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Bowzer
Canada214 Posts
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On March 24 2012 13:44 Koshi wrote: I don't know, you have to delay a lot of shit to hold 3rax marauder + 2 fact helions. And Polt had 3 orbitals. I don't know if it is cheese/allin. Zerg goes Mutas Sakurai:¨laughs¨ It a semi all in. You delay a lot of stuff to do this rush. I have seen many T GG when it gets stopped. Definitively gets you behind if it fails | ||
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chosenkerrigan
858 Posts
Not a lot. I could hardly think of a game where MC lost to a foreigner zerg, and out of all the terrans I only remember the thorzain vs mc series more than a year ago.MC literally only lose to foreigner protoss. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On March 24 2012 13:47 Bowzer wrote: Alive 2-1 over heavenslight Congrats to aLive for advancing and to HeavensLight for putting up a strong fight | ||
Fionn
United States23455 Posts
On March 24 2012 13:47 Bowzer wrote: Alive 2-1 over heavenslight Wow, big ups to HeavensLight. He looked really bad against Polt at Lone Star, but taking a game from Alive is amazing. | ||
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JamSam
United Kingdom50 Posts
fun games the watch, if stephano went his normal ling roach opening it would of turned into another slugfest map like at lone star clash. too bad we missed out on that i suppose. | ||
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lannisport
878 Posts
On March 24 2012 13:45 Aemilia wrote: Game 1 was as much of a macro game as any and Polt won. All of the Assembly games were macro games too and Polt won. Stephano adjusted to that style. Stephano used to go ling infestor into ultras but stopped doing that against polt after that series. And in game 1 Stephano was a bit behind from the beginning. He used the exact same build he used in game 2 except he had to make alot of lings and lost some drones in the helion harass. That very late lair timing that day9 was talking about is not typical of Stephano's games. Usually he gets the roach warren at around 6 minutes, gets the double evos at 7 and gets lair as soon as he dual upgrades. Also gets his third a little earlier. But then again, most maps aren't as easily defendable from drops as metal is. | ||
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beatitudes
United States167 Posts
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
On March 24 2012 13:42 Bengui wrote: I was/am a Stephano doubter too, because he won't travel to Korea and compete in the GSL You want the "best foreigner" title ? Go grab it where it matters... It's written in the stars that GomTV will give him a code S seed as soon as he steps off the plane. Did he ever say he wanted that Title though ? For him it's just math outside of korea he can make more money simple as that. And i can respect that, he never hid the fact he played this game for money as the main reason. | ||
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
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Flanq
United Kingdom2694 Posts
On March 24 2012 13:46 00Visor wrote: actually not, they counter each other vice versa Polt tried the same build on BelShir Winter at Lonestar Clash. Stephano himself went for a Roach Ling timing. They traded several times with these compositions. Stephano won in the end. If T goes Marauder/Hellion and Z goes Roach/Ling, the game is literally on a knife edge until the numbers sway past that incredibly small tipping point, as soon as they do, the battles will all go one way and the game will slowly wind down. It's very entertaining to watch. | ||
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Chunhyang
Bangladesh1389 Posts
On March 24 2012 13:47 windsupernova wrote: Zerg goes Mutas Sakurai:¨laughs¨ It a semi all in. You delay a lot of stuff to do this rush. I have seen many T GG when it gets stopped. Definitively gets you behind if it fails Any strat "gets you behind" when it fails. | ||
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Ylrahc
France496 Posts
On March 24 2012 13:40 mathsucks wrote: Format being....? Too many strong players? Format being retarded long open brackets especially if you go into losers', and retarded seeds in those brackets. He doesn't play well tired and has a variable level of play over time, sometimes amazing sometimes quite sloppy, whereas someone as Polt has a more predictable level, which is totally to his credit btw. Stephano made this bo3, he totally threw away game 1 by making a very risky and useless attack while Polt was basically starving to death, he manhandled him game 2 taking advantage of Polt passivity, and played very poorly game 3. A "good day" Stephano would have won 2 0. Not saying he deserved to win btw, Polt deserved to win because he actually DID win, just saying while his play can be really amazing, he has some characteristics, call him flaws if you like, that will make it very hard form him to complete in a tournament like MLG. | ||
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Zanno
United States1484 Posts
On March 24 2012 13:45 hunts wrote: Sorry if this isn't the place to ask, but when do VODs go up for gold members? I was at work during most of the games and just came back and saw stephano vs polt and would love to see some of the earlier games. the vod is immediately put up as one big block of footage, you can skip around through the couple hours as much as you want | ||
Shellshock
United States97277 Posts
On March 24 2012 13:49 beatitudes wrote: who is RUFF? I think he's on vVv | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
So who can actually take Stephano on in a straight up zvt? I'd really like to see him against MMA, MVP or jjakji. Not taking any credit away from Polt, but it seems like if you let Stephano macro up he will just overrun you. I think he has BETTER infestor control/BL/late game army control than ANY zerg right now, including DRG. And he shuts down drops fairly easily plus likes to play safe with spines. Isn't that true for most competent zergs? Terrans pretty much have to harass early mid game now that Ghosts are gone. I think a lot of people are missing the fact that the ghost nerf doesn't just affect the late game. It also trickles down to the mid game. Of course, Stephano is great a defending drops. But I think you see a lot of zergs defend well also. I think that this is because after the ghost nerf, zergs know that if they can get to 4 bases and BLs, they have a great shot to win. So they don't have to spend as much effort trying to harass and trade armys. They can play more defensive. Previously, they had to deny bases/gases for terran because once the ghost counts gets to 10-15 with support, zergs had no shot. Overall, you see zergs play more defensively mid game (which leads to better defense) and terrans having to be more aggressive. | ||
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masakenji
Australia415 Posts
On March 24 2012 13:44 lannisport wrote: So who can actually take Stephano on in a straight up zvt? I'd really like to see him against MMA, MVP or jjakji. Not taking any credit away from Polt, but it seems like if you let Stephano macro up he will just overrun you. I think he has BETTER infestor control/BL/late game army control than ANY zerg right now, including DRG. And he shuts down drops fairly easily plus likes to play safe with spines. it is known that zerg late game tech is stronger than the other races. not Op strong, but some pros have being saying it's being a problem. (info from khaldor last night at the gstl) the players you listed ain't stupid enough to play a no harass, 15mins game with ANY zerg. saying that, i reckon a mech terran would edge out a zerg army. but likewise, no zerg would let that happen. | ||
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chosenkerrigan
858 Posts
On March 24 2012 13:44 lannisport wrote: So who can actually take Stephano on in a straight up zvt? I'd really like to see him against MMA, MVP or jjakji. Not taking any credit away from Polt, but it seems like if you let Stephano macro up he will just overrun you. I think he has BETTER infestor control/BL/late game army control than ANY zerg right now, including DRG. And he shuts down drops fairly easily plus likes to play safe with spines. Any Code S terran can take stephano in macro games, including Polt. One perfect example would be alive, who is undefeated against stephano, and all the games weren't even close. | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
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sitromit
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Anyway, good call by Polt. If Stephano build roaches he probably holds. These are the risks Stephano bears by not scouting. 
