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Polt rolled the dice, Stephano rolled another dice, Polt's came out ahead.
CC first -> Factory is very risky, but that was a good meta-game choice by Polt, since he's never seen Stephano bust out early lings.
Going pure lings is very risky as well, but that was not a good meta-game choice by Stephano, since he's seen Polt do this hellion marauder timing before.
The irony is, and the thing you guys aren't seeing, is that Stephano went roaches TWO games in a row thinking he needed it against this kind of push. He WAS playing safe against it.
The one game he goes pure lings, he loses to it. Sad but it's the issue with not saccing an overlord. Drone scout isn't that useful in this case because you can't see what's inside the Terran's base.
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On March 24 2012 13:42 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 13:41 Kommander wrote:On March 24 2012 13:39 how2TL wrote:On March 24 2012 13:37 SupLilSon wrote:
I'll be the first to admit, I was a Stephano doubter to begin with but after seeing him go toe to toe with code S Koreans time after time, I'm finally converted to Stephano bandwagon :D. Even though he lost, those first 2 games were incredibly impressive, I'm still scratching my head to how Polt took that first game. Time after time? It's been mostly Polt. He hasn't played any Code S Protosses either. He's played a Code S protoss (MC), but he's 0-5 against him  Out of curiosity how many non PvPs has MC lost to foreigners? I got none off the top of my head.
He was eliminated by MaNa at some tourney in Europe last year, I can't recall which one it was.
Edit- non Pvp lol, didn't see that. Just ThorZaiN that I can think of..
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So who can actually take Stephano on in a straight up zvt? I'd really like to see him against MMA, MVP or jjakji. Not taking any credit away from Polt, but it seems like if you let Stephano macro up he will just overrun you. I think he has BETTER infestor control/BL/late game army control than ANY zerg right now, including DRG. And he shuts down drops fairly easily plus likes to play safe with spines.
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On March 24 2012 13:42 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 13:41 Kommander wrote:On March 24 2012 13:39 how2TL wrote:On March 24 2012 13:37 SupLilSon wrote:
I'll be the first to admit, I was a Stephano doubter to begin with but after seeing him go toe to toe with code S Koreans time after time, I'm finally converted to Stephano bandwagon :D. Even though he lost, those first 2 games were incredibly impressive, I'm still scratching my head to how Polt took that first game. Time after time? It's been mostly Polt. He hasn't played any Code S Protosses either. He's played a Code S protoss (MC), but he's 0-5 against him Out of curiosity how many non PvPs has MC lost to foreigners? I got none off the top of my head.
MC pretty much owns foreigners in non PvP match ups. I'm sure he's lost a few but yeah, can't remember either.
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On March 24 2012 13:43 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 13:43 Bagration wrote:On March 24 2012 13:42 chipmonklord17 wrote:On March 24 2012 13:41 Kommander wrote:On March 24 2012 13:39 how2TL wrote:On March 24 2012 13:37 SupLilSon wrote:
I'll be the first to admit, I was a Stephano doubter to begin with but after seeing him go toe to toe with code S Koreans time after time, I'm finally converted to Stephano bandwagon :D. Even though he lost, those first 2 games were incredibly impressive, I'm still scratching my head to how Polt took that first game. Time after time? It's been mostly Polt. He hasn't played any Code S Protosses either. He's played a Code S protoss (MC), but he's 0-5 against him Out of curiosity how many non PvPs has MC lost to foreigners? I got none off the top of my head. Huk MLG Orlando and HSC 3 non PvP
Thorzain TSL 3
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On March 24 2012 13:43 blooblooblahblah wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 13:40 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 24 2012 13:35 beamingrobot wrote:On March 24 2012 13:34 The_Darkness wrote:Cheese your way to victory  Anyway, good call by Polt. If Stephano build roaches he probably holds. These are the risks Stephano bears by not scouting. That's cheese? WTF. Because Polt didn't turtle up to 200/200 and wait for Stephano's BL and Stephano is a foreigner and Stephano lost, therefore it makes Polt's build cheese. That build is cheesy in a lot of ways.... Not that i think there's anything wrong with that, especially since Polt knows Stephano's style so well that a lot of the risks involved with tht build are eliminated.
I don't know, you have to delay a lot of shit to hold 3rax marauder + 2 fact helions. And Polt had 3 orbitals.
I don't know if it is cheese/allin.
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On March 24 2012 13:39 Champloo wrote:
MLG's format is already bad, but their seeding system is even worse. Huk top6 already while Polt and Stephano meet in open bracket round 4, lol.
huk isn't top 6 yet. 2 people from the open bracket will be added to the pools so hulk will have to face 2 more damn good opponents before being able to win the group
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On March 24 2012 13:43 Havik_ wrote:
So how the fuck is Zerg supposed to beat that? Marauder Hellion is the uber hard counter to Roach Ling.
The obvious counter is: don't go roach ling.
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so now people think metalopolis is zerg favored and hellion marauder all in is not cheese???
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On March 24 2012 13:44 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 13:42 chipmonklord17 wrote:On March 24 2012 13:41 Kommander wrote:On March 24 2012 13:39 how2TL wrote:On March 24 2012 13:37 SupLilSon wrote:
I'll be the first to admit, I was a Stephano doubter to begin with but after seeing him go toe to toe with code S Koreans time after time, I'm finally converted to Stephano bandwagon :D. Even though he lost, those first 2 games were incredibly impressive, I'm still scratching my head to how Polt took that first game. Time after time? It's been mostly Polt. He hasn't played any Code S Protosses either. He's played a Code S protoss (MC), but he's 0-5 against him Out of curiosity how many non PvPs has MC lost to foreigners? I got none off the top of my head. He was eliminated by MaNa at some tourney in Europe last year, I can't recall which one it was.
He was asking about non PvP matchups bro
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On March 24 2012 13:44 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 13:43 chipmonklord17 wrote:On March 24 2012 13:43 Bagration wrote:On March 24 2012 13:42 chipmonklord17 wrote:On March 24 2012 13:41 Kommander wrote:On March 24 2012 13:39 how2TL wrote:On March 24 2012 13:37 SupLilSon wrote:
I'll be the first to admit, I was a Stephano doubter to begin with but after seeing him go toe to toe with code S Koreans time after time, I'm finally converted to Stephano bandwagon :D. Even though he lost, those first 2 games were incredibly impressive, I'm still scratching my head to how Polt took that first game. Time after time? It's been mostly Polt. He hasn't played any Code S Protosses either. He's played a Code S protoss (MC), but he's 0-5 against him Out of curiosity how many non PvPs has MC lost to foreigners? I got none off the top of my head. Huk MLG Orlando and HSC 3 non PvP Thorzain TSL 3
Sen PPSL
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On March 24 2012 13:44 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 13:43 chipmonklord17 wrote:On March 24 2012 13:43 Bagration wrote:On March 24 2012 13:42 chipmonklord17 wrote:On March 24 2012 13:41 Kommander wrote:On March 24 2012 13:39 how2TL wrote:On March 24 2012 13:37 SupLilSon wrote:
I'll be the first to admit, I was a Stephano doubter to begin with but after seeing him go toe to toe with code S Koreans time after time, I'm finally converted to Stephano bandwagon :D. Even though he lost, those first 2 games were incredibly impressive, I'm still scratching my head to how Polt took that first game. Time after time? It's been mostly Polt. He hasn't played any Code S Protosses either. He's played a Code S protoss (MC), but he's 0-5 against him Out of curiosity how many non PvPs has MC lost to foreigners? I got none off the top of my head. Huk MLG Orlando and HSC 3 non PvP Thorzain TSL 3
oh yea how did i forget that
Thorzain TSL 3 online
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On March 24 2012 13:44 Dexington wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 13:44 Bagration wrote:On March 24 2012 13:43 chipmonklord17 wrote:On March 24 2012 13:43 Bagration wrote:On March 24 2012 13:42 chipmonklord17 wrote:On March 24 2012 13:41 Kommander wrote:On March 24 2012 13:39 how2TL wrote:On March 24 2012 13:37 SupLilSon wrote:
I'll be the first to admit, I was a Stephano doubter to begin with but after seeing him go toe to toe with code S Koreans time after time, I'm finally converted to Stephano bandwagon :D. Even though he lost, those first 2 games were incredibly impressive, I'm still scratching my head to how Polt took that first game. Time after time? It's been mostly Polt. He hasn't played any Code S Protosses either. He's played a Code S protoss (MC), but he's 0-5 against him Out of curiosity how many non PvPs has MC lost to foreigners? I got none off the top of my head. Huk MLG Orlando and HSC 3 non PvP Thorzain TSL 3 Sen PPSL
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On March 24 2012 13:43 Havik_ wrote:
So how the fuck is Zerg supposed to beat that? Marauder Hellion is the uber hard counter to Roach Ling.
Spines and a decent sim city?
I mean this is not a new build and has been beaten multiple times.Hell, I have seen it beaten with a good controlled Roach Ling army so its not even a ¨hard counter¨
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On March 24 2012 13:44 lannisport wrote:
So who can actually take Stephano on in a straight up zvt? I'd really like to see him against MMA, MVP or jjakji. Not taking any credit away from Polt, but it seems like if you let Stephano macro up he will just overrun you. I think he has BETTER infestor control/BL/late game army control than ANY zerg right now, including DRG. And he shuts down drops fairly easily plus likes to play safe with spines.
Game 1 was as much of a macro game as any and Polt won.
All of the Assembly games were macro games too and Polt won.
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On March 24 2012 13:43 Havik_ wrote:
So how the fuck is Zerg supposed to beat that? Marauder Hellion is the uber hard counter to Roach Ling.
You scout it (and you can, because making marauders = not making marines, so ovies get in).
Then you make spines and queens and lings to hold it back. That's how it's generally done. If you get mutas or infestors out and don't take too much damage from it, you pretty much autowin.
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Sorry if this isn't the place to ask, but when do VODs go up for gold members? I was at work during most of the games and just came back and saw stephano vs polt and would love to see some of the earlier games.
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On March 24 2012 13:44 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 13:43 blooblooblahblah wrote:On March 24 2012 13:40 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 24 2012 13:35 beamingrobot wrote:On March 24 2012 13:34 The_Darkness wrote:Cheese your way to victory Anyway, good call by Polt. If Stephano build roaches he probably holds. These are the risks Stephano bears by not scouting. That's cheese? WTF. Because Polt didn't turtle up to 200/200 and wait for Stephano's BL and Stephano is a foreigner and Stephano lost, therefore it makes Polt's build cheese. That build is cheesy in a lot of ways.... Not that i think there's anything wrong with that, especially since Polt knows Stephano's style so well that a lot of the risks involved with tht build are eliminated. I don't know, you have to delay a lot of shit to hold 3rax marauder + 2 fact helions. And Polt had 3 orbitals. I don't know if it is cheese/allin.
It's cheesy in the sense that if Zerg was meta-gaming you he'd go roach baneling -> mutas and you'd lose on a lot of maps. The map choice matters here - this map, with cross positions, Polt has enough time to get out marines and turrets if he sees mutas. It's a good strategy to use here.
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Nice to see HuK doing well and not just at PvP, two solid PvZ wins that no one can criticise and say were easy opponents. HayprO taking a set of NaNi is a pretty huge upset, hopefully Banjo can have another excellent MLG run.
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On March 24 2012 13:43 Havik_ wrote:
So how the fuck is Zerg supposed to beat that? Marauder Hellion is the uber hard counter to Roach Ling.
actually not, they counter each other vice versa
Polt tried the same build on BelShir Winter at Lonestar Clash. Stephano himself went for a Roach Ling timing. They traded several times with these compositions. Stephano won in the end.
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On March 24 2012 13:44 lannisport wrote:
So who can actually take Stephano on in a straight up zvt? I'd really like to see him against MMA, MVP or jjakji. Not taking any credit away from Polt, but it seems like if you let Stephano macro up he will just overrun you. I think he has BETTER infestor control/BL/late game army control than ANY zerg right now, including DRG. And he shuts down drops fairly easily plus likes to play safe with spines.
umm any terran in code S can beat Stephano and Stephano IF/BL control is not better than DRG. Keep in mind that Polt didn't qualifiy for Code S through normal format.
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