EPT[IPL] FC15: MC vs Stephano - Page 45
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
On April 29 2012 13:08 Olinim wrote: Well it seems Polt is the next opponent. But Losira would be good choice for the following one in my opinion as well. To bad, understandible for IPL sinds Polt is all popular now but meh. | ||
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Stancel
Singapore15360 Posts
On April 29 2012 11:50 SomeONEx wrote: Foreign hope losing to a player that got knocked out of ro16! ... have you seen Stephano and MC's head to head record? I don't remember it exactly, but it was heavily in MC's favor even before this IPL FC. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46020 Posts
On April 29 2012 13:14 DoNotDisturb wrote: ... have you seen Stephano and MC's head to head record? I don't remember it exactly, but it was heavily in MC's favor even before this IPL FC. I think the record is something like "MC wins every time" to zero. Plus, MC getting knocked out of the round of 16... so what? What round of the GSL did Stephano get knocked out of?  Comparing their GSL success is hilarious. | ||
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ShakaZu.Sc2
United States131 Posts
Thanks Bibbit, I fixed it... Unacceptable mistake really | ||
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Sroobz
United States1377 Posts
On April 29 2012 14:08 Mortalfury wrote: Also basing a players skill solely off of GSL results is ridiculous... MVP made it further than MKP but I think most people would agree MKP is better. GSL is the biggest tournament in starcraft but trying to put a value on round of 16 vs round of 8 or even round of 32 is impossible, Starcraft is a game where even the best players will lose a bo3 to someone they should probably beat... Just because MC faltered in GSL on one night doesn't make any worse, especially considering he wasn't eliminated by any zergs uhh hell no. Most people would NOT agree that MKP is better than Mvp. | ||
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blizzind
United States642 Posts
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
On April 29 2012 14:10 Sroobz wrote: uhh hell no. Most people would NOT agree that MKP is better than Mvp. Yeah he should have rephrased. Most people who have watched sc2 recently would agree that MKP is better than MVP. Easy fix. | ||
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Tipany
United States368 Posts
On April 29 2012 13:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I think the record is something like "MC wins every time" to zero. Plus, MC getting knocked out of the round of 16... so what? What round of the GSL did Stephano get knocked out of? Comparing their GSL success is hilarious. I think the point was that a foreigner so good as to be called the "Foreign hope" lost to someone who didn't even reach the previous GSL Ro8. It's not a matter of comparing the two in terms of GSL success -_- | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On April 29 2012 14:13 Tipany wrote: I think the point was that a foreigner so good as to be called the "Foreign hope" lost to someone who didn't even reach the previous GSL Ro8. It's not a matter of comparing the two in terms of GSL success -_- MC has the best PvZ record of all Korean Protosses in 2012. He lost in the GSL to Protosses and Terrans. This showmatch was between the best PvZ in Korea and the best ZvP in the foreigner's scene. Trying to play down MC is ignorant. Squirtle is around the same level, but that's about it. Stephano has smashed JYP and Ret has smashed Genius, the two other PvZ experts in Korea. Oz is up there too, but he's a bit streaky in the match up. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46020 Posts
On April 29 2012 14:13 Tipany wrote: I think the point was that a foreigner so good as to be called the "Foreign hope" lost to someone who didn't even reach the previous GSL Ro8. It's not a matter of comparing the two in terms of GSL success -_- If that's the case, then I find that point to be rather silly, considering it's rather well established that there are certainly at least 8 Koreans better than any foreigner at any point in the history of SC2 (unless we want to talk about a GSL run, where Ro8 foreigners are Foreigner Hopes by this seemingly arbitrary standard, since the GSL is the most prestigious SC2 tournament... but then Stephano has never been a real Foreigner Hope). I don't really like using the term "Foreigner Hope" anyway  | ||
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Talack
Canada2742 Posts
On April 29 2012 14:10 Sroobz wrote: uhh hell no. Most people would NOT agree that MKP is better than Mvp. Currently MKP is better than MVP. Once MVP gets his wrist issues fixed we'll see, MKP has improved a ton. | ||
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jkang
United States404 Posts
On April 29 2012 11:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: apparantly people that don't watch MC's games still think he ONLY use 2 base all-ins.Why do you say this? He won one game with a 1base 3gateway pressure, another game with 3bases and blink stalker vs. mass muta, and that last game off a fast three bases... and I don't even remember the other two wins offhand (at least, how many bases he had)... so the majority of MC's wins were not off two bases. | ||
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tuho12345
4482 Posts
On April 29 2012 14:10 Sroobz wrote: uhh hell no. Most people would NOT agree that MKP is better than Mvp. uh fuck no. When MVP at his prime, no one even close to his domination. | ||
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Dexington
Canada7276 Posts
On April 29 2012 15:03 tuho12345 wrote: uh fuck no. When MVP at his prime, no one even close to his domination. I'd find it hard to argue against MKP being the best Terran right now | ||
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usethis2
2164 Posts
On April 29 2012 14:10 Sroobz wrote: uhh hell no. Most people would NOT agree that MKP is better than Mvp. MKP has completely evolved to a different animal this year. I would put my money on him than on MVP in any tournament. Not only MKP does have superior unit control than MVP, MKP's macro has become a total beast. Only weakness which I though he has overcome seems to be, his nerves. He still tends to tilt (usually overcomitting) after a frustrating loss. MVP is kind of like DRG. Both prefer safe macro style, which I appreciate, but there style gives too much away for their opponents to exploit. In the current state of SC2, you need to mix it up and apply pressure, while being able to macro. You can't simply macro perfectly and expect to win because the aggressor will almost always take the initiative. Unless the aggressor botches the attacks horribly or fails at macro, s/he will have the advantage for the large part of the game. As far as I remember, rushers tends to be more succesful in RTS, against the conventional wisdom of defender's advantage. Early attacks not only can disrupt the game plan of macro-opening, but also brings out mistakes from the defender due to psychological stress. | ||
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
On April 29 2012 14:12 Bibbit wrote: Yeah he should have rephrased. Most people who have watched sc2 recently would agree that MKP is better than MVP. Easy fix. in his current state sure, mkp is better, mvp as long as he can put the time in to practice tho is fairly hard to beat.. they are different tho. MKP is more like speed and raw talent whereas MVP is just solid play with sound decisions. personally i prefer MVP to MKP but sadly MVP can't really keep up the practice regimen with medical problems in the way T_T | ||
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
He is THE ALL-TIME MONEY WINNER IN SC2 HISTORY. The most recent GSL is just one data point in a volatile sport. | ||
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Chunhyang
Bangladesh1389 Posts
In the end, MC got nothing except the certainty that he still "got this". Stephano lost nothing; he's still the best foreigner. But that title may mean just a teensy bit less today. | ||
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
On April 29 2012 15:16 sc14s wrote: in his current state sure, mkp is better, mvp as long as he can put the time in to practice tho is fairly hard to beat.. they are different tho. MKP is more like speed and raw talent whereas MVP is just solid play with sound decisions. personally i prefer MVP to MKP but sadly MVP can't really keep up the practice regimen with medical problems in the way T_T Lol what? MVP at last year had the best micro/macro + decision making. Thats why he was so dominant. You don't get to win almost every major tournament within a 3 month period if you just have "solid play with sound decisions". Sure MVP's macro and micro isn't as good as it used to be or have been overtaken by others, but don't make him sound like a Supernova when his period of dominance was still the most dominant in the history of the game so far. | ||
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