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On March 24 2012 14:10 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 14:05 Bagration wrote:On March 24 2012 14:04 Shellshock1122 wrote:
NonY made it to round 5. He's facing ThorZain tomorrow Not bad, not bad at all. That is the easiest bracket by far, no Koreans, no big names. Thorzain got really lucky IMO.
Bling is the only threat to Thorzain in that bracket imo.
His PvT is excellent and they should know each others styles pretty well.
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If jinro beats Idra he will face JYP likely who is awful in PvT so he could make the pools! Huk owning it up too! Too bad Incontrol ran into Symbol so quick. Hope tomorrow he has more luck 
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On March 24 2012 14:12 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 14:08 BBMorti wrote:On March 24 2012 14:05 1Eris1 wrote:On March 24 2012 14:00 BBMorti wrote:On March 24 2012 13:58 1Eris1 wrote:On March 24 2012 13:56 Wildmoon wrote:On March 24 2012 13:55 BBMorti wrote:On March 24 2012 13:51 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 24 2012 13:44 lannisport wrote:
So who can actually take Stephano on in a straight up zvt? I'd really like to see him against MMA, MVP or jjakji. Not taking any credit away from Polt, but it seems like if you let Stephano macro up he will just overrun you. I think he has BETTER infestor control/BL/late game army control than ANY zerg right now, including DRG. And he shuts down drops fairly easily plus likes to play safe with spines. Any Code S terran can take stephano in macro games, including Polt. One perfect example would be alive, who is undefeated against stephano, and all the games weren't even close. Polt gets destroyed in long macro games versus Stephano, check their history. There is a reason why Polt want to avoid such games.. Game 1 is terran favored (map) if they go tanks, but in longer series I doubt polt would ever want to play the macro game with Stephano. Their series in Texas shows what happens. Weren't the games in Assemmbly mostly macro game and Polt won 4-1? It's a fanboy in a LR thread, do you honestly expect them to not cherry pick details to reinforce their points? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony You made a generalized all out assuming statement, he provided you with something that showed that wasn't true. Good try though. Nono it flew over your head bro. Let me quote mine it for you, then. "A situation is often said to be ironic (situational irony) if the actions taken have an effect exactly opposite from what was intended." So fitting to your retarded remark about me being a fanboy. Not really. You spefically ignored certain results when you made your point, and he pointed that out. He didn't cherry pick anything, he was just referencing that your broad statement is incorrect, which means it isn't ironic. And nice, "retarded remark"? Now I remember why I hate SC2 LR threads and Stephano fans.
Can you even read? It was specified on you that link, not him. I will just leave you to your random hating on the SC2 TL threads and all the phantom Stephano fans you see everywhere.
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Only counting Open Bracket round 4 wins and pool play Koreans went 21-2 in bo3s vs foreigners today. Huk and Sase were the only 2 players to beat a Korean today. 42-13 in games.
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On March 24 2012 14:15 JJH777 wrote:
Only counting Open Bracket round 4 wins and pool play Koreans went 21-2 in bo3s vs foreigners today. Huk and Sase were the only 2 players to beat a Korean today. 42-13 in games.
woooo! foreign protoss!!
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On March 24 2012 14:07 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 14:05 Lysanias wrote:On March 24 2012 13:58 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 24 2012 13:52 MattyClutch wrote:On March 24 2012 13:51 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 24 2012 13:44 lannisport wrote:
So who can actually take Stephano on in a straight up zvt? I'd really like to see him against MMA, MVP or jjakji. Not taking any credit away from Polt, but it seems like if you let Stephano macro up he will just overrun you. I think he has BETTER infestor control/BL/late game army control than ANY zerg right now, including DRG. And he shuts down drops fairly easily plus likes to play safe with spines. Any Code S terran can take stephano in macro games, including Polt. One perfect example would be alive, who is undefeated against stephano, and all the games weren't even close. I would say overall I agree with you, but Stephano has more than shown that he can stand toe to toe with Polt. I wouldn't so easily write him off. Yes, he did lose, but he lost in a pretty great series. Yeah Polt and Stephano are pretty evenly matched, but I really don't think Polt vZ is that good for the standard of Code S. His TvZ actually ranks 18th in Korean TLPD, not really spectacular. I agree that there are stronger terrans vs Z but i can't name 18 better ones then Polt right now, TLPD is great but it only says overall points not the current play. Polt's TvZ is his weak point, but he has vastly improved from where he was a while ago. He faced Leenock in Code S not too long ago and was able to go 1-1 against him, beat Nestea in the Blizzard Cup, etc. MMA, MVP (when he has wrists) and MKP are way better vZ, but Polt's pretty damn good at it. I wouldn't mind seeing Alive vs. Stephano. That could be a good gauge of how good Stephano is and how good Polt's vZ is.
Polt is shaky vs. Stephano in macro games because he never prepares for brood lords and refuses to use ghosts.
The latter is okay, the former is not. Every game Polt plays vs. Stephano in a macro game he gets caught with his pants down against broods and then he puts down three star ports and it's an uphill battle.
He meta-games too much with tanks vs. Stephano. Adding marauders is okay but that many tanks is not needed unless you know your opponent is going ultras. He is better off preparing for a brood transition with vikings or getting more thors and mech upgrades.
The thing with Polt's TvZ is that because he meets Stephano in every tournament he's developed a style that's designed to do well vs. Stephano and practiced it a lot. Yet, it still ends up being a 50-50 win rate vs. Stephano, and he sacrifices practicing his normal TvZ against mutas and banelings for it.
I would like to see Polt go up against DRG this MLG. DRG's ZvT style is unique - he uses mutas and ling infestor. I want to see how Polt meta-games against that.
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On March 24 2012 14:07 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 14:05 Lysanias wrote:On March 24 2012 13:58 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 24 2012 13:52 MattyClutch wrote:On March 24 2012 13:51 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 24 2012 13:44 lannisport wrote:
So who can actually take Stephano on in a straight up zvt? I'd really like to see him against MMA, MVP or jjakji. Not taking any credit away from Polt, but it seems like if you let Stephano macro up he will just overrun you. I think he has BETTER infestor control/BL/late game army control than ANY zerg right now, including DRG. And he shuts down drops fairly easily plus likes to play safe with spines. Any Code S terran can take stephano in macro games, including Polt. One perfect example would be alive, who is undefeated against stephano, and all the games weren't even close. I would say overall I agree with you, but Stephano has more than shown that he can stand toe to toe with Polt. I wouldn't so easily write him off. Yes, he did lose, but he lost in a pretty great series. Yeah Polt and Stephano are pretty evenly matched, but I really don't think Polt vZ is that good for the standard of Code S. His TvZ actually ranks 18th in Korean TLPD, not really spectacular. I agree that there are stronger terrans vs Z but i can't name 18 better ones then Polt right now, TLPD is great but it only says overall points not the current play. Polt's TvZ is his weak point, but he has vastly improved from where he was a while ago. He faced Leenock in Code S not too long ago and was able to go 1-1 against him, beat Nestea in the Blizzard Cup, etc. MMA, MVP (when he has wrists) and MKP are way better vZ, but Polt's pretty damn good at it. I wouldn't mind seeing Alive vs. Stephano. That could be a good gauge of how good Stephano is and how good Polt's vZ is.
well stephano's weakest MU according to him is ZvT
So they are both playing their weakest match ups against each other, but it's still at a high level
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On March 24 2012 14:16 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 14:07 Fionn wrote:On March 24 2012 14:05 Lysanias wrote:On March 24 2012 13:58 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 24 2012 13:52 MattyClutch wrote:On March 24 2012 13:51 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 24 2012 13:44 lannisport wrote:
So who can actually take Stephano on in a straight up zvt? I'd really like to see him against MMA, MVP or jjakji. Not taking any credit away from Polt, but it seems like if you let Stephano macro up he will just overrun you. I think he has BETTER infestor control/BL/late game army control than ANY zerg right now, including DRG. And he shuts down drops fairly easily plus likes to play safe with spines. Any Code S terran can take stephano in macro games, including Polt. One perfect example would be alive, who is undefeated against stephano, and all the games weren't even close. I would say overall I agree with you, but Stephano has more than shown that he can stand toe to toe with Polt. I wouldn't so easily write him off. Yes, he did lose, but he lost in a pretty great series. Yeah Polt and Stephano are pretty evenly matched, but I really don't think Polt vZ is that good for the standard of Code S. His TvZ actually ranks 18th in Korean TLPD, not really spectacular. I agree that there are stronger terrans vs Z but i can't name 18 better ones then Polt right now, TLPD is great but it only says overall points not the current play. Polt's TvZ is his weak point, but he has vastly improved from where he was a while ago. He faced Leenock in Code S not too long ago and was able to go 1-1 against him, beat Nestea in the Blizzard Cup, etc. MMA, MVP (when he has wrists) and MKP are way better vZ, but Polt's pretty damn good at it. I wouldn't mind seeing Alive vs. Stephano. That could be a good gauge of how good Stephano is and how good Polt's vZ is. he sacrifices practicing his normal TvZ against mutas and banelings for it.
I would argue ling/infestor is the more "normal" TvZ than bling/muta at this point.
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On March 24 2012 14:17 illsick wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 14:07 Fionn wrote:On March 24 2012 14:05 Lysanias wrote:On March 24 2012 13:58 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 24 2012 13:52 MattyClutch wrote:On March 24 2012 13:51 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 24 2012 13:44 lannisport wrote:
So who can actually take Stephano on in a straight up zvt? I'd really like to see him against MMA, MVP or jjakji. Not taking any credit away from Polt, but it seems like if you let Stephano macro up he will just overrun you. I think he has BETTER infestor control/BL/late game army control than ANY zerg right now, including DRG. And he shuts down drops fairly easily plus likes to play safe with spines. Any Code S terran can take stephano in macro games, including Polt. One perfect example would be alive, who is undefeated against stephano, and all the games weren't even close. I would say overall I agree with you, but Stephano has more than shown that he can stand toe to toe with Polt. I wouldn't so easily write him off. Yes, he did lose, but he lost in a pretty great series. Yeah Polt and Stephano are pretty evenly matched, but I really don't think Polt vZ is that good for the standard of Code S. His TvZ actually ranks 18th in Korean TLPD, not really spectacular. I agree that there are stronger terrans vs Z but i can't name 18 better ones then Polt right now, TLPD is great but it only says overall points not the current play. Polt's TvZ is his weak point, but he has vastly improved from where he was a while ago. He faced Leenock in Code S not too long ago and was able to go 1-1 against him, beat Nestea in the Blizzard Cup, etc. MMA, MVP (when he has wrists) and MKP are way better vZ, but Polt's pretty damn good at it. I wouldn't mind seeing Alive vs. Stephano. That could be a good gauge of how good Stephano is and how good Polt's vZ is. well stephano's weakest MU according to him is ZvT So they are both playing their weakest match ups against each other, but it's still at a high level
I thought Stephano has stated that ZvZ is his weakest MU and the one he feels the most uneasy about. Due grant I recall this during IPL3 and and what not. Haven't heard too much from Stephano about his stance on ZvT and what not.
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On March 24 2012 14:16 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 14:07 Fionn wrote:On March 24 2012 14:05 Lysanias wrote:On March 24 2012 13:58 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 24 2012 13:52 MattyClutch wrote:On March 24 2012 13:51 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 24 2012 13:44 lannisport wrote:
So who can actually take Stephano on in a straight up zvt? I'd really like to see him against MMA, MVP or jjakji. Not taking any credit away from Polt, but it seems like if you let Stephano macro up he will just overrun you. I think he has BETTER infestor control/BL/late game army control than ANY zerg right now, including DRG. And he shuts down drops fairly easily plus likes to play safe with spines. Any Code S terran can take stephano in macro games, including Polt. One perfect example would be alive, who is undefeated against stephano, and all the games weren't even close. I would say overall I agree with you, but Stephano has more than shown that he can stand toe to toe with Polt. I wouldn't so easily write him off. Yes, he did lose, but he lost in a pretty great series. Yeah Polt and Stephano are pretty evenly matched, but I really don't think Polt vZ is that good for the standard of Code S. His TvZ actually ranks 18th in Korean TLPD, not really spectacular. I agree that there are stronger terrans vs Z but i can't name 18 better ones then Polt right now, TLPD is great but it only says overall points not the current play. Polt's TvZ is his weak point, but he has vastly improved from where he was a while ago. He faced Leenock in Code S not too long ago and was able to go 1-1 against him, beat Nestea in the Blizzard Cup, etc. MMA, MVP (when he has wrists) and MKP are way better vZ, but Polt's pretty damn good at it. I wouldn't mind seeing Alive vs. Stephano. That could be a good gauge of how good Stephano is and how good Polt's vZ is. Polt is shaky vs. Stephano in macro games because he never prepares for brood lords and refuses to use ghosts. The latter is okay, the former is not. Every game Polt plays vs. Stephano in a macro game he gets caught with his pants down against broods and then he puts down three star ports and it's an uphill battle. He meta-games too much with tanks vs. Stephano. Adding marauders is okay but that many tanks is not needed unless you know your opponent is going ultras. He is better off preparing for a brood transition with vikings or getting more thors and mech upgrades. The thing with Polt's TvZ is that because he meets Stephano in every tournament he's developed a style that's designed to do well vs. Stephano and practiced it a lot. Yet, it still ends up being a 50-50 win rate vs. Stephano, and he sacrifices practicing his normal TvZ against mutas and banelings for it. I would like to see Polt go up against DRG this MLG. DRG's ZvT style is unique as he uses both mutas and ling infestor. I want to see how Polt meta-games against that.
anddd then stephano goes Ultras and Polt is caught with his pants down in trying to prepare for BLs.
It's far more devastating if you are not prepared for ultras, I think it's pretty much GG
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On March 24 2012 14:12 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 14:08 BBMorti wrote:On March 24 2012 14:05 1Eris1 wrote:On March 24 2012 14:00 BBMorti wrote:On March 24 2012 13:58 1Eris1 wrote:On March 24 2012 13:56 Wildmoon wrote:On March 24 2012 13:55 BBMorti wrote:On March 24 2012 13:51 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 24 2012 13:44 lannisport wrote:
So who can actually take Stephano on in a straight up zvt? I'd really like to see him against MMA, MVP or jjakji. Not taking any credit away from Polt, but it seems like if you let Stephano macro up he will just overrun you. I think he has BETTER infestor control/BL/late game army control than ANY zerg right now, including DRG. And he shuts down drops fairly easily plus likes to play safe with spines. Any Code S terran can take stephano in macro games, including Polt. One perfect example would be alive, who is undefeated against stephano, and all the games weren't even close. Polt gets destroyed in long macro games versus Stephano, check their history. There is a reason why Polt want to avoid such games.. Game 1 is terran favored (map) if they go tanks, but in longer series I doubt polt would ever want to play the macro game with Stephano. Their series in Texas shows what happens. Weren't the games in Assemmbly mostly macro game and Polt won 4-1? It's a fanboy in a LR thread, do you honestly expect them to not cherry pick details to reinforce their points? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony You made a generalized all out assuming statement, he provided you with something that showed that wasn't true. Good try though. Nono it flew over your head bro. Let me quote mine it for you, then. "A situation is often said to be ironic (situational irony) if the actions taken have an effect exactly opposite from what was intended." So fitting to your retarded remark about me being a fanboy. Not really. You spefically ignored certain results when you made your point, and he pointed that out. He didn't cherry pick anything, he was just referencing that your broad statement is incorrect, which means it isn't ironic. And nice, "retarded remark"? Now I remember why I hate SC2 LR threads and Stephano fans.
haha i hate those fans too. i don't think stephano is as good as he is. in fact, if stephano were a better player i think he would move to korea and challenge some real competition. i haven't followed the scene in completion or anything and so whether he's in korea currently or plans to move there or whether there's anything holding him up, so to speak, is a question that i'd rather not broach at the moment.
still, i think that the LR threads can provide some real entertainment in some cases, though i don't know that this one lived up to some of the epics that were attributed to great geniuses like the infamous wats0n
well, i see what you're saying about "nice", and retarded remark and whether there's any connection between the two, which doubt i do. and no, i don't think that the details were too difficult to cherry-pick in terms of providing supporting evidence to an argument, though with the generalizations, broadly speaking, and so forth, i can see why it would be difficult to provide a cohesive framework or structure in which to approach a game-by-game analysis, which is what i think is most appropriate owing to the situation
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tbh i don't hate those fans i just don't like him being referred to as a frenchman because i don't like france as much as i should and i don't like french people half as much as they like me, and i don't like the people in france any more when they travel here than when i go over there, which i haven't yet
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to ad insult to injury there are claims against polt that his opponents are paid
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On March 24 2012 14:19 Phobbers wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 14:17 illsick wrote:On March 24 2012 14:07 Fionn wrote:On March 24 2012 14:05 Lysanias wrote:On March 24 2012 13:58 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 24 2012 13:52 MattyClutch wrote:On March 24 2012 13:51 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 24 2012 13:44 lannisport wrote:
So who can actually take Stephano on in a straight up zvt? I'd really like to see him against MMA, MVP or jjakji. Not taking any credit away from Polt, but it seems like if you let Stephano macro up he will just overrun you. I think he has BETTER infestor control/BL/late game army control than ANY zerg right now, including DRG. And he shuts down drops fairly easily plus likes to play safe with spines. Any Code S terran can take stephano in macro games, including Polt. One perfect example would be alive, who is undefeated against stephano, and all the games weren't even close. I would say overall I agree with you, but Stephano has more than shown that he can stand toe to toe with Polt. I wouldn't so easily write him off. Yes, he did lose, but he lost in a pretty great series. Yeah Polt and Stephano are pretty evenly matched, but I really don't think Polt vZ is that good for the standard of Code S. His TvZ actually ranks 18th in Korean TLPD, not really spectacular. I agree that there are stronger terrans vs Z but i can't name 18 better ones then Polt right now, TLPD is great but it only says overall points not the current play. Polt's TvZ is his weak point, but he has vastly improved from where he was a while ago. He faced Leenock in Code S not too long ago and was able to go 1-1 against him, beat Nestea in the Blizzard Cup, etc. MMA, MVP (when he has wrists) and MKP are way better vZ, but Polt's pretty damn good at it. I wouldn't mind seeing Alive vs. Stephano. That could be a good gauge of how good Stephano is and how good Polt's vZ is. well stephano's weakest MU according to him is ZvT So they are both playing their weakest match ups against each other, but it's still at a high level I thought Stephano has stated that ZvZ is his weakest MU and the one he feels the most uneasy about. Due grant I recall this during IPL3 and and what not. Haven't heard too much from Stephano about his stance on ZvT and what not.
He feels fine with ZvZ and feels sorry for Protoss his weakest matchup is ZvT as stated very recently.
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On March 24 2012 14:20 Fearest wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 14:16 Azarkon wrote:On March 24 2012 14:07 Fionn wrote:On March 24 2012 14:05 Lysanias wrote:On March 24 2012 13:58 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 24 2012 13:52 MattyClutch wrote:On March 24 2012 13:51 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 24 2012 13:44 lannisport wrote:
So who can actually take Stephano on in a straight up zvt? I'd really like to see him against MMA, MVP or jjakji. Not taking any credit away from Polt, but it seems like if you let Stephano macro up he will just overrun you. I think he has BETTER infestor control/BL/late game army control than ANY zerg right now, including DRG. And he shuts down drops fairly easily plus likes to play safe with spines. Any Code S terran can take stephano in macro games, including Polt. One perfect example would be alive, who is undefeated against stephano, and all the games weren't even close. I would say overall I agree with you, but Stephano has more than shown that he can stand toe to toe with Polt. I wouldn't so easily write him off. Yes, he did lose, but he lost in a pretty great series. Yeah Polt and Stephano are pretty evenly matched, but I really don't think Polt vZ is that good for the standard of Code S. His TvZ actually ranks 18th in Korean TLPD, not really spectacular. I agree that there are stronger terrans vs Z but i can't name 18 better ones then Polt right now, TLPD is great but it only says overall points not the current play. Polt's TvZ is his weak point, but he has vastly improved from where he was a while ago. He faced Leenock in Code S not too long ago and was able to go 1-1 against him, beat Nestea in the Blizzard Cup, etc. MMA, MVP (when he has wrists) and MKP are way better vZ, but Polt's pretty damn good at it. I wouldn't mind seeing Alive vs. Stephano. That could be a good gauge of how good Stephano is and how good Polt's vZ is. Polt is shaky vs. Stephano in macro games because he never prepares for brood lords and refuses to use ghosts. The latter is okay, the former is not. Every game Polt plays vs. Stephano in a macro game he gets caught with his pants down against broods and then he puts down three star ports and it's an uphill battle. He meta-games too much with tanks vs. Stephano. Adding marauders is okay but that many tanks is not needed unless you know your opponent is going ultras. He is better off preparing for a brood transition with vikings or getting more thors and mech upgrades. The thing with Polt's TvZ is that because he meets Stephano in every tournament he's developed a style that's designed to do well vs. Stephano and practiced it a lot. Yet, it still ends up being a 50-50 win rate vs. Stephano, and he sacrifices practicing his normal TvZ against mutas and banelings for it. I would like to see Polt go up against DRG this MLG. DRG's ZvT style is unique as he uses both mutas and ling infestor. I want to see how Polt meta-games against that. anddd then stephano goes Ultras and Polt is caught with his pants down in trying to prepare for BLs. It's far more devastating if you are not prepared for ultras, I think it's pretty much GG
No, brood lords are way more threatening if you miss the transition, since a small number of vikings is easily dealt with with corrupters and then you have nothing that can stop a brood lord infestor push. With ultras, your basic units - marines marauders medivacs - can hold them if you have good upgrades.
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If Stephano really thinks he's a good player and can compete, why doesn't he challenge himself and also shut up the doubters by going to Korea?
He likes talking about not needing Korean experience/practice, yet he doesn't want to show the world he can compete with the true best.
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On March 24 2012 14:24 trinxified wrote:
If Stephano really thinks he's a good player and can compete, why doesn't he challenge himself and also shut up the doubters by going to Korea?
He likes talking about not needing Korean experience/practice, yet he doesn't want to show the world he can compete with the true best.
He's answered that in interviews. Stephano doesn't care abougt being the best. He cares about the money.
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let me just add that the next time one of you god damn american hackers... haha, just kidding, antisec guys fucks with my internet there's going to be hell to pay (no pun intended)
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On March 24 2012 14:24 trinxified wrote:
If Stephano really thinks he's a good player and can compete, why doesn't he challenge himself and also shut up the doubters by going to Korea?
He likes talking about not needing Korean experience/practice, yet he doesn't want to show the world he can compete with the true best.
He has the confidence to think "I don't need to go to Korea to prove it, I know I'm one of the best"
And according to him the Korean ladder did nothing for him so he went home. He doesn't care if people doubt him, like he said he just wants to make as much money as possible before retiring.
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On March 24 2012 14:08 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 14:05 Bagration wrote:On March 24 2012 14:04 Shellshock1122 wrote:
NonY made it to round 5. He's facing ThorZain tomorrow Not bad, not bad at all. meh, he hasn't really played anyone other than LzGamer
I know, trying to be positive. :\
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