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On April 08 2012 19:58 avc wrote:
Completely lost interest after the decision to replay the match, it was obviously going to be a crushing blow to Parting psychologically and probably to the rest of Startale too. How can you come back mentally from a moment where your top PvT player was just about to finish off Prime's star player, the current top player in the world that everyone is fearful of.
It's no surprise that MarineKing went on to crush the rest of Startale and it's not like you can attribute it solely to MarineKing's skill either, those players would have been mentally crushed.
I'm disappointed in GOM for calling that a straight re-game after the position Parting was in. Yes, we all know Korean Terran's love to stay in the game down to the last moment because Terran can sometimes recover from situations like that if the opponent makes a major mistake. However, the writing was on the wall, he's against a five base Protoss with 15 or so warpgates and a much stronger and larger army bearing down on his base. Three of his rax were as good as dead, he simply couldn't have kept up with Parting's production at that point. With his crazy micro he may well have been able to hold off that one push by pulling SCV's, but the subsequent push would have been too much to stop.
There weren't really any winners last night. A very bad moment for esports and a reminder that this whole thing has a very long way to go before it can really be considered a legitimate sport. One of the best GSTL's in the competitions history, the most high profile venue and audience that the competition has ever had and that happens, in front of everybody.
To those of you saying MarineKing should have forfeited, he had that as an option, but I don't think most competitors would have chosen it. If you're given a second chance to save your team, your tournament life, as a competitor you generally take it, no matter how strange or unfair the circumstances. It's on the judges/admins to make the right decision and on this one I think they really got it wrong.
He wasn't mining on 5 bases. MarneKing had better income, better production and considering only 3 of his production facilities were caught by Parting at the time of the dc, still had a chance.
Honestly a mostly Zealot army against the best micro player in the world. It wasn't over.
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On April 08 2012 20:03 FlamingForce wrote:
I went to sleep after PartinG lost, telling myself that Startale would send out Bomber and die if he failed.
Lo and behold, I was right, such a ruined finals, really lost all respect for MKP, can't believe he accepted that regame, Prime did not deserve that win.
Dude if the same thing happened, except Parting being in MKP's situation he would have done the same thing.
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On April 08 2012 20:09 noddy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 19:39 epicdemic wrote:On April 08 2012 19:37 RaiKageRyu wrote:On April 08 2012 19:25 neoghaleon55 wrote:
I don't like the way MKP used knowledge from the previous DC-match to plot the perfect timing before Parting's colossi tech came out to win the second game. That metagame was a bit frustrating to watch, MKP didn't know about that timing the first game through. You can't expect him to forget about the previous match. It was Parting's fault for reduplicating the exact same scenario. Even if he was putting all his training to snipe him with this build, if he was to ever have hope of becoming a champion class player, he needed to learn to adapt or even trick MarineKing using knowledge from the previous game. I expected MarineKing to forfeit. He clearly knew that he couldn't win anymore at that point. On April 08 2012 19:37 RaiKageRyu wrote:
The first game may have been rightly Partings, but the second game proved that MarineKing was better as a player than Parting. The first game proved that Parting was better than MarineKing, so that makes it even then. MarineKing's 7-1 overall record against Parting shows MarineKing is obviously the better player. That's ok then.
Who cares? The obviously better player was getting outplayed, if not for an extremely lucky regame he would've lost.
Throwing overall records around like that is like a cyclist under a car with the bottom half of his body in shambels crying "BUT YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO GIVE RIGHT OF WAY" to the car driver.
Yeah, probably true, doesn't make a difference though.
On April 08 2012 20:12 thoradycus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 20:03 FlamingForce wrote:
I went to sleep after PartinG lost, telling myself that Startale would send out Bomber and die if he failed.
Lo and behold, I was right, such a ruined finals, really lost all respect for MKP, can't believe he accepted that regame, Prime did not deserve that win. Dude if the same thing happened, except Parting being in MKP's situation he would have done the same thing.
You can't possibly know that.
I was personally hoping for a draw and double elimination anyway.
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Just one thing -- for all the people saying that MKP should have forfeited because he knew it was over and was about to GG anyways, read the interview up on the SC2 general forum now. Asked about his game against Parting, he said:
In the game in question, I was ahead until the midgame but because of carelessness, I was about to be overtaken. As I was fighting my heart out trying to come back, the disconnect occurred. This was the first time I’ve experienced this as a progamer so I was dismayed and bewildered.
Granted, it's only a brief statement so I don't think we should analyze it too much, but I don't think you can really expect a player to forfeit when they still feel they're fighting it out. And if it were really obviously a lost game, then it should be the coach's decision to declare it a loss, or the ref's decision to give the win to the player ahead.
Agreed, it's a terrible situation and a terrible outcome, but the hatred and blame towards MKP is pretty disgusting imo.
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StarCraft II competitive history has been forever changed today because of Blizzard's shortcomings. This is massive. This should never be an issue. Something like a drop should never influence the entire finals this much.
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On April 08 2012 20:03 FlamingForce wrote:
I went to sleep after PartinG lost, telling myself that Startale would send out Bomber and die if he failed.
Lo and behold, I was right, such a ruined finals, really lost all respect for MKP, can't believe he accepted that regame, Prime did not deserve that win.
Reading this makes me want to smash my head against the wall. Why would he not accept the regame? Give me the name of a professional player of any sport that would turn down a ref's decision in a similar situation.
Controversial referee decisions are a part of sports. As a player you have to accept them and keep preforming.
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On April 08 2012 20:14 FlamingForce wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 20:09 noddy wrote:On April 08 2012 19:39 epicdemic wrote:On April 08 2012 19:37 RaiKageRyu wrote:On April 08 2012 19:25 neoghaleon55 wrote:
I don't like the way MKP used knowledge from the previous DC-match to plot the perfect timing before Parting's colossi tech came out to win the second game. That metagame was a bit frustrating to watch, MKP didn't know about that timing the first game through. You can't expect him to forget about the previous match. It was Parting's fault for reduplicating the exact same scenario. Even if he was putting all his training to snipe him with this build, if he was to ever have hope of becoming a champion class player, he needed to learn to adapt or even trick MarineKing using knowledge from the previous game. I expected MarineKing to forfeit. He clearly knew that he couldn't win anymore at that point. On April 08 2012 19:37 RaiKageRyu wrote:
The first game may have been rightly Partings, but the second game proved that MarineKing was better as a player than Parting. The first game proved that Parting was better than MarineKing, so that makes it even then. MarineKing's 7-1 overall record against Parting shows MarineKing is obviously the better player. That's ok then. Who cares? The obviously better player was getting outplayed, if not for an extremely lucky regame he would've lost. Throwing overall records around like that is like a cyclist under a car with the bottom half of his body in shambels crying "BUT YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO GIVE RIGHT OF WAY" to the car driver. Yeah, probably true, doesn't make a difference though.
I have no idea what Teamliquid's obsession is with absolutely horrible analogies, but congrats. That was beyond stupid.
He didn't lose 100% which is why there was a regame in which MarineKing again, showed why he's the much better player than Parting. I don't know how anyone who watched the first game can say Parting is better when MarineKing's micro and macro was something we've never seen before. The only reason he nearly lost is because of 2 lucky storms.
The luck argument can be used for anyone. He won fair and square the second game. Parting's to blame for that, not MarineKing.
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On April 08 2012 20:19 noddy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 20:14 FlamingForce wrote:On April 08 2012 20:09 noddy wrote:On April 08 2012 19:39 epicdemic wrote:On April 08 2012 19:37 RaiKageRyu wrote:On April 08 2012 19:25 neoghaleon55 wrote:
I don't like the way MKP used knowledge from the previous DC-match to plot the perfect timing before Parting's colossi tech came out to win the second game. That metagame was a bit frustrating to watch, MKP didn't know about that timing the first game through. You can't expect him to forget about the previous match. It was Parting's fault for reduplicating the exact same scenario. Even if he was putting all his training to snipe him with this build, if he was to ever have hope of becoming a champion class player, he needed to learn to adapt or even trick MarineKing using knowledge from the previous game. I expected MarineKing to forfeit. He clearly knew that he couldn't win anymore at that point. On April 08 2012 19:37 RaiKageRyu wrote:
The first game may have been rightly Partings, but the second game proved that MarineKing was better as a player than Parting. The first game proved that Parting was better than MarineKing, so that makes it even then. MarineKing's 7-1 overall record against Parting shows MarineKing is obviously the better player. That's ok then. Who cares? The obviously better player was getting outplayed, if not for an extremely lucky regame he would've lost. Throwing overall records around like that is like a cyclist under a car with the bottom half of his body in shambels crying "BUT YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO GIVE RIGHT OF WAY" to the car driver. Yeah, probably true, doesn't make a difference though. I have no idea what Teamliquid's obsession is with absolutely horrible analogies, but congrats. That was beyond stupid. He didn't lose 100% which is why there was a regame in which MarineKing again, showed why he's the much better player than Parting. I don't know how anyone who watched the first game can say Parting is better when MarineKing's micro and macro was something we've never seen before. The only reason he nearly lost is because of 2 lucky storms. The luck argument can be used for anyone. He won fair and square the second game. Parting's to blame for that, not MarineKing.
Too good for you to grasp, I suppose. Simply calling something "Stupid" and disregarding it tells me enough.
He did lose 100% rofl, if you can't see that, well...I don't really know if I still want a conversation with you.
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On April 08 2012 20:19 noddy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 20:14 FlamingForce wrote:On April 08 2012 20:09 noddy wrote:On April 08 2012 19:39 epicdemic wrote:On April 08 2012 19:37 RaiKageRyu wrote:On April 08 2012 19:25 neoghaleon55 wrote:
I don't like the way MKP used knowledge from the previous DC-match to plot the perfect timing before Parting's colossi tech came out to win the second game. That metagame was a bit frustrating to watch, MKP didn't know about that timing the first game through. You can't expect him to forget about the previous match. It was Parting's fault for reduplicating the exact same scenario. Even if he was putting all his training to snipe him with this build, if he was to ever have hope of becoming a champion class player, he needed to learn to adapt or even trick MarineKing using knowledge from the previous game. I expected MarineKing to forfeit. He clearly knew that he couldn't win anymore at that point. On April 08 2012 19:37 RaiKageRyu wrote:
The first game may have been rightly Partings, but the second game proved that MarineKing was better as a player than Parting. The first game proved that Parting was better than MarineKing, so that makes it even then. MarineKing's 7-1 overall record against Parting shows MarineKing is obviously the better player. That's ok then. Who cares? The obviously better player was getting outplayed, if not for an extremely lucky regame he would've lost. Throwing overall records around like that is like a cyclist under a car with the bottom half of his body in shambels crying "BUT YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO GIVE RIGHT OF WAY" to the car driver. Yeah, probably true, doesn't make a difference though. I have no idea what Teamliquid's obsession is with absolutely horrible analogies, but congrats. That was beyond stupid. He didn't lose 100% which is why there was a regame in which MarineKing again, showed why he's the much better player than Parting. I don't know how anyone who watched the first game can say Parting is better when MarineKing's micro and macro was something we've never seen before. The only reason he nearly lost is because of 2 lucky storms. The luck argument can be used for anyone. He won fair and square the second game. Parting's to blame for that, not MarineKing.
Lol, since when does being the better player matter in something like this? Because he's the "better player" he deserves a regame so we can "get the outcome right"?
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after seeing they decided to regame, i went to sleep thinking that probably ST was robbed this title, i guess Parting was shaken and cant blame him, sad result in the end
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Man i was hyped and the Parting vs MKP game was awesome. Now that i saw the drop and regame i lost all interest in the finals.
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On April 08 2012 20:21 FlamingForce wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 20:19 noddy wrote:On April 08 2012 20:14 FlamingForce wrote:On April 08 2012 20:09 noddy wrote:On April 08 2012 19:39 epicdemic wrote:On April 08 2012 19:37 RaiKageRyu wrote:On April 08 2012 19:25 neoghaleon55 wrote:
I don't like the way MKP used knowledge from the previous DC-match to plot the perfect timing before Parting's colossi tech came out to win the second game. That metagame was a bit frustrating to watch, MKP didn't know about that timing the first game through. You can't expect him to forget about the previous match. It was Parting's fault for reduplicating the exact same scenario. Even if he was putting all his training to snipe him with this build, if he was to ever have hope of becoming a champion class player, he needed to learn to adapt or even trick MarineKing using knowledge from the previous game. I expected MarineKing to forfeit. He clearly knew that he couldn't win anymore at that point. On April 08 2012 19:37 RaiKageRyu wrote:
The first game may have been rightly Partings, but the second game proved that MarineKing was better as a player than Parting. The first game proved that Parting was better than MarineKing, so that makes it even then. MarineKing's 7-1 overall record against Parting shows MarineKing is obviously the better player. That's ok then. Who cares? The obviously better player was getting outplayed, if not for an extremely lucky regame he would've lost. Throwing overall records around like that is like a cyclist under a car with the bottom half of his body in shambels crying "BUT YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO GIVE RIGHT OF WAY" to the car driver. Yeah, probably true, doesn't make a difference though. I have no idea what Teamliquid's obsession is with absolutely horrible analogies, but congrats. That was beyond stupid. He didn't lose 100% which is why there was a regame in which MarineKing again, showed why he's the much better player than Parting. I don't know how anyone who watched the first game can say Parting is better when MarineKing's micro and macro was something we've never seen before. The only reason he nearly lost is because of 2 lucky storms. The luck argument can be used for anyone. He won fair and square the second game. Parting's to blame for that, not MarineKing. He did lose 100% rofl
MKP, the Prime Coach, and most importantly, the Gom referees all disagree, though, which should indicate that it wasn't a 100% thing. At the end of the day we're just angry fans on the internet, and our opinions aren't nearly as important (and usually not as informed) as the people actually making the calls.
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On April 08 2012 20:24 SovSov wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 20:19 noddy wrote:On April 08 2012 20:14 FlamingForce wrote:On April 08 2012 20:09 noddy wrote:On April 08 2012 19:39 epicdemic wrote:On April 08 2012 19:37 RaiKageRyu wrote:On April 08 2012 19:25 neoghaleon55 wrote:
I don't like the way MKP used knowledge from the previous DC-match to plot the perfect timing before Parting's colossi tech came out to win the second game. That metagame was a bit frustrating to watch, MKP didn't know about that timing the first game through. You can't expect him to forget about the previous match. It was Parting's fault for reduplicating the exact same scenario. Even if he was putting all his training to snipe him with this build, if he was to ever have hope of becoming a champion class player, he needed to learn to adapt or even trick MarineKing using knowledge from the previous game. I expected MarineKing to forfeit. He clearly knew that he couldn't win anymore at that point. On April 08 2012 19:37 RaiKageRyu wrote:
The first game may have been rightly Partings, but the second game proved that MarineKing was better as a player than Parting. The first game proved that Parting was better than MarineKing, so that makes it even then. MarineKing's 7-1 overall record against Parting shows MarineKing is obviously the better player. That's ok then. Who cares? The obviously better player was getting outplayed, if not for an extremely lucky regame he would've lost. Throwing overall records around like that is like a cyclist under a car with the bottom half of his body in shambels crying "BUT YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO GIVE RIGHT OF WAY" to the car driver. Yeah, probably true, doesn't make a difference though. I have no idea what Teamliquid's obsession is with absolutely horrible analogies, but congrats. That was beyond stupid. He didn't lose 100% which is why there was a regame in which MarineKing again, showed why he's the much better player than Parting. I don't know how anyone who watched the first game can say Parting is better when MarineKing's micro and macro was something we've never seen before. The only reason he nearly lost is because of 2 lucky storms. The luck argument can be used for anyone. He won fair and square the second game. Parting's to blame for that, not MarineKing. Lol, since when does being the better player matter in something like this? Because he's the "better player" he deserves a regame so we can "get the outcome right"?
No, he deserved a regame because the game was not over.
Lol.
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On April 08 2012 20:29 dormer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 20:21 FlamingForce wrote:On April 08 2012 20:19 noddy wrote:On April 08 2012 20:14 FlamingForce wrote:On April 08 2012 20:09 noddy wrote:On April 08 2012 19:39 epicdemic wrote:On April 08 2012 19:37 RaiKageRyu wrote:On April 08 2012 19:25 neoghaleon55 wrote:
I don't like the way MKP used knowledge from the previous DC-match to plot the perfect timing before Parting's colossi tech came out to win the second game. That metagame was a bit frustrating to watch, MKP didn't know about that timing the first game through. You can't expect him to forget about the previous match. It was Parting's fault for reduplicating the exact same scenario. Even if he was putting all his training to snipe him with this build, if he was to ever have hope of becoming a champion class player, he needed to learn to adapt or even trick MarineKing using knowledge from the previous game. I expected MarineKing to forfeit. He clearly knew that he couldn't win anymore at that point. On April 08 2012 19:37 RaiKageRyu wrote:
The first game may have been rightly Partings, but the second game proved that MarineKing was better as a player than Parting. The first game proved that Parting was better than MarineKing, so that makes it even then. MarineKing's 7-1 overall record against Parting shows MarineKing is obviously the better player. That's ok then. Who cares? The obviously better player was getting outplayed, if not for an extremely lucky regame he would've lost. Throwing overall records around like that is like a cyclist under a car with the bottom half of his body in shambels crying "BUT YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO GIVE RIGHT OF WAY" to the car driver. Yeah, probably true, doesn't make a difference though. I have no idea what Teamliquid's obsession is with absolutely horrible analogies, but congrats. That was beyond stupid. He didn't lose 100% which is why there was a regame in which MarineKing again, showed why he's the much better player than Parting. I don't know how anyone who watched the first game can say Parting is better when MarineKing's micro and macro was something we've never seen before. The only reason he nearly lost is because of 2 lucky storms. The luck argument can be used for anyone. He won fair and square the second game. Parting's to blame for that, not MarineKing. He did lose 100% rofl MKP, the Prime Coach, and most importantly, the Gom referees all disagree, though, which should indicate that it wasn't a 100% thing. At the end of the day we're just angry fans on the internet, and our opinions aren't nearly as important (and usually not as informed) as the people actually making the calls.
I suppose that's the only real argument, altough MKP and the Prime coach's opinion mean very little to me for obvious reasons.
And yes, that's very true, nothing we say will change the outcome of what happened, won't stop me from abusing my right to rage on random forums on a bored sunday afternoon though ^^
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Saw this in the early hours.
Can't believe Parting wasn't given a win for this. After that, it would be obvious that MarineKing would/should all-kill the rest of the team.
Disappointing really.
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Went to sleep after the regame was decided.
Just woke up to see results and damn am i disappointed =(
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Really disappointed !
Mkp should have forfeited.
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Parting was for sure ahead but I do think that MKP would hold that atk since the HT's were not there and zealots are easy to hold by pulling scv's. He had just warped in and MKP's units were just about to come out so the screenshot is a bit missleading. I hope they will release the replay. x.x!
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