EPT[GSTL] 2012 Season 1 Grand Finals - Page 486
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Everyone knows the drill by now. Keep it manner and have a good time. We'll be watching along with you. | ||
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Account252508
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noddy
United Kingdom927 Posts
On April 08 2012 23:30 Serinox wrote: No, because they were very even and Bombers drop failed. They weren't even. Bomber had double the SCVs, a third base. MarineKing had one mining base and barely had an army. He lost the game at that point. | ||
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CrAzEdBaDgEr
Canada166 Posts
On April 08 2012 23:45 noddy wrote: They weren't even. Bomber had double the SCVs, a third base. MarineKing had one mining base and barely had an army. He lost the game at that point. This is exactly the reason why a regame was necessary - there have been so many other similar situations where the losing player came back to win. If the reverse happened and a disconnect happened immediately following the manner mule, and a Bomber win was called, I actually think there'd be less uproar than there is now, even though in hindsight we know it would have been the wrong call. Yes, Parting was ahead. Do we know MKP wouldn't have been able to pull it out in a game where mistakes can be made and players have imperfect knowledge? Of course not. Earlier in the game MKP had a decent advantage...does that mean he should have been declared the winner if a disconnect happened earlier? Of course not. | ||
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epicdemic
Netherlands137 Posts
On April 08 2012 23:50 CrAzEdBaDgEr wrote: This is exactly the reason why a regame was necessary - there have been so many other similar situations where the losing player came back to win. If the reverse happened and a disconnect happened immediately following the manner mule, and a Bomber win was called, I actually think there'd be less uproar than there is now, even though in hindsight we know it would have been the wrong call. Yes, Parting was ahead. Do we know MKP wouldn't have been able to pull it out in a game where mistakes can be made and players have imperfect knowledge? Of course not. Earlier in the game MKP had a decent advantage...does that mean he should have been declared the winner if a disconnect happened earlier? Of course not. No. Regame is for when both players still have a chance at winning, not when one player has such a disadvantage that it's near impossible to come back. Because what if MKP still had 1 marine on the map but Parting uses hold position micro? MKP can still win. It's not likely, but it's possible. Also MKP's advantage in the earlier stages of the game was nowhere near enough to ensure a win, even if he played perfectly. Whereas if Parting played perfectly, he would have won no doubt. There was simply not a single thing MKP could do to come back in the game. | ||
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hZCube
87 Posts
"the game doesn't need LAN, it needs to have save games for multiplayer." This would of been easy to solve if the players could of loaded up the game and carried on from the crash point - used to happen in the Age of games. Referee could of used his replay/save game, and just restored and continued. Hopefully some good will come from this, to be fair, Mike's face in that photo looks genuinely concerned by what's happened, and I'm sure it's not just about he financial/pr consequences. On the decision, I think its *almost* impossible to call a result before the game is over, and to be honest, with how close that game had been/was numerically, it still could of gone either way. Being in someone's favor does not mean its over. | ||
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halfies
United Kingdom327 Posts
On April 08 2012 23:05 valaki wrote: I didn't watch the game but 6 viking + 2 marauder vs. 18 zealot 6 stalker 8 templar, how is that not decided? because its MKP. everyone loves him. i mean, in theory, he could have come back, but partings templars are imba, and thats a huge amount to be down by. still, the only people to blame are blizzard for being so shit | ||
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Chinchillin
United States259 Posts
On April 08 2012 17:15 pic wrote: well marineking totaly lost 1 fan from me. if he was such a good hearted person he wouldnt have allowed a rematch himself. even he was gonna call gg within 1 min of the ending of the first match. its to obvious. You're an idiot. If it even was his decision, you're telling me you wouldn't do a regame for a tournament worth nearly $100,000? It's a business, not some little ladder game you fool. You're delusional little bronzie. User was warned for this post | ||
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CrAzEdBaDgEr
Canada166 Posts
On April 09 2012 00:01 epicdemic wrote: No. Regame is for when both players still have a chance at winning, not when one player has such a disadvantage that it's near impossible to come back. Because what if MKP still had 1 marine on the map but Parting uses hold position micro? MKP can still win. It's not likely, but it's possible. Also MKP's advantage in the earlier stages of the game was nowhere near enough to ensure a win, even if he played perfectly. Whereas if Parting played perfectly, he would have won no doubt. There was simply not a single thing MKP could do to come back in the game. Don't use strawman arguments - there was vastly more than one marine left, and the probability for an upset was infinitely higher than "near impossible". Again, how would you have felt in the MKP vs. Bomber game? What about some of the other crazy comebacks we've seen? | ||
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CeriseCherries
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Zoomacroom
36 Posts
Forfeiting was not his decision to make. If it was an individual league, then fine; the consequences would have been only his to bear. But when he's representing his team, the decision to forfeit needs to be made by the Prime team and especially the coach. Some fans are upset that he didn't forfeit, but he certainly would have upset many on his team by choosing to forfeit and putting them at a disadvantage in their most important series of the year. MKP can't just choose to forfeit by himself when his choice has consequences for his whole team. It's a shitty situation for sure, but take it out on Blizzard, not on MKP. | ||
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iSunrise
3302 Posts
What is left is happiness that I could be part of this amazing event, but also a very sour taste that even stays when I rewatch from the very beginning. And I so wanted to rewatch this great finals weekend. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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epicdemic
Netherlands137 Posts
On April 09 2012 00:09 CrAzEdBaDgEr wrote: Don't use strawman arguments - there was vastly more than one marine left, and the probability for an upset was infinitely higher than "near impossible". Again, how would you have felt in the MKP vs. Bomber game? What about some of the other crazy comebacks we've seen? Don't put words in my mouth. I never compared the two situations. I just pointed out a flaw in his philosophy. As for the bomber game, I haven't studied that one enough so I won't comment on that. | ||
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ppdealer
Canada163 Posts
On April 08 2012 23:45 noddy wrote: They weren't even. Bomber had double the SCVs, a third base. MarineKing had one mining base and barely had an army. He lost the game at that point. That's completely wrong, did you even watch the game? MKP had over twice the amount Siege Tanks Bomber had, and a much higher army supply overall. How do you think he won the base trade? Not because of his superior micro that's for sure. In his game against Parting, he had no army left, his main and natural 5 seconds away from Parting's 50 supply army full of chargelots, Blink Stalkers, and HTs, and more warping in directly in his base from a Warp Prism. | ||
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
Answer : Prime sends out MarineKing..... | ||
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SuperYo1000
United States880 Posts
On April 09 2012 00:07 Chinchillin wrote: You're an idiot. If it even was his decision, you're telling me you wouldn't do a regame for a tournament worth nearly $100,000? It's a business, not some little ladder game you fool. You're delusional little bronzie. what does that have to do with him being a fan numb nuts. THNIK before you post you delusional marine king nut hugger | ||
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Fubi
2228 Posts
On April 09 2012 00:41 ppdealer wrote: That's completely wrong, did you even watch the game? MKP had over twice the amount Siege Tanks Bomber had, and a much higher army supply overall. How do you think he won the base trade? Not because of his superior micro that's for sure. In his game against Parting, he had no army left, his main and natural 5 seconds away from Parting's 50 supply army full of chargelots, Blink Stalkers, and HTs, and more warping in directly in his base from a Warp Prism. You can easily defend a base with 2 seige tanks (1 more popping out) against 5. It was a 80% win if bomber simply sat in his base until he maxes out before MKP, and attack. MKP had half the # of workers, and 1 mining base vs 2. Bomber messed up, because players make mistakes, and because they don't know what we know. And this is the exact reason why the regame is justified. Parting does NOT know what MKP has, what his production are, when his next wave of units are going to pop out, etc. So yes, from OUR point of view, if he can definitely win if he does this, and that. But that's theorycrafting; we can't assume that Parting really would of done this and that. Parting might of tries to play it safe (safe from his point of view) and pull back, get his economy back up more, and attack when he has a much bigger army; but at that point MKP would of recovered part of his army and might be able to win with his micro. The point is, we won't know for a fact what players will do FROM THEIR point of view. | ||
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adiga
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CrAzEdBaDgEr
Canada166 Posts
On April 09 2012 00:34 epicdemic wrote: Don't put words in my mouth. I never compared the two situations. I just pointed out a flaw in his philosophy. As for the bomber game, I haven't studied that one enough so I won't comment on that. You did compare them - you compared the chance for a comeback in this game to a chance for a comeback in a game with one marine. If your intent wasn't to draw a comparison, you wouldn't have mentioned a scenario where one marine was left, because it's irrelevant. Anyways, I understand what you're saying, and I think the real argument surrounds what the chance of winning was. Was it 1%? 5%? 10%? 30%? Who knows? | ||
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Lunareste
United States3596 Posts
On April 09 2012 00:41 ppdealer wrote: That's completely wrong, did you even watch the game? MKP had over twice the amount Siege Tanks Bomber had, and a much higher army supply overall. How do you think he won the base trade? Not because of his superior micro that's for sure. In his game against Parting, he had no army left, his main and natural 5 seconds away from Parting's 50 supply army full of chargelots, Blink Stalkers, and HTs, and more warping in directly in his base from a Warp Prism. I guess it's a good thing that the HTs were in Parting's base across the map, the warp prism was being pursued by Vikings, and 5 Marauders and some Marines were literally seconds from popping out (before 16 charge lots and 6 stalkers would have arrived in his production facilities) | ||
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