On January 29 2012 15:04 Techno wrote: Nerchio's victories here don't suprise me at all. Jijakji is playing quite well but he keeps making a couple of mistakes that he simply cannot recover from. A few big fungals really won Nerchio that game.
Jijakji's macro really shined in that game. He lost something like 40+ scvs and 40+ marines for free due to some increddible fungal usage, and still had an econ and in fact a supply lead for a significant portion of the game.
It simply is not acceptable to not scan up ramps when playing vs infestor style.
I think Nerchio and Stephano are so successful because they are really good with infestors. Most Korean Zergs are really good at making banelings, and pretty bad at making tactical decisions (DRG not withstanding). These foreign zergs use Terran like tactics which force literally CONSTANT micro (splitting, scanning) from the Terran to combat.
Infestor's weakness has historically been drops and mass expanding. Drops are actually incredibly easy to defend with infestors if you plan for them, and mass expanding can be pretty weak to hive tech if your positioning/transitioning is not spot on. Even if you defend the Broodlords, if you dont kill the infestors the Ultralisk push can spell doom. And then comes the nydus.
jjaki was doing is standard build like he would play in ladder. you can tell from how he played, he's known for ridiculous timing attacks.
he didn't want to reveal too much in this series.
He really didn't show his best, watch him in gsl and in this, it's clear he didn't go balls out.
Whatever helps you sleep at night, bro but Jijakji is known for IMMVP esque macro games with a Slayers MMA tactical twist, not a theBestFoU clusterfuck.
Jakji simply wasnt in the mindset to play a good TvZ in the first couple games, and no amount of skill can win you a TvZ when you do not force the zerg to choose what lives and what dies.
whatever helps me sleep at night? oh ok?
I don't need to convince myself of anything, jjaki won and that was not his best at all. seems you're the one trying to convince yourself and desperately hang onto a show match online and tell yourself that nerchio is some code S god now.
On January 29 2012 14:20 FidoDido wrote: I'm sure lag was not a factor at all. Nerchio is just a GSL champion level player.
no he's not.
he outplayed jjakji in some of these games pretty hard. Nerchio is top 5-10 zerg in the world probably so...
you're not a gsl code S champ material till you prove otherwise. a showmatch online doesn't prove anything.
nerchio would get stomped on in code A much less code S
of course he's not gonna win GSL code S, but neither has DRG, or Leenock
how does that statement you just made about drg and leenock prove anything?
drg/leenock have done more to prove their worth than nerchio has by far.
nercho may have won alot of online tournaments, but he hasn't accomplished what drg/leenock has in really big tournaments that really matter.
hell, leenock's mlg providence run and 2nd place at gsl code S trumps all of nerchio's online tournaments, and drg/leenock are Code S players. nerchio isn't. you're not a Code S player till you actually make it.
On January 29 2012 14:20 FidoDido wrote: I'm sure lag was not a factor at all. Nerchio is just a GSL champion level player.
no he's not.
he outplayed jjakji in some of these games pretty hard. Nerchio is top 5-10 zerg in the world probably so...
you're not a gsl code S champ material till you prove otherwise. a showmatch online doesn't prove anything.
nerchio would get stomped on in code A much less code S
of course he's not gonna win GSL code S, but neither has DRG, or Leenock
You're right, because none of them have won a GSL championship, DRG = Leenock = Nerchio. Their achievements are totally comparable. What the fuck is the point of your post.
On January 29 2012 14:20 FidoDido wrote: I'm sure lag was not a factor at all. Nerchio is just a GSL champion level player.
no he's not.
he outplayed jjakji in some of these games pretty hard. Nerchio is top 5-10 zerg in the world probably so...
I think it's a little early to be making statements like that. Sure, he looked good today but I've also seen him humiliated by players like Whitera fairly recently.
??? Nerchio has been showing very good results consistently against some koreans too...
he's been around for a pretty long time, top3 zerg in Europe.
And what notable series victories does he have over top Koreans? . . . Exactly. He's a top foreigner, but calling him a top in the world is ridiculous and baseless
what are the top korean zergs right now? nestea drg leenock and curious? ok all the other ones are no better than foreign top zergs...
He's beaten hero and violet according to tlpd...
top foreigner isn't that far from top korean
Lol yes they are.... Look at HuK, IdrA, Stephano, SaSe, NaNiwa. all of them in code A/B. That is very FAR from top koreans which i assume you are talking about Top 20 Code S
On January 29 2012 14:20 FidoDido wrote: I'm sure lag was not a factor at all. Nerchio is just a GSL champion level player.
no he's not.
he outplayed jjakji in some of these games pretty hard. Nerchio is top 5-10 zerg in the world probably so...
you're not a gsl code S champ material till you prove otherwise. a showmatch online doesn't prove anything.
nerchio would get stomped on in code A much less code S
of course he's not gonna win GSL code S, but neither has DRG, or Leenock
how does that statement you just made about drg and leenock prove anything?
drg/leenock have done more to prove their worth than nerchio has by far.
nercho may have won alot of online tournaments, but he hasn't accomplished what drg/leenock has in really big tournaments that really matter.
hell, leenock's mlg providence run and 2nd place at gsl code S trumps all of nerchio's online tournaments, and drg/leenock are Code S players. nerchio isn't. you're not a Code S player till you actually make it.
... You're making it sound like if a player is in code S he can't compete with those that are... when this is obviously wrong... Nerchio competed against Jjakji pretty ok-ishly and he did not have his best games either sooo..
On January 29 2012 14:20 FidoDido wrote: I'm sure lag was not a factor at all. Nerchio is just a GSL champion level player.
no he's not.
he outplayed jjakji in some of these games pretty hard. Nerchio is top 5-10 zerg in the world probably so...
I think it's a little early to be making statements like that. Sure, he looked good today but I've also seen him humiliated by players like Whitera fairly recently.
??? Nerchio has been showing very good results consistently against some koreans too...
he's been around for a pretty long time, top3 zerg in Europe.
And what notable series victories does he have over top Koreans? . . . Exactly. He's a top foreigner, but calling him a top in the world is ridiculous and baseless
what are the top korean zergs right now? nestea drg leenock and curious? ok all the other ones are no better than foreign top zergs...
He's beaten hero and violet according to tlpd...
top foreigner isn't that far from top korean
Lol yes they are.... Look at HuK, IdrA, Stephano, SaSe, NaNiwa. all of them in code A/B. That is very FAR from top koreans which i assume you are talking about Top 20 Code S
And they all have taken convincing games off players that are in Code S... getting into code S is very hard for any player, since there's not a lot of foreigners in korea it makes sense that it takes them a while to get into code S...
On January 29 2012 14:20 FidoDido wrote: I'm sure lag was not a factor at all. Nerchio is just a GSL champion level player.
no he's not.
he outplayed jjakji in some of these games pretty hard. Nerchio is top 5-10 zerg in the world probably so...
I think it's a little early to be making statements like that. Sure, he looked good today but I've also seen him humiliated by players like Whitera fairly recently.
??? Nerchio has been showing very good results consistently against some koreans too...
he's been around for a pretty long time, top3 zerg in Europe.
And what notable series victories does he have over top Koreans? . . . Exactly. He's a top foreigner, but calling him a top in the world is ridiculous and baseless
what are the top korean zergs right now? nestea drg leenock and curious? ok all the other ones are no better than foreign top zergs...
He's beaten hero and violet according to tlpd...
top foreigner isn't that far from top korean
Lol yes they are.... Look at HuK, IdrA, Stephano, SaSe, NaNiwa. all of them in code A/B. That is very FAR from top koreans which i assume you are talking about Top 20 Code S
Most of those names can easily compete with the Code S people around the 20thish best rank. Its when you get into the top 3-8 that the distance widens. Huk and the others have shown good results against top Koreans before.
On another topic.. Does anyone know if HD/Painuser still work at IGN? I have only heard DOA/Catspajamas lately...
On January 27 2012 04:09 HappyChris wrote: Nerchio allmost never lose online and Jjaki dont know Nerchios style. However when that is sayd Jjaki are a monster. Was so impressed by him when he played vs Stephano when he was in Korea.
Ill say close match but Jjaki gonna edge it out
However if Nerchio wins Im just gonna say it before anyone els Jjaki must have been lagged o.0 Herpderp
On January 29 2012 14:20 FidoDido wrote: I'm sure lag was not a factor at all. Nerchio is just a GSL champion level player.
no he's not.
he outplayed jjakji in some of these games pretty hard. Nerchio is top 5-10 zerg in the world probably so...
I think it's a little early to be making statements like that. Sure, he looked good today but I've also seen him humiliated by players like Whitera fairly recently.
??? Nerchio has been showing very good results consistently against some koreans too...
he's been around for a pretty long time, top3 zerg in Europe.
And what notable series victories does he have over top Koreans? . . . Exactly. He's a top foreigner, but calling him a top in the world is ridiculous and baseless
what are the top korean zergs right now? nestea drg leenock and curious? ok all the other ones are no better than foreign top zergs...
He's beaten hero and violet according to tlpd...
top foreigner isn't that far from top korean
Lol yes they are.... Look at HuK, IdrA, Stephano, SaSe, NaNiwa. all of them in code A/B. That is very FAR from top koreans which i assume you are talking about Top 20 Code S
And they all have taken convincing games off players that are in Code S... getting into code S is very hard for any player, since there's not a lot of foreigners in korea it makes sense that it takes them a while to get into code S...
And they've lost convincing games to mediocre Koreans, just like top Koreans have also lost to mediocre Koreans but it still doesn't make mediocre Koreans like Monster or Bbongbbong not that far off. Seriously though, beating top players here and there doesn't mean much if you can't consistently win.