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jj33
Profile Joined April 2011
802 Posts
January 29 2012 06:17 GMT
#541
On January 29 2012 14:20 FidoDido wrote:
I'm sure lag was not a factor at all. Nerchio is just a GSL champion level player.



no he's not.
jj33
Profile Joined April 2011
802 Posts
January 29 2012 06:18 GMT
#542
On January 29 2012 15:04 Techno wrote:
Nerchio's victories here don't suprise me at all.
Jijakji is playing quite well but he keeps making a couple of mistakes that he simply cannot recover from. A few big fungals really won Nerchio that game.

Jijakji's macro really shined in that game. He lost something like 40+ scvs and 40+ marines for free due to some increddible fungal usage, and still had an econ and in fact a supply lead for a significant portion of the game.

It simply is not acceptable to not scan up ramps when playing vs infestor style.

I think Nerchio and Stephano are so successful because they are really good with infestors. Most Korean Zergs are really good at making banelings, and pretty bad at making tactical decisions (DRG not withstanding). These foreign zergs use Terran like tactics which force literally CONSTANT micro (splitting, scanning) from the Terran to combat.

Infestor's weakness has historically been drops and mass expanding. Drops are actually incredibly easy to defend with infestors if you plan for them, and mass expanding can be pretty weak to hive tech if your positioning/transitioning is not spot on. Even if you defend the Broodlords, if you dont kill the infestors the Ultralisk push can spell doom.
And then comes the nydus.



jjaki was doing is standard build like he would play in ladder. you can tell from how he played, he's known for ridiculous timing attacks.

he didn't want to reveal too much in this series.

He really didn't show his best, watch him in gsl and in this, it's clear he didn't go balls out.
Tanukki
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland579 Posts
January 29 2012 06:19 GMT
#543
Forgot chitonous plating in game 5.
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-29 06:22:54
January 29 2012 06:22 GMT
#544
nvm.wrong post
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
January 29 2012 06:23 GMT
#545
....why can't freaking zergs learn to ultrabanes.
Ultralings is the worst composition in the world against marine tank!
moo...for DRG
Kiarip
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1835 Posts
January 29 2012 06:25 GMT
#546
On January 29 2012 15:17 jj33 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 14:20 FidoDido wrote:
I'm sure lag was not a factor at all. Nerchio is just a GSL champion level player.



no he's not.


he outplayed jjakji in some of these games pretty hard. Nerchio is top 5-10 zerg in the world probably so...
Megabuster123
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada1837 Posts
January 29 2012 06:28 GMT
#547
On January 29 2012 15:25 Kiarip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 15:17 jj33 wrote:
On January 29 2012 14:20 FidoDido wrote:
I'm sure lag was not a factor at all. Nerchio is just a GSL champion level player.



no he's not.


he outplayed jjakji in some of these games pretty hard. Nerchio is top 5-10 zerg in the world probably so...

I think it's a little early to be making statements like that. Sure, he looked good today but I've also seen him humiliated by players like Whitera fairly recently.
Kiarip
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1835 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-29 06:30:29
January 29 2012 06:28 GMT
#548
On January 29 2012 15:28 Megabuster123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 15:25 Kiarip wrote:
On January 29 2012 15:17 jj33 wrote:
On January 29 2012 14:20 FidoDido wrote:
I'm sure lag was not a factor at all. Nerchio is just a GSL champion level player.



no he's not.


he outplayed jjakji in some of these games pretty hard. Nerchio is top 5-10 zerg in the world probably so...

I think it's a little early to be making statements like that. Sure, he looked good today but I've also seen him humiliated by players like Whitera fairly recently.


??? Nerchio has been showing very good results consistently against some koreans too...

he's been around for a pretty long time, top3 zerg in Europe.
Talack
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada2742 Posts
January 29 2012 06:31 GMT
#549
Really good series so far.
Techno
Profile Joined June 2010
1900 Posts
January 29 2012 06:32 GMT
#550
On January 29 2012 15:18 jj33 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 15:04 Techno wrote:
Nerchio's victories here don't suprise me at all.
Jijakji is playing quite well but he keeps making a couple of mistakes that he simply cannot recover from. A few big fungals really won Nerchio that game.

Jijakji's macro really shined in that game. He lost something like 40+ scvs and 40+ marines for free due to some increddible fungal usage, and still had an econ and in fact a supply lead for a significant portion of the game.

It simply is not acceptable to not scan up ramps when playing vs infestor style.

I think Nerchio and Stephano are so successful because they are really good with infestors. Most Korean Zergs are really good at making banelings, and pretty bad at making tactical decisions (DRG not withstanding). These foreign zergs use Terran like tactics which force literally CONSTANT micro (splitting, scanning) from the Terran to combat.

Infestor's weakness has historically been drops and mass expanding. Drops are actually incredibly easy to defend with infestors if you plan for them, and mass expanding can be pretty weak to hive tech if your positioning/transitioning is not spot on. Even if you defend the Broodlords, if you dont kill the infestors the Ultralisk push can spell doom.
And then comes the nydus.



jjaki was doing is standard build like he would play in ladder. you can tell from how he played, he's known for ridiculous timing attacks.

he didn't want to reveal too much in this series.

He really didn't show his best, watch him in gsl and in this, it's clear he didn't go balls out.

Whatever helps you sleep at night, bro but Jijakji is known for IMMVP esque macro games with a Slayers MMA tactical twist, not a theBestFoU clusterfuck.

Jakji simply wasnt in the mindset to play a good TvZ in the first couple games, and no amount of skill can win you a TvZ when you do not force the zerg to choose what lives and what dies.
Hell, its awesome to LOSE to nukes!
skyflyfish
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada499 Posts
January 29 2012 06:34 GMT
#551
i dont think korean progamer will play seriously in tournament like this.
as1
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
January 29 2012 06:34 GMT
#552
Jjakji couldn't risk showing good builds because he is in the GSL currently. Having a higher chance of success in the GSL is way more important than having a higher chance of success in a showmatch, sorry to say.
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
Crazyeyes
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1342 Posts
January 29 2012 06:35 GMT
#553
God dammit, I always miss thsi type of shit. Good thing I caught the end.

GO Nerchio! :D
Looks like it's really close. ^__^

Anyone care to summarize what I've missed so far? I will love you forever.
WeeEEeeEEEeeEEEeeeEEee!!
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 29 2012 06:37 GMT
#554
On January 29 2012 15:28 Kiarip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 15:28 Megabuster123 wrote:
On January 29 2012 15:25 Kiarip wrote:
On January 29 2012 15:17 jj33 wrote:
On January 29 2012 14:20 FidoDido wrote:
I'm sure lag was not a factor at all. Nerchio is just a GSL champion level player.



no he's not.


he outplayed jjakji in some of these games pretty hard. Nerchio is top 5-10 zerg in the world probably so...

I think it's a little early to be making statements like that. Sure, he looked good today but I've also seen him humiliated by players like Whitera fairly recently.


??? Nerchio has been showing very good results consistently against some koreans too...


Nerchio is very good, but it would be best to wait before making such bold statements. There have been so many overhyped players since SC2 came out, and I hope it does not happen to nerchio as it makes it hard for the player to meet fan expectations. He has not yet won a major LAN with Koreans. I think top 5 foreign Zerg is a reasonable statement, but not top 10 zerg in the world. Remember: nestea drg leenock curious losira coca...plenty of great zergs out there.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
SidianTheBard
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2475 Posts
January 29 2012 06:37 GMT
#555
Awesome series, awesome castings, awesome job. :D
Creator of Abyssal Reef, Ascension to Aiur, Battle on the Boardwalk, Habitation Station, Honorgrounds, IPL Darkness Falls, King's Cove, Korhal Carnage Knockout & Moonlight Madness.
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
January 29 2012 06:39 GMT
#556
On January 29 2012 15:28 Kiarip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 15:28 Megabuster123 wrote:
On January 29 2012 15:25 Kiarip wrote:
On January 29 2012 15:17 jj33 wrote:
On January 29 2012 14:20 FidoDido wrote:
I'm sure lag was not a factor at all. Nerchio is just a GSL champion level player.



no he's not.


he outplayed jjakji in some of these games pretty hard. Nerchio is top 5-10 zerg in the world probably so...

I think it's a little early to be making statements like that. Sure, he looked good today but I've also seen him humiliated by players like Whitera fairly recently.


??? Nerchio has been showing very good results consistently against some koreans too...

he's been around for a pretty long time, top3 zerg in Europe.


And what notable series victories does he have over top Koreans?
.
.
.
Exactly. He's a top foreigner, but calling him a top in the world is ridiculous and baseless
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
Techno
Profile Joined June 2010
1900 Posts
January 29 2012 06:43 GMT
#557
Nerchio looks like shit in the early game.
That lair was a mistake, I knew hed lose this CBTS game right when I saw that lair go down. He is simply playing too greedy trying to take a fast third after investing in roaches early then dumping all his resources into tech way too fast.

Roach
Third
Roach LIng BLing defense
Then tech up.

Someone needs to introduce nerchio to the baneling.
Hell, its awesome to LOSE to nukes!
skyflyfish
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada499 Posts
January 29 2012 06:43 GMT
#558
On January 29 2012 15:39 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 15:28 Kiarip wrote:
On January 29 2012 15:28 Megabuster123 wrote:
On January 29 2012 15:25 Kiarip wrote:
On January 29 2012 15:17 jj33 wrote:
On January 29 2012 14:20 FidoDido wrote:
I'm sure lag was not a factor at all. Nerchio is just a GSL champion level player.



no he's not.


he outplayed jjakji in some of these games pretty hard. Nerchio is top 5-10 zerg in the world probably so...

I think it's a little early to be making statements like that. Sure, he looked good today but I've also seen him humiliated by players like Whitera fairly recently.


??? Nerchio has been showing very good results consistently against some koreans too...

he's been around for a pretty long time, top3 zerg in Europe.


And what notable series victories does he have over top Koreans?
.
.
.
Exactly. He's a top foreigner, but calling him a top in the world is ridiculous and baseless

i think he beat hero at homestory cup, but hero is not top player in gsl
as1
Techno
Profile Joined June 2010
1900 Posts
January 29 2012 06:48 GMT
#559
On January 29 2012 15:34 Hall0wed wrote:
Jjakji couldn't risk showing good builds because he is in the GSL currently. Having a higher chance of success in the GSL is way more important than having a higher chance of success in a showmatch, sorry to say.

Such flawed logic:
1) People in GSL scout. Some games they might as well have map hacks.
2) Not everyone plays like MC and theBest. The best Terrans in the world play standard. The best Zergs in the world play standard. Even in GSL.
3) He's already showed off 2 timing attacks: Single gas, 3 rax, 1 reactor, reactor medivac 2 marauder stim and 2 gas 3 rax 2 reactor, reactor port stim/combat.
Hell, its awesome to LOSE to nukes!
Kiarip
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1835 Posts
January 29 2012 06:55 GMT
#560
On January 29 2012 15:39 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 15:28 Kiarip wrote:
On January 29 2012 15:28 Megabuster123 wrote:
On January 29 2012 15:25 Kiarip wrote:
On January 29 2012 15:17 jj33 wrote:
On January 29 2012 14:20 FidoDido wrote:
I'm sure lag was not a factor at all. Nerchio is just a GSL champion level player.



no he's not.


he outplayed jjakji in some of these games pretty hard. Nerchio is top 5-10 zerg in the world probably so...

I think it's a little early to be making statements like that. Sure, he looked good today but I've also seen him humiliated by players like Whitera fairly recently.


??? Nerchio has been showing very good results consistently against some koreans too...

he's been around for a pretty long time, top3 zerg in Europe.


And what notable series victories does he have over top Koreans?
.
.
.
Exactly. He's a top foreigner, but calling him a top in the world is ridiculous and baseless



what are the top korean zergs right now? nestea drg leenock and curious? ok all the other ones are no better than foreign top zergs...

He's beaten hero and violet according to tlpd...

top foreigner isn't that far from top korean
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