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Everyone knows the drill by now.

Keep it manner and have a good time.

We'll be watching along with you.
pic
Profile Joined November 2002
United States162 Posts
April 08 2012 08:15 GMT
#9521
well marineking totaly lost 1 fan from me. if he was such a good hearted person he wouldnt have allowed a rematch himself. even he was gonna call gg within 1 min of the ending of the first match. its to obvious.
sigh
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13023 Posts
April 08 2012 08:16 GMT
#9522
On April 08 2012 16:48 Murkinlol wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/MTuji.jpg

Should have given the win to Parting, no questions asked.

Such stats are depressing as a terran. What happened, storms?

Anyways I'm so happy for Prime and MarineKing :D. Too bad I Could not stay awake much longer at 2am.
WriterMaru
Lann555
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands5173 Posts
April 08 2012 08:17 GMT
#9523
Just watched the VODS. Total robbery as Parting was like 99.8% favored to win that game. Better eco, better army, in the production facility. That's about as bad as it gets for Terran.

Finals was basically over after that, so very disappointing in the ruling. And the lack of LAN/regame-options.
Fantasy Fan! Gogogo vultures
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13023 Posts
April 08 2012 08:18 GMT
#9524
About MKP vs PartinG it's just karma lol. MKP lost a series to viOlet in which he let a regame happen despite being in a huge lead .
WriterMaru
pic
Profile Joined November 2002
United States162 Posts
April 08 2012 08:19 GMT
#9525
On April 08 2012 15:48 sc14s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 15:46 Itsmedudeman wrote:
If someone has a 95% chance to win the game, then it should be given to them. Why does it have to be 100% certain that they'd win? It's much more unfair to the person who is in the lead to force a restart and bringing the game back to even because then it's as if they have to win 2 games in a row as opposed to 1.

both have to win two games.. both expend the same amount of effort in both games.. your logic doesn't follow.




thats retarded if that is true. you could just go in a game make 20 observers. scout everything dc. then come back with a good game plan and win. thats basicly what i saw happen. player a outplayed one player so bad. that he just ran his units around looking at stuff.

game 2 he doesnt do the same thing at all. he changes to the counter of what he lost to.
the other player who won game one. doesnt get to see the changes he really needs to make. because player 1 lost so bad in the first place.

such poor logic.
sigh
Devolved
Profile Joined April 2008
United States2753 Posts
April 08 2012 08:20 GMT
#9526
On April 08 2012 17:16 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 16:48 Murkinlol wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/MTuji.jpg

Should have given the win to Parting, no questions asked.

Such stats are depressing as a terran. What happened, storms?

Anyways I'm so happy for Prime and MarineKing :D. Too bad I Could not stay awake much longer at 2am.

Storms, Chargelots, Archons and a couple of Colossi for good measure.
$♥$
MaNaVoId
Profile Joined February 2012
492 Posts
April 08 2012 08:20 GMT
#9527
Not to mention that parting was ahead in supply with high tier units whereas marineking was down in supply with tier 1 units without medivac support, even if he can miraculously hold the push by sacrificing all his scvs, where can he go from there? parting can just double expand with the advantage and easily shut down at least 2 of marineking's mining bases and win in the next 2 min
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
April 08 2012 08:26 GMT
#9528
On April 08 2012 17:06 Furniture wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 16:38 Let it Raine wrote:
On April 08 2012 16:24 PlosionCornu wrote:
This thing is not about the lack of LAN, that would not solve disconnect problems related to computers suddently crashing/overheating.

A save/reload game function like warcraft 3, or a disconnect/rejoin one like dota 2 would be much much much better than LAN will ever be.


i like this idea

it also makes the most sense given that blizzard has said they would have to essentially rebuild the entire multiplayer aspect of the game to add in lan


they don't need to even do that.

actually the most simple of fixes is actually blizzard lending (as part of the sponsorship) a battle.net server connected locally on lan, you probably don't even need a huge machine since it 'll be running a couple of matches at a single time.

The most expensive thing of this is probably paying a blizzard guy to run the whole thing on site.


Probably cost too much money for something that doesn't happen often. Also, IPL4 actually had observers from Korea and China for their local casts, so I don't think a local server works in that case. No, this doesn't affect GSTL, but just pointing out that sometimes games are observed in other areas of the world. A rejoin/reload function, if possible, would most certainly be the best way to take care of all problems.
Meh
GhostFall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States830 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-08 08:29:37
April 08 2012 08:29 GMT
#9529
Not going to lie, I completely lost interest after MKP won the regame, and just turned off the stream after he kept on winning.

GSTL was completely ruined and tainted. Parting was robbed of one of the best PvT games ever in the history of SC2. Prime was robbed of being considered true champions.

Thanks blizz.
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
April 08 2012 08:30 GMT
#9530
On April 08 2012 17:19 pic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 15:48 sc14s wrote:
On April 08 2012 15:46 Itsmedudeman wrote:
If someone has a 95% chance to win the game, then it should be given to them. Why does it have to be 100% certain that they'd win? It's much more unfair to the person who is in the lead to force a restart and bringing the game back to even because then it's as if they have to win 2 games in a row as opposed to 1.

both have to win two games.. both expend the same amount of effort in both games.. your logic doesn't follow.




thats retarded if that is true. you could just go in a game make 20 observers. scout everything dc. then come back with a good game plan and win. thats basicly what i saw happen. player a outplayed one player so bad. that he just ran his units around looking at stuff.

game 2 he doesnt do the same thing at all. he changes to the counter of what he lost to.
the other player who won game one. doesnt get to see the changes he really needs to make. because player 1 lost so bad in the first place.

such poor logic.

That's not what happened at all... Both players ultimately played the same game, except MKP made some slightly better micro decisions in the regame compared to PartinG. If PartinG was at the same skill as MKP (for tonight at least), he would have known how he edged out in the first game and corrected the tiny mistakes he had made.

As for the first game, it wasn't decisively PartinG's yet. If you have never seen MKP play and his control with minimal units, sure, you could claim that PartinG had that game in the bag. However, there was a lot that could still go wrong for Part and right for MKP that would have put him back in the game.
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4420 Posts
April 08 2012 08:32 GMT
#9531
What they really should have done is just delayed the finals and had someone recreate the situation in the map editor. How long would it take to do something like that? I don't know much about the SC2 map editor but judging from playing around in the WC3 editor it seems like someone who really knows what they are doing could do it in a couple of hours.
MaNaVoId
Profile Joined February 2012
492 Posts
April 08 2012 08:33 GMT
#9532
On April 08 2012 17:29 GhostFall wrote:
Not going to lie, I completely lost interest after MKP won the regame, and just turned off the stream after he kept on winning.

GSTL was completely ruined and tainted. Parting was robbed of one of the best PvT games ever in the history of SC2. Prime was robbed of being considered true champions.

Thanks blizz.


I dun think prime is being robbed of being considered true champions, they dun have much chance of winning if the match was given a fair ruling.
babybell
Profile Joined June 2011
776 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-08 08:45:00
April 08 2012 08:34 GMT
#9533
edit: corrected

But about Prime not feeling like the trua champions, please, you are missing a single point:

Byun could 10-kill any team.
tommym
Profile Joined August 2011
42 Posts
April 08 2012 08:39 GMT
#9534
Epic fail!
BarbieHsu
Profile Joined September 2011
574 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-08 08:47:28
April 08 2012 08:42 GMT
#9535
rothsbury
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia1654 Posts
April 08 2012 08:42 GMT
#9536
On April 08 2012 17:34 babybell wrote:
I saw Wolf and liquipedia saying that it was MarineKing's computer that disconnected. I am pretty sure it was Parting's actually.


But about Prime not feeling like the trua champions, please, you are missing a single point:

Byun could 10-kill any team.

It was MKP's: http://i.imgur.com/yznqp.jpg
babybell
Profile Joined June 2011
776 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-08 08:45:29
April 08 2012 08:44 GMT
#9537
wouldn't it be awesome if blizzard had a function for tournaments ( an external program) that turned replays into playable maps that began in the way the replays ended?

also is the replay out for grabs?
ravemir
Profile Joined April 2011
Portugal595 Posts
April 08 2012 08:49 GMT
#9538
Wow, big controversy...well, anyways, congratulations to Prime! Let's see if they can win both in one weekend!

Bummer that I couldn't record the event :S
"more gg, more skill"
dormer
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1314 Posts
April 08 2012 08:54 GMT
#9539
Not to abuse the meme, but I think the real lose today was esports. The long GSTL season is finally coming to an end, they're doing the finals overseas for the first time at IPL, which is itself a huge event with a ton of hype behind it, and what should have been an awesome climax is now tainted because of the game's limitations.

Whether you agree with the regame decision or not, the fact that it has to come to that is not right. I understand that Blizz is first and foremost a business, so they have concerns about allowing LAN, but to not have any other workaround or safeguard against this sort of event really hurts the competitive scene. At least, it did today.

Granted, this kind of thing is really rare in major tournaments, and having a drop or DC at such a bad time is pretty bad luck, but just, wow... This should have been one of the highlights of the year, and now everyone just feels awful and upset. I feel bad for Startale -- while I think a regame was probably the best decision, that's an awful way to lose.

I just hope the final day of IPL is amazing and helps make up for some of the heartbreak today.
Artosis: "You need to hold my hand." Tasteless: "I'm very good at that."
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
April 08 2012 08:54 GMT
#9540
On April 08 2012 17:30 aksfjh wrote:
As for the first game, it wasn't decisively PartinG's yet. If you have never seen MKP play and his control with minimal units, sure, you could claim that PartinG had that game in the bag. However, there was a lot that could still go wrong for Part and right for MKP that would have put him back in the game.


If you go by the final unit counter at disconnect.

MKP had 110 supply, 71 scvs. That means 39 supply of attack units, of which probably half are still in production. Let's be generous and give him 30 supply actually on the field. Given that Parting had already hit some of MKP's production facilities, part of that army that pop up would immediately get destroyed.
Parting had 148/149 supply(my vod wasn't clear enough to see exactly), 79 probes. That means ~70 supply of units and most of which are on the field except perhaps 1 or 2 colossi. At worst, Parting had twice the army supply of MKP and about to destroy part of potential reinforcements from those barracks.

I can't imagine anyone who has ever played the game think MKP had any legit chance. Seriously, how can you believe that?
Meh
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