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Everyone knows the drill by now.

Keep it manner and have a good time.

We'll be watching along with you.
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-08 11:44:33
April 08 2012 11:43 GMT
#9621
Just checked the VOD this morning in front of breakfast.

I was so surprised with the decision to make a rematch...Wow...Ridiculous. Kinda lost all interest after that..And i'm not hating on MKP at all btw. It's just sad that such a decision had to be taken in such an important series.

"WE WANT LAN" FFS.

Edit : I hope the representative of Blizzard who were in the room took notes..
silverfire
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States304 Posts
April 08 2012 11:45 GMT
#9622
[image loading]

Clean version, sup?
PhotographerChicken and waffles is the one true food of ESPORTS | Twitter: @silverfire
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
April 08 2012 11:46 GMT
#9623
On April 08 2012 20:43 Lasbike wrote:
Just checked the VOD this morning in front of breakfast.

I was so surprised with the decision to make a rematch...Wow...Ridiculous. Kinda lost all interest after that..And i'm not hating on MKP at all btw. It's just sad that such a decision had to be taken in such an important series.

"WE WANT LAN" FFS.

Edit : I hope the representative of Blizzard who were in the room took notes..

Dustin Browder and Mike Morhaime = essentially the guy at the top of SC2 and the guy at the top of Blizzard, probably the two firmest opposers to LAN in SC2
SC2ShoWTimE
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany722 Posts
April 08 2012 11:48 GMT
#9624
from the startale fanclub:

[image loading]


not sure how anyone could say it wasnt over.
Progamer
HGurryp
Profile Joined July 2011
275 Posts
April 08 2012 11:50 GMT
#9625
who says its not over is a mkp fan idiot, serious, i like mkp too, but its obvius parting won that game, mkp has a crazy micro? yes, but kill 18 zealots, 6 stalkers, 6 ht with 3 marauders 6 vikings without medivac? haha impossible, yes, he can to have reinforcements, but the protoss too, he had one warprism.

User was warned for this post
Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
April 08 2012 11:50 GMT
#9626
I still don't get why so many people are blaming MKP and Prime for this. Ofcourse they will accept the regame, because its beneficial for them. The people to blame here are the referees(directly) and blizzard(indirectly). And actually who are the referees ?? In the Proleague when there is call to be made, KeSPA representative explains the decision in person in front of the crowd. GOM just said what will happen, did not explain it and we don't even know who is making that ridiculous call.
Veclada
Profile Joined September 2010
742 Posts
April 08 2012 11:50 GMT
#9627
MKP is too good
asdfg
noddy
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom927 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-08 11:51:26
April 08 2012 11:50 GMT
#9628
Army values don't show the truth. A lot of that army value were the 5(6?) HTs in Parting's base and some units at the watch tower. By the time they joined back up MarineKing would've had a solid army again(especially considering out of that army value there like 14/15 Zealots)

On April 08 2012 20:50 HGurryp wrote:
who says its not over is a mkp fan idiot, serious, i like mkp too, but its obvius parting won that game, mkp has a crazy micro? yes, but kill 18 zealots, 6 stalkers, 6 ht with 3 marauders 6 vikings without medivac? haha impossible, yes, he can to have reinforcements, but the protoss too, he had one warprism.


Calling people idiots when you're taking things out of context. Rewatch the VOD or perhaps wait for the replay to be released.
SovSov
Profile Joined September 2010
United States755 Posts
April 08 2012 11:50 GMT
#9629
On April 08 2012 20:29 noddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 20:24 SovSov wrote:
On April 08 2012 20:19 noddy wrote:
On April 08 2012 20:14 FlamingForce wrote:
On April 08 2012 20:09 noddy wrote:
On April 08 2012 19:39 epicdemic wrote:
On April 08 2012 19:37 RaiKageRyu wrote:
On April 08 2012 19:25 neoghaleon55 wrote:
I don't like the way MKP used knowledge from the previous DC-match to plot the perfect timing before Parting's colossi tech came out to win the second game. That metagame was a bit frustrating to watch, MKP didn't know about that timing the first game through.


You can't expect him to forget about the previous match. It was Parting's fault for reduplicating the exact same scenario. Even if he was putting all his training to snipe him with this build, if he was to ever have hope of becoming a champion class player, he needed to learn to adapt or even trick MarineKing using knowledge from the previous game.


I expected MarineKing to forfeit. He clearly knew that he couldn't win anymore at that point.

On April 08 2012 19:37 RaiKageRyu wrote:
The first game may have been rightly Partings, but the second game proved that MarineKing was better as a player than Parting.


The first game proved that Parting was better than MarineKing, so that makes it even then.


MarineKing's 7-1 overall record against Parting shows MarineKing is obviously the better player.

That's ok then.


Who cares? The obviously better player was getting outplayed, if not for an extremely lucky regame he would've lost.

Throwing overall records around like that is like a cyclist under a car with the bottom half of his body in shambels crying "BUT YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO GIVE RIGHT OF WAY" to the car driver.

Yeah, probably true, doesn't make a difference though.


I have no idea what Teamliquid's obsession is with absolutely horrible analogies, but congrats. That was beyond stupid.

He didn't lose 100% which is why there was a regame in which MarineKing again, showed why he's the much better player than Parting. I don't know how anyone who watched the first game can say Parting is better when MarineKing's micro and macro was something we've never seen before. The only reason he nearly lost is because of 2 lucky storms.

The luck argument can be used for anyone. He won fair and square the second game. Parting's to blame for that, not MarineKing.

Lol, since when does being the better player matter in something like this? Because he's the "better player" he deserves a regame so we can "get the outcome right"?


No, he deserved a regame because the game was not over.

Lol.

Maybe you should have just said that instead of ranting about how MKP is the better player then.
HGurryp
Profile Joined July 2011
275 Posts
April 08 2012 11:51 GMT
#9630
On April 08 2012 20:50 noddy wrote:
Army values don't show the truth. A lot of that army value were the 5(6?) HTs in Parting's base and some units at the watch tower. By the time they joined back up MarineKing would've had a solid army again(especially considering out of that army value there like 14/15 Zealots)

Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 20:50 HGurryp wrote:
who says its not over is a mkp fan idiot, serious, i like mkp too, but its obvius parting won that game, mkp has a crazy micro? yes, but kill 18 zealots, 6 stalkers, 6 ht with 3 marauders 6 vikings without medivac? haha impossible, yes, he can to have reinforcements, but the protoss too, he had one warprism.


Calling people idiots when you're taking things out of context. Rewatch the VOD or perhaps wait for the replay to be released.


look the screensoth, then show all the units.
noddy
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom927 Posts
April 08 2012 11:52 GMT
#9631
On April 08 2012 20:50 SovSov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 20:29 noddy wrote:
On April 08 2012 20:24 SovSov wrote:
On April 08 2012 20:19 noddy wrote:
On April 08 2012 20:14 FlamingForce wrote:
On April 08 2012 20:09 noddy wrote:
On April 08 2012 19:39 epicdemic wrote:
On April 08 2012 19:37 RaiKageRyu wrote:
On April 08 2012 19:25 neoghaleon55 wrote:
I don't like the way MKP used knowledge from the previous DC-match to plot the perfect timing before Parting's colossi tech came out to win the second game. That metagame was a bit frustrating to watch, MKP didn't know about that timing the first game through.


You can't expect him to forget about the previous match. It was Parting's fault for reduplicating the exact same scenario. Even if he was putting all his training to snipe him with this build, if he was to ever have hope of becoming a champion class player, he needed to learn to adapt or even trick MarineKing using knowledge from the previous game.


I expected MarineKing to forfeit. He clearly knew that he couldn't win anymore at that point.

On April 08 2012 19:37 RaiKageRyu wrote:
The first game may have been rightly Partings, but the second game proved that MarineKing was better as a player than Parting.


The first game proved that Parting was better than MarineKing, so that makes it even then.


MarineKing's 7-1 overall record against Parting shows MarineKing is obviously the better player.

That's ok then.


Who cares? The obviously better player was getting outplayed, if not for an extremely lucky regame he would've lost.

Throwing overall records around like that is like a cyclist under a car with the bottom half of his body in shambels crying "BUT YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO GIVE RIGHT OF WAY" to the car driver.

Yeah, probably true, doesn't make a difference though.


I have no idea what Teamliquid's obsession is with absolutely horrible analogies, but congrats. That was beyond stupid.

He didn't lose 100% which is why there was a regame in which MarineKing again, showed why he's the much better player than Parting. I don't know how anyone who watched the first game can say Parting is better when MarineKing's micro and macro was something we've never seen before. The only reason he nearly lost is because of 2 lucky storms.

The luck argument can be used for anyone. He won fair and square the second game. Parting's to blame for that, not MarineKing.

Lol, since when does being the better player matter in something like this? Because he's the "better player" he deserves a regame so we can "get the outcome right"?


No, he deserved a regame because the game was not over.

Lol.

Maybe you should have just said that instead of ranting about how MKP is the better player then.


I wasn't ranting? Was making a fair statement based on recent results because of someone saying Parting is better than MarineKing.

The better player won in the end so I'm happy
karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
April 08 2012 11:53 GMT
#9632
From what i saw MKP was sure to lose three of his rax with addons and probably would have had to pull SCVs to even defend. I mean it's not impossible to come back from but i remember when JD and Flash had that power outage in the middle of a BW final, from what i can remember that game was closer than this one and JD was issued the winner.
noddy
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom927 Posts
April 08 2012 11:54 GMT
#9633
TeamLiquid's bandwagon bringing out the pitchforks when all they can do is look at a screenshot where as the referees watched the replay probably multiple times. Shocking.
Heimatloser
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany1494 Posts
April 08 2012 11:56 GMT
#9634
Luck is a part of progaming. Nobody would ever argue bout it. Mkp got lucky.
All what KT currently needs is a Zerg and a second Terran
Kevan
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2303 Posts
April 08 2012 11:57 GMT
#9635
I wonder if they would have regamed if it wasn't the most popular player who lost. Startale got robbed and Parting might have had the highlight of his career/life ruined. The decision was very questionable and it made the entire GSTL season lose its legitimacy.
SC2, rip in pepperinos
jjhchsc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)2393 Posts
April 08 2012 11:58 GMT
#9636
On April 08 2012 20:54 noddy wrote:
TeamLiquid's bandwagon bringing out the pitchforks when all they can do is look at a screenshot where as the referees watched the replay probably multiple times. Shocking.

sad but true :/
Lee Ssang/ Lee Shin/ Kim Jung Woo/ Kim Min Chul/Jun Tae Yang/Park Soo Ho/Lee Jung Hoon/Choi Sung Hoon/ Moon Sung Won/Park Ji Soo/ Lee Ho Joon/ Jang Min Chul/ Kim Seung Chul/SaSe/IdrA/Ret Fighting! BW4Life
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-08 12:01:02
April 08 2012 12:00 GMT
#9637
--- Nuked ---
Wivyx
Profile Joined May 2009
Norway624 Posts
April 08 2012 12:01 GMT
#9638
On April 08 2012 20:54 noddy wrote:
TeamLiquid's bandwagon bringing out the pitchforks when all they can do is look at a screenshot where as the referees watched the replay probably multiple times. Shocking.


Not to mention the irrational expectation that any player getting a debatable ref's decision in his favour should just admit defeat and not try to win.
karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-08 12:03:46
April 08 2012 12:01 GMT
#9639
On April 08 2012 20:54 noddy wrote:
TeamLiquid's bandwagon bringing out the pitchforks when all they can do is look at a screenshot where as the referees watched the replay probably multiple times. Shocking.


A MKP fanboy white knighting his favorite player. Shocking.

I've paused at the part where MKP dropped.

Three rax with 2 tech labs are sure to be destroyed, or at best not be producing usable for quite some time.
There's a warp prism going towards the base with Parting having the money to warp in a ton of stuff inside MKPs base.
The food was 110 vs 145 with MKP having at most 21 food of units in production. 110 - 71 (SCVs) - 12 (Vikings) - 6 (Marauders) = 21 food in production. And that's counting the two out of three rax that Parting was destroying at the time, probably were producing Marauders as they had tech labs.

Seems pretty unwinnable to me.
Wivyx
Profile Joined May 2009
Norway624 Posts
April 08 2012 12:03 GMT
#9640
On April 08 2012 21:01 karpo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 20:54 noddy wrote:
TeamLiquid's bandwagon bringing out the pitchforks when all they can do is look at a screenshot where as the referees watched the replay probably multiple times. Shocking.


A MKP fanboy white knighting his favorite player. Shocking.

I've paused at the part where MKP dropped.

Three rax with 2 tech labs are sure to die.
There's a warp prism going towards the base with Parting having the money to warp in a ton of stuff inside MKPs base.
The food was 110 vs 145 with MKP having at most 21 food of units in production (110 - 71 (SCVs) - 12 (Vikings) - 6 (Marauders) = 21 food in production, and that's counting the two out of three rax that Parting was destroying at the time.

Seems pretty unwinnable to me.


Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm not watching the vod), but didn't Parting have like ~250 minerals? That's not really sufficient to warp in a ton of stuff. Also, weren't there vikings taking care of that prism?
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