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On April 08 2012 17:44 babybell wrote: wouldn't it be awesome if blizzard had a function for tournaments ( an external program) that turned replays into playable maps that began in the way the replays ended?
This. It would be such a perfect solution to these kind of problems and shouldn't be impossible to implement right?
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Thing is even if nothing was technically MKP's or Prime's fault, people will never forget this. Like it or not, people will think about this whenever they think of MKP from no on... and regardless of what you really think of him, it will never quite be the same.
I honestly think winning this finals was bad for MKP. He already has a lot of winnings, a lot of fans and is right now considered the best player in the world. This finals however was, despite a victory for Prime and a 4-kill for MKP, not a true victory for Prime, and everyone will remember that there was no... honor in this victory, I guess you can say. As for MKP himself, this entire incident will unfortunately forever be associated with him, despite his innocense in the matter.
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On April 08 2012 17:54 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 17:30 aksfjh wrote: As for the first game, it wasn't decisively PartinG's yet. If you have never seen MKP play and his control with minimal units, sure, you could claim that PartinG had that game in the bag. However, there was a lot that could still go wrong for Part and right for MKP that would have put him back in the game. If you go by the final unit counter at disconnect. MKP had 110 supply, 71 scvs. That means 39 supply of attack units, of which probably half are still in production. Let's be generous and give him 30 supply actually on the field. Given that Parting had already hit some of MKP's production facilities, part of that army that pop up would immediately get destroyed. Parting had 148/149 supply(my vod wasn't clear enough to see exactly), 79 probes. That means ~70 supply of units and most of which are on the field except perhaps 1 or 2 colossi. At worst, Parting had twice the army supply of MKP and about to destroy part of potential reinforcements from those barracks. I can't imagine anyone who has ever played the game think MKP had any legit chance. Seriously, how can you believe that? apparently marineking fanboys do
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Sad ending for a great season. I feel that there were no winners here. Let's hope that all this has at least something possitive and Blizz finally realizes that they have to do something. Ok who am I kidding, that's not going to happen. Such a shame.
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On April 08 2012 17:56 HaXXspetten wrote: Thing is even if nothing was technically MKP's or Prime's fault, people will never forget this. Like it or not, people will think about this whenever they think of MKP from no on... and regardless of what you really think of him, it will never quite be the same.
I honestly think winning this finals was bad for MKP. He already has a lot of winnings, a lot of fans and is right now considered the best player in the world. This finals however was, despite a victory for Prime and a 4-kill for MKP, not a true victory for Prime, and everyone will remember that there was no... honor in this victory, I guess you can say. As for MKP himself, this entire incident will unfortunately forever be associated with him, despite his innocense in the matter.
What the fuck are you talking about? How the hell can it be "no honor in this victory" and how can this victory be bad for MKP? And I will always think of MKP the way I have always thought of him, He is fucking awesome!
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On April 08 2012 17:54 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 17:30 aksfjh wrote: As for the first game, it wasn't decisively PartinG's yet. If you have never seen MKP play and his control with minimal units, sure, you could claim that PartinG had that game in the bag. However, there was a lot that could still go wrong for Part and right for MKP that would have put him back in the game. If you go by the final unit counter at disconnect. MKP had 110 supply, 71 scvs. That means 39 supply of attack units, of which probably half are still in production. Let's be generous and give him 30 supply actually on the field. Given that Parting had already hit some of MKP's production facilities, part of that army that pop up would immediately get destroyed. Parting had 148/149 supply(my vod wasn't clear enough to see exactly), 79 probes. That means ~70 supply of units and most of which are on the field except perhaps 1 or 2 colossi. At worst, Parting had twice the army supply of MKP and about to destroy part of potential reinforcements from those barracks. I can't imagine anyone who has ever played the game think MKP had any legit chance. Seriously, how can you believe that? PartinG still had a long way to go before victory. He still had ramps to climb and army to kill when the disconnect happened. Sure, if you're idra, a GG was looming right around the corner (probably would have happened a minute earlier), but in competitive SC2, the game wasn't over yet. Yes, PartinG had a clear advantage, but that doesn't entitle him to a win. Regame was the best option.
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even if it were a wrong decision, 4 wins (and one 95% loss) against 4 of ST's best is nothing to turn your nose up at. the results may have been a travesty, but the series itself was pretty good.
could have gone this way or that way. you remember kespa's screw up in jd vs flash? unfortunately the same deal, one side feels robbed, but the games themselves quite watchable.
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On April 08 2012 17:56 HaXXspetten wrote: Thing is even if nothing was technically MKP's or Prime's fault, people will never forget this. Like it or not, people will think about this whenever they think of MKP from no on... and regardless of what you really think of him, it will never quite be the same.
I honestly think winning this finals was bad for MKP. He already has a lot of winnings, a lot of fans and is right now considered the best player in the world. This finals however was, despite a victory for Prime and a 4-kill for MKP, not a true victory for Prime, and everyone will remember that there was no... honor in this victory, I guess you can say. As for MKP himself, this entire incident will unfortunately forever be associated with him, despite his innocense in the matter.
Rubbish.
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On April 08 2012 17:15 pic wrote: well marineking totaly lost 1 fan from me. if he was such a good hearted person he wouldnt have allowed a rematch himself. even he was gonna call gg within 1 min of the ending of the first match. its to obvious. Which would put him alongside Coca and Naniwa up for ban and public shame. He was OBLIGATED to play it by the officials and had no say in the matter.
Moreover, you and others automatically assume that this match should have been a loss for MarineKing, blatantly disregarding the more informed opinion of all the experienced Korean officials who had the opportunity to analyze the game with a lot more stats and data than we have from the stream.
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Ooohh so some drama happened? :D Anyway, I hope MKP takes IPL as well. =)
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Haven't watched the games but was happy when i heard mkp won his games. Then i come here and realize, this entire thread is the reason why referees exist. Lol.
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pretty much everyone should shut up until the replay comes out.
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Sometimes drama is good, but this situation gives the match a bad karma. Although I believe that the game was not over yet, the decision broke Startale the neck. But a regame was the best decision in my opinion for the situation, but not for the overall final.
But nobody can blame mkp for the decision, it was not his choice to regame.
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So much drama parting had that game. Who decided that they would regame anyway.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
HAHAHAHAHAHA...
such stuff happen in such a HUGE tournament and moment of the match.. and in FRONT of the Blizzard dudes, in FRONT of Dustin Browder.. lol..
pfff whateva, no LAN is cool anyways..
right ?
ST just got FKD in the ***
holy shit man..
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The regame was just stupid. It was obvious that Parting would have won. That decision singlehandedly costed StarTale the series.
Who are the judges? Just so I could boycott them forever.
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I think you guys are missing the point, ---- the disconnect was not MKP's / Team Prime's fault or Parting / Team Startales fault. Also despite what some of you are claiming, the game was not yet 100% over by any means( End Game Points and Graphs do not mean everything). Even if Parting was in a heavily advantageous situation, there is still a decent chance that MKP could have pulled a comeback, especially in the game of Starcraft where almost anything can happen. There is still a chance that Parting could have made mistakes and MKP could of held off the attack. In any professional sport - a hypothetical situation will NOT win you the game/series. A rematch was the proper thing to do and I personally am still a fan of the this GSTL ---- I think the situation was handled properly.
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Wolf and Khaldor said it themselves that they would hate to be the referee at that point in the game. Even the referee would have escalated that to management for sure. Normaly, a re-game would be the only option, no questions. But to think that they took 10? 15? minutes to decide means that they most likely gave the win to Parting at some point during decision making. Feels like regular sports drama if you ask me...which is good.
Hope MKP wins IPL to show his heart regarding this matter.
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On April 08 2012 17:30 aksfjh wrote: If PartinG was at the same skill as MKP (for tonight at least), he would have known how he edged out in the first game and corrected the tiny mistakes he had made.
That's just not the point though. Playing these games isn't to determine "the more skilled player", it's merely to see who wins on the day.
Even if MKP is at a higher skill level, that doesn't mean he "should" be given any more benefit in a regame situation. An upset is an upset, and to take it away is even more game changing than forcing a regame if MKP had been the one in the winning situation.
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There is alot of very uneducated statements being made here, i think almost any progamer will agree that chances of coming back in that situation might not be 0%, but they are not that far away from it. It pretty much requires Parting to suddenly lose his eye sight or something similar to that or to start throwing units away completely mindlessly.
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