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On March 24 2012 14:16 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 14:07 Fionn wrote:On March 24 2012 14:05 Lysanias wrote:On March 24 2012 13:58 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 24 2012 13:52 MattyClutch wrote:On March 24 2012 13:51 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 24 2012 13:44 lannisport wrote:
So who can actually take Stephano on in a straight up zvt? I'd really like to see him against MMA, MVP or jjakji. Not taking any credit away from Polt, but it seems like if you let Stephano macro up he will just overrun you. I think he has BETTER infestor control/BL/late game army control than ANY zerg right now, including DRG. And he shuts down drops fairly easily plus likes to play safe with spines. Any Code S terran can take stephano in macro games, including Polt. One perfect example would be alive, who is undefeated against stephano, and all the games weren't even close. I would say overall I agree with you, but Stephano has more than shown that he can stand toe to toe with Polt. I wouldn't so easily write him off. Yes, he did lose, but he lost in a pretty great series. Yeah Polt and Stephano are pretty evenly matched, but I really don't think Polt vZ is that good for the standard of Code S. His TvZ actually ranks 18th in Korean TLPD, not really spectacular. I agree that there are stronger terrans vs Z but i can't name 18 better ones then Polt right now, TLPD is great but it only says overall points not the current play. Polt's TvZ is his weak point, but he has vastly improved from where he was a while ago. He faced Leenock in Code S not too long ago and was able to go 1-1 against him, beat Nestea in the Blizzard Cup, etc. MMA, MVP (when he has wrists) and MKP are way better vZ, but Polt's pretty damn good at it. I wouldn't mind seeing Alive vs. Stephano. That could be a good gauge of how good Stephano is and how good Polt's vZ is. Polt is shaky vs. Stephano in macro games because he never prepares for brood lords and refuses to use ghosts.
Ghosts? Really? No top terran has used ghosts against BL/infestor since the nerf, because they're horrible. The only time I've seen them post patch is Morrow using them specifically for nukes. With no ghosts, Terran is NEVER prepared for blords. The only solution is vikings, but it is not a real solution because they get fungaled and killed off by corruptors easily. The only reason Polt won that first match is because Stephano only made 4 broodlords for whatever reason. If he had the typical 8+ number, Polt's surround move would've never worked.
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can someone please link me to the VODs? I was unable to watch because I was at work!
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On March 24 2012 14:41 Chunhyang wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 14:31 Bagi wrote:On March 24 2012 14:24 trinxified wrote:
If Stephano really thinks he's a good player and can compete, why doesn't he challenge himself and also shut up the doubters by going to Korea?
He likes talking about not needing Korean experience/practice, yet he doesn't want to show the world he can compete with the true best. He has talked about going to Korea for another visit. Still, I can understand perfectly why there are foreigners that don't want to live in Korea. There is more to life than proving that you can "compete with the true best" to some random nerds on a message board. Stephano doesn't like pressure. 1. If he fails at any tourney at sc2, he can always say "meh, I wasn't really that serious anyway". It's a ready made excuse. 2. If he doesn't go to Korea for a long time in the first place, he can't really fail there. People will sing his praises and say "if he had gone he would own I know it". I love his play, I love the man, I am so so disappointed at his decision. He's so ready, he's so skilled, why doesn't he go  His results thus are clouded with uncertainty by fans and haters alike
Because the kid is smart and knows his future is going to be secure with a good education and job as a physician. I mean, I would love to see him continue to hone his craft and learn to dominate elsewhere too, but he knows what's best for his life (and honestly, it is the better decision)
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On March 24 2012 14:54 Scila wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 14:16 Azarkon wrote:On March 24 2012 14:07 Fionn wrote:On March 24 2012 14:05 Lysanias wrote:On March 24 2012 13:58 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 24 2012 13:52 MattyClutch wrote:On March 24 2012 13:51 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 24 2012 13:44 lannisport wrote:
So who can actually take Stephano on in a straight up zvt? I'd really like to see him against MMA, MVP or jjakji. Not taking any credit away from Polt, but it seems like if you let Stephano macro up he will just overrun you. I think he has BETTER infestor control/BL/late game army control than ANY zerg right now, including DRG. And he shuts down drops fairly easily plus likes to play safe with spines. Any Code S terran can take stephano in macro games, including Polt. One perfect example would be alive, who is undefeated against stephano, and all the games weren't even close. I would say overall I agree with you, but Stephano has more than shown that he can stand toe to toe with Polt. I wouldn't so easily write him off. Yes, he did lose, but he lost in a pretty great series. Yeah Polt and Stephano are pretty evenly matched, but I really don't think Polt vZ is that good for the standard of Code S. His TvZ actually ranks 18th in Korean TLPD, not really spectacular. I agree that there are stronger terrans vs Z but i can't name 18 better ones then Polt right now, TLPD is great but it only says overall points not the current play. Polt's TvZ is his weak point, but he has vastly improved from where he was a while ago. He faced Leenock in Code S not too long ago and was able to go 1-1 against him, beat Nestea in the Blizzard Cup, etc. MMA, MVP (when he has wrists) and MKP are way better vZ, but Polt's pretty damn good at it. I wouldn't mind seeing Alive vs. Stephano. That could be a good gauge of how good Stephano is and how good Polt's vZ is. Polt is shaky vs. Stephano in macro games because he never prepares for brood lords and refuses to use ghosts. Ghosts? Really? No top terran has used ghosts against BL/infestor since the nerf, because they're horrible. The only time I've seen them post patch is Morrow using them specifically for nukes. With no ghosts, Terran is NEVER prepared for blords. The only solution is vikings, but it is not a real solution because they get fungaled and killed off by corruptors easily. The only reason Polt won that first match is because Stephano only made 4 broodlords for whatever reason. If he had the typical 8+ number, Polt's surround move would've never worked.
Their loss - ghosts are better vs. Infestors than they used to be. You beat late-game Zerg by keeping their infestor count low. Ghosts are awesome at that. Without infestors, brood lords die to vikings and ultras die to marauders.
Polt's style of econ denial via throwing units at expansions to exploit BL immobility is good strategically, but its one weakness is infestors, because with infestors Zerg is mobile enough to stop him and to do it efficiently. But infestors aren't cheap, and a Zerg has to balance building infestors and brood lords. Keep the infestor count down, and you keep the BL count down as well.
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On March 24 2012 15:06 InDaHouse wrote:
So Stephano is out?
nope, he is in the losers bracket
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On March 24 2012 15:06 InDaHouse wrote:
So Stephano is out?
It's a double elimination tournament. He can still make his way through the loser's bracket.
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On March 24 2012 15:09 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 14:54 Scila wrote:On March 24 2012 14:16 Azarkon wrote:On March 24 2012 14:07 Fionn wrote:On March 24 2012 14:05 Lysanias wrote:On March 24 2012 13:58 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 24 2012 13:52 MattyClutch wrote:On March 24 2012 13:51 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 24 2012 13:44 lannisport wrote:
So who can actually take Stephano on in a straight up zvt? I'd really like to see him against MMA, MVP or jjakji. Not taking any credit away from Polt, but it seems like if you let Stephano macro up he will just overrun you. I think he has BETTER infestor control/BL/late game army control than ANY zerg right now, including DRG. And he shuts down drops fairly easily plus likes to play safe with spines. Any Code S terran can take stephano in macro games, including Polt. One perfect example would be alive, who is undefeated against stephano, and all the games weren't even close. I would say overall I agree with you, but Stephano has more than shown that he can stand toe to toe with Polt. I wouldn't so easily write him off. Yes, he did lose, but he lost in a pretty great series. Yeah Polt and Stephano are pretty evenly matched, but I really don't think Polt vZ is that good for the standard of Code S. His TvZ actually ranks 18th in Korean TLPD, not really spectacular. I agree that there are stronger terrans vs Z but i can't name 18 better ones then Polt right now, TLPD is great but it only says overall points not the current play. Polt's TvZ is his weak point, but he has vastly improved from where he was a while ago. He faced Leenock in Code S not too long ago and was able to go 1-1 against him, beat Nestea in the Blizzard Cup, etc. MMA, MVP (when he has wrists) and MKP are way better vZ, but Polt's pretty damn good at it. I wouldn't mind seeing Alive vs. Stephano. That could be a good gauge of how good Stephano is and how good Polt's vZ is. Polt is shaky vs. Stephano in macro games because he never prepares for brood lords and refuses to use ghosts. Ghosts? Really? No top terran has used ghosts against BL/infestor since the nerf, because they're horrible. The only time I've seen them post patch is Morrow using them specifically for nukes. With no ghosts, Terran is NEVER prepared for blords. The only solution is vikings, but it is not a real solution because they get fungaled and killed off by corruptors easily. The only reason Polt won that first match is because Stephano only made 4 broodlords for whatever reason. If he had the typical 8+ number, Polt's surround move would've never worked. Their loss - ghosts are better vs. Infestors than they used to be. You beat late-game Zerg by keeping their infestor count low. There is no better unit for sniping infestors than ghosts. Without infestors, brood lords die to vikings and ultras die to marauders. Polt's style of econ denial via throwing units at expansions to exploit BL immobility is good strategically, but its one weakness is infestors. But infestors aren't cheap, and a Zerg has to balance building infestors and brood lords. Keep the infestor count down, and you keep the BL count down as well.
you also have to identify the tech switch between BL and Ultra. Thats the most difficult part. Yeah, you can emp the infestors and use vikings to clean up the broodlords, but then they switch to ultra and you are fucked.
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On March 24 2012 12:43 Forbidden17 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 12:42 tharid wrote:CLUTCH, I don't care if you mix up names, or clans, or teams, or whatever. You're the one and only host that make things look not awkward but hell a lot of fun.  yea clutch deserves a fan club. if he doesn't already have one
Thanks!
TSL TSL TSL TSL TSL TSL TSL Polt
Quantic....
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On March 24 2012 14:54 Scila wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 14:16 Azarkon wrote:On March 24 2012 14:07 Fionn wrote:On March 24 2012 14:05 Lysanias wrote:On March 24 2012 13:58 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 24 2012 13:52 MattyClutch wrote:On March 24 2012 13:51 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 24 2012 13:44 lannisport wrote:
So who can actually take Stephano on in a straight up zvt? I'd really like to see him against MMA, MVP or jjakji. Not taking any credit away from Polt, but it seems like if you let Stephano macro up he will just overrun you. I think he has BETTER infestor control/BL/late game army control than ANY zerg right now, including DRG. And he shuts down drops fairly easily plus likes to play safe with spines. Any Code S terran can take stephano in macro games, including Polt. One perfect example would be alive, who is undefeated against stephano, and all the games weren't even close. I would say overall I agree with you, but Stephano has more than shown that he can stand toe to toe with Polt. I wouldn't so easily write him off. Yes, he did lose, but he lost in a pretty great series. Yeah Polt and Stephano are pretty evenly matched, but I really don't think Polt vZ is that good for the standard of Code S. His TvZ actually ranks 18th in Korean TLPD, not really spectacular. I agree that there are stronger terrans vs Z but i can't name 18 better ones then Polt right now, TLPD is great but it only says overall points not the current play. Polt's TvZ is his weak point, but he has vastly improved from where he was a while ago. He faced Leenock in Code S not too long ago and was able to go 1-1 against him, beat Nestea in the Blizzard Cup, etc. MMA, MVP (when he has wrists) and MKP are way better vZ, but Polt's pretty damn good at it. I wouldn't mind seeing Alive vs. Stephano. That could be a good gauge of how good Stephano is and how good Polt's vZ is. Polt is shaky vs. Stephano in macro games because he never prepares for brood lords and refuses to use ghosts. Ghosts? Really? No top terran has used ghosts against BL/infestor since the nerf, because they're horrible. The only time I've seen them post patch is Morrow using them specifically for nukes. With no ghosts, Terran is NEVER prepared for blords. The only solution is vikings, but it is not a real solution because they get fungaled and killed off by corruptors easily. The only reason Polt won that first match is because Stephano only made 4 broodlords for whatever reason. If he had the typical 8+ number, Polt's surround move would've never worked.
If only there was a Terran unit that could easily kill or neutralize the infestors so the vikings could kill the broodlords without getting fungaled!
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On March 24 2012 15:12 Clutch8 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 12:43 Forbidden17 wrote:On March 24 2012 12:42 tharid wrote:CLUTCH, I don't care if you mix up names, or clans, or teams, or whatever. You're the one and only host that make things look not awkward but hell a lot of fun. yea clutch deserves a fan club. if he doesn't already have one Thanks! TSL TSL TSL TSL TSL TSL TSL Polt Quantic....
Team STC sounds like it would have lots of pelvic thrusting ceremonies every time they won, though. Could see a good team of TheStC, Polt, MC, Ace, DRG, and Genius for ceremonies and since you already said Polt is on the team
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Actually, I don't think stephano wants to play a REAL macro game vs Polt. All I see him do is cheesy attacks when he get brood lords out. In a REAL macro game where Polt has BCs, ravens, thors and ghosts. His superior control would wreck Stephano.
See how ridiculous that sounds?
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On March 24 2012 15:14 Empirimancer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 14:54 Scila wrote:On March 24 2012 14:16 Azarkon wrote:On March 24 2012 14:07 Fionn wrote:On March 24 2012 14:05 Lysanias wrote:On March 24 2012 13:58 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 24 2012 13:52 MattyClutch wrote:On March 24 2012 13:51 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 24 2012 13:44 lannisport wrote:
So who can actually take Stephano on in a straight up zvt? I'd really like to see him against MMA, MVP or jjakji. Not taking any credit away from Polt, but it seems like if you let Stephano macro up he will just overrun you. I think he has BETTER infestor control/BL/late game army control than ANY zerg right now, including DRG. And he shuts down drops fairly easily plus likes to play safe with spines. Any Code S terran can take stephano in macro games, including Polt. One perfect example would be alive, who is undefeated against stephano, and all the games weren't even close. I would say overall I agree with you, but Stephano has more than shown that he can stand toe to toe with Polt. I wouldn't so easily write him off. Yes, he did lose, but he lost in a pretty great series. Yeah Polt and Stephano are pretty evenly matched, but I really don't think Polt vZ is that good for the standard of Code S. His TvZ actually ranks 18th in Korean TLPD, not really spectacular. I agree that there are stronger terrans vs Z but i can't name 18 better ones then Polt right now, TLPD is great but it only says overall points not the current play. Polt's TvZ is his weak point, but he has vastly improved from where he was a while ago. He faced Leenock in Code S not too long ago and was able to go 1-1 against him, beat Nestea in the Blizzard Cup, etc. MMA, MVP (when he has wrists) and MKP are way better vZ, but Polt's pretty damn good at it. I wouldn't mind seeing Alive vs. Stephano. That could be a good gauge of how good Stephano is and how good Polt's vZ is. Polt is shaky vs. Stephano in macro games because he never prepares for brood lords and refuses to use ghosts. Ghosts? Really? No top terran has used ghosts against BL/infestor since the nerf, because they're horrible. The only time I've seen them post patch is Morrow using them specifically for nukes. With no ghosts, Terran is NEVER prepared for blords. The only solution is vikings, but it is not a real solution because they get fungaled and killed off by corruptors easily. The only reason Polt won that first match is because Stephano only made 4 broodlords for whatever reason. If he had the typical 8+ number, Polt's surround move would've never worked. If only there was a Terran unit that could easily kill or neutralize the infestors so the vikings could kill the broodlords without getting fungaled!
And when they switch to Ultra?
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Usually the broodlords are in front of the infestors and if zerg has overseer, it is not easy to get ghosts in position to snipe or emp the infestors. Plus unless terran is on 4-5 bases, hard to afford ghosts, Vikings and air upgrades.
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On March 24 2012 15:20 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 15:14 Empirimancer wrote:On March 24 2012 14:54 Scila wrote:On March 24 2012 14:16 Azarkon wrote:On March 24 2012 14:07 Fionn wrote:On March 24 2012 14:05 Lysanias wrote:On March 24 2012 13:58 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 24 2012 13:52 MattyClutch wrote:On March 24 2012 13:51 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 24 2012 13:44 lannisport wrote:
So who can actually take Stephano on in a straight up zvt? I'd really like to see him against MMA, MVP or jjakji. Not taking any credit away from Polt, but it seems like if you let Stephano macro up he will just overrun you. I think he has BETTER infestor control/BL/late game army control than ANY zerg right now, including DRG. And he shuts down drops fairly easily plus likes to play safe with spines. Any Code S terran can take stephano in macro games, including Polt. One perfect example would be alive, who is undefeated against stephano, and all the games weren't even close. I would say overall I agree with you, but Stephano has more than shown that he can stand toe to toe with Polt. I wouldn't so easily write him off. Yes, he did lose, but he lost in a pretty great series. Yeah Polt and Stephano are pretty evenly matched, but I really don't think Polt vZ is that good for the standard of Code S. His TvZ actually ranks 18th in Korean TLPD, not really spectacular. I agree that there are stronger terrans vs Z but i can't name 18 better ones then Polt right now, TLPD is great but it only says overall points not the current play. Polt's TvZ is his weak point, but he has vastly improved from where he was a while ago. He faced Leenock in Code S not too long ago and was able to go 1-1 against him, beat Nestea in the Blizzard Cup, etc. MMA, MVP (when he has wrists) and MKP are way better vZ, but Polt's pretty damn good at it. I wouldn't mind seeing Alive vs. Stephano. That could be a good gauge of how good Stephano is and how good Polt's vZ is. Polt is shaky vs. Stephano in macro games because he never prepares for brood lords and refuses to use ghosts. Ghosts? Really? No top terran has used ghosts against BL/infestor since the nerf, because they're horrible. The only time I've seen them post patch is Morrow using them specifically for nukes. With no ghosts, Terran is NEVER prepared for blords. The only solution is vikings, but it is not a real solution because they get fungaled and killed off by corruptors easily. The only reason Polt won that first match is because Stephano only made 4 broodlords for whatever reason. If he had the typical 8+ number, Polt's surround move would've never worked. If only there was a Terran unit that could easily kill or neutralize the infestors so the vikings could kill the broodlords without getting fungaled! And when they switch to Ultra?
Ultras can then be kited because the ghosts will still neutralize the infestors and prevent a lot of the fungals.
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So how can I watch the VODS? I have a gold-pass and I'm desperately trying to prevent spoilers. When I go to the stream I just get the MLG commercial and some other crap. Any way to replay last nights stream?
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pvt is all micro.. from silver to gm.. kind of why I prefer to just void ray all in all the time.. Kind of surprised only genius has done this recently
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Watch out for Crazymoving guys, will make a nice run this weekend.
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Watching Stephano and Polt was a great series. Game three was a tad dissappointing, to say the least, but it shows a very viable way to play at the tip top level of the game. Hide all of your information and metagame the shit out of your opponent. Had there been a spire (which is so uncharacteristic of Stephano to do so, which is why Polt would take that risk) even a small number of mutalisks+spines for ground defense gunning down hellions would have shut that push down and put polt way behind.
I wouldn't diss polt for "not preparing for Hivetech" because hivetech is still an unpredictable play from your opponent as far as time-wise through a game. In game two stephano had a rediculous amount of gas from eight extractors so relatively early into the game, which allowed him to choose any hivetech he wanted. I don't discredit Polt for that game, but he could have matched stephanos early 3rd base as well as deny a 4th and work on his upgrades faster. Something tells me he missed a strong timing behind his drops because they didn't do damage.
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Man DRG seemed out of it today before his match against Demuslim. He spent most of the 40 minutes of delay just sleeping (atleast I assume he was asleep, he didn't move at all) at his keyboard and just overall seemed kinda down. Obviously he pulled through and won his games but I could tell he was suffering.
Hope he feels better for tomorrow! (Well, technically today...)
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