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On April 29 2012 22:35 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 16:07 FakeDeath wrote:On April 29 2012 15:53 Chunhyang wrote:
Stephano had all to gain, MC all to lose in this match.
In the end, MC got nothing except the certainty that he still "got this". Stephano lost nothing; he's still the best foreigner. But that title may mean just a teensy bit less today. All to gain? Stephano proves that his ZvP can't compete with MC PvZ. What are you talking about watch the first 5 games where Stephano playes his normall ZvP style and he won 3-2. Then he decide to use his spire and baneling builds and he only does that when he is not taking things serious anymore. Stephano just showed the first 5 games he can beat MC
hahah, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
on that level, you can't do the same build over and over. especially different maps. there's a thing called adapting and mind games.
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On April 30 2012 00:28 chosenkerrigan wrote:
The only thing that matters is a win. Oh OK Stephano can "compete" with MC, but you know what, he still never won a head-to-head against him. Never. Does that hurt your feelings?
Stating an obvious fact which no one disputes and then asking if it hurts people's feelings for no apparent reason. OK...
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Seriously, people are still arguing in this thread? LOL
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On April 30 2012 00:33 Silvertine wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 00:28 chosenkerrigan wrote:
The only thing that matters is a win. Oh OK Stephano can "compete" with MC, but you know what, he still never won a head-to-head against him. Never. Does that hurt your feelings? Stating an obvious fact which no one disputes and then asking if it hurts people's feelings for no apparent reason. OK...
My point is if he's never able to edge out a series win against MC for a million times, then he should not be able to "compete" with MC. That's just my definition of "compete" though.
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Is it possible to get the replays somehow?
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On April 30 2012 00:45 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 00:33 Silvertine wrote:On April 30 2012 00:28 chosenkerrigan wrote:
The only thing that matters is a win. Oh OK Stephano can "compete" with MC, but you know what, he still never won a head-to-head against him. Never. Does that hurt your feelings? Stating an obvious fact which no one disputes and then asking if it hurts people's feelings for no apparent reason. OK... My point is if he's never able to edge out a series win against MC for a million times, then he should not be able to "compete" with MC. That's just my definition of "compete" though.
You're wrong in a million ways...if you saw yesterday's game, you'd have understood by now that MC and Stephano had really close games before Stephano started doing weird things(which i think was due to fatigue or boredom).MC also said he enjoyed playing against Stephano since he's a great zerg player(which he compared to DRG b4).That's coming from the same guy who raped so many zergs this year(best PvZ in the world this year).
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On April 30 2012 01:00 Rhaegar_tar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 00:45 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 30 2012 00:33 Silvertine wrote:On April 30 2012 00:28 chosenkerrigan wrote:
The only thing that matters is a win. Oh OK Stephano can "compete" with MC, but you know what, he still never won a head-to-head against him. Never. Does that hurt your feelings? Stating an obvious fact which no one disputes and then asking if it hurts people's feelings for no apparent reason. OK... My point is if he's never able to edge out a series win against MC for a million times, then he should not be able to "compete" with MC. That's just my definition of "compete" though. You're wrong in a million ways...if you saw yesterday's game, you'd have understood by now that MC and Stephano had really close games before Stephano started doing weird things(which i think was due to fatigue or boredom).MC also said he enjoyed playing against Stephano since he's a great zerg player(which he compared to DRG b4).That's coming from the same guy who raped so many zergs this year(best PvZ in the world this year).
Of course he would say Stephano's a great zerg..are u expecting him to say Stephano sucks? Koreans almost always praise foreigners' skills. That doesn't mean Stephano would be an equally strong opponent for MC. Is it really that hard to understand?
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I don't understand some of the conclusions people are trying to draw in this thread =/
All this series shows is that in a longer series MC is still better than Stephano in a PvZ, when there is a certain (but not crippling) amount of lag.
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yeah fanboys/haters "discussions" are always so much fun and so enlightening, plz keep it up
the spoilers were annoying but great series overall, gz MC
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Wasnt IPL once with TB + Apollo or am i mixing something up?
I was really disappointed when i tuned in and heard these casters 
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Wow... watching the first game, I didn't realize before just how much difference the lag actually made. MC didn't even bother to blink stalkers individually, Stephano didn't move his Infestors away when they got Feedbacked... sure, it's possible that was a mistake, but I doubt he'd make that kind of mistake.
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I'm usually rooting for foreigners in these matchups but TBH I'm glad stephano lost this series , just to wipe that smug look off his face and show him that zerg don't just get to 'win' against toss with the same build. Put him against a toss like MC that really knows how to abuse a zerg and he just loses.
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Not a bad result for either of the players, Stephano shows he can compete with MC and that he actually CAN take a BO5 out of him (not a BO7 tho  ), and MC shows he is MC, with an excellent understanding of the PvZ matchup.
What amuses is people stating Stephano is obviously better than MC and didn't take the match seriously (lol) and others saying MC trashed Stephano and that Stephano didn't stand a chance (ahah). Both of the statements are and wrong and stupid, 5 - 3 is a close result and could have gone either way. MC still has the edge, but for the first time he was threatened  GL to him against Polt, his PvT is a bit rocky, let's see what he has in his bags !
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Soo this isnt live damn it... Just put up vods.. Stupid rebroadcasts -_-
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On April 30 2012 02:35 Ylrahc wrote:Not a bad result for either of the players, Stephano shows he can compete with MC and that he actually CAN take a BO5 out of him (not a BO7 tho ), and MC shows he is MC, with an excellent understanding of the PvZ matchup. What amuses is people stating Stephano is obviously better than MC and didn't take the match seriously (lol) and others saying MC trashed Stephano and that Stephano didn't stand a chance (ahah). Both of the statements are and wrong and stupid, 5 - 3 is a close result and could have gone either way. MC still has the edge, but for the first time he was threatened GL to him against Polt, his PvT is a bit rocky, let's see what he has in his bags !
And your statement is also wrong. He didn't win a BO5 but lost a BO7. Players play adapt their play to the format. If this would've been a BO5, MC and Stephano would've played different. If it would've been a Bo3, things would've turned out differently. The only fact we know: MC won the series, that's it. He lost nothing but 3 maps to Stephano. This is a big accomplishment and both, fans of Stehpano aswell as MC fans can be proud of the outcome. But still, one palyer wins, the other loses. That's how it rolls
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On April 30 2012 02:44 ooozer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 02:35 Ylrahc wrote:Not a bad result for either of the players, Stephano shows he can compete with MC and that he actually CAN take a BO5 out of him (not a BO7 tho ), and MC shows he is MC, with an excellent understanding of the PvZ matchup. What amuses is people stating Stephano is obviously better than MC and didn't take the match seriously (lol) and others saying MC trashed Stephano and that Stephano didn't stand a chance (ahah). Both of the statements are and wrong and stupid, 5 - 3 is a close result and could have gone either way. MC still has the edge, but for the first time he was threatened GL to him against Polt, his PvT is a bit rocky, let's see what he has in his bags ! And your statement is also wrong. He didn't win a BO5 but lost a BO7. Players play adapt their play to the format. If this would've been a BO5, MC and Stephano would've played different. If it would've been a Bo3, things would've turned out differently. The only fact we know: MC won the series, that's it. He lost nothing but 3 maps to Stephano. This is a big accomplishment and both, fans of Stehpano aswell as MC fans can be proud of the outcome. But still, one palyer wins, the other loses. That's how it rolls
Is not. Semantics are important, I stated he can, not that he did
Rest of your post I agree with, it's basically paraphrasing what I said anyway.
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Great series overall. A lot of different strategies utilized by both guys. I don't really understand all the arguing int his thread though, as this one match pretty much proves nothing (the games were very even overall).
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On April 30 2012 00:42 revel8 wrote:
Seriously, people are still arguing in this thread? LOL
This.
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On April 30 2012 02:35 Ylrahc wrote:Not a bad result for either of the players, Stephano shows he can compete with MC and that he actually CAN take a BO5 out of him (not a BO7 tho ), and MC shows he is MC, with an excellent understanding of the PvZ matchup. What amuses is people stating Stephano is obviously better than MC and didn't take the match seriously (lol) and others saying MC trashed Stephano and that Stephano didn't stand a chance (ahah). Both of the statements are and wrong and stupid, 5 - 3 is a close result and could have gone either way. MC still has the edge, but for the first time he was threatened GL to him against Polt, his PvT is a bit rocky, let's see what he has in his bags !
MC's style doesn't matchup to the current state of PvT at all well. Basically, he likes to dely getting upgrades in favour of putting out more units earlier and trying to get other forms of splash out. Given that PvT is all about trying to get faster upgrades and Protoss is the one trying to defend the 3rd base nowadays, MC's play just doesn't stand up to standard Terrans.
The only thing he's got going for him is his control in PvT. He is the suicide-toss who can lose 0-3 to Ganzi and 1-2 to Virus/Maru, yet be boss enough to go 2-1 against MKP and is one of only 3 Protoss players to take a series off him this year (Parting and Squirtle being the other two).
If Polt plays standard, MC will lose. If Polt plays overly aggressive or overly greedily, MC will pull through.
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On April 30 2012 02:44 ooozer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 02:35 Ylrahc wrote:Not a bad result for either of the players, Stephano shows he can compete with MC and that he actually CAN take a BO5 out of him (not a BO7 tho ), and MC shows he is MC, with an excellent understanding of the PvZ matchup. What amuses is people stating Stephano is obviously better than MC and didn't take the match seriously (lol) and others saying MC trashed Stephano and that Stephano didn't stand a chance (ahah). Both of the statements are and wrong and stupid, 5 - 3 is a close result and could have gone either way. MC still has the edge, but for the first time he was threatened GL to him against Polt, his PvT is a bit rocky, let's see what he has in his bags ! And your statement is also wrong. He didn't win a BO5 but lost a BO7.
Er BO9. LOL
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