28 2012 20:49 GMT
#208
come on dont do that.. even though its in hide spoiler its not fair man
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 20:53:42
April 28 2012 20:51 GMT
#209
On April 29 2012 05:47 MCWins wrote:
spoilers

lol i really hope this is a joke by you and not actual spoilers, but i'm not going to click on them anyways.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Linog[e]
Profile Joined April 2012
59 Posts
April 28 2012 20:59 GMT
#210
Best ZvP vs Best PvZ ... omg
'Now you’re in the world of the wolves And we welcome all you sheep'
baudusau
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany58 Posts
April 28 2012 21:02 GMT
#211
On April 29 2012 05:10 maracuja123 wrote:
When they cast, will be live games, or just live replays? (sry about stupid question).

And both will play in America server, right?

+1
Amornthep
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore2605 Posts
April 28 2012 21:03 GMT
#212
Yes they are casted from replays and they both play on NA server yes.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
April 28 2012 21:23 GMT
#213
On April 29 2012 04:22 Lasbike wrote:
I wonder why tournaments don't use cloaked maps with "equal" results (not win nor loss) to avoid spoilers.


Isn't that how NASL does it?
NKB
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom608 Posts
April 28 2012 21:52 GMT
#214
I want Stephano to win And then IPL can invite Polt for an epic rematch
Some times you just gotta wish...
HaXeR
Profile Joined December 2011
Czech Republic189 Posts
April 28 2012 22:03 GMT
#215
On April 29 2012 05:12 Nothingtosay wrote:
I really don't see MC losing this. Stephano is definitely the best foreigner ZvP player imo but I think that MC has shown that he knows how to specifically puncture Stephano's play style even if he is not the best PvZ player overall.

That being said I will not be shocked at all if Stephano does win unless he dominates MC.

Fixed that for you
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
April 28 2012 22:06 GMT
#216
On April 29 2012 07:03 HaXeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 05:12 Nothingtosay wrote:
I really don't see MC losing this. Stephano is definitely the best foreigner ZvP player imo but I think that MC has shown that he knows how to specifically puncture Stephano's play style even if he is not the best PvZ player overall.

That being said I will not be shocked at all if Stephano does win unless he dominates MC.

Fixed that for you

he dont need to your fix.

stephano is the best ZvPer.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
April 28 2012 22:10 GMT
#217
On April 29 2012 04:53 CCAA wrote:
wtf is going on with this poll :D
hah, indeed + Show Spoiler +
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If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
SergioCQH
Profile Joined October 2010
United States143 Posts
April 28 2012 22:15 GMT
#218
On April 29 2012 07:06 dragonborn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 07:03 HaXeR wrote:
On April 29 2012 05:12 Nothingtosay wrote:
I really don't see MC losing this. Stephano is definitely the best foreigner ZvP player imo but I think that MC has shown that he knows how to specifically puncture Stephano's play style even if he is not the best PvZ player overall.

That being said I will not be shocked at all if Stephano does win unless he dominates MC.

Fixed that for you

he dont need to your fix.

stephano is the best ZvPer.


No, the best ZvPer is DRG. Not even close.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 28 2012 22:16 GMT
#219
On April 29 2012 07:06 dragonborn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 07:03 HaXeR wrote:
On April 29 2012 05:12 Nothingtosay wrote:
I really don't see MC losing this. Stephano is definitely the best foreigner ZvP player imo but I think that MC has shown that he knows how to specifically puncture Stephano's play style even if he is not the best PvZ player overall.

That being said I will not be shocked at all if Stephano does win unless he dominates MC.

Fixed that for you

he dont need to your fix.

stephano is the best ZvPer.


I respectfully disagree with you that Stephano is the best ZvP player, because his stats are inflated due to numerous wins over foreign Protoss and the fact that he hasn't had that large of a tournament record against top Protosses. He's very good at ZvP, probably top 10 worldwide, but I hesitate to call him the best.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 22:20:03
April 28 2012 22:18 GMT
#220
On April 29 2012 07:15 SergioCQH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 07:06 dragonborn wrote:
On April 29 2012 07:03 HaXeR wrote:
On April 29 2012 05:12 Nothingtosay wrote:
I really don't see MC losing this. Stephano is definitely the best foreigner ZvP player imo but I think that MC has shown that he knows how to specifically puncture Stephano's play style even if he is not the best PvZ player overall.

That being said I will not be shocked at all if Stephano does win unless he dominates MC.

Fixed that for you

he dont need to your fix.

stephano is the best ZvPer.


No, the best ZvPer is DRG. Not even close.


DRG is the best ZvPer but Stephano is right behind.

Violet, Nestea, Leenock, Losira, Lucky, Curious, etc. are his peers.
Firlefanz
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany245 Posts
April 28 2012 22:19 GMT
#221
Can't we just enjoy the games and not argue about which player has achieved what? Why always the hate towards certain players?
It makes me very sad to read these kind of threads before a showmatch/tournament.
cOoLiD
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada168 Posts
April 28 2012 22:24 GMT
#222
After Stephano wins they should get NaNiwa into this :D
Nothingtosay
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States875 Posts
April 28 2012 22:24 GMT
#223
On April 29 2012 07:19 Firlefanz wrote:
Can't we just enjoy the games and not argue about which player has achieved what? Why always the hate towards certain players?
It makes me very sad to read these kind of threads before a showmatch/tournament.

I really hope you never go to a forum for a mainstream sport before a game if you don't like people comparing what has been done in the past.
[QUOTE][B]On October 16 2011 13:00 Anihc wrote:[/B] No, you're the one who's wrong. Nothingtosay got it right.[/QUOTE]:3
Firlefanz
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany245 Posts
April 28 2012 22:32 GMT
#224
On April 29 2012 07:24 Nothingtosay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 07:19 Firlefanz wrote:
Can't we just enjoy the games and not argue about which player has achieved what? Why always the hate towards certain players?
It makes me very sad to read these kind of threads before a showmatch/tournament.

I really hope you never go to a forum for a mainstream sport before a game if you don't like people comparing what has been done in the past.

What i really dislike is the aggressive behaviour some people show in these threads. It looks like some people see it as a personal attack if someone is not sharing the same opinion as them.

Anyways i'm not fluent enough in english to describe my point of view properly - still hoping for entertaining and close games.
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
April 28 2012 22:49 GMT
#225
This is the DREAM matchup I wanted to see!!!!


I can't wait to see how MC plays against the 12 minute Roach Max style.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
Eshra
Profile Joined April 2011
France1009 Posts
April 28 2012 22:55 GMT
#226
Ahah, I was about to go to bed and then I saw that this showmatch would happen in an hour. Seems like my bed will have to wait. :D
noidontthinkso
Profile Joined April 2011
Greece94 Posts
April 28 2012 22:56 GMT
#227
live or replay cast?
i5 2500k @ 4.5 GHz, GTX560 Ti, 8GB G-Skill RipJaws DDR3-2000 @1600Mhz CAS 6
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
April 28 2012 23:05 GMT
#228
On April 29 2012 07:32 Firlefanz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 07:24 Nothingtosay wrote:
On April 29 2012 07:19 Firlefanz wrote:
Can't we just enjoy the games and not argue about which player has achieved what? Why always the hate towards certain players?
It makes me very sad to read these kind of threads before a showmatch/tournament.

I really hope you never go to a forum for a mainstream sport before a game if you don't like people comparing what has been done in the past.

What i really dislike is the aggressive behaviour some people show in these threads. It looks like some people see it as a personal attack if someone is not sharing the same opinion as them.

Anyways i'm not fluent enough in english to describe my point of view properly - still hoping for entertaining and close games.

lol welcome to the internet.
this "aggressive behavior" in this thread is nothing compared to the major tourney LRs like IPL4, MLG, DH.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Chunhyang
Profile Joined December 2011
Bangladesh1389 Posts
April 28 2012 23:10 GMT
#229
On April 29 2012 08:05 Whatson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 07:32 Firlefanz wrote:
On April 29 2012 07:24 Nothingtosay wrote:
On April 29 2012 07:19 Firlefanz wrote:
Can't we just enjoy the games and not argue about which player has achieved what? Why always the hate towards certain players?
It makes me very sad to read these kind of threads before a showmatch/tournament.

I really hope you never go to a forum for a mainstream sport before a game if you don't like people comparing what has been done in the past.

What i really dislike is the aggressive behaviour some people show in these threads. It looks like some people see it as a personal attack if someone is not sharing the same opinion as them.

Anyways i'm not fluent enough in english to describe my point of view properly - still hoping for entertaining and close games.

lol welcome to the internet.
this "aggressive behavior" in this thread is nothing compared to the major tourney LRs like IPL4, MLG, DH.


No it's not, it's VERY AGGRESSIVE in here. Are you not sharing the same opinion as me? Get a life and #$@ your #$%@#%@##@#$
If you could reason with haters, there would be no haters. YGTMYFT
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
April 28 2012 23:11 GMT
#230
On April 29 2012 07:49 Havik_ wrote:
This is the DREAM matchup I wanted to see. I can't wait to see how MC plays against the 12 minute Roach Max style.

MCfield have no fear of roaches.. No matter how many or fast.
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
April 28 2012 23:20 GMT
#231
Hm, I wonder if the VODs will be up as the match finishes, or they do it manually... does anyone know?
(I'd like to go to sleep and watch the vods when i wake up - don't wanna wait EU rebroadcast)
Deindar
Profile Joined May 2010
United States302 Posts
April 28 2012 23:21 GMT
#232
I wonder if we'll see some two base timing attacks from MC...
EG|Liquid|QxG|DTG fighting!
Grantler
Profile Joined August 2010
United States228 Posts
April 28 2012 23:31 GMT
#233
Wow, polls are 50/50 thats nuts. So excited!
zelgadissan
Profile Joined October 2010
United States389 Posts
April 28 2012 23:37 GMT
#234
So what would you call a Protoss player rooting for Stephano? Infested zealot? Zerglot? Raszagal?

Anyway, 5-2 MC
"It's like Detroit in there" "Lots of shootings and damaged buildings" - Artosis/Tasteless
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 23:38:33
April 28 2012 23:38 GMT
#235
I'd like Stephano to win after MC gives his best games, but I think the poll should heavily favor MC. Seems like people are voting with their hearts, Stephano is unproven, his big successes (games vs formidable opponents) can be counted on the fingers.
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
April 28 2012 23:38 GMT
#236
On April 29 2012 08:37 zelgadissan wrote:
So what would you call a Protoss player rooting for Stephano? Infested zealot? Zerglot? Raszagal?

Anyway, 5-2 MC


BETRAYER
loginn
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France815 Posts
April 28 2012 23:41 GMT
#237
I'm so pumped up. HYPE !
Stephano, Taking skill to the bank since IPL3. Also Lucifron and FBH
TheRhox
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada868 Posts
April 28 2012 23:41 GMT
#238
This needs to happen already!! My food is getting cold and I'm feeling so impatient!! :DD
Phobbers
Profile Joined May 2011
773 Posts
April 28 2012 23:42 GMT
#239
MC should take this, I see it being 5-3 in his favor.
EG/C9/ALL/TSM
Strike_
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands704 Posts
April 28 2012 23:42 GMT
#240
Almost 2 am!! I think I'm going to fall asleep before game 1 even ends.
Valikyr
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
April 28 2012 23:43 GMT
#241
Stephano has yet to take a game off MC in official matches. Hope he can take atleast a game or two today.
krnboyxjin
Profile Joined April 2011
United States98 Posts
April 28 2012 23:47 GMT
#242
mcz FFs for da win
starcrafttt and STORK!!! forevaaaaaaa!!!
TheRhox
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada868 Posts
April 28 2012 23:47 GMT
#243
On April 29 2012 08:38 niteReloaded wrote:
I'd like Stephano to win after MC gives his best games, but I think the poll should heavily favor MC. Seems like people are voting with their hearts, Stephano is unproven, his big successes (games vs formidable opponents) can be counted on the fingers.


In the past month alone he's taken games off Thorzin, Whitera, Curious, JYP, and Bomber, and also going 1-2 vs MKP and Nestea is still pretty impressive despite the fact that he did lose those games.
He may not be as proven as MC, but I definately wouldn't go so far to claim that MC is heavily favored in this MU, I'd say he has a pretty damn good chance of taking it.
smash1
Profile Joined January 2012
60 Posts
April 28 2012 23:47 GMT
#244
Yo this tarts in 10 minutes right? just making sure, dont wanna miss this
TheRhox
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada868 Posts
April 28 2012 23:48 GMT
#245
On April 29 2012 08:47 smash1 wrote:
Yo this tarts in 10 minutes right? just making sure, dont wanna miss this


Yeah
ypslala
Profile Joined April 2011
Burma545 Posts
April 28 2012 23:50 GMT
#246
MC, the boss, the god toss: i wish you good luck!
best SC2 game of aaaaaaall time: vibe vs avilo (don't miss the end!!): https://youtu.be/mygH92WzKV4
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 23:56:54
April 28 2012 23:54 GMT
#247
On April 29 2012 08:47 TheRhox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 08:38 niteReloaded wrote:
I'd like Stephano to win after MC gives his best games, but I think the poll should heavily favor MC. Seems like people are voting with their hearts, Stephano is unproven, his big successes (games vs formidable opponents) can be counted on the fingers.


In the past month alone he's taken games off Thorzin, Whitera, Curious, JYP, and Bomber, and also going 1-2 vs MKP and Nestea is still pretty impressive despite the fact that he did lose those games.
He may not be as proven as MC, but I definately wouldn't go so far to claim that MC is heavily favored in this MU, I'd say he has a pretty damn good chance of taking it.

You shouldn't mention Thorzain and White-Ra. As great as they are in the foreigner world, they're even more unproven on the global scale.

Also, Stephano's victories vs Koreans were mostly in BO3s and some BO5s. This is a BO9 so a lot of the mind games etc will be reduced, and the mechanical skill and just pure solid SC2 skill should come out on top. I don't see a Korean beast like MC who practices like he does losing this... Hats off to Stephano if he manages to win, I'd certainly be even more impressed by the guy.
utlanning
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia6 Posts
April 28 2012 23:57 GMT
#248
Stephano's ZvP is also quite good, so unproven as he is, this should be an exciting match.
TheRhox
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada868 Posts
April 29 2012 00:00 GMT
#249
On April 29 2012 08:54 niteReloaded wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 08:47 TheRhox wrote:
On April 29 2012 08:38 niteReloaded wrote:
I'd like Stephano to win after MC gives his best games, but I think the poll should heavily favor MC. Seems like people are voting with their hearts, Stephano is unproven, his big successes (games vs formidable opponents) can be counted on the fingers.


In the past month alone he's taken games off Thorzin, Whitera, Curious, JYP, and Bomber, and also going 1-2 vs MKP and Nestea is still pretty impressive despite the fact that he did lose those games.
He may not be as proven as MC, but I definately wouldn't go so far to claim that MC is heavily favored in this MU, I'd say he has a pretty damn good chance of taking it.

You shouldn't mention Thorzain and White-Ra. As great as they are in the foreigner world, they're even more unproven on the global scale.


Okay, Whitera has been in a bit up of a slump lately .. But Thorzain could be definately be considered a code S quality player
the`postman
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1643 Posts
April 29 2012 00:01 GMT
#250
Oh man, Stephano vs MC into Polt, this is amazing.
Lunares
Profile Joined May 2010
United States909 Posts
April 29 2012 00:01 GMT
#251
Kevin's mic has some sort of weird finish to it , sounds weird...
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
April 29 2012 00:02 GMT
#252
Such a great pick by IPL, very very interesting matchup. GOGO MC!
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17656 Posts
April 29 2012 00:03 GMT
#253
MC FIGHTING!!!!
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
April 29 2012 00:04 GMT
#254
MC 17 probe nexus first, drops a forge after.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
April 29 2012 00:06 GMT
#255
Not sure if Stephano saw the fast +1 atk research.
Amornthep
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore2605 Posts
April 29 2012 00:06 GMT
#256
MC 5-3 inc.
TheRhox
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada868 Posts
April 29 2012 00:08 GMT
#257
omg, thats so unlucky
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
April 29 2012 00:08 GMT
#258
Hero Pylon !
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
April 29 2012 00:09 GMT
#259
8:00 +1 zealot attack by MC does a bit of damage after his pylon stays alive by 10-20 hps.

MC takes a third.
TheRhox
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada868 Posts
April 29 2012 00:09 GMT
#260
On April 29 2012 09:09 Azarkon wrote:
8:00 +1 zealot attack by MC does a bit of damage after his pylon stays alive by 10-20 hps.

MC takes a third.


4hp x.x
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
April 29 2012 00:10 GMT
#261
MC's game plan is just beautiful, so so tight.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
April 29 2012 00:10 GMT
#262
Stephano is not doing his roach smush build, its been a while since I've seen him majorly deviate. I cant help feeling that MC got crazy lucky with that pylon though.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
ChowChillaCharlie
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden677 Posts
April 29 2012 00:11 GMT
#263
Alright, stupid question, but I can't for the life of me find the full screen button =X
Anyone mind telling me where it's at?
TheRhox
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada868 Posts
April 29 2012 00:12 GMT
#264
On April 29 2012 09:10 MCDayC wrote:
Stephano is not doing his roach smush build, its been a while since I've seen him majorly deviate. I cant help feeling that MC got crazy lucky with that pylon though.


I don't think that style would work against a player like MC.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
April 29 2012 00:12 GMT
#265
MC upgrading +3/+3 after finishing +2/+2 at the 14:00 mark.
Amornthep
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore2605 Posts
April 29 2012 00:13 GMT
#266
MC's doing very well this game.
ImmortalTofu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1254 Posts
April 29 2012 00:13 GMT
#267
And MC throws down the SG JUST as greater spire goes up, omg he's got his timings down to the WIRE O.o
"Friendship ain't a business deal"
kju
Profile Joined September 2010
6143 Posts
April 29 2012 00:14 GMT
#268
On April 29 2012 09:12 TheRhox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:10 MCDayC wrote:
Stephano is not doing his roach smush build, its been a while since I've seen him majorly deviate. I cant help feeling that MC got crazy lucky with that pylon though.


I don't think that style would work against a player like MC.


especially not after that pressure zealot
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
April 29 2012 00:14 GMT
#269
STEPHANO <3
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
April 29 2012 00:15 GMT
#270
Stephano so sick on that BL timing.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
April 29 2012 00:15 GMT
#271
MC should just go stalker blob 3-3 pwns
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
April 29 2012 00:15 GMT
#272
MC pushes out with 3 colossi but clutch defense by Stephano's brood lords. MC loses his army.
Sra
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands75 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 00:18:14
April 29 2012 00:16 GMT
#273
On April 29 2012 09:11 ChowChillaCharlie wrote:
Alright, stupid question, but I can't for the life of me find the full screen button =X
Anyone mind telling me where it's at?



Click on the video so it opens in justin tv, then maximize
dunno
intel21
Profile Joined March 2011
67 Posts
April 29 2012 00:16 GMT
#274
Is this live or has this already been played??
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
April 29 2012 00:17 GMT
#275
On April 29 2012 09:16 intel21 wrote:
Is this live or has this already been played??


2am in france, I'm guessing it isn't live
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 00:19:37
April 29 2012 00:17 GMT
#276
On April 29 2012 09:16 intel21 wrote:
Is this live or has this already been played??

Casted live from replays.
edit : seems not
ChowChillaCharlie
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden677 Posts
April 29 2012 00:18 GMT
#277
On April 29 2012 09:16 Sra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:11 ChowChillaCharlie wrote:
Alright, stupid question, but I can't for the life of me find the full screen button =X
Anyone mind telling me where it's at?



Click on it so it opens in justin tv, then maximize

Should've just done that from the beginning X)

Thnx.
masakenji
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia415 Posts
April 29 2012 00:18 GMT
#278
doa not seeing the battle correctly
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 00:19:25
April 29 2012 00:19 GMT
#279
On April 29 2012 09:16 intel21 wrote:
Is this live or has this already been played??


neither live nor live-cast, it's from replays and prerecorded
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
April 29 2012 00:19 GMT
#280
damn, stephano was behind early game and now is ahead. if he spreads bls correctly I'll think he'll win!
BuzZoo
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1468 Posts
April 29 2012 00:19 GMT
#281
On April 29 2012 09:17 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:16 intel21 wrote:
Is this live or has this already been played??

Casted live from replays.


Apparently it was finished almost immediately before the cast too, so it's as close to live as replays can be.
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
April 29 2012 00:19 GMT
#282
On April 29 2012 09:19 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:16 intel21 wrote:
Is this live or has this already been played??


neither live nor live-cast, it's from replays and prerecorded

its livecast.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
April 29 2012 00:21 GMT
#283
On April 29 2012 09:19 BuzZoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:17 MrCon wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:16 intel21 wrote:
Is this live or has this already been played??

Casted live from replays.


Apparently it was finished almost immediately before the cast too, so it's as close to live as replays can be.

My bad, even better this way
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
April 29 2012 00:21 GMT
#284
This is the final test for Stephano. Winning this would silence half of Stephano's haters. You can do it, pal!
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 00:21:44
April 29 2012 00:21 GMT
#285
On April 29 2012 09:16 intel21 wrote:
Is this live or has this already been played??

This is from replay. Casters say those have been played right before the show, but I think they were played 2 days ago. The cast is live though.
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
April 29 2012 00:21 GMT
#286
man, zvp late game is so stale, 15 minutes of posturing into 5 second battle
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
April 29 2012 00:22 GMT
#287
22 broodlords lol
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
April 29 2012 00:22 GMT
#288
game got really boring T_T
Amornthep
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore2605 Posts
April 29 2012 00:22 GMT
#289
lol feedbacks
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
April 29 2012 00:22 GMT
#290
Stephano getting like 15 infestors feedbacked.
TheRhox
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada868 Posts
April 29 2012 00:22 GMT
#291
LOL wow those feedbacks!
utlanning
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia6 Posts
April 29 2012 00:22 GMT
#292
holy crap feedback
Sovano
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1503 Posts
April 29 2012 00:23 GMT
#293
OMG DAT FEEDBACK!!!
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
April 29 2012 00:23 GMT
#294
On April 29 2012 09:21 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
This is the final test for Stephano. Winning this would silence half of Stephano's haters. You can do it, pal!


haters are saving their trump card, i.e korean lag
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
April 29 2012 00:23 GMT
#295
that was so fucking sloppy by stephano
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
April 29 2012 00:23 GMT
#296
Those feedbacks! *-* Soooo good Bye allllll those infestors :D
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
April 29 2012 00:23 GMT
#297
On April 29 2012 09:22 hifriend wrote:
game got really boring T_T


zvp late game is gonna zvp late game
Pipeline
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1673 Posts
April 29 2012 00:23 GMT
#298
this is a terrible game
TheRhox
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada868 Posts
April 29 2012 00:24 GMT
#299
that was a bad decision by mc..
0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Spain2464 Posts
April 29 2012 00:24 GMT
#300
lol gglords
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
April 29 2012 00:24 GMT
#301
NOO! Don't say that MC is doing something to BM in the first game of the series, that was obviously a positional Vortex.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
MilesTeg
Profile Joined September 2010
France1271 Posts
April 29 2012 00:24 GMT
#302
Looool at MC! That cocky idiot
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
April 29 2012 00:24 GMT
#303
Great game! be patient stephano, don' clump and YOU CANT LOSE. Expo as welL!
Amornthep
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore2605 Posts
April 29 2012 00:24 GMT
#304
Questionable vortex uses by MC, he did well to stay in the game though.
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
April 29 2012 00:25 GMT
#305
2/2 + 3/3 ground so strong with tons of broods
Belha
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy2850 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 00:27:04
April 29 2012 00:25 GMT
#306
Bleh.. classic post 20 min PvZ scenario....

MC failed the 3 base timing push before brood, then the spine, infestor, brood did the rest.
Chicken gank op
Zheryn
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3653 Posts
April 29 2012 00:25 GMT
#307
Wow this is one of the best ZvPs I have ever seen. Sick to think about that this is the first game of hopefully 9! :D
hundred thousand krouner
TheRhox
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada868 Posts
April 29 2012 00:25 GMT
#308
GG
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
April 29 2012 00:25 GMT
#309
yeah that game was fucking terrible
utlanning
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia6 Posts
April 29 2012 00:25 GMT
#310
stephano is pretty good
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
April 29 2012 00:25 GMT
#311
--- Nuked ---
Lennient
Profile Joined January 2012
497 Posts
April 29 2012 00:25 GMT
#312
Stephano so gosu, 4 more to go!!
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
April 29 2012 00:25 GMT
#313
Stephano didnt win single map against MC.

NO MORE HATERS.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
April 29 2012 00:25 GMT
#314
...

well that was a great game 1. lol.

This is gonna be a great series, guys!
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
April 29 2012 00:25 GMT
#315
On April 29 2012 09:19 dragonborn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:19 StarVe wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:16 intel21 wrote:
Is this live or has this already been played??


neither live nor live-cast, it's from replays and prerecorded

its livecast.


zestzorb
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand776 Posts
April 29 2012 00:25 GMT
#316
MC fucked up pretty hard
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 00:26:41
April 29 2012 00:25 GMT
#317
Oh c'mon, MC... That was fucking retarded. Threw the game because he was arrogant... God damn it, MC
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5523 Posts
April 29 2012 00:25 GMT
#318
Those infestors, oh my heart hurts.
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
April 29 2012 00:26 GMT
#319
On April 29 2012 09:25 utlanning wrote:
stephano is pretty good


wow, you realized that quite early oO
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
April 29 2012 00:26 GMT
#320
32 minutes? so it was an amazing epic game yeah?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 29 2012 00:26 GMT
#321
What a sick game!
MC picking Ohana, probably has something planned.
JyB
Profile Joined January 2012
France466 Posts
April 29 2012 00:26 GMT
#322
Amazing first game OMG
JitnikoVi
Profile Joined May 2010
Russian Federation396 Posts
April 29 2012 00:26 GMT
#323
holy crap, this is insane, game 1 was one of the best games ive seen in a very long time
In theory yes, but theoretically, no.
Ranir
Profile Joined June 2011
413 Posts
April 29 2012 00:26 GMT
#324
When were those played btw?
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
April 29 2012 00:26 GMT
#325
On April 29 2012 09:25 utlanning wrote:
zerg is pretty good


fixed for ZvP
Jisall
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2054 Posts
April 29 2012 00:26 GMT
#326
Stephano boss. Calling him taking it 5-0
Monk: Because being a badass is more fun then playing a dude wearing a scarf.. ... Ite fuck it, Witch Doctor cuz I like killing stuff in a timely mannor.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
April 29 2012 00:26 GMT
#327
Vortexing everything is absolutely vital in late game PvZ

Well played by Stephano. Very smart to keep spreading his units.

1-0 Stephano.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
April 29 2012 00:26 GMT
#328
On April 29 2012 09:25 Aocowns wrote:
Oh c',mon, MC... That was fucking retarded. Threw the game because he was arrogant... God damn it, MC


Don't know if he would have won with that extra vortex (stephano splits BLs as well as anyone), but it certainly could not have hurt.
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 00:28:44
April 29 2012 00:26 GMT
#329
Are we going to have 8 more like that? Wow.

MC's positional vortex proved costly in that final battle. To be fair 22 Broodlords is quite a scary force. MC did well to use feeback on those infestors. Stephano just responded by immediately building 12 more infestors!
maracuja123
Profile Joined February 2012
Brazil419 Posts
April 29 2012 00:26 GMT
#330
On April 29 2012 09:26 Ranir wrote:
When were those played btw?

earlier today
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
April 29 2012 00:26 GMT
#331
Holy shit what a great game and we can expect alot more
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
Funguuuuu
Profile Joined July 2011
United States198 Posts
April 29 2012 00:26 GMT
#332
He might've won it if he hadn't wasted his first vortex on one broodlord. T.T
The night is dark and full of Terrans
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
April 29 2012 00:26 GMT
#333
That pretty much summed up PvZ for ya. Hit vortex = protoss win, miss vortex = zerg win.
Jono7272
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom6330 Posts
April 29 2012 00:27 GMT
#334
I think Stephano is a pretty cool guy, eh makes broodlords and doesnt afraid of anything.
Innovation | Flash | Mvp | Byun | TY
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
April 29 2012 00:27 GMT
#335
On April 29 2012 09:26 Jisall wrote:
Stephano boss. Calling him taking it 5-0


Calling you being wrong

Nothing personal.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
TheRhox
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada868 Posts
April 29 2012 00:27 GMT
#336
On April 29 2012 09:26 revel8 wrote:
Are we going to have 8 more like that? Wow.

MC's positional vortex proved costly in that final battle.


One can only hope we do
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
April 29 2012 00:27 GMT
#337
I feel like at that point, you NEED Void Rays.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
Vendemmia
Profile Joined September 2010
Italy198 Posts
April 29 2012 00:27 GMT
#338
it's a best of? best of 7?
BuzZoo
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1468 Posts
April 29 2012 00:27 GMT
#339
People saying that was an awful game???
Really???
Majynx
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1431 Posts
April 29 2012 00:27 GMT
#340
Good start to the series. Crazy feedbacks.
tymt
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden293 Posts
April 29 2012 00:27 GMT
#341
On April 29 2012 09:26 mememolly wrote:
32 minutes? so it was an amazing epic game yeah?

32 minutes and yelling everytime a spell is cast, of course it was epic.
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
April 29 2012 00:27 GMT
#342
On April 29 2012 09:26 red4ce wrote:
That pretty much summed up PvZ for ya. Hit vortex = protoss win, miss vortex = zerg win.

pretty much sums up the race in general xD replace vortex with FF and it pretty much works in any matchup haha
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
April 29 2012 00:27 GMT
#343
On April 29 2012 09:25 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:19 dragonborn wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:19 StarVe wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:16 intel21 wrote:
Is this live or has this already been played??


neither live nor live-cast, it's from replays and prerecorded

its livecast.


https://twitter.com/#!/KevinKnocke/status/196296132018700288


it's live game but cast was done last week, zvp is so predictable you can do that
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
April 29 2012 00:27 GMT
#344
Stephano was way too ahead for 15 infestors dying instantly to matter. MC had to land an absolutely killer vortex to win against 20+ brood lords when his army was 4-5 archons a couple of HTs and the rest in stalkers and colossi. MC had to transition into another composition to beat that head on. Two base play next game?
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
April 29 2012 00:28 GMT
#345
Did MC play bad or did Stephano make him look bad? I don't watch sc2 regularly enough...
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
April 29 2012 00:28 GMT
#346
On April 29 2012 09:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:26 Jisall wrote:
Stephano boss. Calling him taking it 5-0


Calling you being wrong

Nothing personal.


yeah. even worst case scenario MC can get a all in win. nobody has tighter all ins than mc.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
April 29 2012 00:28 GMT
#347
On April 29 2012 09:27 Vendemmia wrote:
it's a best of? best of 7?

BO9
jnsjr
Profile Joined February 2011
United States461 Posts
April 29 2012 00:28 GMT
#348
Lol, those vortexes did not pay for themselves. T_T GG. Looking forward to the rest of this series.
Z: Idra #1 Stephano JD Scarlett Dimaga Life Violet DRG Sen; T: Demuslim Puma Illusion Bomber Polt TSpoon Strelok; P: Hasuobs Huk; Casters: Apollo #1 Axslav DJWheat Tasteless Bitter Artosis Incontrol RSimpson Psy Team: Let's GO EG!!
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
April 29 2012 00:29 GMT
#349
Honestly people are calling this game so good when its just okay =/
DifuntO
Profile Joined November 2011
Greece2376 Posts
April 29 2012 00:29 GMT
#350
Great game #1,awesome feedbacks,shit ton of Brood lords,pretty cool stuff.
All I do is Stim.
TheRhox
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada868 Posts
April 29 2012 00:29 GMT
#351
On April 29 2012 09:28 niteReloaded wrote:
Did MC play bad or did Stephano make him look bad? I don't watch sc2 regularly enough...


Neither, both players played extremely well, MC was a little bit overconfident though it seemed.
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
April 29 2012 00:29 GMT
#352
On April 29 2012 09:27 BuzZoo wrote:
People saying that was an awful game???
Really???

lol it was really bad.. endless posturing with no engagement. I hate it when sc2 games play out like this, when there's zero harassment and no splitting of armies, then a 5 second battle to close the 15 minute stalemate.
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
April 29 2012 00:29 GMT
#353
On April 29 2012 09:26 FairForever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:25 Aocowns wrote:
Oh c',mon, MC... That was fucking retarded. Threw the game because he was arrogant... God damn it, MC


Don't know if he would have won with that extra vortex (stephano splits BLs as well as anyone), but it certainly could not have hurt.

Not attacking after killing all those infestors was pretty bad too...There was nothing to keep his stalkers from blinking under the Blord cloud >_< And yeah, another vortex could've turned the game if Stephano just messs up for a second
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Sovano
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1503 Posts
April 29 2012 00:29 GMT
#354
If MC had saved that vortex he used on that 1 brood lord, he may have been able to win that. Idk that's just my opinion. Though he did lack a lot of archons that's needed for the toilet.
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
April 29 2012 00:30 GMT
#355
On April 29 2012 09:29 hifriend wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:27 BuzZoo wrote:
People saying that was an awful game???
Really???

lol it was really bad.. endless posturing with no engagement. I hate it when sc2 games play out like this, when there's zero harassment and no splitting of armies, then a 5 second battle to close the 15 minute stalemate.

this exactly, i hate macro games where the players sit around and don't do jack shit 3/4 of the game.. i can do that in my plat league just fine and don't need to watch a progame doing the exact same shit.
Cassel_Castle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States820 Posts
April 29 2012 00:30 GMT
#356
On April 29 2012 09:27 tymt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:26 mememolly wrote:
32 minutes? so it was an amazing epic game yeah?

32 minutes and yelling everytime a spell is cast, of course it was epic.


Heh I was afraid my speakers would explode at the end there. Not the worst commentary but very loud at times.
obesemk
Profile Joined January 2010
Norway267 Posts
April 29 2012 00:30 GMT
#357
Stephano showing he is the better player.
whiterabbit
Profile Joined June 2009
2675 Posts
April 29 2012 00:30 GMT
#358
On April 29 2012 09:23 Pipeline wrote:
this is a terrible game


This is why we can't have nice things.
NUTELLA y u no make me skinny?!?
TheRhox
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada868 Posts
April 29 2012 00:30 GMT
#359
On April 29 2012 09:29 hifriend wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:27 BuzZoo wrote:
People saying that was an awful game???
Really???

lol it was really bad.. endless posturing with no engagement. I hate it when sc2 games play out like this, when there's zero harassment and no splitting of armies, then a 5 second battle to close the 15 minute stalemate.


Just because the observers missed it doesn't mean it never happened. There was plenty of harass that game
loginn
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France815 Posts
April 29 2012 00:30 GMT
#360
On April 29 2012 09:28 niteReloaded wrote:
Did MC play bad or did Stephano make him look bad? I don't watch sc2 regularly enough...


Both i'd say. MC didn't play his A game for sure. But Stephano's macro and splitting was great.
Stephano, Taking skill to the bank since IPL3. Also Lucifron and FBH
the`postman
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1643 Posts
April 29 2012 00:31 GMT
#361
On April 29 2012 09:30 sc14s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:29 hifriend wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:27 BuzZoo wrote:
People saying that was an awful game???
Really???

lol it was really bad.. endless posturing with no engagement. I hate it when sc2 games play out like this, when there's zero harassment and no splitting of armies, then a 5 second battle to close the 15 minute stalemate.

this exactly, i hate macro games where the players sit around and don't do jack shit 3/4 of the game.. i can do that in my plat league just fine and don't need to watch a progame doing the exact same shit.

this is so ignorant
Supah
Profile Joined August 2010
708 Posts
April 29 2012 00:31 GMT
#362
Is it just me, or is stream quality a lot lower than the usual?
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 00:32:01
April 29 2012 00:31 GMT
#363
On April 29 2012 09:31 the`postman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:30 sc14s wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:29 hifriend wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:27 BuzZoo wrote:
People saying that was an awful game???
Really???

lol it was really bad.. endless posturing with no engagement. I hate it when sc2 games play out like this, when there's zero harassment and no splitting of armies, then a 5 second battle to close the 15 minute stalemate.

this exactly, i hate macro games where the players sit around and don't do jack shit 3/4 of the game.. i can do that in my plat league just fine and don't need to watch a progame doing the exact same shit.

this is so ignorant

LOL orly? nice of you to expand upon that. How am i so ignorant? its fucking boring to watch a long ass macro game like that

User was warned for this post
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
April 29 2012 00:31 GMT
#364
On April 29 2012 09:30 TheRhox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:29 hifriend wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:27 BuzZoo wrote:
People saying that was an awful game???
Really???

lol it was really bad.. endless posturing with no engagement. I hate it when sc2 games play out like this, when there's zero harassment and no splitting of armies, then a 5 second battle to close the 15 minute stalemate.


Just because the observers missed it doesn't mean it never happened. There was plenty of harass that game

MC half assedly sending 5 zealots to stephano's fifth and one ling runby? That's not exactly "action packed" for a game that long. The map is a little bit at fault though.
TheRhox
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada868 Posts
April 29 2012 00:32 GMT
#365
On April 29 2012 09:31 the`postman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:30 sc14s wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:29 hifriend wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:27 BuzZoo wrote:
People saying that was an awful game???
Really???

lol it was really bad.. endless posturing with no engagement. I hate it when sc2 games play out like this, when there's zero harassment and no splitting of armies, then a 5 second battle to close the 15 minute stalemate.

this exactly, i hate macro games where the players sit around and don't do jack shit 3/4 of the game.. i can do that in my plat league just fine and don't need to watch a progame doing the exact same shit.

this is so ignorant


Yeah, not even worth arguing with those kind of people I guess
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 29 2012 00:32 GMT
#366
On April 29 2012 09:29 hifriend wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:27 BuzZoo wrote:
People saying that was an awful game???
Really???

lol it was really bad.. endless posturing with no engagement. I hate it when sc2 games play out like this, when there's zero harassment and no splitting of armies, then a 5 second battle to close the 15 minute stalemate.

There was tons of shit
Stephano running lings into MC's main/natural
MC getting off like 10 feedbacks on the infestors, allowing him to kill Stephano's 5th
The constant fighting at the fourth

And don't say positional based games are bad, because it was beautiful. That's where I want SC2 to go.
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
April 29 2012 00:32 GMT
#367
On April 29 2012 09:30 TheRhox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:29 hifriend wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:27 BuzZoo wrote:
People saying that was an awful game???
Really???

lol it was really bad.. endless posturing with no engagement. I hate it when sc2 games play out like this, when there's zero harassment and no splitting of armies, then a 5 second battle to close the 15 minute stalemate.


Just because the observers missed it doesn't mean it never happened. There was plenty of harass that game


4 lings getting into the main for 3 seconds doesn't count as harass
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
April 29 2012 00:32 GMT
#368
On April 29 2012 09:28 niteReloaded wrote:
Did MC play bad or did Stephano make him look bad? I don't watch sc2 regularly enough...

There was some sloppy moves from both sides (the infestors being feedbacked, the vortex on a single broodlord, even if it was positional was a mistake) imo. I would not say they played bad overall tho, just a little sloppily.
TheRhox
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada868 Posts
April 29 2012 00:32 GMT
#369
On April 29 2012 09:31 Supah wrote:
Is it just me, or is stream quality a lot lower than the usual?


You have to purchase an IPL sub for 1080 quality
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
April 29 2012 00:33 GMT
#370
In that late game Toss have to start taxing the multitasking of Zerg. The Stalker contingent at the top was good, but storm drops, immortals/zealots to snipe tech structures, using the mothership to recall units etc are a necessity, otherwise BL Infestor will just roll you.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
April 29 2012 00:33 GMT
#371
On April 29 2012 09:30 obesemk wrote:
Stephano showing he is the better player.


The second that MC wins a game (regardless of how many Stephano's won beforehand), I hope the thread gets flooded with "MC showing he is the better player" just to balance the blatant Stephano fanboyism with actual common sense (see OP's poll).
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
the`postman
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1643 Posts
April 29 2012 00:34 GMT
#372
On April 29 2012 09:31 sc14s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:31 the`postman wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:30 sc14s wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:29 hifriend wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:27 BuzZoo wrote:
People saying that was an awful game???
Really???

lol it was really bad.. endless posturing with no engagement. I hate it when sc2 games play out like this, when there's zero harassment and no splitting of armies, then a 5 second battle to close the 15 minute stalemate.

this exactly, i hate macro games where the players sit around and don't do jack shit 3/4 of the game.. i can do that in my plat league just fine and don't need to watch a progame doing the exact same shit.

this is so ignorant

LOL orly? nice of you to expand upon that. How am i so ignorant? its fucking boring to watch a long ass macro game like that

You compared your plat league games to what we just watched, you clearly have no understanding of SC2.
Supah
Profile Joined August 2010
708 Posts
April 29 2012 00:34 GMT
#373
On April 29 2012 09:32 TheRhox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:31 Supah wrote:
Is it just me, or is stream quality a lot lower than the usual?


You have to purchase an IPL sub for 1080 quality


Erm. I have a sub and the max is only 720p+. Am I missing something?
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
April 29 2012 00:34 GMT
#374
On April 29 2012 09:33 MCDayC wrote:
In that late game Toss have to start taxing the multitasking of Zerg. The Stalker contingent at the top was good, but storm drops, immortals/zealots to snipe tech structures, using the mothership to recall units etc are a necessity, otherwise BL Infestor will just roll you.

this is what i meant why i didn't like this game as much. Multitasking is the way of the future for sc2 which honestly did not happen as much as it should have in the first game in such a late game situation.
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 00:37:29
April 29 2012 00:35 GMT
#375
On April 29 2012 09:32 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:29 hifriend wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:27 BuzZoo wrote:
People saying that was an awful game???
Really???

lol it was really bad.. endless posturing with no engagement. I hate it when sc2 games play out like this, when there's zero harassment and no splitting of armies, then a 5 second battle to close the 15 minute stalemate.

There was tons of shit
Stephano running lings into MC's main/natural
MC getting off like 10 feedbacks on the infestors, allowing him to kill Stephano's 5th
The constant fighting at the fourth

And don't say positional based games are bad, because it was beautiful. That's where I want SC2 to go.

I don't mind it when position is a big component of the game. I've seen some TvT lately that were very similar to BW TvT. It's amazing to watch because there's a lot of little battles and multitasking going on at the same time. In PvZ late game it's almost as if there's no incentive to harass beyond a zealot warp in or sometimes the single warp prism in the late game. Either that or the players don't have enough imagination. In brood war you don't have to keep your armies clumped up in the same way as sc2 PvZ.

I guess I just find it very frustrating to watch when a game starts slowing down rather than becoming more intense the longer it goes by.
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
April 29 2012 00:36 GMT
#376
On April 29 2012 09:34 the`postman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:31 sc14s wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:31 the`postman wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:30 sc14s wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:29 hifriend wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:27 BuzZoo wrote:
People saying that was an awful game???
Really???

lol it was really bad.. endless posturing with no engagement. I hate it when sc2 games play out like this, when there's zero harassment and no splitting of armies, then a 5 second battle to close the 15 minute stalemate.

this exactly, i hate macro games where the players sit around and don't do jack shit 3/4 of the game.. i can do that in my plat league just fine and don't need to watch a progame doing the exact same shit.

this is so ignorant

LOL orly? nice of you to expand upon that. How am i so ignorant? its fucking boring to watch a long ass macro game like that

You compared your plat league games to what we just watched, you clearly have no understanding of SC2.

orly? how would you know what my sc2 understanding is? you dont.
Not to mention apparently hyperbole is past your grasp of understanding..
Amornthep
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore2605 Posts
April 29 2012 00:36 GMT
#377
MC's got this easily now.
Cassel_Castle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States820 Posts
April 29 2012 00:36 GMT
#378
On April 29 2012 09:34 the`postman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:31 sc14s wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:31 the`postman wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:30 sc14s wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:29 hifriend wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:27 BuzZoo wrote:
People saying that was an awful game???
Really???

lol it was really bad.. endless posturing with no engagement. I hate it when sc2 games play out like this, when there's zero harassment and no splitting of armies, then a 5 second battle to close the 15 minute stalemate.

this exactly, i hate macro games where the players sit around and don't do jack shit 3/4 of the game.. i can do that in my plat league just fine and don't need to watch a progame doing the exact same shit.

this is so ignorant

LOL orly? nice of you to expand upon that. How am i so ignorant? its fucking boring to watch a long ass macro game like that

You compared your plat league games to what we just watched, you clearly have no understanding of SC2.


It was a pretty sloppy game with terrible vortexes, the zealot not on hold-position allowing a run-by, and the infestors all sitting at the watchtower getting feedbacked. The harass was mostly moving a few stalkers or lings into bases, not much multitasking/micro. Both players have played much better.
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
April 29 2012 00:36 GMT
#379
Why would Stephano cancel all those spores
Sovano
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1503 Posts
April 29 2012 00:37 GMT
#380
I have never seen a PvZ like this. So many void rays that are actually doing so well.
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 00:37:39
April 29 2012 00:37 GMT
#381
61 workers killed? rofl
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
April 29 2012 00:37 GMT
#382
Void Rays, Void Rays, gotta mass up my Void Rays....


This looks like a ladder game I had in Bronze once. lol. I like the Void Ray play though.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
April 29 2012 00:37 GMT
#383
Cheesy as fuck but damn that was badass.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
April 29 2012 00:37 GMT
#384
Live report please. I'm at a weding and I want to know how the games are going haha
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
April 29 2012 00:38 GMT
#385
What utter trash observing. IPL needs to turn on healthbars because whoever is observing is godawful and needs to learn how to bserve.

Having a mass voidray build and having NO IDEA how much health they have is ridiculously dumb.
Atrocious game. The commentators are bad enough anyway, but when you can't tell what the hell is going on because you are at the mercy of the crappy observer, it makes the whole experience pointless and not worth watching at all.
HOLY CHECK!
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 00:38:47
April 29 2012 00:38 GMT
#386
Wow such beautiful play by MC. I really hate the 12 min max roach play, so am glad mc isn't letting him just drone forever like he likes as stephano is pretty greedy usually, only making units at the last minute.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
April 29 2012 00:38 GMT
#387
Holy massacre
Cassel_Castle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States820 Posts
April 29 2012 00:39 GMT
#388
On April 29 2012 09:37 Kznn wrote:
Live report please. I'm at a weding and I want to know how the games are going haha


Stephano made Hydras against VR/Zealot and lost everything in the next engagement.
Omegalisk
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States337 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 00:40:17
April 29 2012 00:39 GMT
#389
Ugh... Hydras really killed that.

Edit: No, Stephano! Not more Hydras!
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
April 29 2012 00:39 GMT
#390
On April 29 2012 09:39 Cassel_Castle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:37 Kznn wrote:
Live report please. I'm at a weding and I want to know how the games are going haha


Stephano made Hydras against VR/Zealot and lost everything in the next engagement.

missing the fact that MC harassed a shitload
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
April 29 2012 00:39 GMT
#391
well that didnt work for MC, lol
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
April 29 2012 00:39 GMT
#392
MC realized he cant beat stephano on macro game and back his gimmicky play.
Zheryn
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3653 Posts
April 29 2012 00:39 GMT
#393
On April 29 2012 09:29 hifriend wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:27 BuzZoo wrote:
People saying that was an awful game???
Really???

lol it was really bad.. endless posturing with no engagement. I hate it when sc2 games play out like this, when there's zero harassment and no splitting of armies, then a 5 second battle to close the 15 minute stalemate.


It probably wasn't the most "entertaining" game for people with low understanding of the game. However, I thougt the game was freaking awesome by mostly watching the production tab. So high level play and awesome game for learning.
hundred thousand krouner
DOUDOU
Profile Joined October 2011
Wales2940 Posts
April 29 2012 00:40 GMT
#394
stephano just doesn't die
Feast | Grubby | Mvp | Polt | Fantasy | Last | MMA | forGG | Leenock | Soberphano | Scarlett cutiepie
Sovano
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1503 Posts
April 29 2012 00:40 GMT
#395
MC kinda botched those two warp prism/FF combo attacks.
TheRhox
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada868 Posts
April 29 2012 00:40 GMT
#396
On April 29 2012 09:39 dragonborn wrote:
MC realized he cant beat stephano on macro game and back his gimmicky play.


The kind of play that MC is showing right now requires more skill than any other 'macro' builds he can do in this situation
Amornthep
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore2605 Posts
April 29 2012 00:40 GMT
#397
MCfields.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
April 29 2012 00:40 GMT
#398
oh, well i guess it did XD
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
JitnikoVi
Profile Joined May 2010
Russian Federation396 Posts
April 29 2012 00:41 GMT
#399
INSANE first two games, wow this is amazing
In theory yes, but theoretically, no.
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
April 29 2012 00:41 GMT
#400
That's the kind of game I expected from MC. A heavy 2 base attack with a late third. Timing attacks are why I watch MC.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
Sovano
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1503 Posts
April 29 2012 00:41 GMT
#401
Those were some beautiful force fields at the end. Why can't I do that? T_T
Funkydonky
Profile Joined April 2011
950 Posts
April 29 2012 00:41 GMT
#402
On April 29 2012 09:39 dragonborn wrote:
MC realized he cant beat stephano on macro game and back his gimmicky play.

Mc built his career on that, can't really blame him for it.
Favorite players: Stephano, Mana, Polt, Lucifron, Nerchio
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
April 29 2012 00:41 GMT
#403
On April 29 2012 09:39 Zheryn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:29 hifriend wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:27 BuzZoo wrote:
People saying that was an awful game???
Really???

lol it was really bad.. endless posturing with no engagement. I hate it when sc2 games play out like this, when there's zero harassment and no splitting of armies, then a 5 second battle to close the 15 minute stalemate.


It probably wasn't the most "entertaining" game for people with low understanding of the game. However, I thougt the game was freaking awesome by mostly watching the production tab. So high level play and awesome game for learning.

Yes I probably just couldn't comprehend what was happening.
JitnikoVi
Profile Joined May 2010
Russian Federation396 Posts
April 29 2012 00:41 GMT
#404
On April 29 2012 09:40 TheRhox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:39 dragonborn wrote:
MC realized he cant beat stephano on macro game and back his gimmicky play.


The kind of play that MC is showing right now requires more skill than any other 'macro' builds he can do in this situation


Quoted for the truth
In theory yes, but theoretically, no.
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 00:42:18
April 29 2012 00:41 GMT
#405
On April 29 2012 09:40 TheRhox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:39 dragonborn wrote:
MC realized he cant beat stephano on macro game and back his gimmicky play.


The kind of play that MC is showing right now requires more skill than any other 'macro' builds he can do in this situation

MC is the king of timing attacks, ofc he would do them, its not gimmicky, its smart vs someone who has strong macro play like stephano idk why you would critique that.

edit:Talking about the quote of the quote.
TheRhox
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada868 Posts
April 29 2012 00:41 GMT
#406
On April 29 2012 09:41 JitnikoVi wrote:
INSANE first two games, wow this is amazing


Yeah, this series is really living up to the hype. These games so far are absolutely fantastic! :D
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
April 29 2012 00:42 GMT
#407
On April 29 2012 09:41 JitnikoVi wrote:
INSANE first two games, wow this is amazing


amazing games, amazing micro, so much multi tasking and innovation going on from both
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
April 29 2012 00:42 GMT
#408
Forcefield on ramp is pretty fun... Fucking annoying >_<
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
April 29 2012 00:42 GMT
#409
On April 29 2012 09:41 Funkydonky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:39 dragonborn wrote:
MC realized he cant beat stephano on macro game and back his gimmicky play.

Mc built his career on that, can't really blame him for it.

agreed
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
April 29 2012 00:42 GMT
#410
On April 29 2012 09:39 dragonborn wrote:
MC realized he cant beat stephano on macro game and back his gimmicky play.


I saw MC outsmart and outplay Stephano. Just because Zerg increases supply faster than Protoss doesn't mean that when a Zerg loses to a Protoss, the Protoss didn't deserve it or didn't macro well.

A win's a win
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
zestzorb
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand776 Posts
April 29 2012 00:42 GMT
#411
Almost 12000 viewers. That's probably the largest audience for IPL fight club.
Suichoy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada397 Posts
April 29 2012 00:42 GMT
#412
On April 29 2012 09:39 Zheryn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:29 hifriend wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:27 BuzZoo wrote:
People saying that was an awful game???
Really???

lol it was really bad.. endless posturing with no engagement. I hate it when sc2 games play out like this, when there's zero harassment and no splitting of armies, then a 5 second battle to close the 15 minute stalemate.


It probably wasn't the most "entertaining" game for people with low understanding of the game. However, I thougt the game was freaking awesome by mostly watching the production tab. So high level play and awesome game for learning.

You thought it was awesome by watching the production tab? Sure don't ask for much.
Lennient
Profile Joined January 2012
497 Posts
April 29 2012 00:42 GMT
#413
On April 29 2012 09:39 dragonborn wrote:
MC realized he cant beat stephano on macro game and back his gimmicky play.

to be fair, if Protoss just sits there and macro up to 200/200, he is not even diamond.
JitnikoVi
Profile Joined May 2010
Russian Federation396 Posts
April 29 2012 00:42 GMT
#414
On April 29 2012 09:41 hifriend wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:39 Zheryn wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:29 hifriend wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:27 BuzZoo wrote:
People saying that was an awful game???
Really???

lol it was really bad.. endless posturing with no engagement. I hate it when sc2 games play out like this, when there's zero harassment and no splitting of armies, then a 5 second battle to close the 15 minute stalemate.


It probably wasn't the most "entertaining" game for people with low understanding of the game. However, I thougt the game was freaking awesome by mostly watching the production tab. So high level play and awesome game for learning.

Yes I probably just couldn't comprehend what was happening.


if you thought that game was anything below stellar you must have a miniscule knowledge of starcraft...
In theory yes, but theoretically, no.
the`postman
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1643 Posts
April 29 2012 00:43 GMT
#415
On April 29 2012 09:39 Zheryn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:29 hifriend wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:27 BuzZoo wrote:
People saying that was an awful game???
Really???

lol it was really bad.. endless posturing with no engagement. I hate it when sc2 games play out like this, when there's zero harassment and no splitting of armies, then a 5 second battle to close the 15 minute stalemate.


It probably wasn't the most "entertaining" game for people with low understanding of the game. However, I thougt the game was freaking awesome by mostly watching the production tab. So high level play and awesome game for learning.

Agreed, really well refined builds, Stephano holding the +1 pressure, MC with the very fast third base behind it, quick tech transitions, good decision making. There was a lot to learn from in that game
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
April 29 2012 00:43 GMT
#416
On April 29 2012 09:39 Omegalisk wrote:
Ugh... Hydras really killed that.

Edit: No, Stephano! Not more Hydras!


If he didn't make hydras, he would've died even earlier
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
jnsjr
Profile Joined February 2011
United States461 Posts
April 29 2012 00:43 GMT
#417
Roach hydra corrupter vs. Colossus zealot stalker. Stephano needs to ask Idra how that works out for zergs. T_T

Really interesting play by MC to force that composition. You could sense how hesitant Stephano was to go down that tech path. That is probably what forced his hand to attack so early, and that attack was easily beaten before the 1st colossus even came out. Great game
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Morrisson
Profile Joined May 2011
289 Posts
April 29 2012 00:43 GMT
#418
Stephano lost it on the VR, the rest is detail, he was wayy too far behind
Supah
Profile Joined August 2010
708 Posts
April 29 2012 00:43 GMT
#419
On April 29 2012 09:41 Funkydonky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:39 dragonborn wrote:
MC realized he cant beat stephano on macro game and back his gimmicky play.

Mc built his career on that, can't really blame him for it.


I see the major complaints from Zergs/Zerg fans being: Toss can only all in and don't want to macro. And then, if a Toss does go macro (which necessitates a Mothership) the tears are "blah Toss can only win with Vortex."
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
April 29 2012 00:43 GMT
#420
When you make Hydras in ZvP, it's usually already over. Also, when you lose one of your 3 hatch before the 10th minute mark.
HGurryp
Profile Joined July 2011
275 Posts
April 29 2012 00:43 GMT
#421
On April 29 2012 09:39 dragonborn wrote:
MC realized he cant beat stephano on macro game and back his gimmicky play.


First, that build is an agressive build, not all in.

Second, he did a third.

Third, he attacked because he knew he can kill him with the collossus, why play macro if you can kill your opponent now?
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 00:44:16
April 29 2012 00:43 GMT
#422
MC is smart. He knows that zerg is unbeatable with the 12 min roach push unless you harass early to stop it from happening. It's something foreign toss don't understand so stephano wins 80% of his zvp against foreigners with mass roach.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
April 29 2012 00:44 GMT
#423
On April 29 2012 09:42 Lennient wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:39 dragonborn wrote:
MC realized he cant beat stephano on macro game and back his gimmicky play.

to be fair, if Protoss just sits there and macro up to 200/200, he is not even diamond.


And it means that the Zerg is doing something ridiculously wrong.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
April 29 2012 00:44 GMT
#424
On April 29 2012 09:42 JitnikoVi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:41 hifriend wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:39 Zheryn wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:29 hifriend wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:27 BuzZoo wrote:
People saying that was an awful game???
Really???

lol it was really bad.. endless posturing with no engagement. I hate it when sc2 games play out like this, when there's zero harassment and no splitting of armies, then a 5 second battle to close the 15 minute stalemate.


It probably wasn't the most "entertaining" game for people with low understanding of the game. However, I thougt the game was freaking awesome by mostly watching the production tab. So high level play and awesome game for learning.

Yes I probably just couldn't comprehend what was happening.


if you thought that game was anything below stellar you must have a miniscule knowledge of starcraft...

lol

User was warned for this post
Instigata
Profile Joined April 2004
United States546 Posts
April 29 2012 00:44 GMT
#425
On April 29 2012 09:39 dragonborn wrote:
MC realized he cant beat stephano on macro game and back his gimmicky play.


Zerg users think SC2 is Farmville and just want to build workers and bases. Anything other than workers and bases is cheese/all-in so you must let Zerg users build how many workers they want before they switch to unit production. It's hard to sit back and build drones and not apply pressure until you have how many workers you want though lol.
SC2 was doomed from the start.
chosenkerrigan
Profile Joined May 2011
858 Posts
April 29 2012 00:45 GMT
#426
On April 29 2012 09:44 Instigata wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:39 dragonborn wrote:
MC realized he cant beat stephano on macro game and back his gimmicky play.


Zerg users think SC2 is Farmville and just want to build workers and bases. Anything other than workers and bases is cheese/all-in so you must let Zerg users build how many workers they want before they switch to unit production. It's hard to sit back and build drones and not apply pressure until you have how many workers you want though lol.


Don't argue with him. He's the most pathetic stephano fanboy on the forum.
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
April 29 2012 00:45 GMT
#427
MC going for a gateway expand build, and i'm pretty sure Stephano won't scout, as usual.
MilesTeg
Profile Joined September 2010
France1271 Posts
April 29 2012 00:45 GMT
#428
GG Stephano always loses to Gateway first.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
April 29 2012 00:45 GMT
#429
I'm feeling a 3 gate stalker pressure from MC
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MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
April 29 2012 00:45 GMT
#430
On April 29 2012 09:43 jnsjr wrote:
Roach hydra corrupter vs. Colossus zealot stalker. Stephano needs to ask Idra how that works out for zergs. T_T

Really interesting play by MC to force that composition. You could sense how hesitant Stephano was to go down that tech path. That is probably what forced his hand to attack so early, and that attack was easily beaten before the 1st colossus even came out. Great game

I think Stephano wanted to go mutas, which was perfect, but when MC dropped the main he saw the spire and decided to push it. The corruptors were more panic corruptors than planned corruptors imo =)
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
April 29 2012 00:45 GMT
#431
On April 29 2012 09:44 Instigata wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:39 dragonborn wrote:
MC realized he cant beat stephano on macro game and back his gimmicky play.


Zerg users think SC2 is Farmville and just want to build workers and bases. Anything other than workers and bases is cheese/all-in so you must let Zerg users build how many workers they want before they switch to unit production. It's hard to sit back and build drones and not apply pressure until you have how many workers you want though lol.


Yeah I hate when zerg users complain about that. The 12 min roach push doesn't take much skill and anyone can do it against someone who doesn't harass them.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
Mioraka
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada1353 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 00:46:18
April 29 2012 00:46 GMT
#432
On April 29 2012 09:43 HGurryp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:39 dragonborn wrote:
MC realized he cant beat stephano on macro game and back his gimmicky play.


First, that build is an agressive build, not all in.

Second, he did a third.

Third, he attacked because he knew he can kill him with the collossus, why play macro if you can kill your opponent now?


I'm a zerg and a stephano fan, but that was definitely not an all in.

Besides, for a best of 9, there is ZERO reason to not bring any cheese.
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
April 29 2012 00:46 GMT
#433
On April 29 2012 09:43 Canucklehead wrote:
MC is smart. He knows that zerg is unbeatable with the 12 min roach push unless you harass early to stop it from happening. It's something foreign toss don't understand so stephano wins 80% of his zvp against foreigners with mass roach.


Yeah, I really like how MC metagames with 17 nexus knowing that stephano is famous for the 12 min roach max and then applies gateway pressure around 7-8min. As a zerg this really makes the roach max hard.
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
TheRhox
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada868 Posts
April 29 2012 00:46 GMT
#434
On April 29 2012 09:44 Instigata wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:39 dragonborn wrote:
MC realized he cant beat stephano on macro game and back his gimmicky play.


Zerg users think SC2 is Farmville and just want to build workers and bases. Anything other than workers and bases is cheese/all-in so you must let Zerg users build how many workers they want before they switch to unit production. It's hard to sit back and build drones and not apply pressure until you have how many workers you want though lol.


I'm a zerg player and I loved that last game, please don't make such ridiculous generalizations about people.
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
April 29 2012 00:46 GMT
#435
On April 29 2012 09:44 Instigata wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:39 dragonborn wrote:
MC realized he cant beat stephano on macro game and back his gimmicky play.


Zerg users think SC2 is Farmville and just want to build workers and bases. Anything other than workers and bases is cheese/all-in so you must let Zerg users build how many workers they want before they switch to unit production. It's hard to sit back and build drones and not apply pressure until you have how many workers you want though lol.



LOL. This kind of true actually.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
April 29 2012 00:46 GMT
#436
On April 29 2012 09:42 JitnikoVi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:41 hifriend wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:39 Zheryn wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:29 hifriend wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:27 BuzZoo wrote:
People saying that was an awful game???
Really???

lol it was really bad.. endless posturing with no engagement. I hate it when sc2 games play out like this, when there's zero harassment and no splitting of armies, then a 5 second battle to close the 15 minute stalemate.


It probably wasn't the most "entertaining" game for people with low understanding of the game. However, I thougt the game was freaking awesome by mostly watching the production tab. So high level play and awesome game for learning.

Yes I probably just couldn't comprehend what was happening.


if you thought that game was anything below stellar you must have a miniscule knowledge of starcraft...

*sigh* i guess the since BW is dieing sc2 fans can turn on their elitist switch apparently.. you also have no clue what the other players understanding of the game.

Personally it was an avg GM level PvT late game i was watching that i can watch on the live stream tab... I am not saying the game was awful but it certainly wasn't mindblowingly amazing as all these people keep claiming.
Cassel_Castle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States820 Posts
April 29 2012 00:46 GMT
#437
The commentary seems off at times. Even Naniwa doesn't FFE on Antiga Shipyard, what MC's doing isn't a huge surprise.
Amornthep
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore2605 Posts
April 29 2012 00:47 GMT
#438
Interested to see how MC plays this out.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
April 29 2012 00:47 GMT
#439
On April 29 2012 09:43 Canucklehead wrote:
MC is smart. He knows that zerg is unbeatable with the 12 min roach push unless you harass early to stop it from happening. It's something foreign toss don't understand so stephano wins 80% of his zvp against foreigners with mass roach.

so true
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11047 Posts
April 29 2012 00:47 GMT
#440
I love you guys
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 00:48:15
April 29 2012 00:47 GMT
#441
Stephano now knows that he faces a gateway expand (with the scouting overlord...at the 4:30 mark), he now takes immediately his gas.
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
April 29 2012 00:47 GMT
#442
On April 29 2012 09:45 chosenkerrigan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:44 Instigata wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:39 dragonborn wrote:
MC realized he cant beat stephano on macro game and back his gimmicky play.


Zerg users think SC2 is Farmville and just want to build workers and bases. Anything other than workers and bases is cheese/all-in so you must let Zerg users build how many workers they want before they switch to unit production. It's hard to sit back and build drones and not apply pressure until you have how many workers you want though lol.


Don't argue with him. He's the most pathetic stephano fanboy on the forum.

sorry, im not pathetic as you.

User was temp banned for this post.
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
April 29 2012 00:47 GMT
#443
On April 29 2012 09:45 chosenkerrigan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:44 Instigata wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:39 dragonborn wrote:
MC realized he cant beat stephano on macro game and back his gimmicky play.


Zerg users think SC2 is Farmville and just want to build workers and bases. Anything other than workers and bases is cheese/all-in so you must let Zerg users build how many workers they want before they switch to unit production. It's hard to sit back and build drones and not apply pressure until you have how many workers you want though lol.


Don't argue with him. He's the most pathetic stephano fanboy on the forum.

he also diligently hates alive.. i have no idea why.
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
April 29 2012 00:47 GMT
#444
isnt this the build mc beat nestea with?
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
Amornthep
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore2605 Posts
April 29 2012 00:48 GMT
#445
Stephano with no speed, this might just kill him.
Supah
Profile Joined August 2010
708 Posts
April 29 2012 00:48 GMT
#446
Looks like that Stalker build he used to punish DRG.
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
April 29 2012 00:49 GMT
#447
This looks EXACTLY like what he did to Nestea in the Ro16.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
April 29 2012 00:49 GMT
#448
MC going to win this easily.
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
April 29 2012 00:49 GMT
#449
stephano is fine once speed is out
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
April 29 2012 00:49 GMT
#450
On April 29 2012 09:47 sc14s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:45 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:44 Instigata wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:39 dragonborn wrote:
MC realized he cant beat stephano on macro game and back his gimmicky play.


Zerg users think SC2 is Farmville and just want to build workers and bases. Anything other than workers and bases is cheese/all-in so you must let Zerg users build how many workers they want before they switch to unit production. It's hard to sit back and build drones and not apply pressure until you have how many workers you want though lol.


Don't argue with him. He's the most pathetic stephano fanboy on the forum.

he also diligently hates alive.. i have no idea why.

lol i forgot it was the same guy, it's because MKP lost to him in IPL4.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
the`postman
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1643 Posts
April 29 2012 00:49 GMT
#451
On April 29 2012 09:46 sc14s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:42 JitnikoVi wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:41 hifriend wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:39 Zheryn wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:29 hifriend wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:27 BuzZoo wrote:
People saying that was an awful game???
Really???

lol it was really bad.. endless posturing with no engagement. I hate it when sc2 games play out like this, when there's zero harassment and no splitting of armies, then a 5 second battle to close the 15 minute stalemate.


It probably wasn't the most "entertaining" game for people with low understanding of the game. However, I thougt the game was freaking awesome by mostly watching the production tab. So high level play and awesome game for learning.

Yes I probably just couldn't comprehend what was happening.


if you thought that game was anything below stellar you must have a miniscule knowledge of starcraft...

*sigh* i guess the since BW is dieing sc2 fans can turn on their elitist switch apparently.. you also have no clue what the other players understanding of the game.

Personally it was an avg GM level PvT late game i was watching that i can watch on the live stream tab... I am not saying the game was awful but it certainly wasn't mindblowingly amazing as all these people keep claiming.

And this is how people know you have a low understanding of the game, you don't notice the small things that separate GM players from the top professionals.
HGurryp
Profile Joined July 2011
275 Posts
April 29 2012 00:50 GMT
#452
Stephano saw the proxy pylon and made drones, really...
JitnikoVi
Profile Joined May 2010
Russian Federation396 Posts
April 29 2012 00:50 GMT
#453
beautiful tactics from mc, wow
In theory yes, but theoretically, no.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
April 29 2012 00:50 GMT
#454
MC WOW!!!

Not even a 4gate all-in!

Fuck yeah. That pressure.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Veclada
Profile Joined September 2010
742 Posts
April 29 2012 00:50 GMT
#455
On April 29 2012 09:49 sc14s wrote:
stephano is fine once speed is out

Yeah right
asdfg
Heinsenzerg
Profile Joined September 2011
Argentina2279 Posts
April 29 2012 00:50 GMT
#456
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
April 29 2012 00:50 GMT
#457
Yep, Stephano loses once again a game because of greedy lack of scouting -_-
A-p-p-l-e-s
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada314 Posts
April 29 2012 00:50 GMT
#458
is this live?
Youtakenocandle
Profile Joined February 2012
543 Posts
April 29 2012 00:50 GMT
#459
Bad time to drone yo.
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 00:51:10
April 29 2012 00:50 GMT
#460
Wow, that was a sick build. Also sick micro. Looked like slowmo marauder vs zealot.
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
April 29 2012 00:50 GMT
#461
--- Nuked ---
Ausfailia
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia123 Posts
April 29 2012 00:50 GMT
#462
Stephano showing how good his game sense is by making drones at just the right time...
Zheryn
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3653 Posts
April 29 2012 00:50 GMT
#463
For the people thinking game 1 was boring, now THIS was a boring game...
hundred thousand krouner
VyingsP
Profile Joined December 2011
France174 Posts
April 29 2012 00:50 GMT
#464
3 gate pressure ? rly stephano ? :'(
Corrections of my bad english are much welcome
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
April 29 2012 00:50 GMT
#465
this is such a good build :O
can i get my estro logo back pls
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
April 29 2012 00:51 GMT
#466
If Bisu doesn't switch over to SC2/ play Protoss, we can still count on MC to innovate for us Protoss players ♥
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
RUS RO DAH!!!
Profile Joined February 2012
United States277 Posts
April 29 2012 00:51 GMT
#467
Foreigner loses, thread slows down.
ibo422
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium2844 Posts
April 29 2012 00:51 GMT
#468
MC micro's like a baws :D
Daray
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
6006 Posts
April 29 2012 00:51 GMT
#469
On April 29 2012 09:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
MC WOW!!!

Not even a 4gate all-in!

Fuck yeah. That pressure.


It wasn't 4gate but it was an all-in.
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
April 29 2012 00:51 GMT
#470
On April 29 2012 09:50 Ausfailia wrote:
Stephano showing how good his game sense is by making drones at just the right time...

His sense is usually very good. I guess he thought this was not such a big pressure.
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
April 29 2012 00:51 GMT
#471
On April 29 2012 09:50 VyingsP wrote:
3 gate pressure ? rly stephano ? :'(



I wouldn't hold it against him. He killed the creator of the universe doing the same thing.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
theBALLS
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Singapore2935 Posts
April 29 2012 00:51 GMT
#472
Haha. Stephano's arrogance lost him the game. No scout + droning in the face of a possible 4gate.
If you lose the stick, you'll always have theBALLS.
Supah
Profile Joined August 2010
708 Posts
April 29 2012 00:51 GMT
#473
This build really punishes lack of Drone scout. OL scouting lack of FFE so late makes Speed some way too slowly.
ItchyLegs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada369 Posts
April 29 2012 00:51 GMT
#474
yeah that round of drones was a bad idea :\
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
April 29 2012 00:52 GMT
#475
Ok I wasn't going to post in this but that game was just too hilarious not to. Stephano had no clue at all as to what to do there, how odd.

To be fair Nestea died to the same thing recently I believe but still, Stephano tried to be way too greedy and never stood a chance. Slow lings are not good units. =P
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
April 29 2012 00:52 GMT
#476
On April 29 2012 09:51 Daray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
MC WOW!!!

Not even a 4gate all-in!

Fuck yeah. That pressure.


It wasn't 4gate but it was an all-in.


Did anyone realise that MC completely walled off? That was a kill move, he was not planning to expand at all.
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
April 29 2012 00:52 GMT
#477
On April 29 2012 09:49 the`postman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:46 sc14s wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:42 JitnikoVi wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:41 hifriend wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:39 Zheryn wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:29 hifriend wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:27 BuzZoo wrote:
People saying that was an awful game???
Really???

lol it was really bad.. endless posturing with no engagement. I hate it when sc2 games play out like this, when there's zero harassment and no splitting of armies, then a 5 second battle to close the 15 minute stalemate.


It probably wasn't the most "entertaining" game for people with low understanding of the game. However, I thougt the game was freaking awesome by mostly watching the production tab. So high level play and awesome game for learning.

Yes I probably just couldn't comprehend what was happening.


if you thought that game was anything below stellar you must have a miniscule knowledge of starcraft...

*sigh* i guess the since BW is dieing sc2 fans can turn on their elitist switch apparently.. you also have no clue what the other players understanding of the game.

Personally it was an avg GM level PvT late game i was watching that i can watch on the live stream tab... I am not saying the game was awful but it certainly wasn't mindblowingly amazing as all these people keep claiming.

And this is how people know you have a low understanding of the game, you don't notice the small things that separate GM players from the top professionals.

My point was that it wasn't the highest level play i've seen.. idk honestly that first game was really fucking sloppy was my point because i do understand the small things that seperate gm from top pros.. want an example? losing 13 fucking infestors is not high lvl play, sorry to burst your bubble.
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
April 29 2012 00:52 GMT
#478
On April 29 2012 09:50 Lasbike wrote:
Yep, Stephano loses once again a game because of greedy lack of scouting -_-


Stephano is very greedy and doesn't always scout as shown in some games against polt. MC is punishing his greed.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
April 29 2012 00:52 GMT
#479
seems that build is becoming quite popular on antiga ;o
@QxGDarkCell ._.
Mioraka
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada1353 Posts
April 29 2012 00:52 GMT
#480
On April 29 2012 09:50 Lasbike wrote:
Yep, Stephano loses once again a game because of greedy lack of scouting -_-


That was more of a special timing than Stephano not scouting. There was no way that he's going to get into MC's base to see what's coming.

In fact, he misread the situation, thought it was only a light pressure build, and built 7 drones when MC is pushing.
Parlortricks
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States111 Posts
April 29 2012 00:52 GMT
#481
On April 29 2012 09:51 Daray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
MC WOW!!!

Not even a 4gate all-in!

Fuck yeah. That pressure.


It wasn't 4gate but it was an all-in.

I wouldn't transition out either if I was pulling that far ahead.
Morrisson
Profile Joined May 2011
289 Posts
April 29 2012 00:52 GMT
#482
arrogance? ogh god ppl are stupid. It was just a mistake, not arrogance. -.-
Kodak
Profile Joined March 2011
United States157 Posts
April 29 2012 00:53 GMT
#483
On April 29 2012 09:49 the`postman wrote:

And this is how people know you have a low understanding of the game, you don't notice the small things that separate GM players from the top professionals.


What are you on about? Just because somebody didn't find a game to be mindblowing doesn't mean they have no understanding of the game. The first game wasn't bad, but just because it's long and drawn out doesn't automatically make it a stellar match.

Yes, they're playing at a high level, but watching players posture for 20 minutes with negligible harassment isn't exactly exciting as a viewer.
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Supah
Profile Joined August 2010
708 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 00:54:35
April 29 2012 00:53 GMT
#484
On April 29 2012 09:51 Daray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
MC WOW!!!

Not even a 4gate all-in!

Fuck yeah. That pressure.


It wasn't 4gate but it was an all-in.


Not necessarily. The Stalkers are good since if the battles start going poorly, you can really book it before Speed pops. It's a strong pressure, and you're not committed as a Sentry/Zealot attack or even a 2 gas variation.
Monoamine
Profile Joined April 2011
United States153 Posts
April 29 2012 00:53 GMT
#485
On April 29 2012 09:47 KimJongChill wrote:
isnt this the build mc beat nestea with?

Yeah, he used it vs NesTea in Code S round of 32 on Dual Sight.
Heinsenzerg
Profile Joined September 2011
Argentina2279 Posts
April 29 2012 00:53 GMT
#486
how can anyone hate on stephano....
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
April 29 2012 00:53 GMT
#487
lol biggest forced segue into pitch ever!!
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FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4492 Posts
April 29 2012 00:53 GMT
#488
For those that were thinking it was pressure. No that was all in.
It's a 3 gate because he's makeing almost unanimously stalkers, this is because he saw late/no gas.
This build is all in because the protoss cannot afford 4 gates if he's producing stalkers non - stop. 3 Gates takes care of that.
hi. big fan.
whiterabbit
Profile Joined June 2009
2675 Posts
April 29 2012 00:53 GMT
#489
After first game I was a bit afraid, but this is coming to right place as it should be. Phew!
NUTELLA y u no make me skinny?!?
ibo422
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium2844 Posts
April 29 2012 00:53 GMT
#490
Nowadays, zergs really rely on those FFE's to go quick 3rd to stream shitloads of roaches to win without any micro. Do something different and it gets really amusing.
Lennient
Profile Joined January 2012
497 Posts
April 29 2012 00:54 GMT
#491
hope Stephano makes a few builds to prepare for a bo9 like this, His build is solid, but you can't win all the time with just one build.
JitnikoVi
Profile Joined May 2010
Russian Federation396 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 00:58:17
April 29 2012 00:54 GMT
#492
On April 29 2012 09:46 sc14s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:42 JitnikoVi wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:41 hifriend wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:39 Zheryn wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:29 hifriend wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:27 BuzZoo wrote:
People saying that was an awful game???
Really???

lol it was really bad.. endless posturing with no engagement. I hate it when sc2 games play out like this, when there's zero harassment and no splitting of armies, then a 5 second battle to close the 15 minute stalemate.


It probably wasn't the most "entertaining" game for people with low understanding of the game. However, I thougt the game was freaking awesome by mostly watching the production tab. So high level play and awesome game for learning.

Yes I probably just couldn't comprehend what was happening.


if you thought that game was anything below stellar you must have a miniscule knowledge of starcraft...

*sigh* i guess the since BW is dieing sc2 fans can turn on their elitist switch apparently.. you also have no clue what the other players understanding of the game.

Personally it was an avg GM level PvT late game i was watching that i can watch on the live stream tab... I am not saying the game was awful but it certainly wasn't mindblowingly amazing as all these people keep claiming.


edit:comment removed
In theory yes, but theoretically, no.
jianming
Profile Joined November 2011
149 Posts
April 29 2012 00:54 GMT
#493
On April 29 2012 09:53 Heinsenzerg wrote:
how can anyone hate on stephano....


People hate Stephano fanboys, not Stephano himself.
zestzorb
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand776 Posts
April 29 2012 00:54 GMT
#494
On April 29 2012 09:53 Heinsenzerg wrote:
how can anyone hate on stephano....


probably due to some of his fanboys
TheRhox
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada868 Posts
April 29 2012 00:54 GMT
#495
On April 29 2012 09:52 Morrisson wrote:
arrogance? ogh god ppl are stupid. It was just a mistake, not arrogance. -.-


haha I know, these live report threads man.. sometimes they really make my brain hurt. I must be a masochist for reading this stuff
Jisall
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2054 Posts
April 29 2012 00:54 GMT
#496
On April 29 2012 09:53 Heinsenzerg wrote:
how can anyone hate on stephano....


Because he's french..
No good reasons to hate on him, real nice guy.
(the french comment was a joke btw)
Monk: Because being a badass is more fun then playing a dude wearing a scarf.. ... Ite fuck it, Witch Doctor cuz I like killing stuff in a timely mannor.
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
April 29 2012 00:54 GMT
#497
Stephano seriously misread that. He thought more zealots were coming, queen/slowling with some spines works against early zealots, but not against stalker pressure. MC saw this mistake and decided to capitalize on it by allining. You can see that by watching the late forward pylon. MC wasn't originally intending to win with that.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
April 29 2012 00:54 GMT
#498
Stephano still doesn't know how to handle 3-4 gates off of one base. A lot of Zergs have forgotten how to beat this, but you have to get spines down quickly and get down a roach warren and speed. It's a thin timing back when Protoss were 4-gating during Beta but now the timing is thinner because Protoss have figured out how to micro their stalkers.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
April 29 2012 00:54 GMT
#499
On April 29 2012 09:51 Daray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
MC WOW!!!

Not even a 4gate all-in!

Fuck yeah. That pressure.


It wasn't 4gate but it was an all-in.


That definitely wasn't an all-in. He originally planned to just do pressure, and then he committed more when he saw that he could actually kill Stephano, but if Stephano had ended up holding, MC wouldn't have lost the game (or even been behind, let alone very far behind) because Stephano had lost so much larvae to dead zerglings instead of drones and hypothetical mining time. Stephano had no tech, low drone count, and two bases.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
RUS RO DAH!!!
Profile Joined February 2012
United States277 Posts
April 29 2012 00:54 GMT
#500
On April 29 2012 09:53 Heinsenzerg wrote:
how can anyone hate on stephano....


If it makes you feel any better, I hate both players
the`postman
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1643 Posts
April 29 2012 00:55 GMT
#501
On April 29 2012 09:52 sc14s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:49 the`postman wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:46 sc14s wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:42 JitnikoVi wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:41 hifriend wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:39 Zheryn wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:29 hifriend wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:27 BuzZoo wrote:
People saying that was an awful game???
Really???

lol it was really bad.. endless posturing with no engagement. I hate it when sc2 games play out like this, when there's zero harassment and no splitting of armies, then a 5 second battle to close the 15 minute stalemate.


It probably wasn't the most "entertaining" game for people with low understanding of the game. However, I thougt the game was freaking awesome by mostly watching the production tab. So high level play and awesome game for learning.

Yes I probably just couldn't comprehend what was happening.


if you thought that game was anything below stellar you must have a miniscule knowledge of starcraft...

*sigh* i guess the since BW is dieing sc2 fans can turn on their elitist switch apparently.. you also have no clue what the other players understanding of the game.

Personally it was an avg GM level PvT late game i was watching that i can watch on the live stream tab... I am not saying the game was awful but it certainly wasn't mindblowingly amazing as all these people keep claiming.

And this is how people know you have a low understanding of the game, you don't notice the small things that separate GM players from the top professionals.

My point was that it wasn't the highest level play i've seen.. idk honestly that first game was really fucking sloppy was my point because i do understand the small things that seperate gm from top pros.. want an example? losing 13 fucking infestors is not high lvl play, sorry to burst your bubble.

Making HT's and not making them archons, then securing the high ground, finding the infestors and quickly feedbacking them was a great play by MC. Good players make other good players look bad.
Sovano
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1503 Posts
April 29 2012 00:55 GMT
#502
Pretty sick 3 gate all-in. Mixing up the build orders.
JitnikoVi
Profile Joined May 2010
Russian Federation396 Posts
April 29 2012 00:55 GMT
#503
On April 29 2012 09:54 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:51 Daray wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
MC WOW!!!

Not even a 4gate all-in!

Fuck yeah. That pressure.


It wasn't 4gate but it was an all-in.


That definitely wasn't an all-in. He originally planned to just do pressure, and then he committed more when he saw that he could actually kill Stephano, but if Stephano had ended up holding, MC wouldn't have lost the game (or even been behind, let alone very far behind) because Stephano had lost so much larvae to dead zerglings instead of drones and hypothetical mining time. Stephano had no tech, low drone count, and two bases.


This.
In theory yes, but theoretically, no.
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
April 29 2012 00:55 GMT
#504
On April 29 2012 09:54 JitnikoVi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:46 sc14s wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:42 JitnikoVi wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:41 hifriend wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:39 Zheryn wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:29 hifriend wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:27 BuzZoo wrote:
People saying that was an awful game???
Really???

lol it was really bad.. endless posturing with no engagement. I hate it when sc2 games play out like this, when there's zero harassment and no splitting of armies, then a 5 second battle to close the 15 minute stalemate.


It probably wasn't the most "entertaining" game for people with low understanding of the game. However, I thougt the game was freaking awesome by mostly watching the production tab. So high level play and awesome game for learning.

Yes I probably just couldn't comprehend what was happening.


if you thought that game was anything below stellar you must have a miniscule knowledge of starcraft...

*sigh* i guess the since BW is dieing sc2 fans can turn on their elitist switch apparently.. you also have no clue what the other players understanding of the game.

Personally it was an avg GM level PvT late game i was watching that i can watch on the live stream tab... I am not saying the game was awful but it certainly wasn't mindblowingly amazing as all these people keep claiming.


lol.. go play mario kart, the learning curve is enough for you to understand it


seriously trolls like this shouldn't be posting.. its entirely unconstructive.
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
April 29 2012 00:56 GMT
#505
On April 29 2012 09:53 Supah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:51 Daray wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
MC WOW!!!

Not even a 4gate all-in!

Fuck yeah. That pressure.


It wasn't 4gate but it was an all-in.


Not necessarily. The Stalkers are good since if the battles start going poorly, you can really book it before Speed pops. It's a strong pressure, and you're not committed as a Sentry/Zealot attack or even a 4 gas variation.


I would say he was very committed. If MC wanted to expand, he would have to warp in stuff at home to be able to even get out of his base. Completely walling off is a pretty good indication that MC was not planning on having to expand.
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
April 29 2012 00:56 GMT
#506
On April 29 2012 09:53 FataLe wrote:
For those that were thinking it was pressure. No that was all in.
It's a 3 gate because he's makeing almost unanimously stalkers, this is because he saw late/no gas.
This build is all in because the protoss cannot afford 4 gates if he's producing stalkers non - stop. 3 Gates takes care of that.


yeah, and to hold it zerg needs to basically treat it as a 4 gate it seems, especially if they delay gas.
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
hyperdemented
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria372 Posts
April 29 2012 00:56 GMT
#507
sick build by mc, stephano misread

lol@people spouting "arrogance"
haters really crack me up :D
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
April 29 2012 00:57 GMT
#508
On April 29 2012 09:53 Heinsenzerg wrote:
how can anyone hate on stephano....


Not really the place to bring up all of the controversial issues surrounding him, but there are many threads about them and enough missed games to make people dislike his approaches. And his overzealous fanbase doesn't hurt either.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
the`postman
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1643 Posts
April 29 2012 00:57 GMT
#509
On April 29 2012 09:53 Kodak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:49 the`postman wrote:

And this is how people know you have a low understanding of the game, you don't notice the small things that separate GM players from the top professionals.


What are you on about? Just because somebody didn't find a game to be mindblowing doesn't mean they have no understanding of the game. The first game wasn't bad, but just because it's long and drawn out doesn't automatically make it a stellar match.

Yes, they're playing at a high level, but watching players posture for 20 minutes with negligible harassment isn't exactly exciting as a viewer.

I never said the game was mindblowing, I never said it was exciting. I was telling him that comparing any macro based game to the games he plays in platinum is ignorant.
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 00:57:22
April 29 2012 00:57 GMT
#510
On April 29 2012 09:55 the`postman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:52 sc14s wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:49 the`postman wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:46 sc14s wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:42 JitnikoVi wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:41 hifriend wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:39 Zheryn wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:29 hifriend wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:27 BuzZoo wrote:
People saying that was an awful game???
Really???

lol it was really bad.. endless posturing with no engagement. I hate it when sc2 games play out like this, when there's zero harassment and no splitting of armies, then a 5 second battle to close the 15 minute stalemate.


It probably wasn't the most "entertaining" game for people with low understanding of the game. However, I thougt the game was freaking awesome by mostly watching the production tab. So high level play and awesome game for learning.

Yes I probably just couldn't comprehend what was happening.


if you thought that game was anything below stellar you must have a miniscule knowledge of starcraft...

*sigh* i guess the since BW is dieing sc2 fans can turn on their elitist switch apparently.. you also have no clue what the other players understanding of the game.

Personally it was an avg GM level PvT late game i was watching that i can watch on the live stream tab... I am not saying the game was awful but it certainly wasn't mindblowingly amazing as all these people keep claiming.

And this is how people know you have a low understanding of the game, you don't notice the small things that separate GM players from the top professionals.

My point was that it wasn't the highest level play i've seen.. idk honestly that first game was really fucking sloppy was my point because i do understand the small things that seperate gm from top pros.. want an example? losing 13 fucking infestors is not high lvl play, sorry to burst your bubble.

Making HT's and not making them archons, then securing the high ground, finding the infestors and quickly feedbacking them was a great play by MC. Good players make other good players look bad.

sure that was something mc did well.. howabout the fact that he did a fail vortex 45 seconds later? (which is game ending)
Porcelina
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3249 Posts
April 29 2012 00:57 GMT
#511
On April 29 2012 09:54 Jisall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:53 Heinsenzerg wrote:
how can anyone hate on stephano....


Because he's french..
No good reasons to hate on him, real nice guy.
(the french comment was a joke btw)


Wait hang on. Is the 'Because he's french' a joke because it is preposterous to hate on someone because they are for a certain country? Or is it a joke because he is widely accepted to be American?

Inquiring minds want to know.
Daray
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
6006 Posts
April 29 2012 00:57 GMT
#512
On April 29 2012 09:54 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:51 Daray wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
MC WOW!!!

Not even a 4gate all-in!

Fuck yeah. That pressure.


It wasn't 4gate but it was an all-in.


That definitely wasn't an all-in. He originally planned to just do pressure, and then he committed more when he saw that he could actually kill Stephano, but if Stephano had ended up holding, MC wouldn't have lost the game (or even been behind, let alone very far behind) because Stephano had lost so much larvae to dead zerglings instead of drones and hypothetical mining time. Stephano had no tech, low drone count, and two bases.


He walled himself in with a pylon he wasn't going to expand. Going all stalker from 3 gates is pretty much all you can afford anyway.
Supah
Profile Joined August 2010
708 Posts
April 29 2012 00:58 GMT
#513
On April 29 2012 09:56 blooblooblahblah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:53 Supah wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:51 Daray wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
MC WOW!!!

Not even a 4gate all-in!

Fuck yeah. That pressure.


It wasn't 4gate but it was an all-in.


Not necessarily. The Stalkers are good since if the battles start going poorly, you can really book it before Speed pops. It's a strong pressure, and you're not committed as a Sentry/Zealot attack or even a 4 gas variation.


I would say he was very committed. If MC wanted to expand, he would have to warp in stuff at home to be able to even get out of his base. Completely walling off is a pretty good indication that MC was not planning on having to expand.


Any pressure should include this, because a handful of lings running by means you lose attack force by having to warp in at home (minus just ONE warp in to save the wall), and you could lose your Probes. Lack of second gas, lack of another gate, MC actually getting his second gas partly through the attack, the late-ish forward Pylon really showed it wasn't an all in. There was a planned transition out of this.
ibo422
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium2844 Posts
April 29 2012 00:58 GMT
#514
No stargate yet? Damm.. this is stephano's game right now -__-
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
April 29 2012 00:58 GMT
#515
On April 29 2012 09:57 the`postman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:53 Kodak wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:49 the`postman wrote:

And this is how people know you have a low understanding of the game, you don't notice the small things that separate GM players from the top professionals.


What are you on about? Just because somebody didn't find a game to be mindblowing doesn't mean they have no understanding of the game. The first game wasn't bad, but just because it's long and drawn out doesn't automatically make it a stellar match.

Yes, they're playing at a high level, but watching players posture for 20 minutes with negligible harassment isn't exactly exciting as a viewer.

I never said the game was mindblowing, I never said it was exciting. I was telling him that comparing any macro based game to the games he plays in platinum is ignorant.

AND apparently you missed the fact that i told you it was hyperbole when you quoted me.
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
April 29 2012 00:59 GMT
#516
On April 29 2012 09:55 JitnikoVi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:54 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:51 Daray wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
MC WOW!!!

Not even a 4gate all-in!

Fuck yeah. That pressure.


It wasn't 4gate but it was an all-in.


That definitely wasn't an all-in. He originally planned to just do pressure, and then he committed more when he saw that he could actually kill Stephano, but if Stephano had ended up holding, MC wouldn't have lost the game (or even been behind, let alone very far behind) because Stephano had lost so much larvae to dead zerglings instead of drones and hypothetical mining time. Stephano had no tech, low drone count, and two bases.


This.


Not this. MC blindly blocked his base b4 he even reached Stephano's base. He was definitely wanting to do more than just pressure.
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
IMNasty
Profile Joined February 2012
663 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 01:23:42
April 29 2012 00:59 GMT
#517
SPOILERS for those who dont want to know results
+ Show Spoiler +
Edit


User was warned for this post
Eshra
Profile Joined April 2011
France1009 Posts
April 29 2012 00:59 GMT
#518
That minimap looks like a bear willing to put his giant paws around you for a hug.
Kodak
Profile Joined March 2011
United States157 Posts
April 29 2012 00:59 GMT
#519
On April 29 2012 09:57 the`postman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:53 Kodak wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:49 the`postman wrote:

And this is how people know you have a low understanding of the game, you don't notice the small things that separate GM players from the top professionals.


What are you on about? Just because somebody didn't find a game to be mindblowing doesn't mean they have no understanding of the game. The first game wasn't bad, but just because it's long and drawn out doesn't automatically make it a stellar match.

Yes, they're playing at a high level, but watching players posture for 20 minutes with negligible harassment isn't exactly exciting as a viewer.

I never said the game was mindblowing, I never said it was exciting. I was telling him that comparing any macro based game to the games he plays in platinum is ignorant.


Fair enough, but his point about it being similar to his platinum games was not him ignoring the superior skill of MC/Stephano, rather he was simply stating it in reference to the passivity of the match. I believe he said something along the lines of "if I wanted to watch players sit back and macro for 20 minutes I'd just watch one of my plat games"

Regardless, enjoy the games!
twitch.tv/crwnkodak [ Taeja | Huk | MMA ]
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
April 29 2012 01:00 GMT
#520
We're spoiled by the GSL observers. Everygame not "directed" by them looks pale now
ibo422
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium2844 Posts
April 29 2012 01:00 GMT
#521
On April 29 2012 09:59 Eshra wrote:
That minimap looks like a bear willing to put his giant paws around you for a hug.

Noticed it too. :D
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
April 29 2012 01:01 GMT
#522
On April 29 2012 09:59 Eshra wrote:
That minimap looks like a bear willing to put his giant paws around you for a hug.

That's...so true. :D
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
April 29 2012 01:01 GMT
#523
On April 29 2012 09:57 Daray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:54 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:51 Daray wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
MC WOW!!!

Not even a 4gate all-in!

Fuck yeah. That pressure.


It wasn't 4gate but it was an all-in.


That definitely wasn't an all-in. He originally planned to just do pressure, and then he committed more when he saw that he could actually kill Stephano, but if Stephano had ended up holding, MC wouldn't have lost the game (or even been behind, let alone very far behind) because Stephano had lost so much larvae to dead zerglings instead of drones and hypothetical mining time. Stephano had no tech, low drone count, and two bases.


He walled himself in with a pylon he wasn't going to expand. Going all stalker from 3 gates is pretty much all you can afford anyway.


He walled himself in to prevent a runby, and a 4gate stalker attack (or 5gate zealots) is how much you can afford. Plus, he was warping in zealots as well, not pure stalker.

Anyways, I'm going to focus on game four now
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
April 29 2012 01:01 GMT
#524
No idea why he continued to warp in more zealots when he saw Stephano had 4-5 roaches..
Zyzzbrah
Profile Joined April 2012
Australia4 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 01:05:50
April 29 2012 01:01 GMT
#525
--- Nuked ---
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
April 29 2012 01:01 GMT
#526
On April 29 2012 10:00 MrCon wrote:
We're spoiled by the GSL observers. Everygame not "directed" by them looks pale now

yeah ST_legend really is a legendary observer
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
April 29 2012 01:01 GMT
#527
On April 29 2012 10:00 MrCon wrote:
We're spoiled by the GSL observers. Everygame not "directed" by them looks pale now

We need to clone ST_Legend
¯\_(シ)_/¯
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
April 29 2012 01:02 GMT
#528
MC is gonna be ready.. 8 sentries, 4+ immortals, blink probably in time.. it's gonna be tough with MCfields
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 01:02:37
April 29 2012 01:02 GMT
#529
ouch fail ff is gg
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
April 29 2012 01:02 GMT
#530
Zyzzbrah

GO DIE IN FIRE.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 01:06:22
April 29 2012 01:02 GMT
#531
On April 29 2012 10:01 Zyzzbrah wrote:
SPOILERS

lol what a troll
i wish i had a report button, but hopefully some mods see this
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Supah
Profile Joined August 2010
708 Posts
April 29 2012 01:02 GMT
#532
And that's Protoss. Autoloss from split second of late FFs.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
April 29 2012 01:02 GMT
#533
Missed forcefields against mass roach in PvZ = gg.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
TheRhox
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada868 Posts
April 29 2012 01:02 GMT
#534
sloppy mistake from MC :<
Amornthep
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore2605 Posts
April 29 2012 01:02 GMT
#535
Not paying attention just ended the game there for MC.
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 01:07:18
April 29 2012 01:02 GMT
#536
On April 29 2012 09:59 IMNasty wrote:
SPOILERS

1) Why would you post this at all whether or not it is true.
2)Why post it especially if it is true? What does it do for you -_-
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
April 29 2012 01:02 GMT
#537
On April 29 2012 10:02 mordk wrote:
MC is gonna be ready.. 8 sentries, 4+ immortals, blink probably in time.. it's gonna be tough with MCfields

LOL.. scratch that.. MC not paying attention
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
April 29 2012 01:03 GMT
#538
Yeah stephano!!!! Tying this series up!

This is gonna be a great 9 games :3
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
the`postman
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1643 Posts
April 29 2012 01:03 GMT
#539
On April 29 2012 09:58 sc14s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:57 the`postman wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:53 Kodak wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:49 the`postman wrote:

And this is how people know you have a low understanding of the game, you don't notice the small things that separate GM players from the top professionals.


What are you on about? Just because somebody didn't find a game to be mindblowing doesn't mean they have no understanding of the game. The first game wasn't bad, but just because it's long and drawn out doesn't automatically make it a stellar match.

Yes, they're playing at a high level, but watching players posture for 20 minutes with negligible harassment isn't exactly exciting as a viewer.

I never said the game was mindblowing, I never said it was exciting. I was telling him that comparing any macro based game to the games he plays in platinum is ignorant.

AND apparently you missed the fact that i told you it was hyperbole when you quoted me.

I'm sure it was, I don't think you're stupid enough to really believe that.

"this exactly, i hate macro games where the players sit around and don't do jack shit 3/4 of the game.. i can do that in my plat league just fine and don't need to watch a progame doing the exact same shit."

Just because you don't notice what they are doing 3/4 of the game doesn't mean that nothing is happening. That said, I don't really care if you you found the game exciting or not, what I said is that you made an ignorant statement.
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
April 29 2012 01:03 GMT
#540
On April 29 2012 10:02 Whatson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:01 Zyzzbrah wrote:


SPOILERS

lol what a troll
i wish i had a report button, but hopefully some mods see this

you aren't supposed to respond to it
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
April 29 2012 01:03 GMT
#541
Oh no, MC missed his forcefields, I guess that's the end of this game! This is retarded
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Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
April 29 2012 01:03 GMT
#542
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Mioraka
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada1353 Posts
April 29 2012 01:03 GMT
#543
This is the meta game for ZvP.

If protoss doesn't do enough damage in the first pressure and takes a third, it is roach max to gg.
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
April 29 2012 01:03 GMT
#544
On April 29 2012 10:03 the`postman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:58 sc14s wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:57 the`postman wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:53 Kodak wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:49 the`postman wrote:

And this is how people know you have a low understanding of the game, you don't notice the small things that separate GM players from the top professionals.


What are you on about? Just because somebody didn't find a game to be mindblowing doesn't mean they have no understanding of the game. The first game wasn't bad, but just because it's long and drawn out doesn't automatically make it a stellar match.

Yes, they're playing at a high level, but watching players posture for 20 minutes with negligible harassment isn't exactly exciting as a viewer.

I never said the game was mindblowing, I never said it was exciting. I was telling him that comparing any macro based game to the games he plays in platinum is ignorant.

AND apparently you missed the fact that i told you it was hyperbole when you quoted me.

I'm sure it was, I don't think you're stupid enough to really believe that.

"this exactly, i hate macro games where the players sit around and don't do jack shit 3/4 of the game.. i can do that in my plat league just fine and don't need to watch a progame doing the exact same shit."

Just because you don't notice what they are doing 3/4 of the game doesn't mean that nothing is happening. That said, I don't really care if you you found the game exciting or not, what I said is that you made an ignorant statement.

really feels like you are the ignorant one here =/
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
April 29 2012 01:03 GMT
#545
And Protoss just... lose ?

Damn that's weird to see. ( terran players here )
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
April 29 2012 01:03 GMT
#546
Really great and very close games.
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
April 29 2012 01:04 GMT
#547
Funny, almost all my PvZs end up this way too
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Zheryn
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3653 Posts
April 29 2012 01:04 GMT
#548
So well played by Stephano, baiting forcefields like a boss and distracting with 2 pronged attacks.
hundred thousand krouner
JyB
Profile Joined January 2012
France466 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 01:05:10
April 29 2012 01:04 GMT
#549
wp steph

Please mods ....
ban the spoiler page 27 (and the dummy who quoted it)
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
April 29 2012 01:04 GMT
#550
Lol and all those imbeciles who quote spoilers...
Well played folks, wouldn't have seen it if it weren't for you geniuses.
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
April 29 2012 01:04 GMT
#551
Well, this is what happens when you can't stop the max roach push. MC tried to harass early, but it failed and so the end result was inevitable.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
April 29 2012 01:04 GMT
#552
On April 29 2012 10:03 Noocta wrote:
And Protoss just... lose ?

Damn that's weird to see. ( terran players here )

MC wasn't paying attention. With good forcefields he could have gotten to critical mass of immortals easily for the next push. Then it's over.
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
April 29 2012 01:04 GMT
#553
Zyzzbrah need to be banned for life, seriously. The spoilers in BOLD and repeated, in the damn LR THREAD ??!!
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
April 29 2012 01:05 GMT
#554
On April 29 2012 10:03 Noocta wrote:
And Protoss just... lose ?

Damn that's weird to see. ( terran players here )

happens alot in my PvZ .. you need to do a boatload of harass damage to allow you to get a 3rd =/

Thats why timing attacks are pretty much the go-to for P vs Z atm
CurlyBruce
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (North)11 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 01:08:16
April 29 2012 01:05 GMT
#555
On April 29 2012 10:01 Zyzzbrah wrote:
SPOILERS

Thanks, brah.
Eshra
Profile Joined April 2011
France1009 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 01:05:23
April 29 2012 01:05 GMT
#556
Wtf, a mod gotta edit that stupid idiot's post before others get spoiled as well.

Edit : Dont quote him -.-
Zyzzbrah
Profile Joined April 2012
Australia4 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 01:08:31
April 29 2012 01:05 GMT
#557
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0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Spain2464 Posts
April 29 2012 01:05 GMT
#558
On April 29 2012 10:04 Zheryn wrote:
So well played by Stephano, baiting forcefields like a boss and distracting with 2 pronged attacks.

Can't tell if sarcasm or not
Mashmed
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden198 Posts
April 29 2012 01:05 GMT
#559
On April 29 2012 10:03 Aocowns wrote:
Oh no, MC missed his forcefields, I guess that's the end of this game! This is retarded

Ye the forcefields... and the 4 warpins at the third of stephano and the trying to take an early third despite losing those units. But you're right no matter how much protoss lose they should be able to stay in the game with forcefields.
Gosh Digglydarnit
Youtakenocandle
Profile Joined February 2012
543 Posts
April 29 2012 01:05 GMT
#560
It baffles me that there is a pimply kid somewhere, australia in this case. That goes out of his way to make a new TL account, just to spoil and annoy a few people.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 01:05:44
April 29 2012 01:05 GMT
#561
The difference between that game and the other games is how little damage MC's +1 zealot stalker attack did. The size of that map makes it difficult and MC flat out dies to mass roaches after the harass did no damage. This is what happens to foreigner Protoss players when they face up against Stephano.
DownMaxX
Profile Joined August 2008
Canada1311 Posts
April 29 2012 01:05 GMT
#562
stop quoting people who spoil results, you're only making it worse
parasite
ibo422
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium2844 Posts
April 29 2012 01:05 GMT
#563
On April 29 2012 10:04 Whatson wrote:
Funny, almost all my PvZs end up this way too

QFT!!!
Islandsnake
Profile Joined April 2009
United States679 Posts
April 29 2012 01:05 GMT
#564
Ugh damn spoilers... >.>

Oh well so far its been a good series!
Bang!
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
April 29 2012 01:05 GMT
#565
On April 29 2012 10:01 sc14s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:00 MrCon wrote:
We're spoiled by the GSL observers. Everygame not "directed" by them looks pale now

yeah ST_legend really is a legendary observer


Agreed. At least CatsPajamas and Doa are great casters!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
April 29 2012 01:05 GMT
#566
On April 29 2012 09:58 Supah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:56 blooblooblahblah wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:53 Supah wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:51 Daray wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
MC WOW!!!

Not even a 4gate all-in!

Fuck yeah. That pressure.


It wasn't 4gate but it was an all-in.


Not necessarily. The Stalkers are good since if the battles start going poorly, you can really book it before Speed pops. It's a strong pressure, and you're not committed as a Sentry/Zealot attack or even a 4 gas variation.


I would say he was very committed. If MC wanted to expand, he would have to warp in stuff at home to be able to even get out of his base. Completely walling off is a pretty good indication that MC was not planning on having to expand.


Any pressure should include this, because a handful of lings running by means you lose attack force by having to warp in at home (minus just ONE warp in to save the wall), and you could lose your Probes. Lack of second gas, lack of another gate, MC actually getting his second gas partly through the attack, the late-ish forward Pylon really showed it wasn't an all in. There was a planned transition out of this.


Lack of second gas and lack of the 4th gate is only cos MC wanted constant stalker production, which u can only barely do with 3 gates, the 4th gate becomes pretty useless after a few warp-ins. MC was able to do enough damage so he started to transition, but it really didn't really look like that was his intention. Some koreans have started to do this build and none of them ever expand, it's really just a 4gate but because they have better mechanics, they save 150 minerals and constantly warp in from 3.
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 01:06:26
April 29 2012 01:05 GMT
#567
On April 29 2012 10:03 Aocowns wrote:
Oh no, MC missed his forcefields, I guess that's the end of this game! This is retarded


Game ended when MC didnt do enough dmg to Stephano early on and then he gets very dangerious. Forcefield energy would run out and then he dies. On these maps there is a reason why so many pro says this build is allmost unstoppable
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
April 29 2012 01:05 GMT
#568
On April 29 2012 10:04 Zheryn wrote:
So well played by Stephano, baiting forcefields like a boss and distracting with 2 pronged attacks.

He played fine, but when did he "bait" forcefields, it was more that he slammed a ton of roaches right on MC's army and MC was very slow on FF.
TheRhox
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada868 Posts
April 29 2012 01:05 GMT
#569
Idiots quoting him.. lol
JitnikoVi
Profile Joined May 2010
Russian Federation396 Posts
April 29 2012 01:05 GMT
#570
On April 29 2012 10:03 sc14s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:02 Whatson wrote:
On April 29 2012 10:01 Zyzzbrah wrote:


SPOILERS

lol what a troll
i wish i had a report button, but hopefully some mods see this

you aren't supposed to respond to it


great advice, any another disparaging comments you have? you've been stating them for the entire duration of this stream thus far.
In theory yes, but theoretically, no.
ItchyLegs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada369 Posts
April 29 2012 01:06 GMT
#571
notice how stephano took roach warren at 6:35 instead of 7:00 because he scouted no gas at the natural on atlantis spaceship... so smart
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
April 29 2012 01:06 GMT
#572
On April 29 2012 10:05 CurlyBruce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:01 Zyzzbrah wrote:
[spoiler][spoiler]MC WIN 5-3
MC WIN 5-3
MC WIN 5-3
MC WIN 5-3
MC WIN 5-3
MC WIN 5-3
MC WIN 5-3


Stephano 1-0
MC 1-1
MC 2-1
Stephano 2-2
Stephano 3-2
MC 3-3
MC 4-3
MC 5-3


link to stephano's US account
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2808471/1/MillStephano/matches

SPOILERS

Thanks, brah.

At least put it in fucking spoilers, come on!
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
openbox1
Profile Joined March 2011
1393 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 01:07:17
April 29 2012 01:06 GMT
#573
On April 29 2012 10:01 Zyzzbrah wrote:


**CENSORED**


link to stephano's US account
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2808471/1/MillStephano/matches

SPOILERS


I feel like a moron. I was wondering what he meant by spoilers click the link and was wondering why there were so many CENSORED on his account. Then it suddenly hit me that he spoiled it. Well he did give warning....

Jerk though.
Protosnake
Profile Joined September 2011
France295 Posts
April 29 2012 01:06 GMT
#574
On April 29 2012 10:03 Mioraka wrote:
This is the meta game for ZvP.

If protoss doesn't do enough damage in the first pressure and takes a third, it is roach max to gg.


If you commit a lot of ressource to pressure the 3rd and dont do any economic damage you're massively behind, that's not a problem and it's true in every matchup
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
April 29 2012 01:06 GMT
#575
Stephano v Polt next week???



That would be too good!
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
April 29 2012 01:06 GMT
#576
On April 29 2012 10:01 Zyzzbrah wrote:
Edit

Mods.

Ban him.

Now.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
TheRhox
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada868 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 01:07:17
April 29 2012 01:06 GMT
#577
openbox1.. you're an idiot


edit:you fixed it, too late for me though lol
Zyzzbrah
Profile Joined April 2012
Australia4 Posts
April 29 2012 01:06 GMT
#578
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
April 29 2012 01:06 GMT
#579
On April 29 2012 10:05 DownMaxX wrote:
stop quoting people who spoil results, you're only making it worse


I'm PMing them all as fast as I can, but more people keep doing it x.x rofl
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
RoyAlex
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway420 Posts
April 29 2012 01:06 GMT
#580
Don't have flawless Forcefields in a single engagement.. dies.
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
April 29 2012 01:06 GMT
#581
On April 29 2012 10:05 Youtakenocandle wrote:
It baffles me that there is a pimply kid somewhere, australia in this case. That goes out of his way to make a new TL account, just to spoil and annoy a few people.

Until people start raising their kids to show respect to everyone its not going to change or their friends do it or something. Or maybe we could take after korea and give the ability to sue retards online :D
Enchanted
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1609 Posts
April 29 2012 01:07 GMT
#582
god damnit that asshole ruined the fucking showmatch for me...
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
April 29 2012 01:07 GMT
#583
On April 29 2012 10:06 openbox1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:01 Zyzzbrah wrote:


**CENSORED**


link to stephano's US account
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2808471/1/MillStephano/matches

SPOILERS


I feel like a moron. I was wondering what he meant by spoilers click the link and was wondering why there were so many losses on his account. Then it suddenly hit me that he spoiled it. Well he did give warning....

Jerk though.

Don't quote
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Eshra
Profile Joined April 2011
France1009 Posts
April 29 2012 01:07 GMT
#584
There, a kid is happy because he spoiled results for a bunch of us. Sad.
Darkedge
Profile Joined April 2012
17 Posts
April 29 2012 01:07 GMT
#585
Those who quote "it" deserve a ban too imo.
staples2
Profile Joined December 2010
United States216 Posts
April 29 2012 01:07 GMT
#586
On April 29 2012 10:03 Noocta wrote:
And Protoss just... lose ?

Damn that's weird to see. ( terran players here )


I have seen some roach corrupter max attacks too if they come in later. Roach counter everything, corrupter make sure any colossus are dead
Air Force Mission: Kill people and break their shit
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
April 29 2012 01:07 GMT
#587
On April 29 2012 10:05 JitnikoVi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:03 sc14s wrote:
On April 29 2012 10:02 Whatson wrote:
On April 29 2012 10:01 Zyzzbrah wrote:


SPOILERS

lol what a troll
i wish i had a report button, but hopefully some mods see this

you aren't supposed to respond to it


great advice, any another disparaging comments you have? you've been stating them for the entire duration of this stream thus far.

It is actually, i've seen people get warned by mods not to quote it (notice i deleted the spoilers?)
grackaddict
Profile Joined January 2012
Korea (North)5 Posts
April 29 2012 01:07 GMT
#588
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Youtakenocandle
Profile Joined February 2012
543 Posts
April 29 2012 01:07 GMT
#589
Rofl I really would love to ring his doorbell right now. He would poop his pants.
maracuja123
Profile Joined February 2012
Brazil419 Posts
April 29 2012 01:07 GMT
#590
can someone tell me how was the game 4?

i was gettin some bacon and suddenly the game was over =O

so quick.. what happened
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4492 Posts
April 29 2012 01:07 GMT
#591
On April 29 2012 10:05 Zyzzbrah wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
MC WIN 5-3
MC WIN 5-3
MC WIN 5-3
MC WIN 5-3
MC WIN 5-3
MC WIN 5-3
MC WIN 5-3

Stephano 1-0
MC 1-1
MC 2-1
Stephano 2-2
Stephano 3-2
MC 3-3
MC 4-3
MC 5-3


link to stephano's US account
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2808471/1/MillStephano/matches

SPOILERS

Man I thought you died brah?
hi. big fan.
openbox1
Profile Joined March 2011
1393 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 01:08:15
April 29 2012 01:07 GMT
#592
On April 29 2012 10:06 TheRhox wrote:
openbox1.. you're an idiot


edit:you fixed it, too late for me though lol


I know I was like ooops... I'm the moron and immediately edited it... Sorry dude!!!
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
April 29 2012 01:08 GMT
#593
"Why your roach so strong" ©MC
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
April 29 2012 01:08 GMT
#594
If you could also warn all the %#¨£/§ who mindlessly quote the spoiler...
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
April 29 2012 01:08 GMT
#595
On April 29 2012 10:07 grackaddict wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:05 Zyzzbrah wrote:


SPOILERS

Thanks, brah.

Good lord edit it
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Mithridates
Profile Joined June 2011
United States446 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 01:08:44
April 29 2012 01:08 GMT
#596
On April 29 2012 10:06 Zyzzbrah wrote:
SPOILERS DON'T READ IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GET SPOILED

wow fuck off
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
April 29 2012 01:08 GMT
#597
On April 29 2012 10:05 Chewbacca. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:04 Zheryn wrote:
So well played by Stephano, baiting forcefields like a boss and distracting with 2 pronged attacks.

He played fine, but when did he "bait" forcefields, it was more that he slammed a ton of roaches right on MC's army and MC was very slow on FF.


The minute before with the few lings/roaches which baited like 10 forcefields ?
NoiR
UTL_Unlimited
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Korea (South)353 Posts
April 29 2012 01:08 GMT
#598
SKT1 scarf?... Flash is KT...
Need to write more things...
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
April 29 2012 01:08 GMT
#599
The amount of fail in quoting spoilers is facepalm worthy.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
April 29 2012 01:08 GMT
#600
Oh man we're getting trolled there by all the friends/smurfs of Zyybrah.
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
April 29 2012 01:08 GMT
#601
On April 29 2012 10:08 Mithridates wrote:
wow fuck off

Dude.. don't quote spoilers wtf...
grackaddict
Profile Joined January 2012
Korea (North)5 Posts
April 29 2012 01:09 GMT
#602
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Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
April 29 2012 01:09 GMT
#603
On April 29 2012 10:08 Mithridates wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:06 Zyzzbrah wrote:



SPOILERS DON'T READ IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GET SPOILED

wow fuck off


DON'T FUCKING QUOTE IT please. When the post is removed, your quote stays...
NoiR
darkevilxe
Profile Joined August 2007
Canada346 Posts
April 29 2012 01:09 GMT
#604
hahha so good
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
April 29 2012 01:09 GMT
#605
Lol dat hatch block rofl :DDDDDD
TheRhox
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada868 Posts
April 29 2012 01:09 GMT
#606
On April 29 2012 10:06 RoyAlex wrote:
Don't have flawless Forcefields in a single engagement.. dies.


don't have perfect injects and control vs 3gate ... dies

I don't see how this is any different
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
April 29 2012 01:09 GMT
#607
oh well, im stop watching due spoilers.

this fu**** really ruined it for me.
Zyzzbrah
Profile Joined April 2012
Australia4 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 01:10:52
April 29 2012 01:09 GMT
#608
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monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
April 29 2012 01:09 GMT
#609
Holy shit, don't quote spoilers if you know they're going to be nuked.
Moderator
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4492 Posts
April 29 2012 01:09 GMT
#610
Someone get a sauna/mod in 'ere.
hi. big fan.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 29 2012 01:09 GMT
#611
Damnit, this is why you use spoiler-free maps
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Mithridates
Profile Joined June 2011
United States446 Posts
April 29 2012 01:09 GMT
#612
On April 29 2012 10:08 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:08 Mithridates wrote:
wow fuck off

Dude.. don't quote spoilers wtf...

I edited it immediatley
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
April 29 2012 01:09 GMT
#613
How romantic
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
April 29 2012 01:10 GMT
#614
MC and Stephano got huge respect from eachother very nice to see
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
April 29 2012 01:10 GMT
#615
On April 29 2012 10:09 grackaddict wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:06 Zyzzbrah wrote:

SPOILERS REMOVED.


link to stephano's US account
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2808471/1/MillStephano/matches

SPOILERS DON'T READ IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GET SPOILED

Thanks, brah.


This guy also needs to be reported and banned; he keeps posting the spoilers.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Youtakenocandle
Profile Joined February 2012
543 Posts
April 29 2012 01:10 GMT
#616
On April 29 2012 10:08 ZenithM wrote:
Oh man we're getting trolled there by all the friends/smurfs of Zyybrah.


His behaviour makes it obvious that he has no friends and is seeking even negative attention. Fucking lame though. Someone in australia should visit him just to scare him :D
Supah
Profile Joined August 2010
708 Posts
April 29 2012 01:10 GMT
#617
On April 29 2012 10:05 Mashmed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:03 Aocowns wrote:
Oh no, MC missed his forcefields, I guess that's the end of this game! This is retarded

Ye the forcefields... and the 4 warpins at the third of stephano and the trying to take an early third despite losing those units. But you're right no matter how much protoss lose they should be able to stay in the game with forcefields.


2 base pressure only really leads to a 7 gate +2 Blink all in if you don't expand. The early expo is very defensible if you hit the FFs, MC does this regularly. 4 extra Zealots isn't make or break (consider it a delaying of the Nexus by a handful of seconds), while missing FFs with that few units will kill you regardless of how far ahead or behind you are.
grackaddict
Profile Joined January 2012
Korea (North)5 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 01:13:29
April 29 2012 01:10 GMT
#618
--- Nuked ---
JyB
Profile Joined January 2012
France466 Posts
April 29 2012 01:10 GMT
#619
I hope all users who have quoted spoilers get temp banned.
IMNasty
Profile Joined February 2012
663 Posts
April 29 2012 01:10 GMT
#620
On April 29 2012 10:02 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:59 IMNasty wrote:
SPOILERS

1) Why would you post this at all whether or not it is true.
2)Why post it especially if it is true? What does it do for you -_-


got it from stephano's bnet page, blame IPL for not using cloaked maps. and its for people who want to know results but dont have time to watch
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
April 29 2012 01:10 GMT
#621
Ok, mods? ban Zyzzbrah and all the guys who quoted without at least put in spoilers.
Please?
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
April 29 2012 01:11 GMT
#622
grackaddict and Zyzzbrah both seem to be new troll/ flame accounts created to spoil the match. What the fuck?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
maracuja123
Profile Joined February 2012
Brazil419 Posts
April 29 2012 01:11 GMT
#623
Even though people here are dicks, IPl should've used cloaked maps..
Eshra
Profile Joined April 2011
France1009 Posts
April 29 2012 01:11 GMT
#624
Will they ban that idiot already ?
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
April 29 2012 01:11 GMT
#625
On April 29 2012 10:09 dragonborn wrote:
oh well, im stop watching due spoilers.

this fu**** really ruined it for me.

Same here, can't believe this shit.

I mean, there are morons everywhere, the biggest problem here, is WHY THE HELL IPL DOESN'T USE CLOACKED SPOILER FREE MAP -_-
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
April 29 2012 01:11 GMT
#626
On April 29 2012 10:10 Youtakenocandle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:08 ZenithM wrote:
Oh man we're getting trolled there by all the friends/smurfs of Zyybrah.


His behaviour makes it obvious that he has no friends and is seeking even negative attention. Fucking lame though. Someone in australia should visit him just to scare him :D

And he quotes himself with another account to say thanks ><
How can guy like that exist. I often try to imagine how they are in real life. You should all do this too, it's very relaxing.
Kodak
Profile Joined March 2011
United States157 Posts
April 29 2012 01:11 GMT
#627
Fuck you spoilers
twitch.tv/crwnkodak [ Taeja | Huk | MMA ]
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
April 29 2012 01:12 GMT
#628
On April 29 2012 10:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
grackaddict and Zyzzbrah both seem to be new troll/ flame accounts created to spoil the match. What the fuck?


CurlyBruce too i think
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
April 29 2012 01:12 GMT
#629
On April 29 2012 10:10 IMNasty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:02 mrtomjones wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:59 IMNasty wrote:
SPOILERS

1) Why would you post this at all whether or not it is true.
2)Why post it especially if it is true? What does it do for you -_-


got it from stephano's bnet page, blame IPL for not using cloaked maps. and its for people who want to know results but dont have time to watch

Lol you need to be banned too. Why wouldn't those people be able to fucking WAIT for the results after it's been broadcasted?
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4492 Posts
April 29 2012 01:12 GMT
#630
On April 29 2012 10:11 maracuja123 wrote:
Even though people here are dicks, IPl should've used cloaked maps..

can someone aware me on this? Haven't been in the scene for 7 months.
hi. big fan.
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
April 29 2012 01:12 GMT
#631
On April 29 2012 10:09 dragonborn wrote:
oh well, im stop watching due spoilers.

this fu**** really ruined it for me.



This.....




Doesn't tell how the games went though.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
ImmortalTofu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1254 Posts
April 29 2012 01:12 GMT
#632
Retards... If you're gonna post spoilers, or just as bad, quoting unquoted spoilers... Ugh... Now the showmatch doesn't have that much watch value anymore TTTT
"Friendship ain't a business deal"
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
April 29 2012 01:12 GMT
#633
On April 29 2012 10:11 Lasbike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:09 dragonborn wrote:
oh well, im stop watching due spoilers.

this fu**** really ruined it for me.

Same here, can't believe this shit.

I mean, there are morons everywhere, the biggest problem here, is WHY THE HELL IPL DOESN'T USE CLOACKED SPOILER FREE MAP -_-


What does that mean?

And you can always look at a person's match history (like Stephano or MC) to see their previous games and whether they won or lost them.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
TheRhox
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada868 Posts
April 29 2012 01:13 GMT
#634
On April 29 2012 10:12 Havik_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:09 dragonborn wrote:
oh well, im stop watching due spoilers.

this fu**** really ruined it for me.



This.....




Doesn't tell how the games went though.


I'd leave this thread asap then.
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
April 29 2012 01:13 GMT
#635
On April 29 2012 10:12 FataLe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:11 maracuja123 wrote:
Even though people here are dicks, IPl should've used cloaked maps..

can someone aware me on this? Haven't been in the scene for 7 months.

It's modified version of maps, where you can't see who played against the player you're looking at, who won, who lost, or any statistics about the game. The result of the game is "tied" and that's all.
Kodak
Profile Joined March 2011
United States157 Posts
April 29 2012 01:13 GMT
#636
On April 29 2012 10:12 FataLe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:11 maracuja123 wrote:
Even though people here are dicks, IPl should've used cloaked maps..

can someone aware me on this? Haven't been in the scene for 7 months.


Cloaked maps hide the results of the game, so match history sniping doesn't work (and thus prevents spoilers)
twitch.tv/crwnkodak [ Taeja | Huk | MMA ]
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 01:13:46
April 29 2012 01:13 GMT
#637
On April 29 2012 10:12 ZenithM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:10 IMNasty wrote:
On April 29 2012 10:02 mrtomjones wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:59 IMNasty wrote:
SPOILERS

1) Why would you post this at all whether or not it is true.
2)Why post it especially if it is true? What does it do for you -_-


got it from stephano's bnet page, blame IPL for not using cloaked maps. and its for people who want to know results but dont have time to watch

Lol you need to be banned too. Why wouldn't those people be able to fucking WAIT for the results after it's been broadcasted?

This guy post spoilers in every thread. He really want to be agreeable to people who can't watch live but can read the LR thread live to know the end results I guess.
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
April 29 2012 01:14 GMT
#638
This is fcuking ruined now. Thanks to all assholes deliberately posting spoilers under several accounts.

IPL your big showmatch got ruined. Use cloaked maps or some c@nt will act like a dick like they have in this thread.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
April 29 2012 01:14 GMT
#639
On April 29 2012 10:12 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:11 Lasbike wrote:
On April 29 2012 10:09 dragonborn wrote:
oh well, im stop watching due spoilers.

this fu**** really ruined it for me.

Same here, can't believe this shit.

I mean, there are morons everywhere, the biggest problem here, is WHY THE HELL IPL DOESN'T USE CLOACKED SPOILER FREE MAP -_-


What does that mean?

And you can always look at a person's match history (like Stephano or MC) to see their previous games and whether they won or lost them.

I would guess those cloaked maps don't display build orders and army value and shit and always end up as a "Tie" in match history. Pretty smart.
Youtakenocandle
Profile Joined February 2012
543 Posts
April 29 2012 01:14 GMT
#640
Yeah this is IGN's fault really. There are always lonely douchebags like this guy trying to ruin fun of others.
TheRhox
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada868 Posts
April 29 2012 01:14 GMT
#641
well this showmatch is ruined for me time to watch NASL lol..
Eshra
Profile Joined April 2011
France1009 Posts
April 29 2012 01:14 GMT
#642
On April 29 2012 10:12 FataLe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:11 maracuja123 wrote:
Even though people here are dicks, IPl should've used cloaked maps..

can someone aware me on this? Haven't been in the scene for 7 months.


If I'm right, the game considers there's a 3rd player in the game, so even when both of the players leave, you can't see the result since it's technically not over.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
April 29 2012 01:14 GMT
#643
cmon stephano! HOLD!!!!
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
utlanning
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia6 Posts
April 29 2012 01:14 GMT
#644
Yeah, replaycasts should definitely be played on cloaked maps. The only other way to guarantee a spoiler free experience would be just not to participate in the LR thread, and what fun would that be?
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
April 29 2012 01:15 GMT
#645
Oh shit the tension!!!!

...
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
April 29 2012 01:16 GMT
#646
On April 29 2012 10:14 ZenithM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:12 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On April 29 2012 10:11 Lasbike wrote:
On April 29 2012 10:09 dragonborn wrote:
oh well, im stop watching due spoilers.

this fu**** really ruined it for me.

Same here, can't believe this shit.

I mean, there are morons everywhere, the biggest problem here, is WHY THE HELL IPL DOESN'T USE CLOACKED SPOILER FREE MAP -_-


What does that mean?

And you can always look at a person's match history (like Stephano or MC) to see their previous games and whether they won or lost them.

I would guess those cloaked maps don't display build orders and army value and shit and always end up as a "Tie" in match history. Pretty smart.


Oh cool! Didn't know about that
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
April 29 2012 01:16 GMT
#647
This +2 blink stalker timing by MC was done without a robo to hit a faster timing.
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
April 29 2012 01:16 GMT
#648
hmmm, any idea why mc went for a 7 gate blink with only 2 gas and more zealots?
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
FlyingTurtle
Profile Joined February 2012
United States248 Posts
April 29 2012 01:16 GMT
#649
Dat flank!
"This creature is the completion of a cycle. Its role in the cosmic order was preordained when the stars were young. Behold the culmination of your history." -Samir Duran, on the Hybrid
ibo422
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium2844 Posts
April 29 2012 01:17 GMT
#650
On April 29 2012 10:16 KimJongChill wrote:
hmmm, any idea why mc went for a 7 gate blink with only 2 gas and more zealots?

Thats what I'm wondering too.. maybe he smelt more lings?
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
April 29 2012 01:17 GMT
#651
On April 29 2012 10:13 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:12 ZenithM wrote:
On April 29 2012 10:10 IMNasty wrote:
On April 29 2012 10:02 mrtomjones wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:59 IMNasty wrote:
SPOILERS

1) Why would you post this at all whether or not it is true.
2)Why post it especially if it is true? What does it do for you -_-


got it from stephano's bnet page, blame IPL for not using cloaked maps. and its for people who want to know results but dont have time to watch

Lol you need to be banned too. Why wouldn't those people be able to fucking WAIT for the results after it's been broadcasted?

This guy post spoilers in every thread. He really want to be agreeable to people who can't watch live but can read the LR thread live to know the end results I guess.


It's still dumb. In a LR thread we follow what's going on, when it's done you just have to click results in the OP. It's like 3am, I wasn't being careful, saw a spoiler tag, clicked it by reflex, got spoiled. Even though it's my fault, I still believe this had nothing to do here.
People in a LR thread right when the match is going on are following the match, if they want end results : OP or Liquipedia are enough.

I won't blame him, but I'm still angry.
NoiR
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4492 Posts
April 29 2012 01:18 GMT
#652
Thanks for awaring me ^^
Cool feature.
hi. big fan.
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
April 29 2012 01:18 GMT
#653
On April 29 2012 10:14 Youtakenocandle wrote:
Yeah this is IGN's fault really. There are always lonely douchebags like this guy trying to ruin fun of others.


No this is not IGN's fault....it is the fault of the guy who posted all of the results. IGN could have taken steps to try and stop it, but them not doing it in no way makes it their fault..
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
April 29 2012 01:18 GMT
#654
That was a Colloldead.
NoiR
FlyingTurtle
Profile Joined February 2012
United States248 Posts
April 29 2012 01:19 GMT
#655
What was MC thinking? Colossi on 2base against a super roach push?...
"This creature is the completion of a cycle. Its role in the cosmic order was preordained when the stars were young. Behold the culmination of your history." -Samir Duran, on the Hybrid
EleanorRIgby
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada3923 Posts
April 29 2012 01:19 GMT
#656
damn that zerg macro
savior did nothing wrong
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
April 29 2012 01:19 GMT
#657
lol IGN stream just kernel panicked my mac for the first time ever
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hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
April 29 2012 01:19 GMT
#658
a bit greedy with the aggression MC.. just expand and retreat, the flank was really nice though.
Siffer
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States467 Posts
April 29 2012 01:19 GMT
#659
Dat macro.. googogogo stephano!
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
April 29 2012 01:19 GMT
#660
man, this series is ruined for me because of those jerks who spoiled it
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
April 29 2012 01:19 GMT
#661
I think organizers should release the replays when results are leaked (and they always have a part of responsibility) to compensate us. I mean I'm essentially watching for only learning and strategic value now, I might as well open the replays if I only want that :D
Youtakenocandle
Profile Joined February 2012
543 Posts
April 29 2012 01:20 GMT
#662
On April 29 2012 10:18 Chewbacca. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:14 Youtakenocandle wrote:
Yeah this is IGN's fault really. There are always lonely douchebags like this guy trying to ruin fun of others.


No this is not IGN's fault....it is the fault of the guy who posted all of the results. IGN could have taken steps to try and stop it, but them not doing it in no way makes it their fault..


It does make it their fault. This planet is sadly filled with many many challenged people like this kid. Hope they learn from it.
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
April 29 2012 01:20 GMT
#663
On April 29 2012 10:19 FlyingTurtle wrote:
What was MC thinking? Colossi on 2base against a super roach push?...


Nothing else he could really do at that point.
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
ItchyLegs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada369 Posts
April 29 2012 01:20 GMT
#664
not spoiled for me i just avert my eyes
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
April 29 2012 01:21 GMT
#665
It feels for me that MC dont want to play lategame vs Stephano so Stephano´s job should be to try to get to late game
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
April 29 2012 01:21 GMT
#666
On April 29 2012 10:20 blooblooblahblah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:19 FlyingTurtle wrote:
What was MC thinking? Colossi on 2base against a super roach push?...


Nothing else he could really do at that point.

immortals instead of rushing collossus?
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Jisall
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2054 Posts
April 29 2012 01:21 GMT
#667
On April 29 2012 09:57 Porcelina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:54 Jisall wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:53 Heinsenzerg wrote:
how can anyone hate on stephano....


Because he's french..
No good reasons to hate on him, real nice guy.
(the french comment was a joke btw)


Wait hang on. Is the 'Because he's french' a joke because it is preposterous to hate on someone because they are for a certain country? Or is it a joke because he is widely accepted to be American?

Inquiring minds want to know.


I would go with the people hating on him because he's from france.

Have you seen the interview of Stephano when he says fuck Team USA (drunk and jokingly of course)
Monk: Because being a badass is more fun then playing a dude wearing a scarf.. ... Ite fuck it, Witch Doctor cuz I like killing stuff in a timely mannor.
Belha
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy2850 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 01:22:52
April 29 2012 01:21 GMT
#668
On April 29 2012 10:17 ibo422 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:16 KimJongChill wrote:
hmmm, any idea why mc went for a 7 gate blink with only 2 gas and more zealots?

Thats what I'm wondering too.. maybe he smelt more lings?


That was to trick Z scout. An ovy can see P nat gases on Daybreak, so any gases will mean tech push.
Chicken gank op
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
April 29 2012 01:21 GMT
#669
eh, time to wash my car and do other mundane things now that its gotten all boring from spoilers D:

though i'll leave it on to support e-sports ^.^
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
April 29 2012 01:22 GMT
#670
Hahaha, I love how those 2 players speak in the begining of each game, really sport and "fair play" I mean, that's the kind of thing you can still enjoy, even if you got spoiled the fuck out of you
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
April 29 2012 01:23 GMT
#671
Ahahahah

MC : "TT, 3 0 stalkers losing to roaches"
St : "yeah, but stephano roaches"
MC : "I need MC sentries"
St : ":D imba"
NoiR
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
April 29 2012 01:23 GMT
#672
On April 29 2012 10:19 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
man, this series is ruined for me because of those jerks who spoiled it


I've just learned that Spoilers Gonna Spoil, and if it's a match that I absolutely cannot stand being spoiled ahead of time for, I won't even bother opening up the LR thread or the stream chat.

It sucks but it's come down to that -____- Some people are douchebags.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
April 29 2012 01:23 GMT
#673
Wait lol suddenly I remember the score but completely forgot who won. Wtf genius timing to have a selective memory. Time to enjoy the cast again :D:D
Youtakenocandle
Profile Joined February 2012
543 Posts
April 29 2012 01:23 GMT
#674
I'd like to thank the spoiler douche though, it's late in Europe. Sleep is probably better.
Jisall
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2054 Posts
April 29 2012 01:24 GMT
#675
On April 29 2012 10:09 NrGmonk wrote:
Holy shit, don't quote spoilers if you know they're going to be nuked.


What's up with all the nukes?

It's like people think they are pissing people off by doing it. Fail trolls all over.
Monk: Because being a badass is more fun then playing a dude wearing a scarf.. ... Ite fuck it, Witch Doctor cuz I like killing stuff in a timely mannor.
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 01:25:25
April 29 2012 01:24 GMT
#676
People hate Stephano becuase he makes other pro players look dumb. When people are fan of someone ofcourse they dont like that. Thats a feeling I got.

Also when he first arived people didnt like that some new commer just came and won a big tournament.
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
chosenkerrigan
Profile Joined May 2011
858 Posts
April 29 2012 01:24 GMT
#677
On April 29 2012 10:23 ZenithM wrote:
Wait lol suddenly I remember the score but completely forgot who won. Wtf genius timing to have a selective memory. Time to enjoy the cast again :D:D


Man you forgot it?? I'm gonna tell you right now!

jk jk
chosenkerrigan
Profile Joined May 2011
858 Posts
April 29 2012 01:25 GMT
#678
On April 29 2012 10:24 Benjamin99 wrote:
People hate Stephano becuase he makes other pro players look dumb. When people are fan of someone ofcourse they dont like that. Thats a feeling I got.

Also when he first arived people didnt like that some new commer just came and won a big tournament.


Not a lot of people hate Stephano. Most people hate the way Stephano's fanboys say things.
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
April 29 2012 01:26 GMT
#679
Nani? Innovative? He's been the most standard protoss ever lol. Not calling him bad, so please don't flame me, he's just not too much of an innovator.
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
April 29 2012 01:26 GMT
#680
On April 29 2012 10:24 Benjamin99 wrote:
People hate Stephano becuase he makes other pro players look dumb. When people are fan of someone ofcourse they dont like that. Thats a feeling I got.

Also when he first arived people didnt like that some new commer just came and won a big tournament.


No people don't like Stephano because his fanboys *cough cough* are annoying as hell. We already went over this, I don't see why you are bringing it up again.
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 01:27:07
April 29 2012 01:26 GMT
#681
MC going air agression after FFE. Good decision 'cause this is really what works best against Stephano.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
April 29 2012 01:28 GMT
#682
Got queens?

+ Show Spoiler +
Not anymore.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
April 29 2012 01:29 GMT
#683
Double spire after he saw phoenixes... Stephano making an interesting tech decision right here.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
April 29 2012 01:29 GMT
#684
Stephano seems very confident now when he goes for spire he is having fun
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
April 29 2012 01:30 GMT
#685
MC likes getting carriers on this map doesn't he?
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11047 Posts
April 29 2012 01:30 GMT
#686
MC dead
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
April 29 2012 01:30 GMT
#687
On April 29 2012 10:29 Benjamin99 wrote:
Stephano seems very confident now when he goes for spire he is having fun


It's the classic +2spire +4hatchery transition. Duh. Easy.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11047 Posts
April 29 2012 01:32 GMT
#688
On April 29 2012 10:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Double spire after he saw phoenixes... Stephano making an interesting tech decision right here.



How? I always thought that was a mind issue more than anything else. Phoenixes are a bit overrated. genius handled them geniusly
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
April 29 2012 01:32 GMT
#689
Stephano makes 4 hatcheries and 2 spires at the same time, on 90 drones and no combat unit...And MC doesn't attack. Now Stephano is 30 supply up lol
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
April 29 2012 01:32 GMT
#690
lord.

it's pronounced AN - ION

not ann ee un
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
April 29 2012 01:32 GMT
#691
--- Nuked ---
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
April 29 2012 01:32 GMT
#692
Hahahaha that reminded me of a classic:

DOUBLE SUN POWEEEERRRRR!!!!!!
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
April 29 2012 01:32 GMT
#693
Casters seem like half a second ahead of the video to anyone else?
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Supah
Profile Joined August 2010
708 Posts
April 29 2012 01:33 GMT
#694
On April 29 2012 10:32 Lasbike wrote:
Stephano makes 4 hatcheries and 2 spires at the same time, on 90 drones and no combat unit...And MC doesn't attack. Now Stephano is 30 supply up lol


aka Protoss taking a third
templar rage
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2509 Posts
April 29 2012 01:33 GMT
#695
On April 29 2012 10:32 Sabu113 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Double spire after he saw phoenixes... Stephano making an interesting tech decision right here.



How? I always thought that was a mind issue more than anything else. Phoenixes are a bit overrated. genius handled them geniusly


Pretty much. I remember when Nony asked him about a game vs White-ra (maybe the SxSW showmatch?) where White-ra went phoenixes, and he said he basically felt like he won at that point.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
April 29 2012 01:33 GMT
#696
Lol.
Zerg: "Got an upgrade to deal with mass mutalisks who one shot everything? Well I'll just one shot the building before completion ^_^"
Protoss: "T.T"
Amornthep
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore2605 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 01:33:56
April 29 2012 01:33 GMT
#697
That was annoying really.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
April 29 2012 01:33 GMT
#698
When you see the phoenixes killing a mid map overlord and you know MC has 3+ colossus, go in the main kill the colossus please
B1nary
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada1267 Posts
April 29 2012 01:33 GMT
#699
Isn't it pronounced "an-eye-on" pulse crystals?
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
April 29 2012 01:34 GMT
#700
Stephano is ahead in every way but sticking on muta tech is bad.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
April 29 2012 01:34 GMT
#701
On April 29 2012 10:32 Sabu113 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Double spire after he saw phoenixes... Stephano making an interesting tech decision right here.



How? I always thought that was a mind issue more than anything else. Phoenixes are a bit overrated. genius handled them geniusly


But now with the anion pulse-crystals!!! Just kidding.

But we'll see.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
April 29 2012 01:34 GMT
#702
ouch stephano taking a lot of losses there on mutas... and then mc loses most of his phoneix
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11047 Posts
April 29 2012 01:34 GMT
#703
Lololol

Saw that a mile away
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
Wunder
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2950 Posts
April 29 2012 01:34 GMT
#704
WOW nice infestors
Writer@joonjoewong
templar rage
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2509 Posts
April 29 2012 01:34 GMT
#705
And that was why Stephano said he felt like he won vs White-ra. Phoenixes + FG = sad phoenix
Supah
Profile Joined August 2010
708 Posts
April 29 2012 01:35 GMT
#706
Ultra switch would have actually been pretty crazy
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11047 Posts
April 29 2012 01:36 GMT
#707
alright then.

nice job mc
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
April 29 2012 01:36 GMT
#708
Stephano is dead.
ypslala
Profile Joined April 2011
Burma545 Posts
April 29 2012 01:36 GMT
#709
i was away for a minute where are the phoenix?
best SC2 game of aaaaaaall time: vibe vs avilo (don't miss the end!!): https://youtu.be/mygH92WzKV4
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
April 29 2012 01:36 GMT
#710
On April 29 2012 10:36 ypslala wrote:
i was away for a minute where are the phoenix?

They were killed by Mutas + Fungal by it doesn't really matters cause MC has a shitload of stalkers.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
April 29 2012 01:37 GMT
#711
Not very good play by Stephano. A lot of wasted opportunities, a lot of bad rally points.
WiljushkA
Profile Joined March 2006
Serbia1416 Posts
April 29 2012 01:37 GMT
#712
never seen stephano execute a gameplan so badly
and the idea was actually pretty decent.
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Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 01:38:36
April 29 2012 01:37 GMT
#713
Stephano's muta play has a lot of flaws. When you go mutas you have to have a transition, and you have to do damage to the opponent's economy. He tried to engage MC full on with muta ling and that just doesn't work.
Lennient
Profile Joined January 2012
497 Posts
April 29 2012 01:37 GMT
#714
i thought muta play was supposed to base race with the protoss nice try tho Stephano
iwearcapes
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
France157 Posts
April 29 2012 01:38 GMT
#715
replays......... why cant this be live. it would be alot more awesome.. QQ
Belha
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy2850 Posts
April 29 2012 01:38 GMT
#716
On April 29 2012 10:37 Lennient wrote:
i thought muta play was supposed to base race with the protoss nice try tho Stephano

All the action before mutas won the game for MC.
Chicken gank op
Veclada
Profile Joined September 2010
742 Posts
April 29 2012 01:39 GMT
#717
When stephano doesnt play mass roach, he loses. Protoss players should just go some stargate play or just 3-4gate him and win
asdfg
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
April 29 2012 01:39 GMT
#718
Oh noes. Artosis pylon led Stephano to doom.
Someone call down the Thunder?
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
April 29 2012 01:39 GMT
#719
On April 29 2012 10:38 iwearcapes wrote:
replays......... why cant this be live. it would be alot more awesome.. QQ


As the viewer, what's the difference to you?
Moderatorhttp://carbonleaf.yuku.com/topic/408/t/So-I-proposed-at-a-Carbon-Leaf-concert.html ***** RIP Geoff
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
April 29 2012 01:39 GMT
#720
I think Stephano went for this build cause MC's initial attack did too much damage, so stephano probably thought "i'm gonna make a super greedy build with +4 hatchs +2 spires and if it holds, well good for me"
Mithridates
Profile Joined June 2011
United States446 Posts
April 29 2012 01:39 GMT
#721
On April 29 2012 10:32 Lasbike wrote:
Stephano makes 4 hatcheries and 2 spires at the same time, on 90 drones and no combat unit...And MC doesn't attack. Now Stephano is 30 supply up lol

He also made 9 overlords during that. Now thats what I call macro
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
April 29 2012 01:39 GMT
#722
Stephano was hoping that MC would go all nutz with airunits and then counter them with infestors. But MC smart he made a bunch of blink stalkers instead. I dont think the muta build would work vs a player like MC
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
April 29 2012 01:40 GMT
#723
MC played well, but I think that victory was more of Stephano's fault. He didn't do much damage with mutas, and ended up suiciding too many. Plus, he hardly had any spine crawlers, so he couldn't even base trade.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
April 29 2012 01:40 GMT
#724
This just isnt fun to watch anymore because of spoilers T_T
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
April 29 2012 01:40 GMT
#725
On April 29 2012 10:39 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:38 iwearcapes wrote:
replays......... why cant this be live. it would be alot more awesome.. QQ


As the viewer, what's the difference to you?

As a viewer, not much difference.

As a viewer who also reads LR thread (filled with dumbass who spoil), it makes a lot of difference.
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
April 29 2012 01:40 GMT
#726
On April 29 2012 10:39 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:38 iwearcapes wrote:
replays......... why cant this be live. it would be alot more awesome.. QQ


As the viewer, what's the difference to you?


theres just something about games being casted live that make them a lot more exciting... maybe I'm the only one that thinks this way though
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iwearcapes
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
France157 Posts
April 29 2012 01:41 GMT
#727
On April 29 2012 10:39 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:38 iwearcapes wrote:
replays......... why cant this be live. it would be alot more awesome.. QQ


As the viewer, what's the difference to you?


something thats already predetermined freaks me out a little
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
April 29 2012 01:41 GMT
#728
On April 29 2012 10:40 GenesisX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:39 EvilTeletubby wrote:
On April 29 2012 10:38 iwearcapes wrote:
replays......... why cant this be live. it would be alot more awesome.. QQ


As the viewer, what's the difference to you?


theres just something about games being casted live that make them a lot more exciting... maybe I'm the only one that thinks this way though

No the majority of people thinks like that.
Off-season = best season
Equity213
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada873 Posts
April 29 2012 01:41 GMT
#729
On April 29 2012 10:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Double spire after he saw phoenixes... Stephano making an interesting tech decision right here.


Stephano figured that MC would figure that Stephano would go hydra to deal with the air harass, and that MC would go colossus to counter it: so Stephano went muta to counter that.

Or at least thats how I interpeted it...
jianming
Profile Joined November 2011
149 Posts
April 29 2012 01:42 GMT
#730
On April 29 2012 10:40 GenesisX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:39 EvilTeletubby wrote:
On April 29 2012 10:38 iwearcapes wrote:
replays......... why cant this be live. it would be alot more awesome.. QQ


As the viewer, what's the difference to you?


theres just something about games being casted live that make them a lot more exciting... maybe I'm the only one that thinks this way though


I feel the same, but it really isn't much of an issue. I do think that they should start giving the date the games were played though. It's frustrating when you don't know if they were played a day ago, a week ago, or a month ago.
maracuja123
Profile Joined February 2012
Brazil419 Posts
April 29 2012 01:42 GMT
#731
On April 29 2012 10:40 GenesisX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:39 EvilTeletubby wrote:
On April 29 2012 10:38 iwearcapes wrote:
replays......... why cant this be live. it would be alot more awesome.. QQ


As the viewer, what's the difference to you?


theres just something about games being casted live that make them a lot more exciting... maybe I'm the only one that thinks this way though

haha i feel the exactly same way man

not only you ^^
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
April 29 2012 01:43 GMT
#732
On April 29 2012 10:40 GenesisX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:39 EvilTeletubby wrote:
On April 29 2012 10:38 iwearcapes wrote:
replays......... why cant this be live. it would be alot more awesome.. QQ


As the viewer, what's the difference to you?


theres just something about games being casted live that make them a lot more exciting... maybe I'm the only one that thinks this way though

I feel the same way.. usually when I watch games off replays (even if casted live) or VODs I surf websites, chat with people, etc. But when I watch live BW, MLGs or GSL finals I just HAVE to watch!!.. There's something special about watching something that's FUCKING LIVE!
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
April 29 2012 01:43 GMT
#733
On April 29 2012 10:39 Benjamin99 wrote:
Stephano was hoping that MC would go all nutz with airunits and then counter them with infestors. But MC smart he made a bunch of blink stalkers instead. I dont think the muta build would work vs a player like MC


Infestors would have been the best choice in my opinion. It would have stopped both the air units and the blink stalkers.
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
April 29 2012 01:43 GMT
#734
two cannons?!
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-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
April 29 2012 01:43 GMT
#735
can anyone explain the two cannnons?
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
April 29 2012 01:43 GMT
#736
Why patrol your probe if you are hiding it behind the minerals? I guess he wasn't really trying to hide it if he was patrolling it, because if anything that just gives your opponent a better chance of seeing it.
Belha
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy2850 Posts
April 29 2012 01:44 GMT
#737
I was just looking the tv; why MC did 2 cannons???
Chicken gank op
JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2517 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 01:45:23
April 29 2012 01:44 GMT
#738
On April 29 2012 10:40 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
This just isnt fun to watch anymore because of spoilers T_T


Well at first I thought that too, and there is no doubt that the spoiler was stupid. But despite of that I also think that the "quality" of the games declined. Game one was awesome, game two was pretty cool but then... the games are good & entertaining but not that epic as I expected them to be after game one.
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
April 29 2012 01:44 GMT
#739
Woaaaaaaaa Stephano canceling his third and going baneling !!
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
April 29 2012 01:45 GMT
#740
LOL my cat make me mad
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Belha
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy2850 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 01:45:54
April 29 2012 01:45 GMT
#741
On April 29 2012 10:41 Equity213 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Double spire after he saw phoenixes... Stephano making an interesting tech decision right here.


Stephano figured that MC would figure that Stephano would go hydra to deal with the air harass, and that MC would go colossus to counter it: so Stephano went muta to counter that.

Or at least thats how I interpeted it...


No. At very top level, no pro z counter P air with hydras. That's well know by both MC and Stephano.
Chicken gank op
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
April 29 2012 01:45 GMT
#742
MC confirmed for owning a cat!
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
April 29 2012 01:46 GMT
#743
I hope Stephano will try to cheese at least once, even tho at 3-3 it's probably too late. I think one of his weakness is always going for the macro game, so basically it's the opponent who will adapt and Ste will always be on the receiving end.
And as I type that I see banelings xD
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
April 29 2012 01:46 GMT
#744
stephano blundered that big time.....didn't even get the main nexus.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2517 Posts
April 29 2012 01:47 GMT
#745
Stephano y u not kill nexus?!
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
April 29 2012 01:47 GMT
#746
Ugh, that was a great bait by MC. Stephano had to take out the nexus to be even, now he's way behind.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
April 29 2012 01:47 GMT
#747
On April 29 2012 10:41 Equity213 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Double spire after he saw phoenixes... Stephano making an interesting tech decision right here.


Stephano figured that MC would figure that Stephano would go hydra to deal with the air harass, and that MC would go colossus to counter it: so Stephano went muta to counter that.

Or at least thats how I interpeted it...


Ah gotcha

Uh... Stephano's baneling bust did like... no damage? o.O Considering how many lings and blings were in MC's base...
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
April 29 2012 01:47 GMT
#748
On April 29 2012 10:45 KimJongChill wrote:
MC confirmed for owning a cat!


You need to watch more Hot Bid interviews.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
April 29 2012 01:47 GMT
#749
On April 29 2012 10:46 Tachion wrote:
stephano blundered that big time.....didn't even get the main nexus.

Yeah why did he go down to the nat again with his lings?
Dunno what that was about.
Off-season = best season
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
April 29 2012 01:47 GMT
#750
That attack would have worked on most protoss.. But not with MC :D
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
April 29 2012 01:48 GMT
#751
On April 29 2012 10:47 Chicane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:45 KimJongChill wrote:
MC confirmed for owning a cat!


You need to watch more Hot Bid interviews.


well confirmed for making him mad then haha! it's so cute~
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2517 Posts
April 29 2012 01:49 GMT
#752
On April 29 2012 10:47 Lasbike wrote:
That attack would have worked on most protoss.. But not with MC :D


Not it was not MC playing so well it was Stephano attacking the natural with his last lings instead of killing the main.
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
April 29 2012 01:49 GMT
#753
Waw, if you're a probe working for MC, you don't wanna make a mistake, like, say..Trap yourself.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 01:51:34
April 29 2012 01:51 GMT
#754
Stephano is not very practiced with these new builds he's showing and I think that's the problem. Winning a few games vs. Mana and Bling is one thing, using it against MC, who's played a thousand games vs. Zerg cheese, is another.
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
April 29 2012 01:51 GMT
#755
On April 29 2012 10:45 KimJongChill wrote:
MC confirmed for owning a cat!


If you watched his stream you could see his girlfriend torturing (not literally of course, but close...) the cat on webcam. >_>

Quite hilarious to see.
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
April 29 2012 01:51 GMT
#756
On April 29 2012 10:49 JoeCool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:47 Lasbike wrote:
That attack would have worked on most protoss.. But not with MC :D


Not it was not MC playing so well it was Stephano attacking the natural with his last lings instead of killing the main.


lol man don't overhype him. Stephano's attack DID work on MC. It was just stephano's wrong choice of not killing MC's nexus which is why MC was able to stabilize.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
April 29 2012 01:52 GMT
#757
WTF MC
Rhaegar_tar
Profile Joined February 2012
France847 Posts
April 29 2012 01:52 GMT
#758
Why is Stephano trying out weird builds?
His roach strat has been proven to be effective against MC...-_-
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 01:52:45
April 29 2012 01:52 GMT
#759
mc threw the game ;_;

EDIT: OMFG 3K!!!!!!!!
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Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
April 29 2012 01:52 GMT
#760
MC maxing on 2 bases???



I like.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
April 29 2012 01:52 GMT
#761
Wow MC... you even realized the collosi were out ahead, but then thought it was worth attacking the ling on the tower?
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
April 29 2012 01:52 GMT
#762
ughhh MC x.x
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
April 29 2012 01:52 GMT
#763
Ohhh, big blunder by MC, losing two colossi like that.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Amornthep
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore2605 Posts
April 29 2012 01:53 GMT
#764
Despite losing those 2 colossus, MC's forcefields allowed him to cruised through.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
April 29 2012 01:54 GMT
#765
So happy that MC still took the game after Stephano's failed baneling bust.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
April 29 2012 01:54 GMT
#766
They should show the kills on that boss immortal
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11047 Posts
April 29 2012 01:54 GMT
#767
Thought Stephano could have gotten 1 nexus earlier on.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
April 29 2012 01:55 GMT
#768
And he wins anyway, wow.
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
April 29 2012 01:55 GMT
#769
On April 29 2012 10:54 Sabu113 wrote:
Thought Stephano could have gotten 1 nexus earlier on.

yeah could have done so much more with that break
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
April 29 2012 01:55 GMT
#770
MC 4 - 3 Stephano.

Possibly last game..
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
April 29 2012 01:55 GMT
#771
This looked actually quite close... I was really seeing Stephano win the fight in the middle, that looked even but MC had so much left at the end 0o
NoiR
Rulker
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1477 Posts
April 29 2012 01:55 GMT
#772
On April 29 2012 10:55 Dodgin wrote:
And he wins anyway, wow.

yes

even if people think the 200 roach max at 12 is imba, max roach vs max toss is total shit
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
April 29 2012 01:55 GMT
#773
Had Stephano gotten the nexus I think he takes the game, but doing little damage with a massive baneling bust is not recoverable.
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
April 29 2012 01:56 GMT
#774
MC doesn't need Colossi. He donated those two Colossi just to make things fair.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
April 29 2012 01:56 GMT
#775
Stephano should have just focused down the Nexus after his baneling bust
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
weiliem
Profile Joined January 2008
2070 Posts
April 29 2012 01:56 GMT
#776
Y engage off creep when ur roach dont even have speed?? T.T
Oppa feeding style
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
April 29 2012 01:57 GMT
#777
Once again, I feel that it was more of Stephano's blunder for not winning that game. He could have destroyed the Nexus to be ahead, but he instead took the bait and threw the game away.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
April 29 2012 01:57 GMT
#778
Just kill the freaking Nexus instead of running into cannons ~_~
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
April 29 2012 01:57 GMT
#779
On April 29 2012 10:57 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Once again, I feel that it was more of Stephano's blunder for not winning that game. He could have destroyed the Nexus to be ahead, but he instead took the bait and threw the game away.


Please explain the "bait" that stephano took.
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
April 29 2012 01:57 GMT
#780
On April 29 2012 10:40 Lasbike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:39 EvilTeletubby wrote:
On April 29 2012 10:38 iwearcapes wrote:
replays......... why cant this be live. it would be alot more awesome.. QQ


As the viewer, what's the difference to you?

As a viewer, not much difference.

As a viewer who also reads LR thread (filled with dumbass who spoil), it makes a lot of difference.


Fair enough, I'm just getting here so I missed that idiot from earlier that posted it all over the place. :-\
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Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 01:58:51
April 29 2012 01:58 GMT
#781
On April 29 2012 10:55 Rulker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:55 Dodgin wrote:
And he wins anyway, wow.

yes

even if people think the 200 roach max at 12 is imba, max roach vs max toss is total shit

nvm misread
Off-season = best season
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
April 29 2012 01:59 GMT
#782
On April 29 2012 10:57 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:57 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Once again, I feel that it was more of Stephano's blunder for not winning that game. He could have destroyed the Nexus to be ahead, but he instead took the bait and threw the game away.


Please explain the "bait" that stephano took.


MC brought his probes back up to the main and the lings and blings followed them down into the cannons (as Stephano thought he could catch the probes), rather than staying up in the main and killing off the nexus.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Stanlot
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5742 Posts
April 29 2012 01:59 GMT
#783
lol IrOn man
MC: "Sentry Forcefield Forcefield Marauder... cage Marauder die die"
NipponBanzai
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada518 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 01:59:44
April 29 2012 01:59 GMT
#784
Edit: Nvm
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
April 29 2012 02:00 GMT
#785
On April 29 2012 10:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 10:57 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On April 29 2012 10:57 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Once again, I feel that it was more of Stephano's blunder for not winning that game. He could have destroyed the Nexus to be ahead, but he instead took the bait and threw the game away.


Please explain the "bait" that stephano took.


MC brought his probes back up to the main and the lings and blings followed them down into the cannons (as Stephano thought he could catch the probes), rather than staying up in the main and killing off the nexus.


Gotcha! thanks
chosenkerrigan
Profile Joined May 2011
858 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 02:01:57
April 29 2012 02:00 GMT
#786
Edit:nvm
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
April 29 2012 02:01 GMT
#787
On April 29 2012 11:00 chosenkerrigan wrote:
Cute that everyone just assumes stephano would get the nexus with those a few lings..coz you know..mc had zealots and stalkers and sentries...that was not a whole lot of lings and mc could always go back to the main and save the nexus


Sentry and Zealot singular.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
April 29 2012 02:01 GMT
#788
On April 29 2012 11:00 chosenkerrigan wrote:
Cute that everyone just assumes stephano would get the nexus with those a few lings..coz you know..mc had zealots and stalkers and sentries...that was not a whole lot of lings and mc could always go back to the main and save the nexus


He had about 3 banelings in MC's main too.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
April 29 2012 02:03 GMT
#789
On April 29 2012 11:01 Gamegene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 11:00 chosenkerrigan wrote:
Cute that everyone just assumes stephano would get the nexus with those a few lings..coz you know..mc had zealots and stalkers and sentries...that was not a whole lot of lings and mc could always go back to the main and save the nexus


Sentry and Zealot singular.


You beat me to it
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
April 29 2012 02:06 GMT
#790
lol MC actually trying now

j/k
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Ranir
Profile Joined June 2011
413 Posts
April 29 2012 02:06 GMT
#791
ITS A TRAP

SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
April 29 2012 02:07 GMT
#792
counter attack time and stephano is dead lol
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
April 29 2012 02:07 GMT
#793
stehpano floating 1700 minerals @@
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Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
April 29 2012 02:09 GMT
#794
LOL UNMARKED VAN
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
April 29 2012 02:10 GMT
#795
GG Stephano!
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Ranir
Profile Joined June 2011
413 Posts
April 29 2012 02:10 GMT
#796
stephano shouldnt have pushed imo in the front, only the ling counter and back off after
Sc2Null
Profile Joined April 2011
United States3754 Posts
April 29 2012 02:10 GMT
#797
dat deathball
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ibo422
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium2844 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 02:11:21
April 29 2012 02:11 GMT
#798
The army looked so small under the 2 collosus.. I thought he was gonna lose :D:D
M[o]
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada135 Posts
April 29 2012 02:11 GMT
#799
mc's pvz is best in world
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
April 29 2012 02:11 GMT
#800
5-3 MC showing- for the millionth time- that he's the better player.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
heha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia425 Posts
April 29 2012 02:11 GMT
#801
MIn CHULLLLL
Random for life! phoneheha
Empirimancer
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada1024 Posts
April 29 2012 02:11 GMT
#802
The last two games were bad.

PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
April 29 2012 02:11 GMT
#803
YESSS Polt vs MC next Fight Club.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
April 29 2012 02:12 GMT
#804
18000 viewers for fight club. A new record?
Rulker
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1477 Posts
April 29 2012 02:12 GMT
#805
On April 29 2012 11:11 M[o] wrote:
mc's pvz is best in world

Yup yup, with PvT only behind a few like Parting/oz/creator and maybe some other tip top code s, and pvp really strong, not the best, but strong.

Very good player..
chosenkerrigan
Profile Joined May 2011
858 Posts
April 29 2012 02:12 GMT
#806
On April 29 2012 11:11 M[o] wrote:
mc's pvz is best in world


I'd put squirtle above him..
below66
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1761 Posts
April 29 2012 02:12 GMT
#807
dam MC is f'ing good. GG's by stephano also.
Amornthep
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore2605 Posts
April 29 2012 02:12 GMT
#808
Stephano did well in killing off the 3rd twice and all but he never really damaged MC's army enough and lost too much units.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
April 29 2012 02:12 GMT
#809
Stephano's weakness is star gate play :D
Nitro68
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
France470 Posts
April 29 2012 02:12 GMT
#810
GG to both players It was fun to watch.
Rulker
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1477 Posts
April 29 2012 02:12 GMT
#811
On April 29 2012 11:11 Empirimancer wrote:
The last two games were bad.


No the last game was good imo
Lennient
Profile Joined January 2012
497 Posts
April 29 2012 02:14 GMT
#812
that was why DRG went for mutas on this map and base raced with Genius, it was really hard to fight the protoss army head-on.
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 02:14:42
April 29 2012 02:14 GMT
#813
Great series! So happy MC won! He may have died to the roach push in 2 of those games, but glad to see MC adapted to put a stop to it. Stephano seemed confused on what to do once his 12 min roach push build is stopped.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
Billd
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada210 Posts
April 29 2012 02:15 GMT
#814
Good games. Stephano proving he can dance with Code S Protoss. Makes me excited for hos trip to Korea. MC proving his PvZ is still sick. GGs!
@BilldSC I tweet about all things Starcraft 2!
Belha
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy2850 Posts
April 29 2012 02:15 GMT
#815
On April 29 2012 11:12 Rulker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 11:11 Empirimancer wrote:
The last two games were bad.


No the last game was good imo

Yeah, last game was pretty good.
Chicken gank op
Siffer
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States467 Posts
April 29 2012 02:15 GMT
#816
I think stephano could have won the baneling bust game if he took out the nexus in the main instead of running to the natural.

Last game was rough.. stephano had some nice run-bys, however MCs army was just too strong at the final push.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
April 29 2012 02:15 GMT
#817
On April 29 2012 11:14 Canucklehead wrote:
Great series! So happy MC won! He may have died to the roach push in 2 of those games, but glad to see MC adapted to put a stop to it. Stephano seemed confused on what to do once his 12 min roach push build is stopped.


He won Game 1 with a late game composition. The other games he wasn't able to transition because MC was in his face with 2 base pressure and star gate play.
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
April 29 2012 02:16 GMT
#818
Well played by MC to take that series.

That last game was pretty close, MC needed to win with that attack as he was back down to 2 base vs 4 with lots of dead probes. If Stephano had remained behind his spine-wall instead of rushing forward to engage the Protoss army he might have held that as more reinforcements joined his own force. Entertaining matches.

Obviously the suspense was ruined by that stupid f@cker with his multiple spoilers and the retards quoting him.
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
April 29 2012 02:16 GMT
#819
Props to Stephano, didn't think he would do that well, and grats to MC!
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Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
April 29 2012 02:16 GMT
#820
I think MC basically showed 2 basing is still the best way to play PvZ.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
hyperdemented
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria372 Posts
April 29 2012 02:16 GMT
#821
entertaining games overall, showcasing nice builds from bosstoss and proving stephano is definately capable of competing with code s protoss
sad it had to get spoiled, but oh well, hoping for cloaked maps in the future
chosenkerrigan
Profile Joined May 2011
858 Posts
April 29 2012 02:17 GMT
#822
On April 29 2012 09:30 obesemk wrote:
Stephano showing he is the better player.


You're definitely right sir.
DuB phool
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1003 Posts
April 29 2012 02:17 GMT
#823
Very well done by both players, those were fun to watch. SO close...
Gogo MC! :D

And thank you, IPL.
"overwatch is jesus" - motbob 2016
Rulker
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1477 Posts
April 29 2012 02:17 GMT
#824
On April 29 2012 11:12 chosenkerrigan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 11:11 M[o] wrote:
mc's pvz is best in world


I'd put squirtle above him..

i dont think many others would

anyway they are close
MC 76 % win rate pvz this year (100 % winrate in GSL

Squirtle 71 % pvz this year (88% win rate in gsl)
Rulker
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1477 Posts
April 29 2012 02:17 GMT
#825
On April 29 2012 11:17 chosenkerrigan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 09:30 obesemk wrote:
Stephano showing he is the better player.


You're definitely right sir.

yoiu dont need to be sarcastic, he was being sarcastic
Sroobz
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1377 Posts
April 29 2012 02:17 GMT
#826
On April 29 2012 11:14 Canucklehead wrote:
Great series! So happy MC won! He may have died to the roach push in 2 of those games, but glad to see MC adapted to put a stop to it. Stephano seemed confused on what to do once his 12 min roach push build is stopped.


Hope this is a joke lol Stephano's zvp after 12 min roach is still one of the best if not THE best
Flash---Taeja---Mvp---Byun---DRG
Let it Raine
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1245 Posts
April 29 2012 02:18 GMT
#827
i dont think mcs pvz is the best in the world

i just think his mechanics are super de duper good

his strategies and army positioning/decision making is a little wonky
Grandmaster Zerg x14. Diamond 1 LoL. MLG 50, Halo 3. Raine.
Rulker
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1477 Posts
April 29 2012 02:18 GMT
#828
On April 29 2012 11:15 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 11:14 Canucklehead wrote:
Great series! So happy MC won! He may have died to the roach push in 2 of those games, but glad to see MC adapted to put a stop to it. Stephano seemed confused on what to do once his 12 min roach push build is stopped.


He won Game 1 with a late game composition. The other games he wasn't able to transition because MC was in his face with 2 base pressure and star gate play.

which were stopping the 12 min roach push..
chosenkerrigan
Profile Joined May 2011
858 Posts
April 29 2012 02:18 GMT
#829
On April 29 2012 11:17 Rulker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 11:17 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:30 obesemk wrote:
Stephano showing he is the better player.


You're definitely right sir.

yoiu dont need to be sarcastic, he was being sarcastic


He posted it after game 1. I don't think he was.
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
April 29 2012 02:18 GMT
#830
On April 29 2012 11:11 M[o] wrote:
mc's pvz is best in world


Squirtle is better.
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
April 29 2012 02:19 GMT
#831
Good showcase, but far from perfect!

Congrats to MC, he won convincingly.

On the other hand, I can't wait to see Stephano after/during his stay in Korea. His play needs a bit of refinement.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
April 29 2012 02:20 GMT
#832
Nice games.
Looking forward to see more of that once Stephano is in Korea.
Off-season = best season
Hulavuta
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1252 Posts
April 29 2012 02:20 GMT
#833
Just want to say, I predicted MC 5-3 and I was right :DDDDD

I actually think MC's PvZ is better than Squirtle's...MC's only lost 2 series this entire year, against Violet and DRG.
Done with Team Liquid for a while. Don't expect to find me here.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
April 29 2012 02:20 GMT
#834
On April 29 2012 11:18 chosenkerrigan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 11:17 Rulker wrote:
On April 29 2012 11:17 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:30 obesemk wrote:
Stephano showing he is the better player.


You're definitely right sir.

yoiu dont need to be sarcastic, he was being sarcastic


He posted it after game 1. I don't think he was.


Agreed. He definitely was not being sarcastic, considering it was after Stephano won game one.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
illsick
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1770 Posts
April 29 2012 02:20 GMT
#835
On April 29 2012 11:16 Havik_ wrote:
I think MC basically showed 2 basing is still the best way to play PvZ.


he didn't 2base that often that series
you live and you learn
Rulker
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1477 Posts
April 29 2012 02:20 GMT
#836
On April 29 2012 11:18 chosenkerrigan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 11:17 Rulker wrote:
On April 29 2012 11:17 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On April 29 2012 09:30 obesemk wrote:
Stephano showing he is the better player.


You're definitely right sir.

yoiu dont need to be sarcastic, he was being sarcastic


He posted it after game 1. I don't think he was.

okok
Rulker
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1477 Posts
April 29 2012 02:21 GMT
#837
On April 29 2012 11:20 Hulavuta wrote:
Just want to say, I predicted MC 5-3 and I was right :DDDDD

I actually think MC's PvZ is better than Squirtle's...MC's only lost 2 series this entire year, against Violet and DRG.

and losira in KSL
Rulker
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1477 Posts
April 29 2012 02:22 GMT
#838
On April 29 2012 11:18 Hall0wed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 11:11 M[o] wrote:
mc's pvz is best in world


Squirtle is better.

MC pvz stats are slightly better this year, if it helps
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
April 29 2012 02:23 GMT
#839
Aw, would have much rather had a bo9 ZvT, especially with Stephano and Polt D;

PvT sucks so much ass in comparison. Oh well, good effort Stephano
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
April 29 2012 02:24 GMT
#840
On April 29 2012 11:16 Havik_ wrote:
I think MC basically showed 2 basing is still the best way to play PvZ.


Why do you say this? He won one game with a 1base 3gateway pressure, another game with 3bases and blink stalker vs. mass muta, and that last game off a fast three bases... and I don't even remember the other two wins offhand (at least, how many bases he had)... so the majority of MC's wins were not off two bases.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Rulker
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1477 Posts
April 29 2012 02:26 GMT
#841
On April 29 2012 11:23 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Aw, would have much rather had a bo9 ZvT, especially with Stephano and Polt D;

PvT sucks so much ass in comparison. Oh well, good effort Stephano

i disagree, many of my favorite series are PvT, which at best could be arguably the best matchup.

PartinG vs MKP
PartinG vs Anyone in GSL
Parting vs Polt
MC vs PuMa
Hero vs PuMa
Puzzle vs Alive
Brown vs Alive

Just to name a few. It s such a good matchup when played by people who know what they are doing, like Parting or Polt or MKP or etc
jnsjr
Profile Joined February 2011
United States461 Posts
April 29 2012 02:27 GMT
#842
Great set of games. I was hoping that Stephano would win, as I lean more towards Zerg. I must admit though that losing to MC after saying protoss needs a buff in the matchup is quite ironic and hilarious.
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Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 02:36:47
April 29 2012 02:33 GMT
#843
I think Stephano's biggest weakness is his weak muta play. That game he went mutas he had complete map control and was on six bases, but lost because he failed to transition, failed to slow down MC's economy, and failed to engage and base trade correctly. I know he hates mutas, but mutas and banelings are the missing piece of his ZvP.
furerkip
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States439 Posts
April 29 2012 02:34 GMT
#844
On April 29 2012 11:12 Rulker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 11:11 M[o] wrote:
mc's pvz is best in world

Yup yup, with PvT only behind a few like Parting/oz/creator and maybe some other tip top code s, and pvp really strong, not the best, but strong.

Very good player..


I'd more or less say his PvZ is one of the best, his PvT isn't actually that good, and his PvP is the same as his PvT.
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
April 29 2012 02:35 GMT
#845
On April 29 2012 11:20 Hulavuta wrote:
Just want to say, I predicted MC 5-3 and I was right :DDDDD

I actually think MC's PvZ is better than Squirtle's...MC's only lost 2 series this entire year, against Violet and DRG.


Pretty sure no Protoss in the world understands the late game nearly as good as Squirtle. Most people just haven't gotten to see this and won't get to see this until some zergs actually step it up in the GSL. =(
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
Rulker
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1477 Posts
April 29 2012 02:35 GMT
#846
On April 29 2012 11:33 Azarkon wrote:
I think Stephano's biggest weakness is his weak muta play. That game he went mutas he had complete map control and a flourishing economy on six bases, but lost because he failed to transition, failed to slow down MC's economy, and failed to engage and base trade correctly. I know he hates mutas, but mutas and banelings are the missing piece of his ZvP.

yeah

i know people hate idras zvp, but idras transitions after muta (recently ofc, like past few weeks) have been stellar, looked a little better then what stephano was up to that game.
MilesTeg
Profile Joined September 2010
France1271 Posts
April 29 2012 02:36 GMT
#847
On April 29 2012 11:27 jnsjr wrote:
Great set of games. I was hoping that Stephano would win, as I lean more towards Zerg. I must admit though that losing to MC after saying protoss needs a buff in the matchup is quite ironic and hilarious.


No, it's not ironic, unless you didn't pay attention to what he was saying... He didn't say "Protoss absolutely cannot win and I expect to have a 100% win rate against them", he said "Protoss are forced into risky play while Zerg can play much safer". So losing to the King of gimmicky bullshit does nothing to disprove what he said.
Rulker
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1477 Posts
April 29 2012 02:37 GMT
#848
On April 29 2012 11:35 Hall0wed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 11:20 Hulavuta wrote:
Just want to say, I predicted MC 5-3 and I was right :DDDDD

I actually think MC's PvZ is better than Squirtle's...MC's only lost 2 series this entire year, against Violet and DRG.


Pretty sure no Protoss in the world understands the late game nearly as good as Squirtle. Most people just haven't gotten to see this and won't get to see this until some zergs actually step it up in the GSL. =(

I think recently in the korean metagame the 2 or 3 base timings are really strong so it makes zerg players look quite silly (not crying imba, just that its a recent trend that toss is the dominator, lots of small wacky things that the gsl zergs arent correctly dealing with, and im not going to go with the hivemind and say its that the zergs are playing bad
Rulker
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1477 Posts
April 29 2012 02:38 GMT
#849
On April 29 2012 11:36 MilesTeg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 11:27 jnsjr wrote:
Great set of games. I was hoping that Stephano would win, as I lean more towards Zerg. I must admit though that losing to MC after saying protoss needs a buff in the matchup is quite ironic and hilarious.


No, it's not ironic, unless you didn't pay attention to what he was saying... He didn't say "Protoss absolutely cannot win and I expect to have a 100% win rate against them", he said "Protoss are forced into risky play while Zerg can play much safer". So losing to the King of gimmicky bullshit does nothing to disprove what he said.

your stupid, MC pvz is solid as a rock, and im not commenting on the disprove/prove thing you guys are posting on, but MC metagamed and outplayed Stephano, showing his series and gameplay is better, with hte only real gimick he did was the 3 gate which tricked the zerg who doesnt scout and doesn't get gas
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
April 29 2012 02:40 GMT
#850
Stephano does have to switch it up with better all-ins instead of the poorly practiced ones he put out this series. MC meta-gamed him with 17 nexus 5 games straight and 3 gate one game, though his star gate play was what won him the series.
MilesTeg
Profile Joined September 2010
France1271 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 02:42:52
April 29 2012 02:42 GMT
#851
On April 29 2012 11:38 Rulker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 11:36 MilesTeg wrote:
On April 29 2012 11:27 jnsjr wrote:
Great set of games. I was hoping that Stephano would win, as I lean more towards Zerg. I must admit though that losing to MC after saying protoss needs a buff in the matchup is quite ironic and hilarious.


No, it's not ironic, unless you didn't pay attention to what he was saying... He didn't say "Protoss absolutely cannot win and I expect to have a 100% win rate against them", he said "Protoss are forced into risky play while Zerg can play much safer". So losing to the King of gimmicky bullshit does nothing to disprove what he said.

your stupid, MC pvz is solid as a rock, and im not commenting on the disprove/prove thing you guys are posting on, but MC metagamed and outplayed Stephano, showing his series and gameplay is better, with hte only real gimick he did was the 3 gate which tricked the zerg who doesnt scout and doesn't get gas


No your stupid.

User was warned for this post
Rulker
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1477 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 02:47:04
April 29 2012 02:43 GMT
#852
Yes, I think stephano is amazing player, but protoss that are smart are punishing him for cutting corners and playing to beat the roach style, and the cheese he mixes in are reminiscent of how bad idra's allins are, example- THorzain vs Idra NASL, Antiga SHipyard.

edit: or was it IdrA vs Alive? I can not remember, he did a roach bane allin and lost horribly
Rulker
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1477 Posts
April 29 2012 02:43 GMT
#853
On April 29 2012 11:42 MilesTeg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 11:38 Rulker wrote:
On April 29 2012 11:36 MilesTeg wrote:
On April 29 2012 11:27 jnsjr wrote:
Great set of games. I was hoping that Stephano would win, as I lean more towards Zerg. I must admit though that losing to MC after saying protoss needs a buff in the matchup is quite ironic and hilarious.


No, it's not ironic, unless you didn't pay attention to what he was saying... He didn't say "Protoss absolutely cannot win and I expect to have a 100% win rate against them", he said "Protoss are forced into risky play while Zerg can play much safer". So losing to the King of gimmicky bullshit does nothing to disprove what he said.

your stupid, MC pvz is solid as a rock, and im not commenting on the disprove/prove thing you guys are posting on, but MC metagamed and outplayed Stephano, showing his series and gameplay is better, with hte only real gimick he did was the 3 gate which tricked the zerg who doesnt scout and doesn't get gas


No your stupid.

Wow good post, You say that me calling you on saying MC is doing gimmicks w/o thought is because Stephano doesnt scout is stupid.
jianming
Profile Joined November 2011
149 Posts
April 29 2012 02:48 GMT
#854
On April 29 2012 11:43 Rulker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 11:42 MilesTeg wrote:
On April 29 2012 11:38 Rulker wrote:
On April 29 2012 11:36 MilesTeg wrote:
On April 29 2012 11:27 jnsjr wrote:
Great set of games. I was hoping that Stephano would win, as I lean more towards Zerg. I must admit though that losing to MC after saying protoss needs a buff in the matchup is quite ironic and hilarious.


No, it's not ironic, unless you didn't pay attention to what he was saying... He didn't say "Protoss absolutely cannot win and I expect to have a 100% win rate against them", he said "Protoss are forced into risky play while Zerg can play much safer". So losing to the King of gimmicky bullshit does nothing to disprove what he said.

your stupid, MC pvz is solid as a rock, and im not commenting on the disprove/prove thing you guys are posting on, but MC metagamed and outplayed Stephano, showing his series and gameplay is better, with hte only real gimick he did was the 3 gate which tricked the zerg who doesnt scout and doesn't get gas


No your stupid.

Wow good post, You say that me calling you on saying MC is doing gimmicks w/o thought is because Stephano doesnt scout is stupid.


Don't bother with the fanboys. The guy with no real results against top tier players is obviously better than the 2 time GSL champion and all time money list leader (including $50k in 2012).
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
April 29 2012 02:48 GMT
#855
On April 29 2012 11:42 MilesTeg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 11:38 Rulker wrote:
On April 29 2012 11:36 MilesTeg wrote:
On April 29 2012 11:27 jnsjr wrote:
Great set of games. I was hoping that Stephano would win, as I lean more towards Zerg. I must admit though that losing to MC after saying protoss needs a buff in the matchup is quite ironic and hilarious.


No, it's not ironic, unless you didn't pay attention to what he was saying... He didn't say "Protoss absolutely cannot win and I expect to have a 100% win rate against them", he said "Protoss are forced into risky play while Zerg can play much safer". So losing to the King of gimmicky bullshit does nothing to disprove what he said.

your stupid, MC pvz is solid as a rock, and im not commenting on the disprove/prove thing you guys are posting on, but MC metagamed and outplayed Stephano, showing his series and gameplay is better, with hte only real gimick he did was the 3 gate which tricked the zerg who doesnt scout and doesn't get gas


No your stupid.


Haha, posts like this are always ironic.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
SomeONEx
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden641 Posts
April 29 2012 02:50 GMT
#856
Foreign hope losing to a player that got knocked out of ro16!
BW hwaiting!
EG.lectR
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States617 Posts
April 29 2012 02:51 GMT
#857
IPL, I'm just going to say this: you need to fire your designer.
@colindeshong
-TesteR-
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1165 Posts
April 29 2012 02:54 GMT
#858
On April 29 2012 11:50 SomeONEx wrote:
Foreign hope losing to a player that got knocked out of ro16!


Relax, Naniwa is true foreign hope.
Rulker
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1477 Posts
April 29 2012 02:55 GMT
#859
On April 29 2012 11:51 EG.lectR wrote:
IPL, I'm just going to say this: you need to fire your designer.

is this for the stream or the OP??
Rayjin
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany205 Posts
April 29 2012 02:56 GMT
#860
Some people are just unable to accept results as it seems ;-)

They both played well, but one of them was better today, so whats the problem?
Rulker
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1477 Posts
April 29 2012 02:58 GMT
#861
amazing 18k viewers ( or more ) btw
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
April 29 2012 02:59 GMT
#862
On April 29 2012 11:50 SomeONEx wrote:
Foreign hope losing to a player that got knocked out of ro16!


so? amazing players get knocked out of GSL all the time, and PvZ is MC's best matchup
beep boop
Rulker
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1477 Posts
April 29 2012 03:03 GMT
#863
On April 29 2012 11:59 7mk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 11:50 SomeONEx wrote:
Foreign hope losing to a player that got knocked out of ro16!


so? amazing players get knocked out of GSL all the time, and PvZ is MC's best matchup

tbh i think he's making a reference to people who say stephano will dominate code s whether or not it is a good reference
MilesTeg
Profile Joined September 2010
France1271 Posts
April 29 2012 03:03 GMT
#864
On April 29 2012 11:48 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 11:42 MilesTeg wrote:
On April 29 2012 11:38 Rulker wrote:
On April 29 2012 11:36 MilesTeg wrote:
On April 29 2012 11:27 jnsjr wrote:
Great set of games. I was hoping that Stephano would win, as I lean more towards Zerg. I must admit though that losing to MC after saying protoss needs a buff in the matchup is quite ironic and hilarious.


No, it's not ironic, unless you didn't pay attention to what he was saying... He didn't say "Protoss absolutely cannot win and I expect to have a 100% win rate against them", he said "Protoss are forced into risky play while Zerg can play much safer". So losing to the King of gimmicky bullshit does nothing to disprove what he said.

your stupid, MC pvz is solid as a rock, and im not commenting on the disprove/prove thing you guys are posting on, but MC metagamed and outplayed Stephano, showing his series and gameplay is better, with hte only real gimick he did was the 3 gate which tricked the zerg who doesnt scout and doesn't get gas


No your stupid.


Haha, posts like this are always ironic.


Look at the message I'm answering before jumping to conclusions...
jnsjr
Profile Joined February 2011
United States461 Posts
April 29 2012 03:06 GMT
#865
On April 29 2012 11:36 MilesTeg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 11:27 jnsjr wrote:
Great set of games. I was hoping that Stephano would win, as I lean more towards Zerg. I must admit though that losing to MC after saying protoss needs a buff in the matchup is quite ironic and hilarious.


No, it's not ironic, unless you didn't pay attention to what he was saying... He didn't say "Protoss absolutely cannot win and I expect to have a 100% win rate against them", he said "Protoss are forced into risky play while Zerg can play much safer". So losing to the King of gimmicky bullshit does nothing to disprove what he said.


Ok, I'll bite. I did pay attention to what he said. He has said that Blizzard should fix the matchup because its imbalanced towards zerg. If he proceeds to lose every series against a top Korean protoss, that would be ironic no? We will have to see how the next few ZvP series against top Korean protosses go for him. He is going to Korea soon, so I am sure that we will get to see some amazing ZvP matches. My guess is that its not as imbalanced as Stephano's comments would seem to imply.

MC didn't win this BO9 with gimmicky bullshit. MAYBE you could consider 1 or 2 strategies gimmicky, but come on man. Give credit where credit is due.

Z: Idra #1 Stephano JD Scarlett Dimaga Life Violet DRG Sen; T: Demuslim Puma Illusion Bomber Polt TSpoon Strelok; P: Hasuobs Huk; Casters: Apollo #1 Axslav DJWheat Tasteless Bitter Artosis Incontrol RSimpson Psy Team: Let's GO EG!!
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
April 29 2012 03:08 GMT
#866
On April 29 2012 12:03 Rulker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 11:59 7mk wrote:
On April 29 2012 11:50 SomeONEx wrote:
Foreign hope losing to a player that got knocked out of ro16!


so? amazing players get knocked out of GSL all the time, and PvZ is MC's best matchup

tbh i think he's making a reference to people who say stephano will dominate code s whether or not it is a good reference


tbh i think those ppl are dumb as fuck.
best foreigner barely means top 15 overall nowadays, and thats what he has shown today.
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HuKPOWA
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1604 Posts
April 29 2012 03:11 GMT
#867
Certainly not best ZvP in the world...as it was shown
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
April 29 2012 03:16 GMT
#868
On April 29 2012 12:11 HuKPOWA wrote:
Certainly not best ZvP in the world...as it was shown


I don't think anyone in their right mind would have thought that Stephano had better ZvP than DRG. Stephano is obviously quite good when it comes to taking out certain playstyles, but he cannot adapt easily and has poor game sense. DRG is on another level really.
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
April 29 2012 03:27 GMT
#869
On April 29 2012 12:03 MilesTeg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 11:48 Canucklehead wrote:
On April 29 2012 11:42 MilesTeg wrote:
On April 29 2012 11:38 Rulker wrote:
On April 29 2012 11:36 MilesTeg wrote:
On April 29 2012 11:27 jnsjr wrote:
Great set of games. I was hoping that Stephano would win, as I lean more towards Zerg. I must admit though that losing to MC after saying protoss needs a buff in the matchup is quite ironic and hilarious.


No, it's not ironic, unless you didn't pay attention to what he was saying... He didn't say "Protoss absolutely cannot win and I expect to have a 100% win rate against them", he said "Protoss are forced into risky play while Zerg can play much safer". So losing to the King of gimmicky bullshit does nothing to disprove what he said.

your stupid, MC pvz is solid as a rock, and im not commenting on the disprove/prove thing you guys are posting on, but MC metagamed and outplayed Stephano, showing his series and gameplay is better, with hte only real gimick he did was the 3 gate which tricked the zerg who doesnt scout and doesn't get gas


No your stupid.


Haha, posts like this are always ironic.


Look at the message I'm answering before jumping to conclusions...


Well original poster was correct. Also, all I need to do is see a user's origin and see France to know what agenda is.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
jpark4g
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States101 Posts
April 29 2012 03:28 GMT
#870
On April 29 2012 12:11 HuKPOWA wrote:
Certainly not best ZvP in the world...as it was shown

i agree with above poster that drg prolly has the best zvp in the world.. but i'd have to say stepano is a close 2nd. losing 5-3 to the best pvz'er in the world is no slouch. mc himself has been quoted saying he will not lose to zerg.... ever. only zerg i recall mc losing to is drg himself. and according to mc, best pvt = parting, pvp = huk, pvz = mc.... which i actually agree with 100%.
Elwar
Profile Joined August 2010
953 Posts
April 29 2012 03:32 GMT
#871
Crazy that Stephano could win with pure roach/ling like that after the third got sniped. It barely slowed down Stephanos max.
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 03:50:42
April 29 2012 03:47 GMT
#872
I think this series was good practice for Stephano to see a few of MC's plays. Now that he can recognise them he should be able to cope better. I am talking about Stephano's decision to make 7 drones during MC's attack on Antigua. If he makes units instead it would have really helped him hold off that one base all-in. Also, in the Ohana game, I guess Stephano will know to scout for that pylon that allowed MC to warp in those sentries into Stephano's main after getting high ground vision from the void-ray. Also I guess he knows he should have sniped that nexus after that baneling bust rather than following the probes into the natural. Plus sticking with Mutas for so long against blink stalkers was not such a good idea.

So some valuable lessons to be learnt there. Stephano seemed a lot closer to MC than in their previous meetings. MC is still setting the standard though.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 29 2012 03:48 GMT
#873
Thank you IPL for organizing this, but please be sure to put all matches such as these on cloaked maps so assholes can't ruin the viewing experience for all of us. This issue is imperative and needs to be implemented ASAP. IPL has been very good in responding to community concerns, and I have high hopes that the necessary changes will be made.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
April 29 2012 03:49 GMT
#874
On April 29 2012 12:48 Bagration wrote:
Thank you IPL for organizing this, but please be sure to put all matches such as these on cloaked maps so assholes can't ruin the viewing experience for all of us. This issue is imperative and needs to be implemented ASAP. IPL has been very good in responding to community concerns, and I have high hopes that the necessary changes will be made.


I second that.
-TesteR-
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1165 Posts
April 29 2012 03:50 GMT
#875
Were these games played on EU or KOR server?
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
April 29 2012 03:51 GMT
#876
On April 29 2012 12:50 -TesteR- wrote:
Were these games played on EU or KOR server?


North American. Still some lag issues though.
MilesTeg
Profile Joined September 2010
France1271 Posts
April 29 2012 03:58 GMT
#877
On April 29 2012 12:27 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 12:03 MilesTeg wrote:
On April 29 2012 11:48 Canucklehead wrote:
On April 29 2012 11:42 MilesTeg wrote:
On April 29 2012 11:38 Rulker wrote:
On April 29 2012 11:36 MilesTeg wrote:
On April 29 2012 11:27 jnsjr wrote:
Great set of games. I was hoping that Stephano would win, as I lean more towards Zerg. I must admit though that losing to MC after saying protoss needs a buff in the matchup is quite ironic and hilarious.


No, it's not ironic, unless you didn't pay attention to what he was saying... He didn't say "Protoss absolutely cannot win and I expect to have a 100% win rate against them", he said "Protoss are forced into risky play while Zerg can play much safer". So losing to the King of gimmicky bullshit does nothing to disprove what he said.

your stupid, MC pvz is solid as a rock, and im not commenting on the disprove/prove thing you guys are posting on, but MC metagamed and outplayed Stephano, showing his series and gameplay is better, with hte only real gimick he did was the 3 gate which tricked the zerg who doesnt scout and doesn't get gas


No your stupid.


Haha, posts like this are always ironic.


Look at the message I'm answering before jumping to conclusions...


Well original poster was correct. Also, all I need to do is see a user's origin and see France to know what agenda is.


No, he was not correct, he made a mistake that even a non native speaker think is ridiculous while trying to insult me, so I was making fun of him.

As for Stephano he's actually not that popular in France so you're wrong to think that (or you should I say your wrong?).

Also my original point is still correct, Stephano says Zerg is favoured, he never said he would win everything. People who say "lol but he lost one game" are the ones who are ridiculous.
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
April 29 2012 04:04 GMT
#878
I would like to see LosirA next ty !
Venomsflame
Profile Joined February 2011
United States613 Posts
April 29 2012 04:07 GMT
#879
On April 29 2012 13:04 Lysanias wrote:
I would like to see LosirA next ty !


That would actually be awesome. Let's see it!
Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
April 29 2012 04:08 GMT
#880
On April 29 2012 13:04 Lysanias wrote:
I would like to see LosirA next ty !

Well it seems Polt is the next opponent. But Losira would be good choice for the following one in my opinion as well.
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
April 29 2012 04:09 GMT
#881
I want to see MKP next!
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
April 29 2012 04:11 GMT
#882
On April 29 2012 13:08 Olinim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 13:04 Lysanias wrote:
I would like to see LosirA next ty !

Well it seems Polt is the next opponent. But Losira would be good choice for the following one in my opinion as well.


To bad, understandible for IPL sinds Polt is all popular now but meh.
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
April 29 2012 04:14 GMT
#883
On April 29 2012 11:50 SomeONEx wrote:
Foreign hope losing to a player that got knocked out of ro16!


... have you seen Stephano and MC's head to head record? I don't remember it exactly, but it was heavily in MC's favor even before this IPL FC.
ffxiv enjoyer
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 04:57:48
April 29 2012 04:56 GMT
#884
On April 29 2012 13:14 DoNotDisturb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 11:50 SomeONEx wrote:
Foreign hope losing to a player that got knocked out of ro16!


... have you seen Stephano and MC's head to head record? I don't remember it exactly, but it was heavily in MC's favor even before this IPL FC.


I think the record is something like "MC wins every time" to zero.

Plus, MC getting knocked out of the round of 16... so what? What round of the GSL did Stephano get knocked out of? Comparing their GSL success is hilarious.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
ShakaZu.Sc2
Profile Joined February 2012
United States131 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 05:34:01
April 29 2012 05:08 GMT
#885
Also basing a players skill solely off of GSL results is ridiculous... MVP made it further than MKP but I think most people who have watched SC2 recently would agree MKP is better. GSL is the biggest tournament in starcraft but trying to put a value on round of 16 vs round of 8 or even round of 32 is impossible, Starcraft is a game where even the best players will lose a bo3 to someone they should probably beat... Just because MC faltered in GSL on one night doesn't make him any worse, especially in pvz considering he wasn't eliminated by any zergs! Great games by both players and glad to see MC and Stephano getting along and another Code S player complimenting Stephano's abilities, maybe not the last foreign hope but probably the best (or NaNi)


Thanks Bibbit, I fixed it... Unacceptable mistake really
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Sroobz
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1377 Posts
April 29 2012 05:10 GMT
#886
On April 29 2012 14:08 Mortalfury wrote:
Also basing a players skill solely off of GSL results is ridiculous... MVP made it further than MKP but I think most people would agree MKP is better. GSL is the biggest tournament in starcraft but trying to put a value on round of 16 vs round of 8 or even round of 32 is impossible, Starcraft is a game where even the best players will lose a bo3 to someone they should probably beat... Just because MC faltered in GSL on one night doesn't make any worse, especially considering he wasn't eliminated by any zergs


uhh hell no. Most people would NOT agree that MKP is better than Mvp.
Flash---Taeja---Mvp---Byun---DRG
blizzind
Profile Joined February 2010
United States642 Posts
April 29 2012 05:12 GMT
#887
Mvp is not what he used to be.
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
April 29 2012 05:12 GMT
#888
On April 29 2012 14:10 Sroobz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 14:08 Mortalfury wrote:
Also basing a players skill solely off of GSL results is ridiculous... MVP made it further than MKP but I think most people would agree MKP is better. GSL is the biggest tournament in starcraft but trying to put a value on round of 16 vs round of 8 or even round of 32 is impossible, Starcraft is a game where even the best players will lose a bo3 to someone they should probably beat... Just because MC faltered in GSL on one night doesn't make any worse, especially considering he wasn't eliminated by any zergs


uhh hell no. Most people would NOT agree that MKP is better than Mvp.

Yeah he should have rephrased. Most people who have watched sc2 recently would agree that MKP is better than MVP. Easy fix.
Tipany
Profile Joined November 2010
United States368 Posts
April 29 2012 05:13 GMT
#889
On April 29 2012 13:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 13:14 DoNotDisturb wrote:
On April 29 2012 11:50 SomeONEx wrote:
Foreign hope losing to a player that got knocked out of ro16!


... have you seen Stephano and MC's head to head record? I don't remember it exactly, but it was heavily in MC's favor even before this IPL FC.


I think the record is something like "MC wins every time" to zero.

Plus, MC getting knocked out of the round of 16... so what? What round of the GSL did Stephano get knocked out of? Comparing their GSL success is hilarious.

I think the point was that a foreigner so good as to be called the "Foreign hope" lost to someone who didn't even reach the previous GSL Ro8.

It's not a matter of comparing the two in terms of GSL success -_-
wat.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 05:21:30
April 29 2012 05:16 GMT
#890
On April 29 2012 14:13 Tipany wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 13:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On April 29 2012 13:14 DoNotDisturb wrote:
On April 29 2012 11:50 SomeONEx wrote:
Foreign hope losing to a player that got knocked out of ro16!


... have you seen Stephano and MC's head to head record? I don't remember it exactly, but it was heavily in MC's favor even before this IPL FC.


I think the record is something like "MC wins every time" to zero.

Plus, MC getting knocked out of the round of 16... so what? What round of the GSL did Stephano get knocked out of? Comparing their GSL success is hilarious.

I think the point was that a foreigner so good as to be called the "Foreign hope" lost to someone who didn't even reach the previous GSL Ro8.

It's not a matter of comparing the two in terms of GSL success -_-


MC has the best PvZ record of all Korean Protosses in 2012. He lost in the GSL to Protosses and Terrans. This showmatch was between the best PvZ in Korea and the best ZvP in the foreigner's scene. Trying to play down MC is ignorant.

Squirtle is around the same level, but that's about it. Stephano has smashed JYP and Ret has smashed Genius, the two other PvZ experts in Korea. Oz is up there too, but he's a bit streaky in the match up.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
April 29 2012 05:21 GMT
#891
On April 29 2012 14:13 Tipany wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 13:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On April 29 2012 13:14 DoNotDisturb wrote:
On April 29 2012 11:50 SomeONEx wrote:
Foreign hope losing to a player that got knocked out of ro16!


... have you seen Stephano and MC's head to head record? I don't remember it exactly, but it was heavily in MC's favor even before this IPL FC.


I think the record is something like "MC wins every time" to zero.

Plus, MC getting knocked out of the round of 16... so what? What round of the GSL did Stephano get knocked out of? Comparing their GSL success is hilarious.

I think the point was that a foreigner so good as to be called the "Foreign hope" lost to someone who didn't even reach the previous GSL Ro8.

It's not a matter of comparing the two in terms of GSL success -_-


If that's the case, then I find that point to be rather silly, considering it's rather well established that there are certainly at least 8 Koreans better than any foreigner at any point in the history of SC2 (unless we want to talk about a GSL run, where Ro8 foreigners are Foreigner Hopes by this seemingly arbitrary standard, since the GSL is the most prestigious SC2 tournament... but then Stephano has never been a real Foreigner Hope). I don't really like using the term "Foreigner Hope" anyway
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Talack
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada2742 Posts
April 29 2012 05:24 GMT
#892
On April 29 2012 14:10 Sroobz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 14:08 Mortalfury wrote:
Also basing a players skill solely off of GSL results is ridiculous... MVP made it further than MKP but I think most people would agree MKP is better. GSL is the biggest tournament in starcraft but trying to put a value on round of 16 vs round of 8 or even round of 32 is impossible, Starcraft is a game where even the best players will lose a bo3 to someone they should probably beat... Just because MC faltered in GSL on one night doesn't make any worse, especially considering he wasn't eliminated by any zergs


uhh hell no. Most people would NOT agree that MKP is better than Mvp.


Currently MKP is better than MVP.

Once MVP gets his wrist issues fixed we'll see, MKP has improved a ton.
jkang
Profile Joined May 2011
United States404 Posts
April 29 2012 05:37 GMT
#893
On April 29 2012 11:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 11:16 Havik_ wrote:
I think MC basically showed 2 basing is still the best way to play PvZ.


Why do you say this? He won one game with a 1base 3gateway pressure, another game with 3bases and blink stalker vs. mass muta, and that last game off a fast three bases... and I don't even remember the other two wins offhand (at least, how many bases he had)... so the majority of MC's wins were not off two bases.
apparantly people that don't watch MC's games still think he ONLY use 2 base all-ins.
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
April 29 2012 06:03 GMT
#894
On April 29 2012 14:10 Sroobz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 14:08 Mortalfury wrote:
Also basing a players skill solely off of GSL results is ridiculous... MVP made it further than MKP but I think most people would agree MKP is better. GSL is the biggest tournament in starcraft but trying to put a value on round of 16 vs round of 8 or even round of 32 is impossible, Starcraft is a game where even the best players will lose a bo3 to someone they should probably beat... Just because MC faltered in GSL on one night doesn't make any worse, especially considering he wasn't eliminated by any zergs


uhh hell no. Most people would NOT agree that MKP is better than Mvp.

uh fuck no. When MVP at his prime, no one even close to his domination.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
April 29 2012 06:13 GMT
#895
On April 29 2012 15:03 tuho12345 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 14:10 Sroobz wrote:
On April 29 2012 14:08 Mortalfury wrote:
Also basing a players skill solely off of GSL results is ridiculous... MVP made it further than MKP but I think most people would agree MKP is better. GSL is the biggest tournament in starcraft but trying to put a value on round of 16 vs round of 8 or even round of 32 is impossible, Starcraft is a game where even the best players will lose a bo3 to someone they should probably beat... Just because MC faltered in GSL on one night doesn't make any worse, especially considering he wasn't eliminated by any zergs


uhh hell no. Most people would NOT agree that MKP is better than Mvp.

uh fuck no. When MVP at his prime, no one even close to his domination.


I'd find it hard to argue against MKP being the best Terran right now
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
usethis2
Profile Joined December 2010
2164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 06:18:44
April 29 2012 06:14 GMT
#896
On April 29 2012 14:10 Sroobz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 14:08 Mortalfury wrote:
Also basing a players skill solely off of GSL results is ridiculous... MVP made it further than MKP but I think most people would agree MKP is better. GSL is the biggest tournament in starcraft but trying to put a value on round of 16 vs round of 8 or even round of 32 is impossible, Starcraft is a game where even the best players will lose a bo3 to someone they should probably beat... Just because MC faltered in GSL on one night doesn't make any worse, especially considering he wasn't eliminated by any zergs


uhh hell no. Most people would NOT agree that MKP is better than Mvp.

MKP has completely evolved to a different animal this year. I would put my money on him than on MVP in any tournament. Not only MKP does have superior unit control than MVP, MKP's macro has become a total beast. Only weakness which I though he has overcome seems to be, his nerves. He still tends to tilt (usually overcomitting) after a frustrating loss.

MVP is kind of like DRG. Both prefer safe macro style, which I appreciate, but there style gives too much away for their opponents to exploit. In the current state of SC2, you need to mix it up and apply pressure, while being able to macro. You can't simply macro perfectly and expect to win because the aggressor will almost always take the initiative. Unless the aggressor botches the attacks horribly or fails at macro, s/he will have the advantage for the large part of the game.

As far as I remember, rushers tends to be more succesful in RTS, against the conventional wisdom of defender's advantage. Early attacks not only can disrupt the game plan of macro-opening, but also brings out mistakes from the defender due to psychological stress.
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
April 29 2012 06:16 GMT
#897
On April 29 2012 14:12 Bibbit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 14:10 Sroobz wrote:
On April 29 2012 14:08 Mortalfury wrote:
Also basing a players skill solely off of GSL results is ridiculous... MVP made it further than MKP but I think most people would agree MKP is better. GSL is the biggest tournament in starcraft but trying to put a value on round of 16 vs round of 8 or even round of 32 is impossible, Starcraft is a game where even the best players will lose a bo3 to someone they should probably beat... Just because MC faltered in GSL on one night doesn't make any worse, especially considering he wasn't eliminated by any zergs


uhh hell no. Most people would NOT agree that MKP is better than Mvp.

Yeah he should have rephrased. Most people who have watched sc2 recently would agree that MKP is better than MVP. Easy fix.

in his current state sure, mkp is better, mvp as long as he can put the time in to practice tho is fairly hard to beat.. they are different tho.

MKP is more like speed and raw talent whereas MVP is just solid play with sound decisions. personally i prefer MVP to MKP but sadly MVP can't really keep up the practice regimen with medical problems in the way T_T
dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
April 29 2012 06:24 GMT
#898
MC is not "a guy who didn't reach the GSL Ro8"

He is THE ALL-TIME MONEY WINNER IN SC2 HISTORY.

The most recent GSL is just one data point in a volatile sport.
Chunhyang
Profile Joined December 2011
Bangladesh1389 Posts
April 29 2012 06:53 GMT
#899
Stephano had all to gain, MC all to lose in this match.

In the end, MC got nothing except the certainty that he still "got this". Stephano lost nothing; he's still the best foreigner. But that title may mean just a teensy bit less today.
If you could reason with haters, there would be no haters. YGTMYFT
poorcloud
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore2748 Posts
April 29 2012 07:06 GMT
#900
On April 29 2012 15:16 sc14s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 14:12 Bibbit wrote:
On April 29 2012 14:10 Sroobz wrote:
On April 29 2012 14:08 Mortalfury wrote:
Also basing a players skill solely off of GSL results is ridiculous... MVP made it further than MKP but I think most people would agree MKP is better. GSL is the biggest tournament in starcraft but trying to put a value on round of 16 vs round of 8 or even round of 32 is impossible, Starcraft is a game where even the best players will lose a bo3 to someone they should probably beat... Just because MC faltered in GSL on one night doesn't make any worse, especially considering he wasn't eliminated by any zergs


uhh hell no. Most people would NOT agree that MKP is better than Mvp.

Yeah he should have rephrased. Most people who have watched sc2 recently would agree that MKP is better than MVP. Easy fix.

in his current state sure, mkp is better, mvp as long as he can put the time in to practice tho is fairly hard to beat.. they are different tho.

MKP is more like speed and raw talent whereas MVP is just solid play with sound decisions. personally i prefer MVP to MKP but sadly MVP can't really keep up the practice regimen with medical problems in the way T_T


Lol what? MVP at last year had the best micro/macro + decision making. Thats why he was so dominant. You don't get to win almost every major tournament within a 3 month period if you just have "solid play with sound decisions". Sure MVP's macro and micro isn't as good as it used to be or have been overtaken by others, but don't make him sound like a Supernova when his period of dominance was still the most dominant in the history of the game so far.
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
April 29 2012 07:07 GMT
#901
On April 29 2012 15:53 Chunhyang wrote:
Stephano had all to gain, MC all to lose in this match.

In the end, MC got nothing except the certainty that he still "got this". Stephano lost nothing; he's still the best foreigner. But that title may mean just a teensy bit less today.


All to gain? Stephano proves that his ZvP can't compete with MC PvZ.
Play your best
Ghardo
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Germany1685 Posts
April 29 2012 07:18 GMT
#902
How does leading after 5 matches translate into being unable to compete with MC's PvZ? o_O

In a Bo5 he would have won.
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
April 29 2012 07:18 GMT
#903
On April 29 2012 16:07 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 15:53 Chunhyang wrote:
Stephano had all to gain, MC all to lose in this match.

In the end, MC got nothing except the certainty that he still "got this". Stephano lost nothing; he's still the best foreigner. But that title may mean just a teensy bit less today.


All to gain? Stephano proves that his ZvP can't compete with MC PvZ.


I think he meant, stephano had all to gain because if he won people would be spouting best zvp in world again, but if mc won, nothing would change for him. However, if mc lost it would hurt him more whereas if stephano lost like he did, not much is said.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
April 29 2012 07:36 GMT
#904
On April 29 2012 16:07 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 15:53 Chunhyang wrote:
Stephano had all to gain, MC all to lose in this match.

In the end, MC got nothing except the certainty that he still "got this". Stephano lost nothing; he's still the best foreigner. But that title may mean just a teensy bit less today.


All to gain? Stephano proves that his ZvP can't compete with MC PvZ.


Lose one match 3-5 -> not able to compete.

Flawless logic.
AzureD
Profile Joined September 2010
United States320 Posts
April 29 2012 07:40 GMT
#905
On April 29 2012 16:07 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 15:53 Chunhyang wrote:
Stephano had all to gain, MC all to lose in this match.

In the end, MC got nothing except the certainty that he still "got this". Stephano lost nothing; he's still the best foreigner. But that title may mean just a teensy bit less today.


All to gain? Stephano proves that his ZvP can't compete with MC PvZ.


It is pretty obvious he can compete with him by the fact that he won some games and was leading for a short while.

However these games do not matter that much since they where cross server.
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
April 29 2012 07:59 GMT
#906
On April 29 2012 16:18 Ghardo wrote:
How does leading after 5 matches translate into being unable to compete with MC's PvZ? o_O

In a Bo5 he would have won.


Silly argument. One can easily say MC would have even earlier in Bo3 as well.

The only thing one can take away from this, is that while Stephano isn't better than MC in this matchup, he can still compete with him in it.
Someone call down the Thunder?
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
April 29 2012 08:00 GMT
#907
Nice play by MC! He realized that Stephano's style is basically immune to gateway/gateway immortal pressure but weaker to stargate play and took advantage of it. All credit to Stephano though- the series was close and that's impressive against arguably the best PvZer around at the moment. Definitely a good sign for his code S prospects.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 08:15:50
April 29 2012 08:15 GMT
#908
On April 29 2012 16:59 RaiKageRyu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 16:18 Ghardo wrote:
How does leading after 5 matches translate into being unable to compete with MC's PvZ? o_O

In a Bo5 he would have won.


Silly argument. One can easily say MC would have even earlier in Bo3 as well.

The only thing one can take away from this, is that while Stephano isn't better than MC in this matchup, he can still compete with him in it.


Bo1: Stephano wins
Bo3: MC wins
Bo5: Stephano wins
Bo7: MC wins
Bo9: MC wins

MC's results got better as the series went on due to his experience in the match-up. MC tried a bunch of things against Stephano - immortal expands, two base blink timings, void ray zealot, standard star gate harass, 3 gate, colossi pushes, etc., before deciding that star gate play was the way to go against Stephano. He showcased a huge variety of styles, all of which he performed to a Code S standard.

This is the advantage he had over Stephano - his experience and knowledge. Foreigner players, Stephano included, do not have a variety of styles. They find one that works for them and stick to it. This allows you to take games and matches off of the best Koreans, but when it comes to Bo9s, you're at a disadvantage because whereas they are able to switch styles and experiment, you're stuck to your style and have to hope that they don't have a style that counters yours.

Stephano is the first player who I thought had the ability to play a huge variety of styles because he learns and adapts quickly, but he has to get over his refusal to practice 10-12+ hours a day because practicing 3-4 hours a day just won't cut it when you're traveling to tournaments all the time - you don't have the time to practice a huge variety of styles and have to rely on a few, which is what Stephano does.
markanton49
Profile Joined March 2012
20 Posts
April 29 2012 08:33 GMT
#909
ouch i missed this, any replays, vods links please ?
markanton49
Profile Joined March 2012
20 Posts
April 29 2012 08:35 GMT
#910
http://www.twitch.tv/ignproleague/b/316504828, found myself woot
JohnMatrix
Profile Joined April 2011
France1356 Posts
April 29 2012 08:46 GMT
#911
What were the best games of the series ?
masakenji
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia415 Posts
April 29 2012 09:16 GMT
#912
On April 29 2012 16:18 Ghardo wrote:
How does leading after 5 matches translate into being unable to compete with MC's PvZ? o_O

In a Bo5 he would have won.


this is one of those dumb statement that flies around here in this forum.

if it was bo5, both players would be prepared for such.
Shaddar
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
675 Posts
April 29 2012 09:20 GMT
#913
Thank God MC won, nice play by him. Hopefully some of the Stephano fanboys will calm down a bit now, he's good but way overhyped.
Why is Check 6 afraid of Infinity Seven? Because Infinity Seven Team 8 Day [9]
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
April 29 2012 09:24 GMT
#914
I really hope stephano studies those games and works on his pvz, at the top korean lvl it seems like the old 11 minute roach max just doesn't work
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
2830 Posts
April 29 2012 09:37 GMT
#915
On April 29 2012 18:20 Shaddar wrote:
Thank God MC won, nice play by him. Hopefully some of the Stephano fanboys will calm down a bit now, he's good but way overhyped.


losing to arguably the best protoss in the world 3-5 in a best of 9 doesn't mean he's overhyped. lol.
aka wilted_kale
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
April 29 2012 09:37 GMT
#916
On April 29 2012 17:35 markanton49 wrote:
http://www.twitch.tv/ignproleague/b/316504828, found myself woot


You sir have made my day, I been looking for it ! Thankyou kind sir for sharing link! xD

I couldnt care who won, I just wanted good games and from the last couple matches I saw live thats what we got.

MC and Stephano WON today.
*burp*
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
April 29 2012 09:43 GMT
#917
On April 29 2012 18:37 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 18:20 Shaddar wrote:
Thank God MC won, nice play by him. Hopefully some of the Stephano fanboys will calm down a bit now, he's good but way overhyped.


losing to arguably the best protoss in the world 3-5 in a best of 9 doesn't mean he's overhyped. lol.

Don't bother. Some people hate a player because of their fans. It's like hating a country for its inhabitants it's low and shows a great deal of ignorance (also that's called being xenophobic), in the General Discussion that is frown upon but here you are free to insult anyone as long as you use the word fanboy.
Shaddar
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
675 Posts
April 29 2012 09:43 GMT
#918
On April 29 2012 18:37 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 18:20 Shaddar wrote:
Thank God MC won, nice play by him. Hopefully some of the Stephano fanboys will calm down a bit now, he's good but way overhyped.


losing to arguably the best protoss in the world 3-5 in a best of 9 doesn't mean he's overhyped. lol.


Im not just saying that based on this result
Why is Check 6 afraid of Infinity Seven? Because Infinity Seven Team 8 Day [9]
Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 09:50:39
April 29 2012 09:50 GMT
#919
god people make me laugh, yes how bad is Stephano losing to MC..... hahahah. Sorry this wasnt somescrub, this was MC.... MC you know who is a great pvZ player, has the experience of where he shows up quite often after sometimesperforming bad... nothing wrong with losing to MC at all....

people are tlaking like he lost 5-0.... and no games were close... lol
Live and Let Die!
drbrown
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden442 Posts
April 29 2012 10:07 GMT
#920
On April 29 2012 16:07 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 15:53 Chunhyang wrote:
Stephano had all to gain, MC all to lose in this match.

In the end, MC got nothing except the certainty that he still "got this". Stephano lost nothing; he's still the best foreigner. But that title may mean just a teensy bit less today.


All to gain? Stephano proves that his ZvP can't compete with MC PvZ.


How does losing 3-5 translate into not being able to compete? He couldn't beat MCs PvZ in a Bo9 but he certainly competed for it, for example if it were a Bo5 he would've won and winning a Bo5 is still pretty legit.
I'm probably being ironic
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
April 29 2012 10:19 GMT
#921
On April 29 2012 19:07 drbrown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 16:07 FakeDeath wrote:
On April 29 2012 15:53 Chunhyang wrote:
Stephano had all to gain, MC all to lose in this match.

In the end, MC got nothing except the certainty that he still "got this". Stephano lost nothing; he's still the best foreigner. But that title may mean just a teensy bit less today.


All to gain? Stephano proves that his ZvP can't compete with MC PvZ.


How does losing 3-5 translate into not being able to compete? He couldn't beat MCs PvZ in a Bo9 but he certainly competed for it, for example if it were a Bo5 he would've won and winning a Bo5 is still pretty legit.


I think i should phrased it as Stephano ZvP is not as good as MC PvZ.
MC has won every head to head against Stephano.
Play your best
HyunA
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania362 Posts
April 29 2012 10:22 GMT
#922
can somebody please link me to the vods?
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 10:46:38
April 29 2012 10:38 GMT
#923
The haters who thought Stephano would get absolutely destroyed 5-0...Where are they ?

Oh right, they're still here, talking like MC really won 5-0.

Guys, it was 5-3, not 5-0. All games were really close and it was very entertaining to watch.

MC is obviously the better player but Stephano definitely gave him a run for his money. I liked the part where MC said "Why are your roach so strong..Stephano's roach".

gg wp to both players.

Edit : If IGN read this : Please next time use cloaked result maps, thanks.
benKrO71
Profile Joined September 2011
France65 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 11:22:52
April 29 2012 11:21 GMT
#924
up ! where i can find vods plz ??

edit : http://fr.twitch.tv/ignproleague/b/316504828
Team Nuit Blanche Manager
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12770 Posts
April 29 2012 11:24 GMT
#925
On April 29 2012 19:38 Lasbike wrote:
The haters who thought Stephano would get absolutely destroyed 5-0...Where are they ?

Oh right, they're still here, talking like MC really won 5-0.

Guys, it was 5-3, not 5-0. All games were really close and it was very entertaining to watch.

MC is obviously the better player but Stephano definitely gave him a run for his money. I liked the part where MC said "Why are your roach so strong..Stephano's roach".

gg wp to both players.

Edit : If IGN read this : Please next time use cloaked result maps, thanks.

5-3 cross-server isn't that good of a result, since Nerchio even only get beaten 5-4 by Jjakji...
I don't see Stephano winning MC anytime soon offline, but that's no shame MC has a very good PvZ right now.
WriterMaru
Sokao
Profile Joined April 2012
12 Posts
April 29 2012 11:32 GMT
#926
Looks like CP got caught lying on reddit and won't back down, calling everyone trolls >< what's up with you Kevin


http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/sy1pq/whats_up_with_catspajamas_he_sure_looks_shady_on/
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
April 29 2012 11:32 GMT
#927
I really like MC's use of the stargate to offset the 12 min max roach timing. It also gives him map control and make it easier to get a fast 3rd. Lately I have also seen how protoss players put the phoenix to good use later on in the game by lifting infestors. It makes a alot of difference in a fight.
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 11:37:09
April 29 2012 11:36 GMT
#928
Is there going to be any restream?

edit: nvm, saw that it will be in nearly 5 hours.
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 11:43:52
April 29 2012 11:42 GMT
#929
gogogo MC! protoss fighting
https://twitter.com/#!/IrisAnother
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
April 29 2012 11:43 GMT
#930
but you got to admit though, MC is a lot more versatile as a player. he is one of the players who is virtually a master of any style. i dont really like MC, but i dont like stephano even more.
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
Xarles
Profile Joined July 2011
459 Posts
April 29 2012 11:44 GMT
#931
On April 29 2012 20:36 SeaSwift wrote:
Is there going to be any restream?

edit: nvm, saw that it will be in nearly 5 hours.

VOD here if you prefer that: www.twitch.tv/ignproleague/b/316504828
Xarles
Profile Joined July 2011
459 Posts
April 29 2012 11:51 GMT
#932
On April 29 2012 19:38 Lasbike wrote:
The haters who thought Stephano would get absolutely destroyed 5-0...Where are they ?

Oh right, they're still here, talking like MC really won 5-0.

Guys, it was 5-3, not 5-0. All games were really close and it was very entertaining to watch.

MC is obviously the better player but Stephano definitely gave him a run for his money. I liked the part where MC said "Why are your roach so strong..Stephano's roach".

gg wp to both players.

Edit : If IGN read this : Please next time use cloaked result maps, thanks.

The same could be said for the haters who thought MC would be destroyed could it not?
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
April 29 2012 11:55 GMT
#933
On April 29 2012 20:51 Xarles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 19:38 Lasbike wrote:
The haters who thought Stephano would get absolutely destroyed 5-0...Where are they ?

Oh right, they're still here, talking like MC really won 5-0.

Guys, it was 5-3, not 5-0. All games were really close and it was very entertaining to watch.

MC is obviously the better player but Stephano definitely gave him a run for his money. I liked the part where MC said "Why are your roach so strong..Stephano's roach".

gg wp to both players.

Edit : If IGN read this : Please next time use cloaked result maps, thanks.

The same could be said for the haters who thought MC would be destroyed could it not?

I don't know who, in their right mind, could say that Stephano would 5-0 MC.
clownfish
Profile Joined December 2010
Angola25 Posts
April 29 2012 11:58 GMT
#934
On April 29 2012 20:32 Sokao wrote:
Looks like CP got caught lying on reddit and won't back down, calling everyone trolls >< what's up with you Kevin


http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/sy1pq/whats_up_with_catspajamas_he_sure_looks_shady_on/

good thing no one gives a fuck.
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3805 Posts
April 29 2012 12:02 GMT
#935
On April 29 2012 20:58 clownfish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 20:32 Sokao wrote:
Looks like CP got caught lying on reddit and won't back down, calling everyone trolls >< what's up with you Kevin


http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/sy1pq/whats_up_with_catspajamas_he_sure_looks_shady_on/

good thing no one gives a fuck.


Just what I was thinking
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
ShatterZer0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1843 Posts
April 29 2012 12:17 GMT
#936
MC has the best PvZ on Earth, the results weren't particularly surprising.

Stephano did well, all things considered.
A time to live.
Sokao
Profile Joined April 2012
12 Posts
April 29 2012 12:26 GMT
#937
Do you guys remember when Catspajamas asked for donations to move out to the IPL offices? http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/gvi2m/catspajamas_moving_for_ipl_s2/

And then it turned out he actually was quite wealthy and just milked the community for money? http://twitpic.com/5h8ywj

It's not the first time he does something shady.

User was temp banned for this post.
Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
April 29 2012 12:28 GMT
#938
is having a big TV a sign of wealth now? don't do witchhunts on TL please
Sokao
Profile Joined April 2012
12 Posts
April 29 2012 12:30 GMT
#939
He used his internet fame and made up a sad story about following his dreams to collect donations, that bought him a giant TV ? Please.
Choboo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden2088 Posts
April 29 2012 12:33 GMT
#940
On April 29 2012 20:32 Sokao wrote:
Looks like CP got caught lying on reddit and won't back down, calling everyone trolls >< what's up with you Kevin


http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/sy1pq/whats_up_with_catspajamas_he_sure_looks_shady_on/

Does this mean CatsPajamas knew the results before the broadcast? Is the broadcast not live or did CP just know the results for the series that he was going to cast? Seems kind of bad for IPL to tell their casters the results before broadcasting
SaSe fan club manager
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
April 29 2012 13:09 GMT
#941
MC's got sick PvZ
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 13:09:45
April 29 2012 13:09 GMT
#942
On April 29 2012 21:33 Choboo wrote:
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On April 29 2012 20:32 Sokao wrote:
Looks like CP got caught lying on reddit and won't back down, calling everyone trolls >< what's up with you Kevin


http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/sy1pq/whats_up_with_catspajamas_he_sure_looks_shady_on/

Does this mean CatsPajamas knew the results before the broadcast? Is the broadcast not live or did CP just know the results for the series that he was going to cast? Seems kind of bad for IPL to tell their casters the results before broadcasting


The cast was pre-recorded, they don't cast on weekends.
Sokao
Profile Joined April 2012
12 Posts
April 29 2012 13:26 GMT
#943
and now, reddit mods are deleting the proof and posts about Catpajamas's lies and cover up..

http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/sy41x/catspajamas_lies_to_reddit_now_he_reddit_mods_are/
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/sy40q/mr_catspajamas_is_a_liar_and_reddit_mods_are/
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/sy1pq/whats_up_with_catspajamas_he_sure_looks_shady_on/
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/sy2cp/catspajams_lies_and_dismisses_me_as_a_troll_to/
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
April 29 2012 13:35 GMT
#944
On April 29 2012 16:07 FakeDeath wrote:
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On April 29 2012 15:53 Chunhyang wrote:
Stephano had all to gain, MC all to lose in this match.

In the end, MC got nothing except the certainty that he still "got this". Stephano lost nothing; he's still the best foreigner. But that title may mean just a teensy bit less today.


All to gain? Stephano proves that his ZvP can't compete with MC PvZ.


What are you talking about watch the first 5 games where Stephano playes his normall ZvP style and he won 3-2. Then he decide to use his spire and baneling builds and he only does that when he is not taking things serious anymore.

Stephano just showed the first 5 games he can beat MC
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
April 29 2012 13:42 GMT
#945
Does Stephano still think Protoss needs a buff, and Zerg can just play the same opening every game and be safe against everything? Because he didn't look like he was very safe yesterday...
Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
April 29 2012 13:46 GMT
#946
On April 29 2012 22:35 Benjamin99 wrote:
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On April 29 2012 16:07 FakeDeath wrote:
On April 29 2012 15:53 Chunhyang wrote:
Stephano had all to gain, MC all to lose in this match.

In the end, MC got nothing except the certainty that he still "got this". Stephano lost nothing; he's still the best foreigner. But that title may mean just a teensy bit less today.


All to gain? Stephano proves that his ZvP can't compete with MC PvZ.


What are you talking about watch the first 5 games where Stephano playes his normall ZvP style and he won 3-2. Then he decide to use his spire and baneling builds and he only does that when he is not taking things serious anymore.

Stephano just showed the first 5 games he can beat MC

Why would he randomly decide to stop taking things seriously in the middle of a bo9?
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
April 29 2012 13:49 GMT
#947
On April 29 2012 19:38 Lasbike wrote:
The haters who thought Stephano would get absolutely destroyed 5-0...Where are they ?

Oh right, they're still here, talking like MC really won 5-0.

Guys, it was 5-3, not 5-0. All games were really close and it was very entertaining to watch.

MC is obviously the better player but Stephano definitely gave him a run for his money. I liked the part where MC said "Why are your roach so strong..Stephano's roach".

gg wp to both players.

Edit : If IGN read this : Please next time use cloaked result maps, thanks.


Where's the half of the voters who actually thought Stephano would win, despite him always losing to MC? Rooting for Stephano and thinking he'll win are two different things.

And while I do think that most of the games were very close and entertaining to watch, some of them (like standard 3gate pressure into Stephano just dying) could have been better. Quite frankly, I feel that MC made the games far more interesting than Stephano did. MC was the innovator of the showmatch without a doubt, keeping Stephano on his toes with really smart and interesting play.

Cloaked maps are definitely a great idea and gg wp to both players indeed ^^
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
April 29 2012 13:50 GMT
#948
stephano can compete hes just not as stable as some koreans are. stop hating
Silvertine
Profile Joined February 2012
United States509 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 14:00:13
April 29 2012 13:58 GMT
#949
It's amazing how many people are speaking as if MC outclassed Stephano. The series started out 3-2... if it was a bo5 Stephano would have won. That's not dominating someone by any means and it's worth noting that Stephano used some strange, non-optimal builds towards the end. Had he continued simply going 3 bases + roach maxing he could very well have won.

On April 29 2012 22:42 sitromit wrote:
Does Stephano still think Protoss needs a buff, and Zerg can just play the same opening every game and be safe against everything? Because he didn't look like he was very safe yesterday...

He was perfectly safe while using the roach max which is what that was in reference to. It's when he strayed from the standard approach that he had problems, so I don't know what you're talking about.

On April 29 2012 22:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Where's the half of the voters who actually thought Stephano would win, despite him always losing to MC? Rooting for Stephano and thinking he'll win are two different things.

And predicting someone will win and that someone will dominate are two very different things.
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 14:05:08
April 29 2012 14:04 GMT
#950
On April 29 2012 22:58 Silvertine wrote:
It's amazing how many people are speaking as if MC outclassed Stephano. The series started out 3-2... if it was a bo5 Stephano would have won. That's not dominating someone by any means and it's worth noting that Stephano used some strange, non-optimal builds towards the end. Had he continued simply going 3 bases + roach maxing he could very well have won.

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On April 29 2012 22:42 sitromit wrote:
Does Stephano still think Protoss needs a buff, and Zerg can just play the same opening every game and be safe against everything? Because he didn't look like he was very safe yesterday...

He was perfectly safe while using the roach max which it was that was in reference to. It's when he strayed from the standard approach that he had problems, so I don't know what you're talking about.


LOL! Really now? And what exactly was he trying to do in the last game, if not a 3 base Roach push, when MC stopped it with his airplay and counterattacked for the win?

He said "I feel bad for Protosses, there's nothing they can do against me, I think Blizzard needs to do something". It sure didn't look like there was nothing MC could do, rather the other way around..

And what you call non-standard.. Do you think he went for the Muta play and the Baneling Bust on those maps for fun? Or was it because he knew his standard Roach play wasn't going to work every time, like it does against Grubby?
Rhaegar_tar
Profile Joined February 2012
France847 Posts
April 29 2012 14:05 GMT
#951
Wow...Does anyone know why Stephano decided to go for those weird builds after being up 3-2?
Silvertine
Profile Joined February 2012
United States509 Posts
April 29 2012 14:21 GMT
#952
On April 29 2012 23:04 sitromit wrote:
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On April 29 2012 22:58 Silvertine wrote:
It's amazing how many people are speaking as if MC outclassed Stephano. The series started out 3-2... if it was a bo5 Stephano would have won. That's not dominating someone by any means and it's worth noting that Stephano used some strange, non-optimal builds towards the end. Had he continued simply going 3 bases + roach maxing he could very well have won.

On April 29 2012 22:42 sitromit wrote:
Does Stephano still think Protoss needs a buff, and Zerg can just play the same opening every game and be safe against everything? Because he didn't look like he was very safe yesterday...

He was perfectly safe while using the roach max which it was that was in reference to. It's when he strayed from the standard approach that he had problems, so I don't know what you're talking about.


LOL! Really now? And what exactly was he trying to do in the last game, if not a 3 base Roach push, when MC stopped it with his airplay and counterattacked for the win?

Did I claim that Stephano won every single game in which he went standard? They split the games in which there was a roach max, I would say that makes it perfectly safe.

He said "I feel bad for Protosses, there's nothing they can do against me, I think Blizzard needs to do something". It sure didn't look like there was nothing MC could do, rather the other way around..

You're implying that there was nothing Stephano could do against MC when the series began 3-2...

He's really in a no-win situation when it comes to commenting on balance in ZvP. If he tells the honest truth then people like you will foolishly mock him for narrowly losing to the best protoss player ever. If he instead says that it's perfectly balanced even more protoss players will whine that he's biased and taking undeserved credit for his general domination in the match up.

And what you call non-standard.. Do you think he went for the Muta play and the Baneling Bust on those maps for fun? Or was it because he knew his standard Roach play wasn't going to work every time, like it does against Grubby

I don't 'call it non-standard'... it is non-standard. And as for his reasons, who knows. He seems like a pretty loose guy though.

sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 14:29:11
April 29 2012 14:28 GMT
#953
On April 29 2012 23:21 Silvertine wrote:
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On April 29 2012 23:04 sitromit wrote:
On April 29 2012 22:58 Silvertine wrote:
It's amazing how many people are speaking as if MC outclassed Stephano. The series started out 3-2... if it was a bo5 Stephano would have won. That's not dominating someone by any means and it's worth noting that Stephano used some strange, non-optimal builds towards the end. Had he continued simply going 3 bases + roach maxing he could very well have won.

On April 29 2012 22:42 sitromit wrote:
Does Stephano still think Protoss needs a buff, and Zerg can just play the same opening every game and be safe against everything? Because he didn't look like he was very safe yesterday...

He was perfectly safe while using the roach max which it was that was in reference to. It's when he strayed from the standard approach that he had problems, so I don't know what you're talking about.


LOL! Really now? And what exactly was he trying to do in the last game, if not a 3 base Roach push, when MC stopped it with his airplay and counterattacked for the win?

Did I claim that Stephano won every single game in which he went standard? They split the games in which there was a roach max, I would say that makes it perfectly safe.

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He said "I feel bad for Protosses, there's nothing they can do against me, I think Blizzard needs to do something". It sure didn't look like there was nothing MC could do, rather the other way around..

You're implying that there was nothing Stephano could do against MC when the series began 3-2...

He's really in a no-win situation when it comes to commenting on balance in ZvP. If he tells the honest truth then people like you will foolishly mock him for narrowly losing to the best protoss player ever. If he instead says that it's perfectly balanced even more protoss players will whine that he's biased and taking undeserved credit for his general domination in the match up.

Show nested quote +
And what you call non-standard.. Do you think he went for the Muta play and the Baneling Bust on those maps for fun? Or was it because he knew his standard Roach play wasn't going to work every time, like it does against Grubby

I don't 'call it non-standard'... it is non-standard. And as for his reasons, who knows. He seems like a pretty loose guy though.



And you define what's standard? Wasn't Muta play standard against Protoss until recently, when everyone was whining about how it was unbeatable?

He went Mutas on that map, because he saw that there was no way he was breaking MCs 3rd with a Roach push with air units out.

The Baneling bust, he tried to mix it up, because he saw he couldn't do the same build every time and get away with it, plain and simple..

He's dominant against foreign Protoss.. Since he made his arrogant balance comments, he played against 3 Koreans, won one 2-1, lost the other 2.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
April 29 2012 14:39 GMT
#954
On April 29 2012 22:58 Silvertine wrote:
The series started out 3-2... if it was a bo5 Stephano would have won.


And if it were a best of 3, MC would have won 2-1. MC winning twice as many games as Stephano!
And if it were a best of 1, Stephano would have won 1-0. What a shutout!

I really hate when people hypothetically reduce (or extend) the showmatch to a different BoX, because they're just extrapolating results without taking into account the fact that the players may have played differently. The players planned on playing a Best of 9, so they're going to try out certain builds and strategies with this specifically in mind (as opposed to planning for a Bo1 or a Bo5, etc.).

Yeah, well, if it were a Best of 31, MC totally would have won every single remaining game after the real Best of 9 ended, making it 16-3 instead of 5-3, so your argument is invalid.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
SiroKO
Profile Joined February 2012
France721 Posts
April 29 2012 14:45 GMT
#955
Actually, every game Stephano could and went for that mass roaches pressure he either won that game just there (game 2 and 3) or did insane damage at the very least.

Even in the last game, Stephano suicided his whole army of roaches to kill Protoss third and then fend-off MC counter-attack because of Zerg macro mechanics (he lost later on for other reasons).
That just shouldn't happen in a serious RTS.
Also losing every single infestors in g1 due to silver league control and then coming back due to the fact that Protoss can't beat a too large fleet of broodlords (I wish commentators would shut up about archon toilet being a valid counter to mass broodlords, this has been a desperate move since day 1 and even in my master league this tends to work less and less) was quite funny considering that we keep on hearing about the famous "Protoss deathball" all the time; a deathball which can't hold a candle to the Zerg fleet is not a deathball, it's a jokeball.

And to not be accused of total Protoss bias, I have to say that indefinitely forcefielding a ramp while ravaging the main is a bit of a joke that I hope will be fixed in HoTS as well.

Our envy always last longer than the happiness of those we envy
Silvertine
Profile Joined February 2012
United States509 Posts
April 29 2012 15:01 GMT
#956
On April 29 2012 23:28 sitromit wrote:
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On April 29 2012 23:21 Silvertine wrote:
On April 29 2012 23:04 sitromit wrote:
On April 29 2012 22:58 Silvertine wrote:
It's amazing how many people are speaking as if MC outclassed Stephano. The series started out 3-2... if it was a bo5 Stephano would have won. That's not dominating someone by any means and it's worth noting that Stephano used some strange, non-optimal builds towards the end. Had he continued simply going 3 bases + roach maxing he could very well have won.

On April 29 2012 22:42 sitromit wrote:
Does Stephano still think Protoss needs a buff, and Zerg can just play the same opening every game and be safe against everything? Because he didn't look like he was very safe yesterday...

He was perfectly safe while using the roach max which it was that was in reference to. It's when he strayed from the standard approach that he had problems, so I don't know what you're talking about.


LOL! Really now? And what exactly was he trying to do in the last game, if not a 3 base Roach push, when MC stopped it with his airplay and counterattacked for the win?

Did I claim that Stephano won every single game in which he went standard? They split the games in which there was a roach max, I would say that makes it perfectly safe.

He said "I feel bad for Protosses, there's nothing they can do against me, I think Blizzard needs to do something". It sure didn't look like there was nothing MC could do, rather the other way around..

You're implying that there was nothing Stephano could do against MC when the series began 3-2...

He's really in a no-win situation when it comes to commenting on balance in ZvP. If he tells the honest truth then people like you will foolishly mock him for narrowly losing to the best protoss player ever. If he instead says that it's perfectly balanced even more protoss players will whine that he's biased and taking undeserved credit for his general domination in the match up.

And what you call non-standard.. Do you think he went for the Muta play and the Baneling Bust on those maps for fun? Or was it because he knew his standard Roach play wasn't going to work every time, like it does against Grubby

I don't 'call it non-standard'... it is non-standard. And as for his reasons, who knows. He seems like a pretty loose guy though.



And you define what's standard? Wasn't Muta play standard against Protoss until recently, when everyone was whining about how it was unbeatable?

'Until recently' being the operative words.

The Baneling bust, he tried to mix it up, because he saw he couldn't do the same build every time and get away with it, plain and simple..

A baseless assumption, plain and simple. There is no hard counter to 3 base roach max, so the idea that it's a risky strat he couldn't get away with again is silly.

He's dominant against foreign Protoss.. Since he made his arrogant balance comments, he played against 3 Koreans, won one 2-1, lost the other 2.

A protoss player outraged that a zerg player said the match up favors zerg. It's just funny to me, what can I say?

On April 29 2012 23:39 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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On April 29 2012 22:58 Silvertine wrote:
The series started out 3-2... if it was a bo5 Stephano would have won.


And if it were a best of 3, MC would have won 2-1. MC winning twice as many games as Stephano!
And if it were a best of 1, Stephano would have won 1-0. What a shutout!

I really hate when people hypothetically reduce (or extend) the showmatch to a different BoX, because they're just extrapolating results without taking into account the fact that the players may have played differently. The players planned on playing a Best of 9, so they're going to try out certain builds and strategies with this specifically in mind (as opposed to planning for a Bo1 or a Bo5, etc.).

Yeah, well, if it were a Best of 31, MC totally would have won every single remaining game after the real Best of 9 ended, making it 16-3 instead of 5-3, so your argument is invalid.

I knew this illogical response would come, I should have preempted it. I was very clearly making the point that a series that starts off 3-2 can not be viewed as utter domination. How you managed to misunderstand that I don't know.
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 15:14:38
April 29 2012 15:14 GMT
#957
On April 29 2012 22:26 Sokao wrote:
and now, reddit mods are deleting the proof and posts about Catpajamas's lies and cover up..

http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/sy41x/catspajamas_lies_to_reddit_now_he_reddit_mods_are/
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/sy40q/mr_catspajamas_is_a_liar_and_reddit_mods_are/
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/sy1pq/whats_up_with_catspajamas_he_sure_looks_shady_on/
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/sy2cp/catspajams_lies_and_dismisses_me_as_a_troll_to/


Can someone tell me what exactly this was about and what CP posted on Reddit? Every single one of those links has deleted OP.
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6166 Posts
April 29 2012 15:27 GMT
#958
On April 29 2012 21:26 Sokao wrote:
Do you guys remember when Catspajamas asked for donations to move out to the IPL offices? http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/gvi2m/catspajamas_moving_for_ipl_s2/

And then it turned out he actually was quite wealthy and just milked the community for money? http://twitpic.com/5h8ywj

It's not the first time he does something shady.

those tv could cost liek 500$..
n_n
nokz88
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1253 Posts
April 29 2012 15:27 GMT
#959
On April 30 2012 00:14 Sein wrote:
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On April 29 2012 22:26 Sokao wrote:
and now, reddit mods are deleting the proof and posts about Catpajamas's lies and cover up..

http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/sy41x/catspajamas_lies_to_reddit_now_he_reddit_mods_are/
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/sy40q/mr_catspajamas_is_a_liar_and_reddit_mods_are/
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/sy1pq/whats_up_with_catspajamas_he_sure_looks_shady_on/
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/sy2cp/catspajams_lies_and_dismisses_me_as_a_troll_to/


Can someone tell me what exactly this was about and what CP posted on Reddit? Every single one of those links has deleted OP.

probably some bullshit just to start a new witch hunt. Don't bother.
in a state of trance
chosenkerrigan
Profile Joined May 2011
858 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 15:29:58
April 29 2012 15:28 GMT
#960
Guys why bother talking about stephano can or cannot "compete" ? The only thing that matters is a win. Oh OK Stephano can "compete" with MC, but you know what, he still never won a head-to-head against him. Never. Does that hurt your feelings?
jj33
Profile Joined April 2011
802 Posts
April 29 2012 15:31 GMT
#961
On April 29 2012 22:35 Benjamin99 wrote:
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On April 29 2012 16:07 FakeDeath wrote:
On April 29 2012 15:53 Chunhyang wrote:
Stephano had all to gain, MC all to lose in this match.

In the end, MC got nothing except the certainty that he still "got this". Stephano lost nothing; he's still the best foreigner. But that title may mean just a teensy bit less today.


All to gain? Stephano proves that his ZvP can't compete with MC PvZ.


What are you talking about watch the first 5 games where Stephano playes his normall ZvP style and he won 3-2. Then he decide to use his spire and baneling builds and he only does that when he is not taking things serious anymore.

Stephano just showed the first 5 games he can beat MC


hahah, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

on that level, you can't do the same build over and over. especially different maps. there's a thing called adapting and mind games.

Silvertine
Profile Joined February 2012
United States509 Posts
April 29 2012 15:33 GMT
#962
On April 30 2012 00:28 chosenkerrigan wrote:
The only thing that matters is a win. Oh OK Stephano can "compete" with MC, but you know what, he still never won a head-to-head against him. Never. Does that hurt your feelings?

Stating an obvious fact which no one disputes and then asking if it hurts people's feelings for no apparent reason. OK...
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
April 29 2012 15:42 GMT
#963
Seriously, people are still arguing in this thread? LOL
chosenkerrigan
Profile Joined May 2011
858 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 15:45:54
April 29 2012 15:45 GMT
#964
On April 30 2012 00:33 Silvertine wrote:
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On April 30 2012 00:28 chosenkerrigan wrote:
The only thing that matters is a win. Oh OK Stephano can "compete" with MC, but you know what, he still never won a head-to-head against him. Never. Does that hurt your feelings?

Stating an obvious fact which no one disputes and then asking if it hurts people's feelings for no apparent reason. OK...


My point is if he's never able to edge out a series win against MC for a million times, then he should not be able to "compete" with MC. That's just my definition of "compete" though.
chindy
Profile Joined September 2011
82 Posts
April 29 2012 15:51 GMT
#965
Is it possible to get the replays somehow?
Rhaegar_tar
Profile Joined February 2012
France847 Posts
April 29 2012 16:00 GMT
#966
On April 30 2012 00:45 chosenkerrigan wrote:
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On April 30 2012 00:33 Silvertine wrote:
On April 30 2012 00:28 chosenkerrigan wrote:
The only thing that matters is a win. Oh OK Stephano can "compete" with MC, but you know what, he still never won a head-to-head against him. Never. Does that hurt your feelings?

Stating an obvious fact which no one disputes and then asking if it hurts people's feelings for no apparent reason. OK...


My point is if he's never able to edge out a series win against MC for a million times, then he should not be able to "compete" with MC. That's just my definition of "compete" though.


You're wrong in a million ways...if you saw yesterday's game, you'd have understood by now that MC and Stephano had really close games before Stephano started doing weird things(which i think was due to fatigue or boredom).MC also said he enjoyed playing against Stephano since he's a great zerg player(which he compared to DRG b4).That's coming from the same guy who raped so many zergs this year(best PvZ in the world this year).
chosenkerrigan
Profile Joined May 2011
858 Posts
April 29 2012 16:25 GMT
#967
On April 30 2012 01:00 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
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On April 30 2012 00:45 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On April 30 2012 00:33 Silvertine wrote:
On April 30 2012 00:28 chosenkerrigan wrote:
The only thing that matters is a win. Oh OK Stephano can "compete" with MC, but you know what, he still never won a head-to-head against him. Never. Does that hurt your feelings?

Stating an obvious fact which no one disputes and then asking if it hurts people's feelings for no apparent reason. OK...


My point is if he's never able to edge out a series win against MC for a million times, then he should not be able to "compete" with MC. That's just my definition of "compete" though.


You're wrong in a million ways...if you saw yesterday's game, you'd have understood by now that MC and Stephano had really close games before Stephano started doing weird things(which i think was due to fatigue or boredom).MC also said he enjoyed playing against Stephano since he's a great zerg player(which he compared to DRG b4).That's coming from the same guy who raped so many zergs this year(best PvZ in the world this year).


Of course he would say Stephano's a great zerg..are u expecting him to say Stephano sucks? Koreans almost always praise foreigners' skills. That doesn't mean Stephano would be an equally strong opponent for MC. Is it really that hard to understand?
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
April 29 2012 16:27 GMT
#968
I don't understand some of the conclusions people are trying to draw in this thread =/

All this series shows is that in a longer series MC is still better than Stephano in a PvZ, when there is a certain (but not crippling) amount of lag.
Kahlgar
Profile Joined June 2011
411 Posts
April 29 2012 16:35 GMT
#969
yeah fanboys/haters "discussions" are always so much fun and so enlightening, plz keep it up

the spoilers were annoying but great series overall, gz MC
TheDna
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany577 Posts
April 29 2012 16:44 GMT
#970
Wasnt IPL once with TB + Apollo or am i mixing something up?
I was really disappointed when i tuned in and heard these casters
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
April 29 2012 16:57 GMT
#971
Wow... watching the first game, I didn't realize before just how much difference the lag actually made. MC didn't even bother to blink stalkers individually, Stephano didn't move his Infestors away when they got Feedbacked... sure, it's possible that was a mistake, but I doubt he'd make that kind of mistake.
Leth0
Profile Joined February 2012
856 Posts
April 29 2012 17:29 GMT
#972
I'm usually rooting for foreigners in these matchups but TBH I'm glad stephano lost this series , just to wipe that smug look off his face and show him that zerg don't just get to 'win' against toss with the same build. Put him against a toss like MC that really knows how to abuse a zerg and he just loses.
Ylrahc
Profile Joined September 2011
France496 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 17:35:31
April 29 2012 17:35 GMT
#973
Not a bad result for either of the players, Stephano shows he can compete with MC and that he actually CAN take a BO5 out of him (not a BO7 tho ), and MC shows he is MC, with an excellent understanding of the PvZ matchup.

What amuses is people stating Stephano is obviously better than MC and didn't take the match seriously (lol) and others saying MC trashed Stephano and that Stephano didn't stand a chance (ahah). Both of the statements are and wrong and stupid, 5 - 3 is a close result and could have gone either way. MC still has the edge, but for the first time he was threatened GL to him against Polt, his PvT is a bit rocky, let's see what he has in his bags !
Shadow and dust
TheDna
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany577 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 17:41:39
April 29 2012 17:40 GMT
#974
Soo this isnt live damn it... Just put up vods.. Stupid rebroadcasts -_-
ooozer
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany231 Posts
April 29 2012 17:44 GMT
#975
On April 30 2012 02:35 Ylrahc wrote:
Not a bad result for either of the players, Stephano shows he can compete with MC and that he actually CAN take a BO5 out of him (not a BO7 tho ), and MC shows he is MC, with an excellent understanding of the PvZ matchup.

What amuses is people stating Stephano is obviously better than MC and didn't take the match seriously (lol) and others saying MC trashed Stephano and that Stephano didn't stand a chance (ahah). Both of the statements are and wrong and stupid, 5 - 3 is a close result and could have gone either way. MC still has the edge, but for the first time he was threatened GL to him against Polt, his PvT is a bit rocky, let's see what he has in his bags !



And your statement is also wrong. He didn't win a BO5 but lost a BO7. Players play adapt their play to the format. If this would've been a BO5, MC and Stephano would've played different. If it would've been a Bo3, things would've turned out differently. The only fact we know: MC won the series, that's it. He lost nothing but 3 maps to Stephano. This is a big accomplishment and both, fans of Stehpano aswell as MC fans can be proud of the outcome. But still, one palyer wins, the other loses. That's how it rolls
Ylrahc
Profile Joined September 2011
France496 Posts
April 29 2012 17:52 GMT
#976
On April 30 2012 02:44 ooozer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 02:35 Ylrahc wrote:
Not a bad result for either of the players, Stephano shows he can compete with MC and that he actually CAN take a BO5 out of him (not a BO7 tho ), and MC shows he is MC, with an excellent understanding of the PvZ matchup.

What amuses is people stating Stephano is obviously better than MC and didn't take the match seriously (lol) and others saying MC trashed Stephano and that Stephano didn't stand a chance (ahah). Both of the statements are and wrong and stupid, 5 - 3 is a close result and could have gone either way. MC still has the edge, but for the first time he was threatened GL to him against Polt, his PvT is a bit rocky, let's see what he has in his bags !



And your statement is also wrong. He didn't win a BO5 but lost a BO7. Players play adapt their play to the format. If this would've been a BO5, MC and Stephano would've played different. If it would've been a Bo3, things would've turned out differently. The only fact we know: MC won the series, that's it. He lost nothing but 3 maps to Stephano. This is a big accomplishment and both, fans of Stehpano aswell as MC fans can be proud of the outcome. But still, one palyer wins, the other loses. That's how it rolls

Is not. Semantics are important, I stated he can, not that he did
Rest of your post I agree with, it's basically paraphrasing what I said anyway.
Shadow and dust
RageCommodore
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany912 Posts
April 29 2012 17:54 GMT
#977
Great series overall. A lot of different strategies utilized by both guys. I don't really understand all the arguing int his thread though, as this one match pretty much proves nothing (the games were very even overall).
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Amornthep
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore2605 Posts
April 29 2012 17:54 GMT
#978
On April 30 2012 00:42 revel8 wrote:
Seriously, people are still arguing in this thread? LOL


This.
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
April 29 2012 18:21 GMT
#979
On April 30 2012 02:35 Ylrahc wrote:
Not a bad result for either of the players, Stephano shows he can compete with MC and that he actually CAN take a BO5 out of him (not a BO7 tho ), and MC shows he is MC, with an excellent understanding of the PvZ matchup.

What amuses is people stating Stephano is obviously better than MC and didn't take the match seriously (lol) and others saying MC trashed Stephano and that Stephano didn't stand a chance (ahah). Both of the statements are and wrong and stupid, 5 - 3 is a close result and could have gone either way. MC still has the edge, but for the first time he was threatened GL to him against Polt, his PvT is a bit rocky, let's see what he has in his bags !


MC's style doesn't matchup to the current state of PvT at all well. Basically, he likes to dely getting upgrades in favour of putting out more units earlier and trying to get other forms of splash out. Given that PvT is all about trying to get faster upgrades and Protoss is the one trying to defend the 3rd base nowadays, MC's play just doesn't stand up to standard Terrans.

The only thing he's got going for him is his control in PvT. He is the suicide-toss who can lose 0-3 to Ganzi and 1-2 to Virus/Maru, yet be boss enough to go 2-1 against MKP and is one of only 3 Protoss players to take a series off him this year (Parting and Squirtle being the other two).

If Polt plays standard, MC will lose. If Polt plays overly aggressive or overly greedily, MC will pull through.
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
April 29 2012 19:24 GMT
#980
On April 30 2012 02:44 ooozer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 02:35 Ylrahc wrote:
Not a bad result for either of the players, Stephano shows he can compete with MC and that he actually CAN take a BO5 out of him (not a BO7 tho ), and MC shows he is MC, with an excellent understanding of the PvZ matchup.

What amuses is people stating Stephano is obviously better than MC and didn't take the match seriously (lol) and others saying MC trashed Stephano and that Stephano didn't stand a chance (ahah). Both of the statements are and wrong and stupid, 5 - 3 is a close result and could have gone either way. MC still has the edge, but for the first time he was threatened GL to him against Polt, his PvT is a bit rocky, let's see what he has in his bags !



And your statement is also wrong. He didn't win a BO5 but lost a BO7.


Er BO9. LOL
Ylrahc
Profile Joined September 2011
France496 Posts
April 29 2012 19:28 GMT
#981
On April 30 2012 03:21 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 02:35 Ylrahc wrote:
Not a bad result for either of the players, Stephano shows he can compete with MC and that he actually CAN take a BO5 out of him (not a BO7 tho ), and MC shows he is MC, with an excellent understanding of the PvZ matchup.

What amuses is people stating Stephano is obviously better than MC and didn't take the match seriously (lol) and others saying MC trashed Stephano and that Stephano didn't stand a chance (ahah). Both of the statements are and wrong and stupid, 5 - 3 is a close result and could have gone either way. MC still has the edge, but for the first time he was threatened GL to him against Polt, his PvT is a bit rocky, let's see what he has in his bags !


MC's style doesn't matchup to the current state of PvT at all well. Basically, he likes to dely getting upgrades in favour of putting out more units earlier and trying to get other forms of splash out. Given that PvT is all about trying to get faster upgrades and Protoss is the one trying to defend the 3rd base nowadays, MC's play just doesn't stand up to standard Terrans.

The only thing he's got going for him is his control in PvT. He is the suicide-toss who can lose 0-3 to Ganzi and 1-2 to Virus/Maru, yet be boss enough to go 2-1 against MKP and is one of only 3 Protoss players to take a series off him this year (Parting and Squirtle being the other two).

If Polt plays standard, MC will lose. If Polt plays overly aggressive or overly greedily, MC will pull through.

I wish there was a +1 option on TL. Interesting post, thanks !
Shadow and dust
-Kira
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
352 Posts
April 29 2012 20:11 GMT
#982
Is it possible to get those replays from somewhere? Not vods cuz i'd really love to copy MC's build from cloud kingdom.
Daimai
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden762 Posts
April 29 2012 21:44 GMT
#983
Are there vods?
To pray is to accept defeat.
rossi570
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4 Posts
April 29 2012 23:12 GMT
#984
Of course, as always on ipl's twitch channel: http://de.twitch.tv/ignproleague/b/316504828
For the older ones there are even Youtube-Videos up (links on Liquipedia).
esaul17
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada547 Posts
April 30 2012 01:07 GMT
#985
On April 30 2012 03:21 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 02:35 Ylrahc wrote:
Not a bad result for either of the players, Stephano shows he can compete with MC and that he actually CAN take a BO5 out of him (not a BO7 tho ), and MC shows he is MC, with an excellent understanding of the PvZ matchup.

What amuses is people stating Stephano is obviously better than MC and didn't take the match seriously (lol) and others saying MC trashed Stephano and that Stephano didn't stand a chance (ahah). Both of the statements are and wrong and stupid, 5 - 3 is a close result and could have gone either way. MC still has the edge, but for the first time he was threatened GL to him against Polt, his PvT is a bit rocky, let's see what he has in his bags !


MC's style doesn't matchup to the current state of PvT at all well. Basically, he likes to dely getting upgrades in favour of putting out more units earlier and trying to get other forms of splash out. Given that PvT is all about trying to get faster upgrades and Protoss is the one trying to defend the 3rd base nowadays, MC's play just doesn't stand up to standard Terrans.

The only thing he's got going for him is his control in PvT. He is the suicide-toss who can lose 0-3 to Ganzi and 1-2 to Virus/Maru, yet be boss enough to go 2-1 against MKP and is one of only 3 Protoss players to take a series off him this year (Parting and Squirtle being the other two).

If Polt plays standard, MC will lose. If Polt plays overly aggressive or overly greedily, MC will pull through.

MC always seems a bit late to adapt, if he adapts at all. He seems to REALLY try to make his way of playing work before he ventures out into something new. Will be interesting to see if he can bring something new to this FC, as his PvT has looked archaic lately.
Dualx
Profile Joined May 2011
United States101 Posts
April 30 2012 04:36 GMT
#986
On April 30 2012 06:44 Daimai wrote:
Are there vods?

http://www.twitch.tv/ignproleague/b/316504828
Gexs
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia214 Posts
April 30 2012 06:52 GMT
#987
On April 29 2012 14:08 Mortalfury wrote:
Also basing a players skill solely off of GSL results is ridiculous... MVP made it further than MKP but I think most people who have watched SC2 recently would agree MKP is better. GSL is the biggest tournament in starcraft but trying to put a value on round of 16 vs round of 8 or even round of 32 is impossible, Starcraft is a game where even the best players will lose a bo3 to someone they should probably beat... Just because MC faltered in GSL on one night doesn't make him any worse, especially in pvz considering he wasn't eliminated by any zergs! Great games by both players and glad to see MC and Stephano getting along and another Code S player complimenting Stephano's abilities, maybe not the last foreign hope but probably the best (or NaNi)


Thanks Bibbit, I fixed it... Unacceptable mistake really


Recently, yes MKP has looked better than Mvp, but please do remember MKP has never beaten Mvp is a Best of series.
In GodLife we trust.
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
April 30 2012 07:35 GMT
#988
On April 30 2012 15:52 Gexs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 14:08 Mortalfury wrote:
Also basing a players skill solely off of GSL results is ridiculous... MVP made it further than MKP but I think most people who have watched SC2 recently would agree MKP is better. GSL is the biggest tournament in starcraft but trying to put a value on round of 16 vs round of 8 or even round of 32 is impossible, Starcraft is a game where even the best players will lose a bo3 to someone they should probably beat... Just because MC faltered in GSL on one night doesn't make him any worse, especially in pvz considering he wasn't eliminated by any zergs! Great games by both players and glad to see MC and Stephano getting along and another Code S player complimenting Stephano's abilities, maybe not the last foreign hope but probably the best (or NaNi)


Thanks Bibbit, I fixed it... Unacceptable mistake really


Recently, yes MKP has looked better than Mvp, but please do remember MKP has never beaten Mvp is a Best of series.


I'm the biggest Mvp fan ever and I will support him to the day I die but MKP has looked stronger in every MU lately. I would not consider Mvp a favorite in head to head unless MKP has a huge mental block against him.
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Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
April 30 2012 10:36 GMT
#989
lol if anything this showmatch was GREAT for Stephano he now knows his ZvP is weak to Stargate play and can train to improve in that regard...
You forget that previous Stephano wasnt playing top koreans but top protosses in europe and they are nothing to the Korean Protosses!

Should be great to see him after training with korean players more often!! He will be a beast compared to European and Americans then!
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tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
April 30 2012 11:33 GMT
#990
On April 30 2012 03:21 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 02:35 Ylrahc wrote:
Not a bad result for either of the players, Stephano shows he can compete with MC and that he actually CAN take a BO5 out of him (not a BO7 tho ), and MC shows he is MC, with an excellent understanding of the PvZ matchup.

What amuses is people stating Stephano is obviously better than MC and didn't take the match seriously (lol) and others saying MC trashed Stephano and that Stephano didn't stand a chance (ahah). Both of the statements are and wrong and stupid, 5 - 3 is a close result and could have gone either way. MC still has the edge, but for the first time he was threatened GL to him against Polt, his PvT is a bit rocky, let's see what he has in his bags !


MC's style doesn't matchup to the current state of PvT at all well. Basically, he likes to dely getting upgrades in favour of putting out more units earlier and trying to get other forms of splash out. Given that PvT is all about trying to get faster upgrades and Protoss is the one trying to defend the 3rd base nowadays, MC's play just doesn't stand up to standard Terrans.

The only thing he's got going for him is his control in PvT. He is the suicide-toss who can lose 0-3 to Ganzi and 1-2 to Virus/Maru, yet be boss enough to go 2-1 against MKP and is one of only 3 Protoss players to take a series off him this year (Parting and Squirtle being the other two).

If Polt plays standard, MC will lose. If Polt plays overly aggressive or overly greedily, MC will pull through.


Yeah, last time they met Polt crushed him. He's going to need to figure something out against Polt is he's to have a chance.
power-overwhelming
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada306 Posts
April 30 2012 20:39 GMT
#991
On April 30 2012 00:01 Silvertine wrote:

I knew this illogical response would come, I should have preempted it. I was very clearly making the point that a series that starts off 3-2 can not be viewed as utter domination. How you managed to misunderstand that I don't know.


wtf how can a series "starts off 3-2"? You can't just randomly dissect a best of 9 and say "series started 3-2" lol.. fanboys these days
ArcticRaven
Profile Joined August 2011
France1406 Posts
April 30 2012 21:05 GMT
#992
On April 30 2012 01:44 TheDna wrote:
Wasnt IPL once with TB + Apollo or am i mixing something up?
I was really disappointed when i tuned in and heard these casters


Yeah, I felt they missed a lot of things (Stephano goes 11 pool on Sanshorn Mists, then they say it's 15and wonder why MC goes forge first, not nexus, and adds an extra canon -_____________-)
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Mithax
Profile Joined May 2012
Netherlands3 Posts
May 01 2012 14:28 GMT
#993
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