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On March 24 2012 13:55 BBMorti wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 13:51 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 24 2012 13:44 lannisport wrote:
So who can actually take Stephano on in a straight up zvt? I'd really like to see him against MMA, MVP or jjakji. Not taking any credit away from Polt, but it seems like if you let Stephano macro up he will just overrun you. I think he has BETTER infestor control/BL/late game army control than ANY zerg right now, including DRG. And he shuts down drops fairly easily plus likes to play safe with spines. Any Code S terran can take stephano in macro games, including Polt. One perfect example would be alive, who is undefeated against stephano, and all the games weren't even close. Polt gets destroyed in long macro games versus Stephano, check their history. There is a reason why Polt want to avoid such games.. Game 1 is terran favored (map) if they go tanks, but in longer series I doubt polt would ever want to play the macro game with Stephano. Their series in Texas shows what happens.
Weren't the games in Assemmbly mostly macro game and Polt won 4-1?
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On March 24 2012 13:54 Malinor wrote:
Looking through the open bracket, any foreign resistance has already been crushed, I did not find one series a korean has lost. So basically outside of Huk and maybe Thorzain, the top 16 will basically be korea.
Don't really mind koreans winning, but I wish foreigners could go at least something like 20-80 against them, that would make competition more juicy. Now it is just again a slaughter.
Hey man, there's still Idra. Now is the perfect chance for him to not only prove he's the best foreign zerg, not even best foreigner but the best player in the world. Do it Idra.
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On March 24 2012 13:52 MattyClutch wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 13:51 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 24 2012 13:44 lannisport wrote:
So who can actually take Stephano on in a straight up zvt? I'd really like to see him against MMA, MVP or jjakji. Not taking any credit away from Polt, but it seems like if you let Stephano macro up he will just overrun you. I think he has BETTER infestor control/BL/late game army control than ANY zerg right now, including DRG. And he shuts down drops fairly easily plus likes to play safe with spines. Any Code S terran can take stephano in macro games, including Polt. One perfect example would be alive, who is undefeated against stephano, and all the games weren't even close. I would say overall I agree with you, but Stephano has more than shown that he can stand toe to toe with Polt. I wouldn't so easily write him off. Yes, he did lose, but he lost in a pretty great series.
Yeah Polt and Stephano are pretty evenly matched, but I really don't think Polt vZ is that good for the standard of Code S. His TvZ actually ranks 18th in Korean TLPD, not really spectacular.
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On March 24 2012 13:56 Wildmoon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 13:55 BBMorti wrote:On March 24 2012 13:51 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 24 2012 13:44 lannisport wrote:
So who can actually take Stephano on in a straight up zvt? I'd really like to see him against MMA, MVP or jjakji. Not taking any credit away from Polt, but it seems like if you let Stephano macro up he will just overrun you. I think he has BETTER infestor control/BL/late game army control than ANY zerg right now, including DRG. And he shuts down drops fairly easily plus likes to play safe with spines. Any Code S terran can take stephano in macro games, including Polt. One perfect example would be alive, who is undefeated against stephano, and all the games weren't even close. Polt gets destroyed in long macro games versus Stephano, check their history. There is a reason why Polt want to avoid such games.. Game 1 is terran favored (map) if they go tanks, but in longer series I doubt polt would ever want to play the macro game with Stephano. Their series in Texas shows what happens. Weren't the games in Assemmbly mostly macro game and Polt won 4-1?
It's a fanboy in a LR thread, do you honestly expect them to not cherry pick details to reinforce their points?
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How to watch the vods? It just shows me that all the streams are offline, so no way to rewind back and the twitch.tv streams just don't h ave the vod function T_T.
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On March 24 2012 13:55 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 13:54 hysterial wrote:
WTF Ruff actually got far? I don't think I have ever lost to him on ladder, I guess people don't know his 3 retarded all ins. He's had a much easier bracket than other people round 1: Bye round 2: iamtheman3 round 3: Lobber round 4: Catz
I have no idea how Catz lost to him. Its not like he doesnt play against him often. Well, too bad.
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On March 24 2012 13:56 Wildmoon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 13:55 BBMorti wrote:On March 24 2012 13:51 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 24 2012 13:44 lannisport wrote:
So who can actually take Stephano on in a straight up zvt? I'd really like to see him against MMA, MVP or jjakji. Not taking any credit away from Polt, but it seems like if you let Stephano macro up he will just overrun you. I think he has BETTER infestor control/BL/late game army control than ANY zerg right now, including DRG. And he shuts down drops fairly easily plus likes to play safe with spines. Any Code S terran can take stephano in macro games, including Polt. One perfect example would be alive, who is undefeated against stephano, and all the games weren't even close. Polt gets destroyed in long macro games versus Stephano, check their history. There is a reason why Polt want to avoid such games.. Game 1 is terran favored (map) if they go tanks, but in longer series I doubt polt would ever want to play the macro game with Stephano. Their series in Texas shows what happens. Weren't the games in Assemmbly mostly macro game and Polt won 4-1?
He means the games in Lone Star where Stephano won 5-2.
I do think Polt is shaky vs. Stephano in macro games. Game 1 was hard won by him and Stephano had the game until he messed up one fight in the middle. Game 2 was straight up outplaying by Stephano.
Polt pulled out what he needed to pull out to secure a win in Game 3. Had he been confident to win vs. Stephano in a macro game, he'd have gone macro since Polt loves macro.
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On March 24 2012 13:58 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 13:54 Malinor wrote:
Looking through the open bracket, any foreign resistance has already been crushed, I did not find one series a korean has lost. So basically outside of Huk and maybe Thorzain, the top 16 will basically be korea.
Don't really mind koreans winning, but I wish foreigners could go at least something like 20-80 against them, that would make competition more juicy. Now it is just again a slaughter. Hey man, there's still Idra. Now is the perfect chance for him to not only prove he's the best foreign zerg, not even best foreigner but the best player in the world. Do it Idra.
Is this a joke?? It has to be a joke...
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On March 24 2012 13:55 BBMorti wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 13:51 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 24 2012 13:44 lannisport wrote:
So who can actually take Stephano on in a straight up zvt? I'd really like to see him against MMA, MVP or jjakji. Not taking any credit away from Polt, but it seems like if you let Stephano macro up he will just overrun you. I think he has BETTER infestor control/BL/late game army control than ANY zerg right now, including DRG. And he shuts down drops fairly easily plus likes to play safe with spines. Any Code S terran can take stephano in macro games, including Polt. One perfect example would be alive, who is undefeated against stephano, and all the games weren't even close. Polt gets destroyed in long macro games versus Stephano, check their history. There is a reason why Polt want to avoid such games.. Game 1 is terran favored (map) if they go tanks, but in longer series I doubt polt would ever want to play the macro game with Stephano. Their series in Texas shows what happens.
Go watch Asus Rog Assembly.
Not saying Polt is heavily favored against Stephano, these two are pretty evenly matched in macro games and I'd give the edge to polt for his building variance.
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On March 24 2012 13:58 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 13:56 Wildmoon wrote:On March 24 2012 13:55 BBMorti wrote:On March 24 2012 13:51 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 24 2012 13:44 lannisport wrote:
So who can actually take Stephano on in a straight up zvt? I'd really like to see him against MMA, MVP or jjakji. Not taking any credit away from Polt, but it seems like if you let Stephano macro up he will just overrun you. I think he has BETTER infestor control/BL/late game army control than ANY zerg right now, including DRG. And he shuts down drops fairly easily plus likes to play safe with spines. Any Code S terran can take stephano in macro games, including Polt. One perfect example would be alive, who is undefeated against stephano, and all the games weren't even close. Polt gets destroyed in long macro games versus Stephano, check their history. There is a reason why Polt want to avoid such games.. Game 1 is terran favored (map) if they go tanks, but in longer series I doubt polt would ever want to play the macro game with Stephano. Their series in Texas shows what happens. Weren't the games in Assemmbly mostly macro game and Polt won 4-1? It's a fanboy in a LR thread, do you honestly expect them to not cherry pick details to reinforce their points?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony
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On March 24 2012 13:59 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 13:56 Wildmoon wrote:On March 24 2012 13:55 BBMorti wrote:On March 24 2012 13:51 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 24 2012 13:44 lannisport wrote:
So who can actually take Stephano on in a straight up zvt? I'd really like to see him against MMA, MVP or jjakji. Not taking any credit away from Polt, but it seems like if you let Stephano macro up he will just overrun you. I think he has BETTER infestor control/BL/late game army control than ANY zerg right now, including DRG. And he shuts down drops fairly easily plus likes to play safe with spines. Any Code S terran can take stephano in macro games, including Polt. One perfect example would be alive, who is undefeated against stephano, and all the games weren't even close. Polt gets destroyed in long macro games versus Stephano, check their history. There is a reason why Polt want to avoid such games.. Game 1 is terran favored (map) if they go tanks, but in longer series I doubt polt would ever want to play the macro game with Stephano. Their series in Texas shows what happens. Weren't the games in Assemmbly mostly macro game and Polt won 4-1? He means the games in Lone Star where Stephano won 5-2. I do think Polt is shaky vs. Stephano in macro games. Game 1 was hard won by him and Stephano had the game until he messed up one fight in the middle. Game 2 was straight up outplaying by Stephano. Polt pulled out what he needed to pull out to secure a win in Game 3. Had he been confident to win vs. Stephano in a macro game, he'd have gone macro since Polt loves macro.
Actually, Polt is not macro player.
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On March 24 2012 14:00 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 13:58 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:On March 24 2012 13:54 Malinor wrote:
Looking through the open bracket, any foreign resistance has already been crushed, I did not find one series a korean has lost. So basically outside of Huk and maybe Thorzain, the top 16 will basically be korea.
Don't really mind koreans winning, but I wish foreigners could go at least something like 20-80 against them, that would make competition more juicy. Now it is just again a slaughter. Hey man, there's still Idra. Now is the perfect chance for him to not only prove he's the best foreign zerg, not even best foreigner but the best player in the world. Do it Idra. Is this a joke?? It has to be a joke...
yep. it's definitely a joke
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On March 24 2012 14:00 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 13:58 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:On March 24 2012 13:54 Malinor wrote:
Looking through the open bracket, any foreign resistance has already been crushed, I did not find one series a korean has lost. So basically outside of Huk and maybe Thorzain, the top 16 will basically be korea.
Don't really mind koreans winning, but I wish foreigners could go at least something like 20-80 against them, that would make competition more juicy. Now it is just again a slaughter. Hey man, there's still Idra. Now is the perfect chance for him to not only prove he's the best foreign zerg, not even best foreigner but the best player in the world. Do it Idra. Is this a joke?? It has to be a joke...
wtb idra second wind 2012.... did he even have a first wind XD
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What's MC tweeting about? something about doing poorly
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On March 24 2012 13:44 Azarkon wrote:
Polt rolled the dice, Stephano rolled another dice, Polt's came out ahead.
CC first -> Factory is very risky, but that was a good meta-game choice by Polt, since he's never seen Stephano bust out early lings.
Going pure lings is very risky as well, but that was not a good meta-game choice by Stephano, since he's seen Polt do this hellion marauder timing before.
The irony is, and the thing you guys aren't seeing, is that Stephano went roaches TWO games in a row thinking he needed it against this kind of push. He WAS playing safe against it.
The one game he goes pure lings, he loses to it. Sad but it's the issue with not saccing an overlord. Drone scout isn't that useful in this case because you can't see what's inside the Terran's base.
I thought stephano was going to run a group of lings around to poke the front after he took the rocks out to his third. Not poking the front or sending an OL in and actively scouting is what killed him. That's the risk he took and it didn't pan out.
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On March 24 2012 14:01 GreyKnight wrote:
What's MC tweeting about? something about doing poorly
He lost to Marineking and Ganzi so he's 1-2. He would consider that doing poorly
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On March 24 2012 14:01 Wildmoon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 13:59 Azarkon wrote:On March 24 2012 13:56 Wildmoon wrote:On March 24 2012 13:55 BBMorti wrote:On March 24 2012 13:51 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 24 2012 13:44 lannisport wrote:
So who can actually take Stephano on in a straight up zvt? I'd really like to see him against MMA, MVP or jjakji. Not taking any credit away from Polt, but it seems like if you let Stephano macro up he will just overrun you. I think he has BETTER infestor control/BL/late game army control than ANY zerg right now, including DRG. And he shuts down drops fairly easily plus likes to play safe with spines. Any Code S terran can take stephano in macro games, including Polt. One perfect example would be alive, who is undefeated against stephano, and all the games weren't even close. Polt gets destroyed in long macro games versus Stephano, check their history. There is a reason why Polt want to avoid such games.. Game 1 is terran favored (map) if they go tanks, but in longer series I doubt polt would ever want to play the macro game with Stephano. Their series in Texas shows what happens. Weren't the games in Assemmbly mostly macro game and Polt won 4-1? He means the games in Lone Star where Stephano won 5-2. I do think Polt is shaky vs. Stephano in macro games. Game 1 was hard won by him and Stephano had the game until he messed up one fight in the middle. Game 2 was straight up outplaying by Stephano. Polt pulled out what he needed to pull out to secure a win in Game 3. Had he been confident to win vs. Stephano in a macro game, he'd have gone macro since Polt loves macro. Actually, Polt is not macro player.
He didn't use to be, but then people bitched at him for being a gimmicky all-in cheeser and he decided he was going to do macro every game. He's very much a macro player now.
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JINROOOO 2-0 TLO then 2-0 Idra?! Anyone have more info on what happened?
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On March 24 2012 13:58 Joseph123 wrote:
How to watch the vods? It just shows me that all the streams are offline, so no way to rewind back and the twitch.tv streams just don't h ave the vod function T_T.
You can rewind the stream, it just defaults to he beginning instead right now. Jump to anywhere you want on the MLG site.
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On March 24 2012 13:45 Aemilia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 13:44 lannisport wrote:
So who can actually take Stephano on in a straight up zvt? I'd really like to see him against MMA, MVP or jjakji. Not taking any credit away from Polt, but it seems like if you let Stephano macro up he will just overrun you. I think he has BETTER infestor control/BL/late game army control than ANY zerg right now, including DRG. And he shuts down drops fairly easily plus likes to play safe with spines. Game 1 was as much of a macro game as any and Polt won. All of the Assembly games were macro games too and Polt won.
4 Broodlords in a late game zerg army is not what I would call a standard macro game :/
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