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Everyone knows the drill by now.

Keep it manner and have a good time.

We'll be watching along with you.
Let it Raine
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1245 Posts
April 08 2012 07:12 GMT
#9501
who were the judges? ipl people or gomtv people?
Grandmaster Zerg x14. Diamond 1 LoL. MLG 50, Halo 3. Raine.
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
April 08 2012 07:13 GMT
#9502
On April 08 2012 16:00 Za7oX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 15:57 Whitewing wrote:
On April 08 2012 15:55 Za7oX wrote:
On April 08 2012 15:46 Itsmedudeman wrote:
If someone has a 95% chance to win the game, then it should be given to them. Why does it have to be 100% certain that they'd win? It's much more unfair to the person who is in the lead to force a restart and bringing the game back to even because then it's as if they have to win 2 games in a row as opposed to 1.


If they thought that a re-game was the right choice they wouldn't have taken 15+minutes to decide. Whoever it came down to to make the decision didn't have the balls to give the game to parting. MKP is primes everything. If the series went 3-1 in favor of ST with MKP out of the picture ST is basically on the verge of taking the whole thing. But if they re-game they just start from scratch and the Bo9 will continue basically even. GOM (or just some ref) took the easy way out.

I was enjoying this finals more than anything so far in SC2. I was fucking pumped my heart was racing and then after Parting lost the re-game i felt sick to my stomach. It's so sad. It was shaping up to be one of the best SC2 events and played out in such a depressing way


Actually it's the other way around: it's generally the default position to go to a regame. Unless you actually think one player had the win clearly, it takes almost no time to decide a regame. That it took this long means a lot of them were leaning towards giving it to parting.


That is what i said

If they thought that a re-game was the right choice they wouldn't have taken 15+minutes to decide.


Ah I misread, sorry.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
April 08 2012 07:15 GMT
#9503
On April 08 2012 16:12 Let it Raine wrote:
who were the judges? ipl people or gomtv people?


GOMTV people.
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
April 08 2012 07:15 GMT
#9504
On April 08 2012 15:59 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 15:55 Za7oX wrote:
On April 08 2012 15:46 Itsmedudeman wrote:
If someone has a 95% chance to win the game, then it should be given to them. Why does it have to be 100% certain that they'd win? It's much more unfair to the person who is in the lead to force a restart and bringing the game back to even because then it's as if they have to win 2 games in a row as opposed to 1.


If they thought that a re-game was the right choice they wouldn't have taken 15+minutes to decide. Whoever it came down to to make the decision didn't have the balls to give the game to parting. MKP is primes everything. If the series went 3-1 in favor of ST with MKP out of the picture ST is basically on the verge of taking the whole thing. But if they re-game they just start from scratch and the Bo9 will continue basically even. GOM (or just some ref) took the easy way out.

I was enjoying this finals more than anything so far in SC2. I was fucking pumped my heart was racing and then after Parting lost the re-game i felt sick to my stomach. It's so sad. It was shaping up to be one of the best SC2 events and played out in such a depressing way

I think most people looking at the game would say that Parting had AT LEAST a 90% chance to win that game. But then they bring it back to 50/50 because it's not 100% clear. There was also probably business reasons that affected that decision. You have MKP, one of the most popular players in the game and the ace of Prime playing after all.

The thing they SHOULD have done imo that would have been MUCH more fair is award the win to Parting, change Parting vs. MKP to a bo3.


The thing is, it's not 50/50. In korea, winrates on average have TvP heavily favoring the terran, and I mean heavily. Even parting, who is probably the best PvT player in the world right now, has a bad record against MKP, so it's more like a 30-40% chance for parting in a regame. Taking away the win he had earned is a HUGE blow when you beat someone whom you generally don't beat.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
DMKraft
Profile Joined December 2010
476 Posts
April 08 2012 07:20 GMT
#9505
I see where this is going.

Patch notes:
Balance changes.
Terran:
All disconnects will count as losses regardless of who disconnected.
Reason: Whinging on TL, like most of our balance changes.
PlosionCornu
Profile Joined August 2010
Italy814 Posts
April 08 2012 07:24 GMT
#9506
This thing is not about the lack of LAN, that would not solve disconnect problems related to computers suddently crashing/overheating.

A save/reload game function like warcraft 3, or a disconnect/rejoin one like dota 2 would be much much much better than LAN will ever be.
paintfive
Profile Joined September 2011
785 Posts
April 08 2012 07:37 GMT
#9507
On April 08 2012 16:24 PlosionCornu wrote:
This thing is not about the lack of LAN, that would not solve disconnect problems related to computers suddently crashing/overheating.

A save/reload game function like warcraft 3, or a disconnect/rejoin one like dota 2 would be much much much better than LAN will ever be.


no latency would be pretty nice, don't you think?
Let it Raine
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1245 Posts
April 08 2012 07:38 GMT
#9508
On April 08 2012 16:24 PlosionCornu wrote:
This thing is not about the lack of LAN, that would not solve disconnect problems related to computers suddently crashing/overheating.

A save/reload game function like warcraft 3, or a disconnect/rejoin one like dota 2 would be much much much better than LAN will ever be.


i like this idea

it also makes the most sense given that blizzard has said they would have to essentially rebuild the entire multiplayer aspect of the game to add in lan
Grandmaster Zerg x14. Diamond 1 LoL. MLG 50, Halo 3. Raine.
ragnorr
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark6097 Posts
April 08 2012 07:42 GMT
#9509
On April 08 2012 16:37 paintfive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 16:24 PlosionCornu wrote:
This thing is not about the lack of LAN, that would not solve disconnect problems related to computers suddently crashing/overheating.

A save/reload game function like warcraft 3, or a disconnect/rejoin one like dota 2 would be much much much better than LAN will ever be.


no latency would be pretty nice, don't you think?

Yes but doubt lan will happen. At least save state and reconnect functions wont change how you still require bnet to operate which gets blizzard what they want
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
April 08 2012 07:43 GMT
#9510
marineking is too good
pak150
Profile Joined September 2010
United States531 Posts
April 08 2012 07:45 GMT
#9511
Time to introduce the asterisk to this season's GSTL listing on TLPD
Murkinlol
Profile Joined August 2010
United States366 Posts
April 08 2012 07:48 GMT
#9512
http://i.imgur.com/MTuji.jpg

Should have given the win to Parting, no questions asked.
Ratchets, designer jackets
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
April 08 2012 07:49 GMT
#9513
Watching the VODs, audio issues eurgh D:
Lennient
Profile Joined January 2012
497 Posts
April 08 2012 07:50 GMT
#9514
I wonder what the Korean netizens think about this. Anyway, gratz to Prime for winning their 1st GSTL.
Chinchillin
Profile Joined February 2011
United States259 Posts
April 08 2012 08:00 GMT
#9515
On April 08 2012 16:08 W2 wrote:
Fan favorite Marineking gets an all-kill on the big stage in the finals. You got your story, gomtv. Well done


You need to grow up chil'
Leenocktopus! InNoVation!
Furniture
Profile Joined March 2011
Chile6 Posts
April 08 2012 08:06 GMT
#9516
On April 08 2012 16:38 Let it Raine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 16:24 PlosionCornu wrote:
This thing is not about the lack of LAN, that would not solve disconnect problems related to computers suddently crashing/overheating.

A save/reload game function like warcraft 3, or a disconnect/rejoin one like dota 2 would be much much much better than LAN will ever be.


i like this idea

it also makes the most sense given that blizzard has said they would have to essentially rebuild the entire multiplayer aspect of the game to add in lan


they don't need to even do that.

actually the most simple of fixes is actually blizzard lending (as part of the sponsorship) a battle.net server connected locally on lan, you probably don't even need a huge machine since it 'll be running a couple of matches at a single time.

The most expensive thing of this is probably paying a blizzard guy to run the whole thing on site.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
April 08 2012 08:07 GMT
#9517
The decision was made by the gom officials so I don't think it is fair to blame MKP or prime. In their position, most people would just take the call of the referees. Happens in other sports all the time.
Elwar
Profile Joined August 2010
953 Posts
April 08 2012 08:08 GMT
#9518
Just watched the vod, so I'm LTTP on giving my thoughts. All I can say is I have a massive loss of respect for GOM/GOMs referees. I honestly think they just chose the easy way out and thus the end result is 13 weeks of time wasted. Wont be watching future GSTLs.
INIG0Montoya
Profile Joined April 2012
10 Posts
April 08 2012 08:09 GMT
#9519
lol, terran tier 1 units beating toss tier 3 units for 20 minutes and winning the game. Not sure why I even watch this anymore. Yes, Terran suck upon the tits of blizzard's favorite race. Er.. I mean... wow! so much skill!! that tier 1 unit usage was so amazing!!!!

User was warned for this post
INIG0Montoya
Profile Joined April 2012
10 Posts
April 08 2012 08:13 GMT
#9520
I don't care how good your marine/marauder micro is. One tier 1 unit composition should not be able to beat tier 3 for 20 minutes and then win the game.

But the noobs love it, so what does it matter.
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