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hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
March 24 2012 04:51 GMT
#6621
On March 24 2012 13:50 Zanno wrote:
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On March 24 2012 13:45 hunts wrote:
Sorry if this isn't the place to ask, but when do VODs go up for gold members? I was at work during most of the games and just came back and saw stephano vs polt and would love to see some of the earlier games.

the vod is immediately put up as one big block of footage, you can skip around through the couple hours as much as you want


ah ok I see, so it's like the old format, TY. I thought it would be like the winter arena where you had to watch the individual VODs. TY
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Bashion
Profile Joined February 2011
Cook Islands2612 Posts
March 24 2012 04:51 GMT
#6622
On March 24 2012 13:50 Shellshock1122 wrote:
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On March 24 2012 13:49 beatitudes wrote:
who is RUFF?

I think he's on vVv


Hes a guy who has like three builds, all of them are all ins.

I've got moves like Jagger
biz87
Profile Joined October 2009
Germany95 Posts
March 24 2012 04:51 GMT
#6623
who is observing those games? pretty good job, just watched the naniwa/demuslim game i think he catched everything what was going on
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
March 24 2012 04:52 GMT
#6624
Look, Stephano had the first game, but he screwed up. That's the bigger tragedy of the night. The third game was really a coin toss because Stephano deviated from his roach ling build which he used twice in a row and then decided to meta-game Polt and go pure lings just as Polt meta-gamed him with a greedy hellion marauder all-in and that was the series.
Zanno
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1484 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-24 04:53:02
March 24 2012 04:52 GMT
#6625
On March 24 2012 13:49 bokchoi wrote:
The build is cheesy for a number of reasons. If its scouted properly Terran pretty much loses the game if they commit to it. Even if it isn't scouted if Zerg is going mutas (which I would call the more common/standard play) Terran is screwed. Or even if Zerg has some banelings and micros properly he can hold and come out very ahead. Its cheesy, but Polt metagamed Stephano and his style (much like MVP did at Blizzard Cup).

oh it's totally a cheese build, i don't see why anyone would dispute that - but in a chat with some friends i was talking about what a great idea it was given that hard countered stephano's build

even if he did do the roach build he did the previous two games i think he still gets slaughtered because you need a spire not an infestation pit halfway done

stephano didn't build a single muta or baneling the whole series - mutas shut this down, banelings can possibly help against the hellions if you get a good hit
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
March 24 2012 04:52 GMT
#6626
On March 24 2012 13:51 chosenkerrigan wrote:
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On March 24 2012 13:44 lannisport wrote:
So who can actually take Stephano on in a straight up zvt? I'd really like to see him against MMA, MVP or jjakji. Not taking any credit away from Polt, but it seems like if you let Stephano macro up he will just overrun you. I think he has BETTER infestor control/BL/late game army control than ANY zerg right now, including DRG. And he shuts down drops fairly easily plus likes to play safe with spines.


Any Code S terran can take stephano in macro games, including Polt.
One perfect example would be alive, who is undefeated against stephano, and all the games weren't even close.

Yea they faced in NASL S3 Qualifiers and Stephano got manhandled by aLive doing like 3 simultaneous drops and then pushing him with marine tank
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MattyClutch
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States711 Posts
March 24 2012 04:52 GMT
#6627
On March 24 2012 13:51 chosenkerrigan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 13:44 lannisport wrote:
So who can actually take Stephano on in a straight up zvt? I'd really like to see him against MMA, MVP or jjakji. Not taking any credit away from Polt, but it seems like if you let Stephano macro up he will just overrun you. I think he has BETTER infestor control/BL/late game army control than ANY zerg right now, including DRG. And he shuts down drops fairly easily plus likes to play safe with spines.


Any Code S terran can take stephano in macro games, including Polt.
One perfect example would be alive, who is undefeated against stephano, and all the games weren't even close.


I would say overall I agree with you, but Stephano has more than shown that he can stand toe to toe with Polt. I wouldn't so easily write him off. Yes, he did lose, but he lost in a pretty great series.
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Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
March 24 2012 04:52 GMT
#6628
On March 24 2012 13:50 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 13:49 beatitudes wrote:
who is RUFF?

I think he's on vVv


Yep, vVv is having quite the good showing so far (glon, RuFF). As are LighT (Heavens almost beat aLive, Golden).
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
masakenji
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia415 Posts
March 24 2012 04:53 GMT
#6629
their seris have always being great. no one is saying otherwise <.<
MattyClutch
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States711 Posts
March 24 2012 04:53 GMT
#6630
On March 24 2012 13:52 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 13:50 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On March 24 2012 13:49 beatitudes wrote:
who is RUFF?

I think he's on vVv


Yep, vVv is having quite the good showing so far (glon, RuFF). As are LighT (Heavens almost beat aLive, Golden).



I didn't know Ruff was vvv. Seems like they are indeed having a good showing!
Nihn'kas Neehn
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4758 Posts
March 24 2012 04:54 GMT
#6631
Looking through the open bracket, any foreign resistance has already been crushed, I did not find one series a korean has lost. So basically outside of Huk and maybe Thorzain, the top 16 will basically be korea.

Don't really mind koreans winning, but I wish foreigners could go at least something like 20-80 against them, that would make competition more juicy. Now it is just again a slaughter.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
March 24 2012 04:54 GMT
#6632
On March 24 2012 13:52 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 13:50 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On March 24 2012 13:49 beatitudes wrote:
who is RUFF?

I think he's on vVv


Yep, vVv is having quite the good showing so far (glon, RuFF). As are LighT (Heavens almost beat aLive, Golden).

LighT also has KawaiiRice seeded in round 5
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Thurken
Profile Joined September 2011
961 Posts
March 24 2012 04:54 GMT
#6633
On March 24 2012 13:44 Azarkon wrote:
Polt rolled the dice, Stephano rolled another dice, Polt's came out ahead.

CC first -> Factory is very risky, but that was a good meta-game choice by Polt, since he's never seen Stephano bust out early lings.

Going pure lings is very risky as well, but that was not a good meta-game choice by Stephano, since he's seen Polt do this hellion marauder timing before.

The irony is, and the thing you guys aren't seeing, is that Stephano went roaches TWO games in a row thinking he needed it against this kind of push. He WAS playing safe against it.

The one game he goes pure lings, he loses to it. Sad but it's the issue with not saccing an overlord. Drone scout isn't that useful in this case because you can't see what's inside the Terran's base.


The map is huge so it's not easy to send an overlord.
hysterial
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2044 Posts
March 24 2012 04:54 GMT
#6634
WTF Ruff actually got far? I don't think I have ever lost to him on ladder, I guess people don't know his 3 retarded all ins.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
March 24 2012 04:54 GMT
#6635
On March 24 2012 13:54 Malinor wrote:
Looking through the open bracket, any foreign resistance has already been crushed, I did not find one series a korean has lost. So basically outside of Huk and maybe Thorzain, the top 16 will basically be korea.

Don't really mind koreans winning, but I wish foreigners could go at least something like 20-80 against them, that would make competition more juicy. Now it is just again a slaughter.

Sase and some other players have upset potential
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BBMorti
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark242 Posts
March 24 2012 04:55 GMT
#6636
On March 24 2012 13:51 chosenkerrigan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 13:44 lannisport wrote:
So who can actually take Stephano on in a straight up zvt? I'd really like to see him against MMA, MVP or jjakji. Not taking any credit away from Polt, but it seems like if you let Stephano macro up he will just overrun you. I think he has BETTER infestor control/BL/late game army control than ANY zerg right now, including DRG. And he shuts down drops fairly easily plus likes to play safe with spines.


Any Code S terran can take stephano in macro games, including Polt.
One perfect example would be alive, who is undefeated against stephano, and all the games weren't even close.

Polt gets destroyed in long macro games versus Stephano, check their history. There is a reason why Polt want to avoid such games.. Game 1 is terran favored (map) if they go tanks, but in longer series I doubt polt would ever want to play the macro game with Stephano. Their series in Texas shows what happens.
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
March 24 2012 04:55 GMT
#6637
On March 24 2012 13:54 Thurken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 13:44 Azarkon wrote:
Polt rolled the dice, Stephano rolled another dice, Polt's came out ahead.

CC first -> Factory is very risky, but that was a good meta-game choice by Polt, since he's never seen Stephano bust out early lings.

Going pure lings is very risky as well, but that was not a good meta-game choice by Stephano, since he's seen Polt do this hellion marauder timing before.

The irony is, and the thing you guys aren't seeing, is that Stephano went roaches TWO games in a row thinking he needed it against this kind of push. He WAS playing safe against it.

The one game he goes pure lings, he loses to it. Sad but it's the issue with not saccing an overlord. Drone scout isn't that useful in this case because you can't see what's inside the Terran's base.


The map is huge so it's not easy to send an overlord.

But Day9 called it one of the smallest maps in the pool?
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
March 24 2012 04:55 GMT
#6638
On March 24 2012 13:54 hysterial wrote:
WTF Ruff actually got far? I don't think I have ever lost to him on ladder, I guess people don't know his 3 retarded all ins.

He's had a much easier bracket than other people
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masakenji
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia415 Posts
March 24 2012 04:55 GMT
#6639
On March 24 2012 13:55 BBMorti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 13:51 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On March 24 2012 13:44 lannisport wrote:
So who can actually take Stephano on in a straight up zvt? I'd really like to see him against MMA, MVP or jjakji. Not taking any credit away from Polt, but it seems like if you let Stephano macro up he will just overrun you. I think he has BETTER infestor control/BL/late game army control than ANY zerg right now, including DRG. And he shuts down drops fairly easily plus likes to play safe with spines.


Any Code S terran can take stephano in macro games, including Polt.
One perfect example would be alive, who is undefeated against stephano, and all the games weren't even close.

Polt gets destroyed in long macro games versus Stephano, check their history. There is a reason why Polt want to avoid such games.. Game 1 is terran favored (map) if they go tanks, but in longer series I doubt polt would ever want to play the macro game with Stephano. Their series in Texas shows what happens.


have you checked the maps for those macro games?
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
March 24 2012 04:56 GMT
#6640
On March 24 2012 13:52 Zanno wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 13:49 bokchoi wrote:
The build is cheesy for a number of reasons. If its scouted properly Terran pretty much loses the game if they commit to it. Even if it isn't scouted if Zerg is going mutas (which I would call the more common/standard play) Terran is screwed. Or even if Zerg has some banelings and micros properly he can hold and come out very ahead. Its cheesy, but Polt metagamed Stephano and his style (much like MVP did at Blizzard Cup).

oh it's totally a cheese build, i don't see why anyone would dispute that - but in a chat with some friends i was talking about what a great idea it was given that hard countered stephano's build

even if he did do the roach build he did the previous two games i think he still gets slaughtered because you need a spire not an infestation pit halfway done

stephano didn't build a single muta or baneling the whole series - mutas shut this down, banelings can possibly help against the hellions if you get a good hit


No, he doesn't get slaughtered if he goes roach. Polt played this style vs. Stephano before. It made for really great micro games when it was roach ling vs. hellion marauder. I think Stephano is 50-50 vs. it when he goes roach ling.

Going spire is a hard counter, but it depends on how much Terran commits. Muta ling baneling will destroy the composition but without roaches you're still looking to take some damage and then Terran can transition to marine medivac if he didn't commit too much. Polt did that game, but that was because he saw Stephano wasn't going muta.
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