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jj33
Profile Joined April 2011
802 Posts
January 29 2012 07:01 GMT
#561
On January 29 2012 15:25 Kiarip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 15:17 jj33 wrote:
On January 29 2012 14:20 FidoDido wrote:
I'm sure lag was not a factor at all. Nerchio is just a GSL champion level player.



no he's not.


he outplayed jjakji in some of these games pretty hard. Nerchio is top 5-10 zerg in the world probably so...



you're not a gsl code S champ material till you prove otherwise. a showmatch online doesn't prove anything.

nerchio would get stomped on in code A much less code S
Kiarip
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1835 Posts
January 29 2012 07:03 GMT
#562
On January 29 2012 16:01 jj33 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 15:25 Kiarip wrote:
On January 29 2012 15:17 jj33 wrote:
On January 29 2012 14:20 FidoDido wrote:
I'm sure lag was not a factor at all. Nerchio is just a GSL champion level player.



no he's not.


he outplayed jjakji in some of these games pretty hard. Nerchio is top 5-10 zerg in the world probably so...



you're not a gsl code S champ material till you prove otherwise. a showmatch online doesn't prove anything.

nerchio would get stomped on in code A much less code S


of course he's not gonna win GSL code S, but neither has DRG, or Leenock
Techno
Profile Joined June 2010
1900 Posts
January 29 2012 07:03 GMT
#563
Too fast of an infestation pit for Nerchio. Im really doubting this guy's skill here. His builds are flat out bad.

Go muta-> get the crazy flock ->trade banelings at least once ~12-16 minutes THEN get infestors. Your good with mutas until 3/3 marines hit.

Plus he doesnt have the gases at his third and cant afford to take them with his low drone count.

T_T Nerch. T fucking T
Hell, its awesome to LOSE to nukes!
jj33
Profile Joined April 2011
802 Posts
January 29 2012 07:03 GMT
#564
On January 29 2012 15:32 Techno wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 15:18 jj33 wrote:
On January 29 2012 15:04 Techno wrote:
Nerchio's victories here don't suprise me at all.
Jijakji is playing quite well but he keeps making a couple of mistakes that he simply cannot recover from. A few big fungals really won Nerchio that game.

Jijakji's macro really shined in that game. He lost something like 40+ scvs and 40+ marines for free due to some increddible fungal usage, and still had an econ and in fact a supply lead for a significant portion of the game.

It simply is not acceptable to not scan up ramps when playing vs infestor style.

I think Nerchio and Stephano are so successful because they are really good with infestors. Most Korean Zergs are really good at making banelings, and pretty bad at making tactical decisions (DRG not withstanding). These foreign zergs use Terran like tactics which force literally CONSTANT micro (splitting, scanning) from the Terran to combat.

Infestor's weakness has historically been drops and mass expanding. Drops are actually incredibly easy to defend with infestors if you plan for them, and mass expanding can be pretty weak to hive tech if your positioning/transitioning is not spot on. Even if you defend the Broodlords, if you dont kill the infestors the Ultralisk push can spell doom.
And then comes the nydus.



jjaki was doing is standard build like he would play in ladder. you can tell from how he played, he's known for ridiculous timing attacks.

he didn't want to reveal too much in this series.

He really didn't show his best, watch him in gsl and in this, it's clear he didn't go balls out.

Whatever helps you sleep at night, bro but Jijakji is known for IMMVP esque macro games with a Slayers MMA tactical twist, not a theBestFoU clusterfuck.

Jakji simply wasnt in the mindset to play a good TvZ in the first couple games, and no amount of skill can win you a TvZ when you do not force the zerg to choose what lives and what dies.



whatever helps me sleep at night? oh ok?

I don't need to convince myself of anything, jjaki won and that was not his best at all. seems you're the one trying to convince yourself and desperately hang onto a show match online and tell yourself that nerchio is some code S god now.
jj33
Profile Joined April 2011
802 Posts
January 29 2012 07:08 GMT
#565
On January 29 2012 16:03 Kiarip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 16:01 jj33 wrote:
On January 29 2012 15:25 Kiarip wrote:
On January 29 2012 15:17 jj33 wrote:
On January 29 2012 14:20 FidoDido wrote:
I'm sure lag was not a factor at all. Nerchio is just a GSL champion level player.



no he's not.


he outplayed jjakji in some of these games pretty hard. Nerchio is top 5-10 zerg in the world probably so...



you're not a gsl code S champ material till you prove otherwise. a showmatch online doesn't prove anything.

nerchio would get stomped on in code A much less code S


of course he's not gonna win GSL code S, but neither has DRG, or Leenock



how does that statement you just made about drg and leenock prove anything?

drg/leenock have done more to prove their worth than nerchio has by far.

nercho may have won alot of online tournaments, but he hasn't accomplished what drg/leenock has in really big tournaments that really matter.

hell, leenock's mlg providence run and 2nd place at gsl code S trumps all of nerchio's online tournaments, and drg/leenock are Code S players. nerchio isn't. you're not a Code S player till you actually make it.
Jehct
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
New Zealand9115 Posts
January 29 2012 07:08 GMT
#566
On January 29 2012 16:03 Kiarip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 16:01 jj33 wrote:
On January 29 2012 15:25 Kiarip wrote:
On January 29 2012 15:17 jj33 wrote:
On January 29 2012 14:20 FidoDido wrote:
I'm sure lag was not a factor at all. Nerchio is just a GSL champion level player.



no he's not.


he outplayed jjakji in some of these games pretty hard. Nerchio is top 5-10 zerg in the world probably so...



you're not a gsl code S champ material till you prove otherwise. a showmatch online doesn't prove anything.

nerchio would get stomped on in code A much less code S


of course he's not gonna win GSL code S, but neither has DRG, or Leenock

You're right, because none of them have won a GSL championship, DRG = Leenock = Nerchio. Their achievements are totally comparable. What the fuck is the point of your post.
"You seem to think about this game a lot"
jjhchsc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)2393 Posts
January 29 2012 07:10 GMT
#567
On January 29 2012 15:55 Kiarip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 15:39 1Eris1 wrote:
On January 29 2012 15:28 Kiarip wrote:
On January 29 2012 15:28 Megabuster123 wrote:
On January 29 2012 15:25 Kiarip wrote:
On January 29 2012 15:17 jj33 wrote:
On January 29 2012 14:20 FidoDido wrote:
I'm sure lag was not a factor at all. Nerchio is just a GSL champion level player.



no he's not.


he outplayed jjakji in some of these games pretty hard. Nerchio is top 5-10 zerg in the world probably so...

I think it's a little early to be making statements like that. Sure, he looked good today but I've also seen him humiliated by players like Whitera fairly recently.


??? Nerchio has been showing very good results consistently against some koreans too...

he's been around for a pretty long time, top3 zerg in Europe.


And what notable series victories does he have over top Koreans?
.
.
.
Exactly. He's a top foreigner, but calling him a top in the world is ridiculous and baseless



what are the top korean zergs right now? nestea drg leenock and curious? ok all the other ones are no better than foreign top zergs...

He's beaten hero and violet according to tlpd...

top foreigner isn't that far from top korean


Lol yes they are....
Look at HuK, IdrA, Stephano, SaSe, NaNiwa. all of them in code A/B. That is very FAR from top koreans which i assume you are talking about Top 20 Code S
Lee Ssang/ Lee Shin/ Kim Jung Woo/ Kim Min Chul/Jun Tae Yang/Park Soo Ho/Lee Jung Hoon/Choi Sung Hoon/ Moon Sung Won/Park Ji Soo/ Lee Ho Joon/ Jang Min Chul/ Kim Seung Chul/SaSe/IdrA/Ret Fighting! BW4Life
Kiarip
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1835 Posts
January 29 2012 07:13 GMT
#568
On January 29 2012 16:08 jj33 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 16:03 Kiarip wrote:
On January 29 2012 16:01 jj33 wrote:
On January 29 2012 15:25 Kiarip wrote:
On January 29 2012 15:17 jj33 wrote:
On January 29 2012 14:20 FidoDido wrote:
I'm sure lag was not a factor at all. Nerchio is just a GSL champion level player.



no he's not.


he outplayed jjakji in some of these games pretty hard. Nerchio is top 5-10 zerg in the world probably so...



you're not a gsl code S champ material till you prove otherwise. a showmatch online doesn't prove anything.

nerchio would get stomped on in code A much less code S


of course he's not gonna win GSL code S, but neither has DRG, or Leenock



how does that statement you just made about drg and leenock prove anything?

drg/leenock have done more to prove their worth than nerchio has by far.

nercho may have won alot of online tournaments, but he hasn't accomplished what drg/leenock has in really big tournaments that really matter.

hell, leenock's mlg providence run and 2nd place at gsl code S trumps all of nerchio's online tournaments, and drg/leenock are Code S players. nerchio isn't. you're not a Code S player till you actually make it.


... You're making it sound like if a player is in code S he can't compete with those that are... when this is obviously wrong... Nerchio competed against Jjakji pretty ok-ishly and he did not have his best games either sooo..
Kiarip
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1835 Posts
January 29 2012 07:16 GMT
#569
On January 29 2012 16:10 jjhchsc2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 15:55 Kiarip wrote:
On January 29 2012 15:39 1Eris1 wrote:
On January 29 2012 15:28 Kiarip wrote:
On January 29 2012 15:28 Megabuster123 wrote:
On January 29 2012 15:25 Kiarip wrote:
On January 29 2012 15:17 jj33 wrote:
On January 29 2012 14:20 FidoDido wrote:
I'm sure lag was not a factor at all. Nerchio is just a GSL champion level player.



no he's not.


he outplayed jjakji in some of these games pretty hard. Nerchio is top 5-10 zerg in the world probably so...

I think it's a little early to be making statements like that. Sure, he looked good today but I've also seen him humiliated by players like Whitera fairly recently.


??? Nerchio has been showing very good results consistently against some koreans too...

he's been around for a pretty long time, top3 zerg in Europe.


And what notable series victories does he have over top Koreans?
.
.
.
Exactly. He's a top foreigner, but calling him a top in the world is ridiculous and baseless



what are the top korean zergs right now? nestea drg leenock and curious? ok all the other ones are no better than foreign top zergs...

He's beaten hero and violet according to tlpd...

top foreigner isn't that far from top korean


Lol yes they are....
Look at HuK, IdrA, Stephano, SaSe, NaNiwa. all of them in code A/B. That is very FAR from top koreans which i assume you are talking about Top 20 Code S


And they all have taken convincing games off players that are in Code S... getting into code S is very hard for any player, since there's not a lot of foreigners in korea it makes sense that it takes them a while to get into code S...
skyflyfish
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada499 Posts
January 29 2012 07:21 GMT
#570
you know what i blame Jjakji for all these drama
as1
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
January 29 2012 07:21 GMT
#571
That TERRIBLE map tournament is a great idea. I would love to see that.
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
January 29 2012 07:23 GMT
#572
On January 29 2012 16:10 jjhchsc2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 15:55 Kiarip wrote:
On January 29 2012 15:39 1Eris1 wrote:
On January 29 2012 15:28 Kiarip wrote:
On January 29 2012 15:28 Megabuster123 wrote:
On January 29 2012 15:25 Kiarip wrote:
On January 29 2012 15:17 jj33 wrote:
On January 29 2012 14:20 FidoDido wrote:
I'm sure lag was not a factor at all. Nerchio is just a GSL champion level player.



no he's not.


he outplayed jjakji in some of these games pretty hard. Nerchio is top 5-10 zerg in the world probably so...

I think it's a little early to be making statements like that. Sure, he looked good today but I've also seen him humiliated by players like Whitera fairly recently.


??? Nerchio has been showing very good results consistently against some koreans too...

he's been around for a pretty long time, top3 zerg in Europe.


And what notable series victories does he have over top Koreans?
.
.
.
Exactly. He's a top foreigner, but calling him a top in the world is ridiculous and baseless



what are the top korean zergs right now? nestea drg leenock and curious? ok all the other ones are no better than foreign top zergs...

He's beaten hero and violet according to tlpd...

top foreigner isn't that far from top korean


Lol yes they are....
Look at HuK, IdrA, Stephano, SaSe, NaNiwa. all of them in code A/B. That is very FAR from top koreans which i assume you are talking about Top 20 Code S

Most of those names can easily compete with the Code S people around the 20thish best rank. Its when you get into the top 3-8 that the distance widens. Huk and the others have shown good results against top Koreans before.


On another topic.. Does anyone know if HD/Painuser still work at IGN? I have only heard DOA/Catspajamas lately...
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
January 29 2012 07:23 GMT
#573
Good morning TL. 4-3, huh? Nice to see Nerchio doing well. Good games so far?
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
dgwow
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1024 Posts
January 29 2012 07:30 GMT
#574
On January 27 2012 04:09 HappyChris wrote:
Nerchio allmost never lose online and Jjaki dont know Nerchios style. However when that is sayd Jjaki are a monster. Was so impressed by him when he played vs Stephano when he was in Korea.

Ill say close match but Jjaki gonna edge it out

However if Nerchio wins Im just gonna say it before anyone els Jjaki must have been lagged o.0 Herpderp


Quoted to say how wrong I was :D
Don't let those anti-cheese advocates tell you what to do. Rush to meet life head on!
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
January 29 2012 07:34 GMT
#575
If this was Idra winning people would be going crazy. Now they are just saying not to read too much into it...

Can't we just be happy a foreigner is doing really well against a top korean?
Techno
Profile Joined June 2010
1900 Posts
January 29 2012 07:36 GMT
#576
On January 29 2012 16:23 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Good morning TL. 4-3, huh? Nice to see Nerchio doing well. Good games so far?

Good night, my swedish comrade. I am watching these in bed right now and am about ready to get my eight hours!

Games 1 and 2 Nerchio dominated with infestor harass killin a ton of workers and a couple big fungals nerfing any T pushes before Broodlords.

Games 3,4,5, were won by Nerchio using ultralisks poorly, and teching to fast (taking damage from stim timing).
Pretty damn solid seriess.
Hell, its awesome to LOSE to nukes!
wklbishop
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1286 Posts
January 29 2012 07:40 GMT
#577
On January 29 2012 16:16 Kiarip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 16:10 jjhchsc2 wrote:
On January 29 2012 15:55 Kiarip wrote:
On January 29 2012 15:39 1Eris1 wrote:
On January 29 2012 15:28 Kiarip wrote:
On January 29 2012 15:28 Megabuster123 wrote:
On January 29 2012 15:25 Kiarip wrote:
On January 29 2012 15:17 jj33 wrote:
On January 29 2012 14:20 FidoDido wrote:
I'm sure lag was not a factor at all. Nerchio is just a GSL champion level player.



no he's not.


he outplayed jjakji in some of these games pretty hard. Nerchio is top 5-10 zerg in the world probably so...

I think it's a little early to be making statements like that. Sure, he looked good today but I've also seen him humiliated by players like Whitera fairly recently.


??? Nerchio has been showing very good results consistently against some koreans too...

he's been around for a pretty long time, top3 zerg in Europe.


And what notable series victories does he have over top Koreans?
.
.
.
Exactly. He's a top foreigner, but calling him a top in the world is ridiculous and baseless



what are the top korean zergs right now? nestea drg leenock and curious? ok all the other ones are no better than foreign top zergs...

He's beaten hero and violet according to tlpd...

top foreigner isn't that far from top korean


Lol yes they are....
Look at HuK, IdrA, Stephano, SaSe, NaNiwa. all of them in code A/B. That is very FAR from top koreans which i assume you are talking about Top 20 Code S


And they all have taken convincing games off players that are in Code S... getting into code S is very hard for any player, since there's not a lot of foreigners in korea it makes sense that it takes them a while to get into code S...


And they've lost convincing games to mediocre Koreans, just like top Koreans have also lost to mediocre Koreans but it still doesn't make mediocre Koreans like Monster or Bbongbbong not that far off. Seriously though, beating top players here and there doesn't mean much if you can't consistently win.
Gameplay > Personality
obesemk
Profile Joined January 2010
Norway267 Posts
January 29 2012 07:42 GMT
#578
Very good series. Nerchio impressed me alot. Going 4-5 vs a GSL champ is indeed noteworthy.
Crazyeyes
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1342 Posts
January 29 2012 07:42 GMT
#579
On January 29 2012 16:36 Techno wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 16:23 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Good morning TL. 4-3, huh? Nice to see Nerchio doing well. Good games so far?


Games 3,4,5, were won by Nerchio using ultralisks poorly, and teching to fast (taking damage from stim timing).
Pretty damn solid seriess.

You mean by Jjakji? Nerchio doesn't have 5 wins At least not yet.

Thanks for the summary, though. =D
WeeEEeeEEEeeEEEeeeEEee!!
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
January 29 2012 07:44 GMT
#580
On January 29 2012 16:36 Techno wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 16:23 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Good morning TL. 4-3, huh? Nice to see Nerchio doing well. Good games so far?

Good night, my swedish comrade. I am watching these in bed right now and am about ready to get my eight hours!

Games 1 and 2 Nerchio dominated with infestor harass killin a ton of workers and a couple big fungals nerfing any T pushes before Broodlords.

Games 3,4,5, were won by Nerchio using ultralisks poorly, and teching to fast (taking damage from stim timing).
Pretty damn solid seriess.


Thank you very much for the compilation and have a good sleep after the game. ^^
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