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On April 08 2012 19:25 neoghaleon55 wrote:
I don't like the way MKP used knowledge from the previous DC-match to plot the perfect timing before Parting's colossi tech came out to win the second game. That metagame was a bit frustrating to watch, MKP didn't know about that timing the first game through.
You can't expect him to forget about the previous match. It was Parting's fault for reduplicating the exact same scenario. Even if he was putting all his training to snipe him with this build, if he was to ever have hope of becoming a champion class player, he needed to learn to adapt or even trick MarineKing using knowledge from the previous game.
The first game may have been rightly Partings, but the second game proved that MarineKing was better as a player than Parting.
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On April 08 2012 19:36 Willzzz wrote:
So do you guys have copies of the replay or are you just estimating these numbers?
When the disconnect happened you could see the unit tab.
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On April 08 2012 19:37 RaiKageRyu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 19:25 neoghaleon55 wrote:
I don't like the way MKP used knowledge from the previous DC-match to plot the perfect timing before Parting's colossi tech came out to win the second game. That metagame was a bit frustrating to watch, MKP didn't know about that timing the first game through. You can't expect him to forget about the previous match. It was Parting's fault for reduplicating the exact same scenario. Even if he was putting all his training to snipe him with this build, if he was to ever have hope of becoming a champion class player, he needed to learn to adapt or even trick MarineKing using knowledge from the previous game.
I expected MarineKing to forfeit. He clearly knew that he couldn't win anymore at that point.
On April 08 2012 19:37 RaiKageRyu wrote:
The first game may have been rightly Partings, but the second game proved that MarineKing was better as a player than Parting.
The first game proved that Parting was better than MarineKing, so that makes it even then.
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On April 08 2012 19:39 epicdemic wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 19:37 RaiKageRyu wrote:On April 08 2012 19:25 neoghaleon55 wrote:
I don't like the way MKP used knowledge from the previous DC-match to plot the perfect timing before Parting's colossi tech came out to win the second game. That metagame was a bit frustrating to watch, MKP didn't know about that timing the first game through. You can't expect him to forget about the previous match. It was Parting's fault for reduplicating the exact same scenario. Even if he was putting all his training to snipe him with this build, if he was to ever have hope of becoming a champion class player, he needed to learn to adapt or even trick MarineKing using knowledge from the previous game. I expected MarineKing to forfeit. He clearly knew that he couldn't win anymore at that point. Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 19:37 RaiKageRyu wrote:
The first game may have been rightly Partings, but the second game proved that MarineKing was better as a player than Parting. The first game proved that Parting was better than MarineKing, so that makes it even then.
MKP is something like 6-1 (6-2 counting his probable loss in the game before he dropped) so MKP is almost definitely a better player.
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I think with the regame the GSL people had to be hoping that Parting would win again, it would have meant there was a chance such a difficult decision would resolve itself. MarineKing killing Startale was the worst possible result for them. :/
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On April 08 2012 19:23 Dotq wrote:This kind of situation had to happen sooner or later. Lets see what progamers say when replay is released. There was no fair way out of it I guess, but the situation kinda ruined the whole "win" for me  The most akward thing was the brave smiles on blizzards reps...A simple "re connect to game" that other games now has, cant be hard for a big company like blizzard
I agree the call would suck either way. That's why judges need to go. there is absolutly no reason for them with this technology. One could take the scorced earth approach and simply regame any DC, or best, have a save game file to restart from once DC is resolved. The later would require some more lines of code from blizz though.
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after reading up what happened i am somewhat glad i did not stay up for this -.-
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i dont understand why they decided to make a regame. i mean... a protoss with 30-40 supply up in the production of a terran. as good as mkp is, that was an unwinnable situation. maybe it is just that im sad for parting but for me it ruined the whole final :/
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On April 08 2012 19:41 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 19:39 epicdemic wrote:On April 08 2012 19:37 RaiKageRyu wrote:On April 08 2012 19:25 neoghaleon55 wrote:
I don't like the way MKP used knowledge from the previous DC-match to plot the perfect timing before Parting's colossi tech came out to win the second game. That metagame was a bit frustrating to watch, MKP didn't know about that timing the first game through. You can't expect him to forget about the previous match. It was Parting's fault for reduplicating the exact same scenario. Even if he was putting all his training to snipe him with this build, if he was to ever have hope of becoming a champion class player, he needed to learn to adapt or even trick MarineKing using knowledge from the previous game. I expected MarineKing to forfeit. He clearly knew that he couldn't win anymore at that point. On April 08 2012 19:37 RaiKageRyu wrote:
The first game may have been rightly Partings, but the second game proved that MarineKing was better as a player than Parting. The first game proved that Parting was better than MarineKing, so that makes it even then. MKP is something like 6-1 (6-2 counting his probable loss in the game before he dropped) so MKP is almost definitely a better player.
Fine, I don't care. I'm not a Parting fanboy. But that game was 100% his.
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On April 08 2012 19:41 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 19:39 epicdemic wrote:On April 08 2012 19:37 RaiKageRyu wrote:On April 08 2012 19:25 neoghaleon55 wrote:
I don't like the way MKP used knowledge from the previous DC-match to plot the perfect timing before Parting's colossi tech came out to win the second game. That metagame was a bit frustrating to watch, MKP didn't know about that timing the first game through. You can't expect him to forget about the previous match. It was Parting's fault for reduplicating the exact same scenario. Even if he was putting all his training to snipe him with this build, if he was to ever have hope of becoming a champion class player, he needed to learn to adapt or even trick MarineKing using knowledge from the previous game. I expected MarineKing to forfeit. He clearly knew that he couldn't win anymore at that point. On April 08 2012 19:37 RaiKageRyu wrote:
The first game may have been rightly Partings, but the second game proved that MarineKing was better as a player than Parting. The first game proved that Parting was better than MarineKing, so that makes it even then. MKP is something like 6-1 (6-2 counting his probable loss in the game before he dropped) so MKP is almost definitely a better player.
Not that game he wasnt. PartinG played the game of his life and was short changed how is that fair even if MKP wins 99/100? If you ask me that's more important to recognize since it's such an achivment to win as a major underdog.
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On April 08 2012 19:31 Zealot Orgy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 19:26 Technique wrote:
MKP was in this situation before where he was winning and then a dc happened, he said rematch no problem.
So now he's on the other side it's only fair he gets the same treatment. If you refer to Violet vs MKP rematch, then you are one of the most ardent fanboys of Marineking. If you go as far as pulling out a DC at HSC where he was sure ahead, but you compare it with a 3marauders+6vikings 8 raxes in the main, 3 burning and next to Parting's army AND reinforcement pylon vs 18 zealots 8 HTs 6 stalkers Warp Prism in the main of MKP and 21 warpgates Then trying a polite discussion with such blind fanboyism is pointless
I don't remember which game it was, i just remember it was cool of him to give a rematch where he could have taken the win.
Not really a fanboy of mkp either, you sound like you are mad tho.
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I was absolutely rooting for Prime from the beginning to the end. BUT, that game between PartinG and MKP was 100% won for PartinG and every persone that is sane would say so after watching carefully the replay. That dc game killed the excitment for me and I feel very bad for StarTale. Mad props to Prime and especially MKP though absolutely amazing performance.
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I definitely stopped watching after MKP got a rematch and won when he should have lost the first game to parting. And you can see MKP wasn't even excited or happy when he won the 2nd match.
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Don't even like startale but as far as im concerned this is certainly not a prime win
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Completely lost interest after the decision to replay the match, it was obviously going to be a crushing blow to Parting psychologically and probably to the rest of Startale too. How can you come back mentally from a moment where your top PvT player was just about to finish off Prime's star player, the current top player in the world that everyone is fearful of.
It's no surprise that MarineKing went on to crush the rest of Startale and it's not like you can attribute it solely to MarineKing's skill either, those players would have been mentally crushed.
I'm disappointed in GOM for calling that a straight re-game after the position Parting was in. Yes, we all know Korean Terran's love to stay in the game down to the last moment because Terran can sometimes recover from situations like that if the opponent makes a major mistake. However, the writing was on the wall, he's against a five base Protoss with 15 or so warpgates and a much stronger and larger army bearing down on his base. Three of his rax were as good as dead, he simply couldn't have kept up with Parting's production at that point. With his crazy micro he may well have been able to hold off that one push by pulling SCV's, but the subsequent push would have been too much to stop.
There weren't really any winners last night. A very bad moment for esports and a reminder that this whole thing has a very long way to go before it can really be considered a legitimate sport. One of the best GSTL's in the competitions history, the most high profile venue and audience that the competition has ever had and that happens, in front of everybody.
To those of you saying MarineKing should have forfeited, he had that as an option, but I don't think most competitors would have chosen it. If you're given a second chance to save your team, your tournament life, as a competitor you generally take it, no matter how strange or unfair the circumstances. It's on the judges/admins to make the right decision and on this one I think they really got it wrong.
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Well I fell asleep and didn't see this, feel really sorry for Parting there. But I can't understand how Blizzard don't see this disconnect and the impact its had on a huge money final and think about putting in an offline play mode, even if its ONLY for major tournaments. WHY NOT?!
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I went to sleep after PartinG lost, telling myself that Startale would send out Bomber and die if he failed.
Lo and behold, I was right, such a ruined finals, really lost all respect for MKP, can't believe he accepted that regame, Prime did not deserve that win.
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Even though it sucks terribly for Parting, I really cannot understand why ppl hate on MKP now...
Yeah he could have thrown the regame and everyone would be like "oh such a great sportsman", but first and foremost he plays for his TEAM.
No way he can throw such an important game even if he feels like the regame is undeserved( wich he surely did!).
Doing so would mean to let down his team, it's not only his series but theirs as well.
It was an unfortunate situation for everyone, but MKP is not the one to blame for it!
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On April 08 2012 19:39 epicdemic wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 19:37 RaiKageRyu wrote:On April 08 2012 19:25 neoghaleon55 wrote:
I don't like the way MKP used knowledge from the previous DC-match to plot the perfect timing before Parting's colossi tech came out to win the second game. That metagame was a bit frustrating to watch, MKP didn't know about that timing the first game through. You can't expect him to forget about the previous match. It was Parting's fault for reduplicating the exact same scenario. Even if he was putting all his training to snipe him with this build, if he was to ever have hope of becoming a champion class player, he needed to learn to adapt or even trick MarineKing using knowledge from the previous game. I expected MarineKing to forfeit. He clearly knew that he couldn't win anymore at that point. Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 19:37 RaiKageRyu wrote:
The first game may have been rightly Partings, but the second game proved that MarineKing was better as a player than Parting. The first game proved that Parting was better than MarineKing, so that makes it even then.
MarineKing's 7-1 overall record against Parting shows MarineKing is obviously the better player.
That's ok then.
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On April 08 2012 20:03 FlamingForce wrote:
I went to sleep after PartinG lost, telling myself that Startale would send out Bomber and die if he failed.
Lo and behold, I was right, such a ruined finals, really lost all respect for MKP, can't believe he accepted that regame, Prime did not deserve that win.
If he did not accept the regame I would be calling him an idiot for hurting his teams chances. If it were an individual league then not accepting a regame is a personal decision but it is a team match and in those you do whatever you can to help your team ensure a victory.
This wont "taint" MKP or Prime's win somehow, stuff has like this has happend all the time in both e-sports and regular sports and for the first few weeks everyone goes "this will forever taint his win" then 1 year later its not even reminded of and people just introduce Prime as former GSTL champions.
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