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Everyone knows the drill by now.

Keep it manner and have a good time.

We'll be watching along with you.
HGurryp
Profile Joined July 2011
275 Posts
April 08 2012 12:23 GMT
#9661
On April 08 2012 21:18 TaKemE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 21:16 leo23 wrote:
16 zealots, 6 stalkers, 6 hts and 1 warp prism vs... 3 marauders and 6 vikings. both players on 2 1/2 mining bases. It was over... simply put those zealots would not die to the units coming out of the ~12 rax.

It sucks to see a situation like this because the finals are now tainted forever and who knows what would the outcome of the match be if parting got the win.

Hopefully we see a reconnect feature from blizzard in the future.


Those zealots would die if he pulls scv's to block.


Zealots with 2/2 doesnt die for SCVS, now Scvs > Zealots, Stalkers,HT, and with a warprism in the mkp base. MKP FANS FTW, i should start make mass scvs against mass zealots.
leo23
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3075 Posts
April 08 2012 12:24 GMT
#9662
On April 08 2012 21:18 TaKemE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 21:16 leo23 wrote:
16 zealots, 6 stalkers, 6 hts and 1 warp prism vs... 3 marauders and 6 vikings. both players on 2 1/2 mining bases. It was over... simply put those zealots would not die to the units coming out of the ~12 rax.

It sucks to see a situation like this because the finals are now tainted forever and who knows what would the outcome of the match be if parting got the win.

Hopefully we see a reconnect feature from blizzard in the future.


Those zealots would die if he pulls scv's to block.


What about the storms, etc.?

It's a tough situation because we do not account for micro and possible choke from players but...

http://i.imgur.com/eQRd4.jpg

the army value says it all.

Once again I am sad this has happened since this has tainted these finals and I wish there was a better solution than regaming or awarding the win to someone (implement a reconnect feature)
banelings
karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-08 12:26:36
April 08 2012 12:25 GMT
#9663
On April 08 2012 21:23 S_SienZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 21:22 karpo wrote:
On April 08 2012 21:18 TaKemE wrote:
On April 08 2012 21:16 leo23 wrote:
16 zealots, 6 stalkers, 6 hts and 1 warp prism vs... 3 marauders and 6 vikings. both players on 2 1/2 mining bases. It was over... simply put those zealots would not die to the units coming out of the ~12 rax.

It sucks to see a situation like this because the finals are now tainted forever and who knows what would the outcome of the match be if parting got the win.

Hopefully we see a reconnect feature from blizzard in the future.


Those zealots would for die if he pulls scv's to block.


And if he pulled SCVs he would be even further behind as he would lose mining time, long term economy, AND the three rax+tech labs that Parting was destroying right when the game dropped.

As i calculated earlier, MKP could be building 21 food at max and 2-4 of that were in the rax that Parting was camping. 19-17 food is like 4 marauders and 9 marines, or perhaps 2 medivacs and 4 marauders 5 marines, still a weak force tbh.


Terran bio forces are best v Protoss (esp w/o AOE) in those small numbers though. You can't just compare numbers assuming linear scaling.


Yeah they do well in small groups in the early/mid game but not so much against fully upgraded chargelots. Not even mentioning the fact that the warp prism was out of reach for the vikings and he could harass or reinforce IN MKPs base. And if the HT's were at the watchtower you'd have potential storms or Archons ready in the time it would take MKP to reinforce with that small MM army.
leo23
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3075 Posts
April 08 2012 12:26 GMT
#9664
On April 08 2012 21:23 HGurryp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 21:18 TaKemE wrote:
On April 08 2012 21:16 leo23 wrote:
16 zealots, 6 stalkers, 6 hts and 1 warp prism vs... 3 marauders and 6 vikings. both players on 2 1/2 mining bases. It was over... simply put those zealots would not die to the units coming out of the ~12 rax.

It sucks to see a situation like this because the finals are now tainted forever and who knows what would the outcome of the match be if parting got the win.

Hopefully we see a reconnect feature from blizzard in the future.


Those zealots would die if he pulls scv's to block.


Zealots with 2/2 doesnt die for SCVS, now Scvs > Zealots, Stalkers,HT, and with a warprism in the mkp base. MKP FANS FTW, i should start make mass scvs against mass zealots.


I believe he is talking about block micro: Stopping scvs in front of zealots and mess with the AI. Please don't blindly call people MKP fans when we are having a discussion here
banelings
Akhee
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil811 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-08 12:28:33
April 08 2012 12:27 GMT
#9665
On April 08 2012 21:03 Rokevo wrote:
If this doesnt light a fire under blizzards ass to give us LAN, then I dont know what will.

I'm not angry at MKP/Prime, i'm not even angry at the GOM referee(although I disagree with the decision), but these finals became a joke after the disconnect.


agreed, I didn't enjoy so much the finals, not so much history, getting to not so much hype, bad mics, the only thing saving them were wolfdor with wolf doing so well to keep everything ok, but definitely after the disconnected it felt everything was untrue

also, people should bring more discussion about the all kill format, the disconnect made it even worse for this format cause 1 match means everything, i can be wrong but ive never seen any poll about all kill x ace format, we have to feel free to do it since Gom actually listen to the public
karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-08 12:28:24
April 08 2012 12:27 GMT
#9666
Maybe they were just scared of a full shitstorm if they gave the win to the less hyped player? MKP must be the most popular korean at the moment and judges granting his opponent a win might not be a popular decision.
noddy
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom927 Posts
April 08 2012 12:30 GMT
#9667
I doubt it's a conspiracy just because MarineKing is more liked.
Akhee
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil811 Posts
April 08 2012 12:31 GMT
#9668
oh, but after saying bad things i have to say I loved they put the VOD so fast, ty IGN
karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
April 08 2012 12:31 GMT
#9669
On April 08 2012 21:30 noddy wrote:
I doubt it's a conspiracy just because MarineKing is more liked.


I'm not talking about a conspiracy. Just that GOM seem to cater to the public and issuing a rematch is a easier choice than giving the win to one of the players.
noddy
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom927 Posts
April 08 2012 12:33 GMT
#9670
On April 08 2012 21:31 karpo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 21:30 noddy wrote:
I doubt it's a conspiracy just because MarineKing is more liked.


I'm not talking about a conspiracy. Just that GOM seem to cater to the public and issuing a rematch is a easier choice than giving the win to one of the players.


I think issuing a rematch is an easier choice regardless of the player to be honest. This is Starcraft 2, anything can happen(especially with a 20 supply deficient)

I just hope they'll release the replay so people can stop linking a stupid screenshot which doesn't prove anything
AysiktiriX
Profile Joined June 2011
358 Posts
April 08 2012 12:34 GMT
#9671
On April 08 2012 21:21 Biane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 21:16 AysiktiriX wrote:
I have to say - the controversial game and the following MKP win made me go to bed. Ok, it wasn't over, but MKP had 10, maybe 15% at max chance to turn the things around.
However, bitching about this isn't why I am here. I am here to ask a question. I thought a much about what decision could be made in that situation - something not in the rulebook, something just for a situation like this. Here is what I came up with, please state your opinions on it.:
For me, the best decision would have been -
1 - both players lose their spots and can't be picked up
2 - result stays the same
3 - the team, which was in the disadvantageous position states who their next player will be
4 - the other team then picks their player and the map


Sounds like a good compromise for that particular situation especially with regards to time (since the other fair compromise that has been suggested was the "make it a Bo3 with Parting having the advantage")

that said, both teams loose their key player. For the sake of discussion, what if it was BboongBboongs vs Parting and the DC happen? taking out both BB(who is a "less skilled" player) and Parting (who is a key player for ST)? Wouldnt be that fair for ST.


Yeah, I thought about it as a compromise for exact this situation, in this tourney, I can't think of a compromise if Parting was winning like this vs "less hyped" player and they dc-ed.
Cloudsong
Profile Joined October 2010
Luxembourg69 Posts
April 08 2012 12:35 GMT
#9672
Love the venue, great show yesterday even though MKP shouldve remade the game, he was way behind...
GG
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12771 Posts
April 08 2012 12:36 GMT
#9673
On April 08 2012 21:31 karpo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 21:30 noddy wrote:
I doubt it's a conspiracy just because MarineKing is more liked.


I'm not talking about a conspiracy. Just that GOM seem to cater to the public and issuing a rematch is a easier choice than giving the win to one of the players.

No matter who the players are referees always tend to regame instead of giving the win to a player. If one player was winning 80% sure they'll regame
WriterMaru
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-08 12:45:09
April 08 2012 12:36 GMT
#9674
On April 08 2012 21:24 leo23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 21:18 TaKemE wrote:
On April 08 2012 21:16 leo23 wrote:
16 zealots, 6 stalkers, 6 hts and 1 warp prism vs... 3 marauders and 6 vikings. both players on 2 1/2 mining bases. It was over... simply put those zealots would not die to the units coming out of the ~12 rax.

It sucks to see a situation like this because the finals are now tainted forever and who knows what would the outcome of the match be if parting got the win.

Hopefully we see a reconnect feature from blizzard in the future.


Those zealots would die if he pulls scv's to block.


What about the storms, etc.?

It's a tough situation because we do not account for micro and possible choke from players but...

http://i.imgur.com/eQRd4.jpg

the army value says it all.

Once again I am sad this has happened since this has tainted these finals and I wish there was a better solution than regaming or awarding the win to someone (implement a reconnect feature)


Yes, it says that MarineKing was at a massive disadvantage. It says that 9 times out of 10, Parting wins in that situation.

You may think that's enough to award a straight up win but apparently that's not what the GOM officials think and I would agree with not giving Parting a win there unless they extended the set to a Bo3 with Parting one game up.

Sucks for StarTale that they didn't do that, but oh well.
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
April 08 2012 12:45 GMT
#9675
You really can't give a win just because the chances of losing are slim. It simply has to be a regame.

It's an awful, awful situation. It really has hugely tainted the finals and entire GSTL season. Doesn't change the fact that awarding a win would have been the wrong decision.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
Ripper41
Profile Joined July 2011
284 Posts
April 08 2012 12:47 GMT
#9676
On April 08 2012 21:45 FuzzyJAM wrote:
You really can't give a win just because the chances of losing are slim. It simply has to be a regame.

It's an awful, awful situation. It really has hugely tainted the finals and entire GSTL season. Doesn't change the fact that awarding a win would have been the wrong decision.

well you're taking a win cuz the game was completed then. see it any way you want.
SC2ShoWTimE
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany722 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-08 12:56:04
April 08 2012 12:55 GMT
#9677
On April 08 2012 21:33 noddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 21:31 karpo wrote:
On April 08 2012 21:30 noddy wrote:
I doubt it's a conspiracy just because MarineKing is more liked.


I'm not talking about a conspiracy. Just that GOM seem to cater to the public and issuing a rematch is a easier choice than giving the win to one of the players.


I think issuing a rematch is an easier choice regardless of the player to be honest. This is Starcraft 2, anything can happen(especially with a 20 supply deficient)

I just hope they'll release the replay so people can stop linking a stupid screenshot which doesn't prove anything


you do realizie that the vods are already up, right? you have basically every information you could also see in the replay, so i dont get this point.

- both players are on 5 bases
- both players around 70 workers
- parting is 30 supply up while destroying some of the production facilities of mkp
- equal upgrades
- both have nearly no ressources in the bank

what else is there to consider?

all of the complaints could have been prevented by simply giving a reasonable explanation for why they think a regame is the best solution even though one player is in an advantageous position. of course people will complain otherwise.
Progamer
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-08 13:05:31
April 08 2012 13:05 GMT
#9678
lol so great to see the game drop with browder and morhaime in the audience

Best timing ever. Hopefully they'll realize how bad it is.
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
hstq
Profile Joined July 2011
Czech Republic26 Posts
April 08 2012 13:07 GMT
#9679
I turned off stream after MKP vs Bomber ... Startale was by that point much better team in my eyes. That disconnect, wrong (more populistic - MKP is fans' favourite, right?) decision by ref. Bomber holded that push from MKP so incredibly good! Getting ahead with so good drop play and then lose the game i don't know why. He had same army size with eco twice better than MKP's and he went for basetrade? wtf? Before the match i though Prime is gonna win, but i liked ST much more in this match. Such a shame that disconnect and Bomber's huge mistake after game where he played absolutely amazingly, ruined this finals.
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HGurryp
Profile Joined July 2011
275 Posts
April 08 2012 13:09 GMT
#9680
On April 08 2012 22:05 Senx wrote:
lol so great to see the game drop with browder and morhaime in the audience

Best timing ever. Hopefully they'll realize how bad it is.


nice, Startale is so happy because this.
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