EPT[IPL] FC15: MC vs Stephano - Page 48
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Yaki
France4234 Posts
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On April 29 2012 21:33 Choboo wrote: Does this mean CatsPajamas knew the results before the broadcast? Is the broadcast not live or did CP just know the results for the series that he was going to cast? Seems kind of bad for IPL to tell their casters the results before broadcasting The cast was pre-recorded, they don't cast on weekends. | ||
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Sokao
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http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/sy41x/catspajamas_lies_to_reddit_now_he_reddit_mods_are/ http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/sy40q/mr_catspajamas_is_a_liar_and_reddit_mods_are/ http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/sy1pq/whats_up_with_catspajamas_he_sure_looks_shady_on/ http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/sy2cp/catspajams_lies_and_dismisses_me_as_a_troll_to/ | ||
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On April 29 2012 16:07 FakeDeath wrote: All to gain? Stephano proves that his ZvP can't compete with MC PvZ. What are you talking about watch the first 5 games where Stephano playes his normall ZvP style and he won 3-2. Then he decide to use his spire and baneling builds and he only does that when he is not taking things serious anymore. Stephano just showed the first 5 games he can beat MC | ||
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sitromit
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Olinim
4044 Posts
On April 29 2012 22:35 Benjamin99 wrote: What are you talking about watch the first 5 games where Stephano playes his normall ZvP style and he won 3-2. Then he decide to use his spire and baneling builds and he only does that when he is not taking things serious anymore. Stephano just showed the first 5 games he can beat MC Why would he randomly decide to stop taking things seriously in the middle of a bo9? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45017 Posts
On April 29 2012 19:38 Lasbike wrote: The haters who thought Stephano would get absolutely destroyed 5-0...Where are they ? Oh right, they're still here, talking like MC really won 5-0. Guys, it was 5-3, not 5-0. All games were really close and it was very entertaining to watch. MC is obviously the better player but Stephano definitely gave him a run for his money. I liked the part where MC said "Why are your roach so strong..Stephano's roach". gg wp to both players. Edit : If IGN read this : Please next time use cloaked result maps, thanks. Where's the half of the voters who actually thought Stephano would win, despite him always losing to MC?  Rooting for Stephano and thinking he'll win are two different things. And while I do think that most of the games were very close and entertaining to watch, some of them (like standard 3gate pressure into Stephano just dying) could have been better. Quite frankly, I feel that MC made the games far more interesting than Stephano did. MC was the innovator of the showmatch without a doubt, keeping Stephano on his toes with really smart and interesting play. Cloaked maps are definitely a great idea  and gg wp to both players indeed ^^ | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
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Silvertine
United States509 Posts
On April 29 2012 22:42 sitromit wrote: Does Stephano still think Protoss needs a buff, and Zerg can just play the same opening every game and be safe against everything? Because he didn't look like he was very safe yesterday... He was perfectly safe while using the roach max which is what that was in reference to. It's when he strayed from the standard approach that he had problems, so I don't know what you're talking about. On April 29 2012 22:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Where's the half of the voters who actually thought Stephano would win, despite him always losing to MC? Rooting for Stephano and thinking he'll win are two different things.And predicting someone will win and that someone will dominate are two very different things. | ||
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sitromit
7051 Posts
On April 29 2012 22:58 Silvertine wrote: It's amazing how many people are speaking as if MC outclassed Stephano. The series started out 3-2... if it was a bo5 Stephano would have won. That's not dominating someone by any means and it's worth noting that Stephano used some strange, non-optimal builds towards the end. Had he continued simply going 3 bases + roach maxing he could very well have won. He was perfectly safe while using the roach max which it was that was in reference to. It's when he strayed from the standard approach that he had problems, so I don't know what you're talking about. LOL! Really now? And what exactly was he trying to do in the last game, if not a 3 base Roach push, when MC stopped it with his airplay and counterattacked for the win? He said "I feel bad for Protosses, there's nothing they can do against me, I think Blizzard needs to do something". It sure didn't look like there was nothing MC could do, rather the other way around.. And what you call non-standard.. Do you think he went for the Muta play and the Baneling Bust on those maps for fun? Or was it because he knew his standard Roach play wasn't going to work every time, like it does against Grubby? | ||
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Rhaegar_tar
France847 Posts
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Silvertine
United States509 Posts
On April 29 2012 23:04 sitromit wrote: LOL! Really now? And what exactly was he trying to do in the last game, if not a 3 base Roach push, when MC stopped it with his airplay and counterattacked for the win? Did I claim that Stephano won every single game in which he went standard? They split the games in which there was a roach max, I would say that makes it perfectly safe. He said "I feel bad for Protosses, there's nothing they can do against me, I think Blizzard needs to do something". It sure didn't look like there was nothing MC could do, rather the other way around.. You're implying that there was nothing Stephano could do against MC when the series began 3-2... He's really in a no-win situation when it comes to commenting on balance in ZvP. If he tells the honest truth then people like you will foolishly mock him for narrowly losing to the best protoss player ever. If he instead says that it's perfectly balanced even more protoss players will whine that he's biased and taking undeserved credit for his general domination in the match up. And what you call non-standard.. Do you think he went for the Muta play and the Baneling Bust on those maps for fun? Or was it because he knew his standard Roach play wasn't going to work every time, like it does against Grubby I don't 'call it non-standard'... it is non-standard. And as for his reasons, who knows. He seems like a pretty loose guy though. | ||
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sitromit
7051 Posts
On April 29 2012 23:21 Silvertine wrote: Did I claim that Stephano won every single game in which he went standard? They split the games in which there was a roach max, I would say that makes it perfectly safe. You're implying that there was nothing Stephano could do against MC when the series began 3-2... He's really in a no-win situation when it comes to commenting on balance in ZvP. If he tells the honest truth then people like you will foolishly mock him for narrowly losing to the best protoss player ever. If he instead says that it's perfectly balanced even more protoss players will whine that he's biased and taking undeserved credit for his general domination in the match up. I don't 'call it non-standard'... it is non-standard. And as for his reasons, who knows. He seems like a pretty loose guy though. And you define what's standard? Wasn't Muta play standard against Protoss until recently, when everyone was whining about how it was unbeatable? He went Mutas on that map, because he saw that there was no way he was breaking MCs 3rd with a Roach push with air units out. The Baneling bust, he tried to mix it up, because he saw he couldn't do the same build every time and get away with it, plain and simple.. He's dominant against foreign Protoss.. Since he made his arrogant balance comments, he played against 3 Koreans, won one 2-1, lost the other 2. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45017 Posts
On April 29 2012 22:58 Silvertine wrote: The series started out 3-2... if it was a bo5 Stephano would have won. And if it were a best of 3, MC would have won 2-1. MC winning twice as many games as Stephano! And if it were a best of 1, Stephano would have won 1-0. What a shutout! I really hate when people hypothetically reduce (or extend) the showmatch to a different BoX, because they're just extrapolating results without taking into account the fact that the players may have played differently. The players planned on playing a Best of 9, so they're going to try out certain builds and strategies with this specifically in mind (as opposed to planning for a Bo1 or a Bo5, etc.). Yeah, well, if it were a Best of 31, MC totally would have won every single remaining game after the real Best of 9 ended, making it 16-3 instead of 5-3, so your argument is invalid. | ||
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SiroKO
France721 Posts
Even in the last game, Stephano suicided his whole army of roaches to kill Protoss third and then fend-off MC counter-attack because of Zerg macro mechanics (he lost later on for other reasons). That just shouldn't happen in a serious RTS. Also losing every single infestors in g1 due to silver league control and then coming back due to the fact that Protoss can't beat a too large fleet of broodlords (I wish commentators would shut up about archon toilet being a valid counter to mass broodlords, this has been a desperate move since day 1 and even in my master league this tends to work less and less) was quite funny considering that we keep on hearing about the famous "Protoss deathball" all the time; a deathball which can't hold a candle to the Zerg fleet is not a deathball, it's a jokeball. And to not be accused of total Protoss bias, I have to say that indefinitely forcefielding a ramp while ravaging the main is a bit of a joke that I hope will be fixed in HoTS as well. | ||
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Silvertine
United States509 Posts
On April 29 2012 23:28 sitromit wrote: And you define what's standard? Wasn't Muta play standard against Protoss until recently, when everyone was whining about how it was unbeatable? 'Until recently' being the operative words. The Baneling bust, he tried to mix it up, because he saw he couldn't do the same build every time and get away with it, plain and simple.. A baseless assumption, plain and simple. There is no hard counter to 3 base roach max, so the idea that it's a risky strat he couldn't get away with again is silly. He's dominant against foreign Protoss.. Since he made his arrogant balance comments, he played against 3 Koreans, won one 2-1, lost the other 2. A protoss player outraged that a zerg player said the match up favors zerg. It's just funny to me, what can I say? On April 29 2012 23:39 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: And if it were a best of 3, MC would have won 2-1. MC winning twice as many games as Stephano! And if it were a best of 1, Stephano would have won 1-0. What a shutout! I really hate when people hypothetically reduce (or extend) the showmatch to a different BoX, because they're just extrapolating results without taking into account the fact that the players may have played differently. The players planned on playing a Best of 9, so they're going to try out certain builds and strategies with this specifically in mind (as opposed to planning for a Bo1 or a Bo5, etc.). Yeah, well, if it were a Best of 31, MC totally would have won every single remaining game after the real Best of 9 ended, making it 16-3 instead of 5-3, so your argument is invalid. I knew this illogical response would come, I should have preempted it. I was very clearly making the point that a series that starts off 3-2 can not be viewed as utter domination. How you managed to misunderstand that I don't know. | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On April 29 2012 22:26 Sokao wrote: and now, reddit mods are deleting the proof and posts about Catpajamas's lies and cover up.. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/sy41x/catspajamas_lies_to_reddit_now_he_reddit_mods_are/ http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/sy40q/mr_catspajamas_is_a_liar_and_reddit_mods_are/ http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/sy1pq/whats_up_with_catspajamas_he_sure_looks_shady_on/ http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/sy2cp/catspajams_lies_and_dismisses_me_as_a_troll_to/ Can someone tell me what exactly this was about and what CP posted on Reddit? Every single one of those links has deleted OP. | ||
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FaCE_1
Canada6178 Posts
On April 29 2012 21:26 Sokao wrote: Do you guys remember when Catspajamas asked for donations to move out to the IPL offices? http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/gvi2m/catspajamas_moving_for_ipl_s2/ And then it turned out he actually was quite wealthy and just milked the community for money? http://twitpic.com/5h8ywj It's not the first time he does something shady. those tv could cost liek 500$.. | ||
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nokz88
Brazil1253 Posts
On April 30 2012 00:14 Sein wrote: Can someone tell me what exactly this was about and what CP posted on Reddit? Every single one of those links has deleted OP. probably some bullshit just to start a new witch hunt. Don't bother. | ||
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chosenkerrigan
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