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FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
April 29 2012 07:07 GMT
#901
On April 29 2012 15:53 Chunhyang wrote:
Stephano had all to gain, MC all to lose in this match.

In the end, MC got nothing except the certainty that he still "got this". Stephano lost nothing; he's still the best foreigner. But that title may mean just a teensy bit less today.


All to gain? Stephano proves that his ZvP can't compete with MC PvZ.
Play your best
Ghardo
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Germany1685 Posts
April 29 2012 07:18 GMT
#902
How does leading after 5 matches translate into being unable to compete with MC's PvZ? o_O

In a Bo5 he would have won.
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
April 29 2012 07:18 GMT
#903
On April 29 2012 16:07 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 15:53 Chunhyang wrote:
Stephano had all to gain, MC all to lose in this match.

In the end, MC got nothing except the certainty that he still "got this". Stephano lost nothing; he's still the best foreigner. But that title may mean just a teensy bit less today.


All to gain? Stephano proves that his ZvP can't compete with MC PvZ.


I think he meant, stephano had all to gain because if he won people would be spouting best zvp in world again, but if mc won, nothing would change for him. However, if mc lost it would hurt him more whereas if stephano lost like he did, not much is said.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
April 29 2012 07:36 GMT
#904
On April 29 2012 16:07 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 15:53 Chunhyang wrote:
Stephano had all to gain, MC all to lose in this match.

In the end, MC got nothing except the certainty that he still "got this". Stephano lost nothing; he's still the best foreigner. But that title may mean just a teensy bit less today.


All to gain? Stephano proves that his ZvP can't compete with MC PvZ.


Lose one match 3-5 -> not able to compete.

Flawless logic.
AzureD
Profile Joined September 2010
United States320 Posts
April 29 2012 07:40 GMT
#905
On April 29 2012 16:07 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 15:53 Chunhyang wrote:
Stephano had all to gain, MC all to lose in this match.

In the end, MC got nothing except the certainty that he still "got this". Stephano lost nothing; he's still the best foreigner. But that title may mean just a teensy bit less today.


All to gain? Stephano proves that his ZvP can't compete with MC PvZ.


It is pretty obvious he can compete with him by the fact that he won some games and was leading for a short while.

However these games do not matter that much since they where cross server.
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
April 29 2012 07:59 GMT
#906
On April 29 2012 16:18 Ghardo wrote:
How does leading after 5 matches translate into being unable to compete with MC's PvZ? o_O

In a Bo5 he would have won.


Silly argument. One can easily say MC would have even earlier in Bo3 as well.

The only thing one can take away from this, is that while Stephano isn't better than MC in this matchup, he can still compete with him in it.
Someone call down the Thunder?
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
April 29 2012 08:00 GMT
#907
Nice play by MC! He realized that Stephano's style is basically immune to gateway/gateway immortal pressure but weaker to stargate play and took advantage of it. All credit to Stephano though- the series was close and that's impressive against arguably the best PvZer around at the moment. Definitely a good sign for his code S prospects.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 08:15:50
April 29 2012 08:15 GMT
#908
On April 29 2012 16:59 RaiKageRyu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 16:18 Ghardo wrote:
How does leading after 5 matches translate into being unable to compete with MC's PvZ? o_O

In a Bo5 he would have won.


Silly argument. One can easily say MC would have even earlier in Bo3 as well.

The only thing one can take away from this, is that while Stephano isn't better than MC in this matchup, he can still compete with him in it.


Bo1: Stephano wins
Bo3: MC wins
Bo5: Stephano wins
Bo7: MC wins
Bo9: MC wins

MC's results got better as the series went on due to his experience in the match-up. MC tried a bunch of things against Stephano - immortal expands, two base blink timings, void ray zealot, standard star gate harass, 3 gate, colossi pushes, etc., before deciding that star gate play was the way to go against Stephano. He showcased a huge variety of styles, all of which he performed to a Code S standard.

This is the advantage he had over Stephano - his experience and knowledge. Foreigner players, Stephano included, do not have a variety of styles. They find one that works for them and stick to it. This allows you to take games and matches off of the best Koreans, but when it comes to Bo9s, you're at a disadvantage because whereas they are able to switch styles and experiment, you're stuck to your style and have to hope that they don't have a style that counters yours.

Stephano is the first player who I thought had the ability to play a huge variety of styles because he learns and adapts quickly, but he has to get over his refusal to practice 10-12+ hours a day because practicing 3-4 hours a day just won't cut it when you're traveling to tournaments all the time - you don't have the time to practice a huge variety of styles and have to rely on a few, which is what Stephano does.
markanton49
Profile Joined March 2012
20 Posts
April 29 2012 08:33 GMT
#909
ouch i missed this, any replays, vods links please ?
markanton49
Profile Joined March 2012
20 Posts
April 29 2012 08:35 GMT
#910
http://www.twitch.tv/ignproleague/b/316504828, found myself woot
JohnMatrix
Profile Joined April 2011
France1358 Posts
April 29 2012 08:46 GMT
#911
What were the best games of the series ?
masakenji
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia415 Posts
April 29 2012 09:16 GMT
#912
On April 29 2012 16:18 Ghardo wrote:
How does leading after 5 matches translate into being unable to compete with MC's PvZ? o_O

In a Bo5 he would have won.


this is one of those dumb statement that flies around here in this forum.

if it was bo5, both players would be prepared for such.
Shaddar
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
675 Posts
April 29 2012 09:20 GMT
#913
Thank God MC won, nice play by him. Hopefully some of the Stephano fanboys will calm down a bit now, he's good but way overhyped.
Why is Check 6 afraid of Infinity Seven? Because Infinity Seven Team 8 Day [9]
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
April 29 2012 09:24 GMT
#914
I really hope stephano studies those games and works on his pvz, at the top korean lvl it seems like the old 11 minute roach max just doesn't work
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3071 Posts
April 29 2012 09:37 GMT
#915
On April 29 2012 18:20 Shaddar wrote:
Thank God MC won, nice play by him. Hopefully some of the Stephano fanboys will calm down a bit now, he's good but way overhyped.


losing to arguably the best protoss in the world 3-5 in a best of 9 doesn't mean he's overhyped. lol.
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
April 29 2012 09:37 GMT
#916
On April 29 2012 17:35 markanton49 wrote:
http://www.twitch.tv/ignproleague/b/316504828, found myself woot


You sir have made my day, I been looking for it ! Thankyou kind sir for sharing link! xD

I couldnt care who won, I just wanted good games and from the last couple matches I saw live thats what we got.

MC and Stephano WON today.
*burp*
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
April 29 2012 09:43 GMT
#917
On April 29 2012 18:37 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 18:20 Shaddar wrote:
Thank God MC won, nice play by him. Hopefully some of the Stephano fanboys will calm down a bit now, he's good but way overhyped.


losing to arguably the best protoss in the world 3-5 in a best of 9 doesn't mean he's overhyped. lol.

Don't bother. Some people hate a player because of their fans. It's like hating a country for its inhabitants it's low and shows a great deal of ignorance (also that's called being xenophobic), in the General Discussion that is frown upon but here you are free to insult anyone as long as you use the word fanboy.
Shaddar
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
675 Posts
April 29 2012 09:43 GMT
#918
On April 29 2012 18:37 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 18:20 Shaddar wrote:
Thank God MC won, nice play by him. Hopefully some of the Stephano fanboys will calm down a bit now, he's good but way overhyped.


losing to arguably the best protoss in the world 3-5 in a best of 9 doesn't mean he's overhyped. lol.


Im not just saying that based on this result
Why is Check 6 afraid of Infinity Seven? Because Infinity Seven Team 8 Day [9]
Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 09:50:39
April 29 2012 09:50 GMT
#919
god people make me laugh, yes how bad is Stephano losing to MC..... hahahah. Sorry this wasnt somescrub, this was MC.... MC you know who is a great pvZ player, has the experience of where he shows up quite often after sometimesperforming bad... nothing wrong with losing to MC at all....

people are tlaking like he lost 5-0.... and no games were close... lol
Live and Let Die!
drbrown
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden442 Posts
April 29 2012 10:07 GMT
#920
On April 29 2012 16:07 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 15:53 Chunhyang wrote:
Stephano had all to gain, MC all to lose in this match.

In the end, MC got nothing except the certainty that he still "got this". Stephano lost nothing; he's still the best foreigner. But that title may mean just a teensy bit less today.


All to gain? Stephano proves that his ZvP can't compete with MC PvZ.


How does losing 3-5 translate into not being able to compete? He couldn't beat MCs PvZ in a Bo9 but he certainly competed for it, for example if it were a Bo5 he would've won and winning a Bo5 is still pretty legit.
I'm probably being ironic
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