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Apparently some people are dumb enough to STILL be asking for it, so let's make things clear: Do NOT ask for re-streams, and do NOT post re-streams. Do not come here and muddle the thread by bitching about PPV. | ||
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bearhug
United States999 Posts
On February 26 2012 12:26 chosenkerrigan wrote: Yeah it's kinda weird to see MKP suddenly becomes so godly in TvP.. Suddenly? You must be new to SC2. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=959&part=games&league=standard&vs=P | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
so sad that ret got cheesed out and haypro's loss to sjow was hard to swallow as well, i feel he had game 2 in the bag. all the what ifs will keep me up tonight. | ||
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Rarak
Australia631 Posts
On February 26 2012 12:11 ElectricWizard wrote: lmao, what a weird bunch of people you guys are. naniwa gets cheesed again and again by three different zergs because they fear his mid/late game, and you still call HIM the lame one. what the actual fuck The common factor here is that Naniwa opens very greedy, so an intelligent response to that is to cheese him and collect your free win. The best players identify when to do this. | ||
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NuclearJudas
6546 Posts
On February 26 2012 12:28 Liph wrote: I don't get why any of the Naniwa supporters think they have any weight in any of their arguments here. He's never really accomplished anything major that people actually respect. It's bordering on obscenely comical behavior. Nevertheless, the final 6 we have is a truly great group of respectable people who I can all cheer for and share in their mlg championship. Karma. 2nd place in TSL. Won an MLG. 2nd place at Providence. Won the MLG Global Invitational, Beating MVP and Nestea. Come on, man, don't say he's without accomplishments. I'm not saying he's the best there is, but he's not a scrub for damn sure. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On February 26 2012 12:28 Liph wrote: I don't get why any of the Naniwa supporters think they have any weight in any of their arguments here. He's never really accomplished anything major that people actually respect. It's bordering on obscenely comical behavior. Nevertheless, the final 6 we have is a truly great group of respectable people who I can all cheer for and share in their mlg championship. Karma. Well, I guess it depends on what you call major but he did get 2nd in the TSL3, 2nd at MLG providence, and won a pre korean invites MLG. That is more than what many other progamers can say about their career. I´m no Naniwa fanboy but lets give the guy some credit. | ||
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cellblock
Sweden206 Posts
On February 26 2012 12:28 Liph wrote: I don't get why any of the Naniwa supporters think they have any weight in any of their arguments here. He's never really accomplished anything major that people actually respect. It's bordering on obscenely comical behavior. Nevertheless, the final 6 we have is a truly great group of respectable people who I can all cheer for and share in their mlg championship. Karma. Is that a joke? He´s won more than most foreigners and he got the toughest possible matches possible this MLG. | ||
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how2TL
1197 Posts
On February 26 2012 12:28 Liph wrote: I don't get why any of the Naniwa supporters think they have any weight in any of their arguments here. He's never really accomplished anything major that people actually respect. It's bordering on obscenely comical behavior. Nevertheless, the final 6 we have is a truly great group of respectable people who I can all cheer for and share in their mlg championship. Karma. I guess we don't need to respect your post based on the same logic. | ||
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Hawke5811
United States183 Posts
Considering you get 3 days of this, I don't think $20 is unreasonable. For the issue with people being able to view without paying, perhaps a small discount or credit could be given to those who bought passes this time? That way they can work out the issue for the next Arena so it doesn't happen again, and the people who paid this time get a bit of fairness (albeit at MLG's expense) and will help ensure the rest of the profit on the next Arena pass for MLG I personally am fine with the $20, but I don't want a negative experience/perception among the community for something that has been good on so many other levels | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On February 26 2012 12:21 coverpunch wrote: Also, does this tournament have a lot more cheese than usual because of the relaxed, HomeStory-like atmosphere or are these legitimate strats in their play when going against such tough competition? Is that just me? (editorial remark: I don't mind cheese at all. But if you told me a week ago that Nestea, Leenock, and DRG would 6-10 pool in the same day, I would have called you crazy) It should tell you something when the three best zerg players in the world all cheese you at least once each in a bo3.. Watching Naniwa play against smart zerg is hilarious to watch (because they adapt to his play). He is obviously a great player, his micro and decision making during engagements is really high level. This doesn't change the fact that he has an enormous, obvious hole in his play and he won't reach his full potential until he plugs that leak. It's not like Nestea, DRG and Leenock are known for cheesing (leenock maybe a little..). It's only against Naniwa because he is so predictable. | ||
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Ansinjunger
United States2451 Posts
On February 26 2012 12:27 sickle wrote: You guys do realise that Huk would have faced MVP if he was not defeated by Ret. What's the difference? Mvp is probably not playing his best if he's losing so early in tournaments lately. And Naniwa is currently #13 on sc2earnings, behind HuK and Stephano among foreigners. | ||
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Hubris
United States113 Posts
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TheDougler
Canada8323 Posts
On February 26 2012 12:28 Liph wrote: I don't get why any of the Naniwa supporters think they have any weight in any of their arguments here. He's never really accomplished anything major that people actually respect. It's bordering on obscenely comical behavior. Nevertheless, the final 6 we have is a truly great group of respectable people who I can all cheer for and share in their mlg championship. Karma. Winning a BO3 against Nestea and Leenock isn't an accomplishment? Rising above his reputation and holding a 6 pool and a 10pool with workers killed isn't an accomplishment? Defeating Leenock in a strait up macro game (game three) isn't an accomplishment? What the fuck man, can't you give a guy credit for vanquishing his demons by defeating the two opponents he had the most to prove against? Edit: The post above mine is fantastic. | ||
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ElectricWizard
Norway200 Posts
On February 26 2012 12:30 Rarak wrote: The common factor here is that Naniwa opens very greedy, so an intelligent response to that is to cheese him and collect your free win. The best players identify when to do this. I don't disagree with any of that. I think it's perfectly fine for players to punish his builds. They should! I was talking about the fools who degrade naniwa when manages to defend and win a game or two. Personally I've never had a problem with people doing cheeses of any kind. | ||
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chosenkerrigan
858 Posts
On February 26 2012 12:30 bearhug wrote: Suddenly? You must be new to SC2. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=959&part=games&league=standard&vs=P I don't know..I just got a feeling he dramatically improved TvP this GSL.. | ||
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Glam
United States325 Posts
On February 26 2012 12:26 Zheega wrote: Some foreigners at last played good against koreans - demuslim, Naniwa, Ret... But a VERY VERY sad day for IM  I'm going to get tired of foreigners patting themselves on the back and saying "Hey guys at least we took some games and like 3 matches!" Its like being super thrilled with winning the sportsmanship trophy. Foreigners need to step up their game. Maybe they think this is awesome since we were terrible compared to the Koreans in BW, but come on. | ||
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
On February 26 2012 12:31 NuclearJudas wrote: 2nd place in TSL. Won an MLG. 2nd place at Providence. Won the MLG Global Invitational, Beating MVP and Nestea. Come on, man, don't say he's without accomplishments. I'm not saying he's the best there is, but he's not a scrub for damn sure. its okay, he can live in his delusional world where he doesn't actually read anything and makes (false) statements. | ||
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c0ldfusion
United States8293 Posts
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Perseverance
Japan2800 Posts
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Perseverance
Japan2800 Posts
On February 26 2012 12:33 Glam wrote: I'm going to get tired of foreigners patting themselves on the back and saying "Hey guys at least we took some games and like 3 matches!" Its like being super thrilled with winning the sportsmanship trophy. Foreigners need to step up their game. Maybe they think this is awesome since we were terrible compared to the Koreans in BW, but come on. I agree, this is just terrible. It's so hard to root for people I know will fail terribly too... | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8323 Posts
On February 26 2012 12:33 chosenkerrigan wrote: I don't know..I just got a feeling he dramatically improved TvP this GSL.. Agreed, MKP used to be the king of TvZ but it's only the past month or two that his TvP has REALLY stepped up. | ||
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