Great set of games. I was hoping that Stephano would win, as I lean more towards Zerg. I must admit though that losing to MC after saying protoss needs a buff in the matchup is quite ironic and hilarious.
I think Stephano's biggest weakness is his weak muta play. That game he went mutas he had complete map control and was on six bases, but lost because he failed to transition, failed to slow down MC's economy, and failed to engage and base trade correctly. I know he hates mutas, but mutas and banelings are the missing piece of his ZvP.
On April 29 2012 11:20 Hulavuta wrote: Just want to say, I predicted MC 5-3 and I was right :DDDDD
I actually think MC's PvZ is better than Squirtle's...MC's only lost 2 series this entire year, against Violet and DRG.
Pretty sure no Protoss in the world understands the late game nearly as good as Squirtle. Most people just haven't gotten to see this and won't get to see this until some zergs actually step it up in the GSL. =(
On April 29 2012 11:33 Azarkon wrote: I think Stephano's biggest weakness is his weak muta play. That game he went mutas he had complete map control and a flourishing economy on six bases, but lost because he failed to transition, failed to slow down MC's economy, and failed to engage and base trade correctly. I know he hates mutas, but mutas and banelings are the missing piece of his ZvP.
yeah
i know people hate idras zvp, but idras transitions after muta (recently ofc, like past few weeks) have been stellar, looked a little better then what stephano was up to that game.
On April 29 2012 11:27 jnsjr wrote: Great set of games. I was hoping that Stephano would win, as I lean more towards Zerg. I must admit though that losing to MC after saying protoss needs a buff in the matchup is quite ironic and hilarious.
No, it's not ironic, unless you didn't pay attention to what he was saying... He didn't say "Protoss absolutely cannot win and I expect to have a 100% win rate against them", he said "Protoss are forced into risky play while Zerg can play much safer". So losing to the King of gimmicky bullshit does nothing to disprove what he said.
On April 29 2012 11:20 Hulavuta wrote: Just want to say, I predicted MC 5-3 and I was right :DDDDD
I actually think MC's PvZ is better than Squirtle's...MC's only lost 2 series this entire year, against Violet and DRG.
Pretty sure no Protoss in the world understands the late game nearly as good as Squirtle. Most people just haven't gotten to see this and won't get to see this until some zergs actually step it up in the GSL. =(
I think recently in the korean metagame the 2 or 3 base timings are really strong so it makes zerg players look quite silly (not crying imba, just that its a recent trend that toss is the dominator, lots of small wacky things that the gsl zergs arent correctly dealing with, and im not going to go with the hivemind and say its that the zergs are playing bad
On April 29 2012 11:27 jnsjr wrote: Great set of games. I was hoping that Stephano would win, as I lean more towards Zerg. I must admit though that losing to MC after saying protoss needs a buff in the matchup is quite ironic and hilarious.
No, it's not ironic, unless you didn't pay attention to what he was saying... He didn't say "Protoss absolutely cannot win and I expect to have a 100% win rate against them", he said "Protoss are forced into risky play while Zerg can play much safer". So losing to the King of gimmicky bullshit does nothing to disprove what he said.
your stupid, MC pvz is solid as a rock, and im not commenting on the disprove/prove thing you guys are posting on, but MC metagamed and outplayed Stephano, showing his series and gameplay is better, with hte only real gimick he did was the 3 gate which tricked the zerg who doesnt scout and doesn't get gas
Stephano does have to switch it up with better all-ins instead of the poorly practiced ones he put out this series. MC meta-gamed him with 17 nexus 5 games straight and 3 gate one game, though his star gate play was what won him the series.
On April 29 2012 11:27 jnsjr wrote: Great set of games. I was hoping that Stephano would win, as I lean more towards Zerg. I must admit though that losing to MC after saying protoss needs a buff in the matchup is quite ironic and hilarious.
No, it's not ironic, unless you didn't pay attention to what he was saying... He didn't say "Protoss absolutely cannot win and I expect to have a 100% win rate against them", he said "Protoss are forced into risky play while Zerg can play much safer". So losing to the King of gimmicky bullshit does nothing to disprove what he said.
your stupid, MC pvz is solid as a rock, and im not commenting on the disprove/prove thing you guys are posting on, but MC metagamed and outplayed Stephano, showing his series and gameplay is better, with hte only real gimick he did was the 3 gate which tricked the zerg who doesnt scout and doesn't get gas
Yes, I think stephano is amazing player, but protoss that are smart are punishing him for cutting corners and playing to beat the roach style, and the cheese he mixes in are reminiscent of how bad idra's allins are, example- THorzain vs Idra NASL, Antiga SHipyard.
edit: or was it IdrA vs Alive? I can not remember, he did a roach bane allin and lost horribly
On April 29 2012 11:27 jnsjr wrote: Great set of games. I was hoping that Stephano would win, as I lean more towards Zerg. I must admit though that losing to MC after saying protoss needs a buff in the matchup is quite ironic and hilarious.
No, it's not ironic, unless you didn't pay attention to what he was saying... He didn't say "Protoss absolutely cannot win and I expect to have a 100% win rate against them", he said "Protoss are forced into risky play while Zerg can play much safer". So losing to the King of gimmicky bullshit does nothing to disprove what he said.
your stupid, MC pvz is solid as a rock, and im not commenting on the disprove/prove thing you guys are posting on, but MC metagamed and outplayed Stephano, showing his series and gameplay is better, with hte only real gimick he did was the 3 gate which tricked the zerg who doesnt scout and doesn't get gas
No your stupid.
Wow good post, You say that me calling you on saying MC is doing gimmicks w/o thought is because Stephano doesnt scout is stupid.
On April 29 2012 11:27 jnsjr wrote: Great set of games. I was hoping that Stephano would win, as I lean more towards Zerg. I must admit though that losing to MC after saying protoss needs a buff in the matchup is quite ironic and hilarious.
No, it's not ironic, unless you didn't pay attention to what he was saying... He didn't say "Protoss absolutely cannot win and I expect to have a 100% win rate against them", he said "Protoss are forced into risky play while Zerg can play much safer". So losing to the King of gimmicky bullshit does nothing to disprove what he said.
your stupid, MC pvz is solid as a rock, and im not commenting on the disprove/prove thing you guys are posting on, but MC metagamed and outplayed Stephano, showing his series and gameplay is better, with hte only real gimick he did was the 3 gate which tricked the zerg who doesnt scout and doesn't get gas
No your stupid.
Wow good post, You say that me calling you on saying MC is doing gimmicks w/o thought is because Stephano doesnt scout is stupid.
Don't bother with the fanboys. The guy with no real results against top tier players is obviously better than the 2 time GSL champion and all time money list leader (including $50k in 2012).
On April 29 2012 11:27 jnsjr wrote: Great set of games. I was hoping that Stephano would win, as I lean more towards Zerg. I must admit though that losing to MC after saying protoss needs a buff in the matchup is quite ironic and hilarious.
No, it's not ironic, unless you didn't pay attention to what he was saying... He didn't say "Protoss absolutely cannot win and I expect to have a 100% win rate against them", he said "Protoss are forced into risky play while Zerg can play much safer". So losing to the King of gimmicky bullshit does nothing to disprove what he said.
your stupid, MC pvz is solid as a rock, and im not commenting on the disprove/prove thing you guys are posting on, but MC metagamed and outplayed Stephano, showing his series and gameplay is better, with hte only real gimick he did was the 3 gate which tricked the zerg who doesnt scout and doesn't get gas
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