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On April 30 2012 03:21 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 02:35 Ylrahc wrote:Not a bad result for either of the players, Stephano shows he can compete with MC and that he actually CAN take a BO5 out of him (not a BO7 tho  ), and MC shows he is MC, with an excellent understanding of the PvZ matchup. What amuses is people stating Stephano is obviously better than MC and didn't take the match seriously (lol) and others saying MC trashed Stephano and that Stephano didn't stand a chance (ahah). Both of the statements are and wrong and stupid, 5 - 3 is a close result and could have gone either way. MC still has the edge, but for the first time he was threatened  GL to him against Polt, his PvT is a bit rocky, let's see what he has in his bags ! MC's style doesn't matchup to the current state of PvT at all well. Basically, he likes to dely getting upgrades in favour of putting out more units earlier and trying to get other forms of splash out. Given that PvT is all about trying to get faster upgrades and Protoss is the one trying to defend the 3rd base nowadays, MC's play just doesn't stand up to standard Terrans. The only thing he's got going for him is his control in PvT. He is the suicide-toss who can lose 0-3 to Ganzi and 1-2 to Virus/Maru, yet be boss enough to go 2-1 against MKP and is one of only 3 Protoss players to take a series off him this year (Parting and Squirtle being the other two). If Polt plays standard, MC will lose. If Polt plays overly aggressive or overly greedily, MC will pull through.
I wish there was a +1 option on TL. Interesting post, thanks !
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Is it possible to get those replays from somewhere? Not vods cuz i'd really love to copy MC's build from cloud kingdom.
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On April 30 2012 03:21 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 02:35 Ylrahc wrote:Not a bad result for either of the players, Stephano shows he can compete with MC and that he actually CAN take a BO5 out of him (not a BO7 tho ), and MC shows he is MC, with an excellent understanding of the PvZ matchup. What amuses is people stating Stephano is obviously better than MC and didn't take the match seriously (lol) and others saying MC trashed Stephano and that Stephano didn't stand a chance (ahah). Both of the statements are and wrong and stupid, 5 - 3 is a close result and could have gone either way. MC still has the edge, but for the first time he was threatened GL to him against Polt, his PvT is a bit rocky, let's see what he has in his bags ! MC's style doesn't matchup to the current state of PvT at all well. Basically, he likes to dely getting upgrades in favour of putting out more units earlier and trying to get other forms of splash out. Given that PvT is all about trying to get faster upgrades and Protoss is the one trying to defend the 3rd base nowadays, MC's play just doesn't stand up to standard Terrans. The only thing he's got going for him is his control in PvT. He is the suicide-toss who can lose 0-3 to Ganzi and 1-2 to Virus/Maru, yet be boss enough to go 2-1 against MKP and is one of only 3 Protoss players to take a series off him this year (Parting and Squirtle being the other two). If Polt plays standard, MC will lose. If Polt plays overly aggressive or overly greedily, MC will pull through.
MC always seems a bit late to adapt, if he adapts at all. He seems to REALLY try to make his way of playing work before he ventures out into something new. Will be interesting to see if he can bring something new to this FC, as his PvT has looked archaic lately.
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On April 29 2012 14:08 Mortalfury wrote:
Also basing a players skill solely off of GSL results is ridiculous... MVP made it further than MKP but I think most people who have watched SC2 recently would agree MKP is better. GSL is the biggest tournament in starcraft but trying to put a value on round of 16 vs round of 8 or even round of 32 is impossible, Starcraft is a game where even the best players will lose a bo3 to someone they should probably beat... Just because MC faltered in GSL on one night doesn't make him any worse, especially in pvz considering he wasn't eliminated by any zergs! Great games by both players and glad to see MC and Stephano getting along and another Code S player complimenting Stephano's abilities, maybe not the last foreign hope but probably the best (or NaNi)
Thanks Bibbit, I fixed it... Unacceptable mistake really
Recently, yes MKP has looked better than Mvp, but please do remember MKP has never beaten Mvp is a Best of series.
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On April 30 2012 15:52 Gexs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 14:08 Mortalfury wrote:
Also basing a players skill solely off of GSL results is ridiculous... MVP made it further than MKP but I think most people who have watched SC2 recently would agree MKP is better. GSL is the biggest tournament in starcraft but trying to put a value on round of 16 vs round of 8 or even round of 32 is impossible, Starcraft is a game where even the best players will lose a bo3 to someone they should probably beat... Just because MC faltered in GSL on one night doesn't make him any worse, especially in pvz considering he wasn't eliminated by any zergs! Great games by both players and glad to see MC and Stephano getting along and another Code S player complimenting Stephano's abilities, maybe not the last foreign hope but probably the best (or NaNi)
Thanks Bibbit, I fixed it... Unacceptable mistake really Recently, yes MKP has looked better than Mvp, but please do remember MKP has never beaten Mvp is a Best of series.
I'm the biggest Mvp fan ever and I will support him to the day I die but MKP has looked stronger in every MU lately. I would not consider Mvp a favorite in head to head unless MKP has a huge mental block against him.
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lol if anything this showmatch was GREAT for Stephano he now knows his ZvP is weak to Stargate play and can train to improve in that regard...
You forget that previous Stephano wasnt playing top koreans but top protosses in europe and they are nothing to the Korean Protosses!
Should be great to see him after training with korean players more often!! He will be a beast compared to European and Americans then!
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On April 30 2012 03:21 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 02:35 Ylrahc wrote:Not a bad result for either of the players, Stephano shows he can compete with MC and that he actually CAN take a BO5 out of him (not a BO7 tho ), and MC shows he is MC, with an excellent understanding of the PvZ matchup. What amuses is people stating Stephano is obviously better than MC and didn't take the match seriously (lol) and others saying MC trashed Stephano and that Stephano didn't stand a chance (ahah). Both of the statements are and wrong and stupid, 5 - 3 is a close result and could have gone either way. MC still has the edge, but for the first time he was threatened GL to him against Polt, his PvT is a bit rocky, let's see what he has in his bags ! MC's style doesn't matchup to the current state of PvT at all well. Basically, he likes to dely getting upgrades in favour of putting out more units earlier and trying to get other forms of splash out. Given that PvT is all about trying to get faster upgrades and Protoss is the one trying to defend the 3rd base nowadays, MC's play just doesn't stand up to standard Terrans. The only thing he's got going for him is his control in PvT. He is the suicide-toss who can lose 0-3 to Ganzi and 1-2 to Virus/Maru, yet be boss enough to go 2-1 against MKP and is one of only 3 Protoss players to take a series off him this year (Parting and Squirtle being the other two). If Polt plays standard, MC will lose. If Polt plays overly aggressive or overly greedily, MC will pull through.
Yeah, last time they met Polt crushed him. He's going to need to figure something out against Polt is he's to have a chance.
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On April 30 2012 00:01 Silvertine wrote:
I knew this illogical response would come, I should have preempted it. I was very clearly making the point that a series that starts off 3-2 can not be viewed as utter domination. How you managed to misunderstand that I don't know.
wtf how can a series "starts off 3-2"? You can't just randomly dissect a best of 9 and say "series started 3-2" lol.. fanboys these days
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On April 30 2012 01:44 TheDna wrote:Wasnt IPL once with TB + Apollo or am i mixing something up? I was really disappointed when i tuned in and heard these casters 
Yeah, I felt they missed a lot of things (Stephano goes 11 pool on Sanshorn Mists, then they say it's 15and wonder why MC goes forge first, not nexus, and adds an extra canon -_____________-)
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