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beast3
Profile Joined November 2010
United States23 Posts
December 17 2011 14:31 GMT
#9561
Just viewed the ending to the last game again with the VOD. Just as awesome the second time. <3
Swiv
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany3674 Posts
December 17 2011 14:32 GMT
#9562
You all pointed out how great DRG's mindset was coming back from 0:3 to 3:3. But MMA had nerves of steel after losing 3 games, being on the ropes multiple times in that game, yet pulling it through. That's Nadalesque nerves. He will grow so much from this particular game 7. Deep respect. /bow
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ElephantBaby
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1365 Posts
December 17 2011 14:32 GMT
#9563
On December 17 2011 23:11 SilverLeagueElite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2011 22:35 Graviton wrote:
On December 17 2011 22:33 SeaSwift wrote:
And already, we have some cool guy trying to be hipster by being different and picking apart the finals, saying they were bad.

Probably because he appreciates near-flawless play, rather than sloppy decision making.

A person can nitpick and dis-assemble every game to point out every mistake. Replace MMA & DRG with any two players in the same situations and guess how many mistakes will be made. In any game, it's the person who makes the least mistakes, wins. Especially when 2 people are evenly matched.

If you can actually think of some people could play more 'perfect', makes me wonder why they aren't there.


Even if they are the best players in the world. It doesn't mean they will play every game without mistakes. If amateur players can see possible improvements in their games, they are certainly worth to point out for pros to improve.
nokz88
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1253 Posts
December 17 2011 14:33 GMT
#9564
On December 17 2011 23:18 Giriath wrote:
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On December 17 2011 23:14 nokz88 wrote:
On December 17 2011 23:05 Giriath wrote:
On December 17 2011 22:56 SetStndbySmn wrote:
errr mistakes don't make a game bad. When good players play each other in a mental game, they induce mistakes, and mma's multitasking is one of the biggest forces that causes players to fall apart in the GSL. It's not hard to appreciate or understand.


I don't consider the last set or the finals bad. It may even well be the best GSL finals ever, with such an amazing come-back situation.

I also don't think it's hard to understand that this was far from a perfect game from either player, though I can see how the tension and excitement of the finals could make one say so.

lemme guess... are you still butthurt about Naniwa? Let it go man, it's clouding your judgement.


Because I'm not of the opinion that this set was perfect, I'm butthurt about NaNiWa? Uh.

See, this is why poking fun at people who call anything perfect is fun; you get all kinds of hilarious retorts, even if you openly agree that it may be the best thing ever.

Get the fuck off your high horse man. Let me try to show you what kind of douchebaggery you are doing:

1. Beauty contest, points at winner and says "Hey, I've seen much prettier girls."
2. A friend got A in a test. Says "why no A+?"
3. Someone buys a car. Says "pfft... Ferraris piss all over this"

...and to top it off, annoys everyone by saying "look, I'm just telling these are not PERFECT, am I wrong?"

What will it take to realize that your stupid remarks are not welcome here, even if they are true? Go post it in your blog, write a huge paragraph telling us why you thought this finals sucked, whatever. Don't piss off people in the LR thread celebrating a great series to close the year.

I hope there aren't many people like you when I'm celebrating my graduation in a few weeks. "hey, where's the magna cum-laude?" sigh....

User was warned for this post
in a state of trance
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
December 17 2011 14:33 GMT
#9565
On December 17 2011 23:28 Femari wrote:
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On December 17 2011 23:28 Fruscainte wrote:
Wait, who won? The results only show 6 games

+ Show Spoiler +
mma won


FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-17 14:40:27
December 17 2011 14:37 GMT
#9566
On December 17 2011 23:13 Giriath wrote:
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On December 17 2011 23:07 clusen wrote:
On December 17 2011 22:58 Giriath wrote:
I consider Jjakji and MVP's late-game TvZ better than MMA, who almost always tries to win it with relatively few expansions and no ghosts.

As for Zerg, I'd say Leenock's late-game ZvT is better than DRG's, but by a smaller margin than Jjakji and MVP compared to MMA--Leenock also has a habit of engaging with his broodlords at inopportune moments, losing a big lead usually acquired in the mid-game, where he is best.

Uhm, no, MMA is the best lategame TvZ'er. Actually he is pretty much the expansion whore between all the players you mentioned and often ends up with the same amount or even more expansions than his Zerg opponents.

And you can't just go ghosts in the situation he was in ...you need to be safe for quite some time, which he never was.


MVP and Jjakji both often build three CCs in their main base. MMA often puts on pressure from two-base before getting his third, then takes a long while to set up his forth, preferring to either set up a very good defense or put on more pressure.

MMA was ahead in expansions after forcing the cancel on DRG's fourth, and had a very stellar defense mid-map; he had ample time to research and build ghosts.


If you are referring to the shakuras game, you are wrong. Ghost transitions are only really viable from being ahead. At the point where MMA killed the fourth, he himself was still on a 2 base, with only just getting his 3rd up. He was in no way ahead of DRG in expansions. Ghosts might look rather cheap, but they only work in larger numbers.

Which means a significant gas investment (academy + academy upgrades, plus a ghost or 8, runs at 1k already and that's not enough of them to hardcounter BL's), which cuts into both your tanks and upgrades. Watch MVP do ghost transitions some more, they're only possible (and he only does them) when he's taken an early third or managed to kill a 3rd, so his gas income is actually ahead of the Z.

Ghosts aren't some magic 'i win'-button where you can just get a 'few'. You need to plan for it all game long and its incredibly fragile (if not impossible) to switch to from an equal economy.
PrimeTimey
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada369 Posts
December 17 2011 14:38 GMT
#9567
That was a great series, congrats to MMA.

He has made so much cash! http://www.sc2earnings.com/player/184/mun-seong-won
SkyBlaze
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada191 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-17 14:47:09
December 17 2011 14:38 GMT
#9568
On December 17 2011 23:18 Highways wrote:
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On December 17 2011 23:16 human_ko wrote:
On December 17 2011 23:12 Highways wrote:
Does anyone know the GSL song they played during the closing credits?


go to the previous page and you will see the VOD


I means the SC2 artosis/tasteless song.


i know what song he's talking about but i don't know the name of it or the artist but the chorus goes like this sort of

Tasteless time, Artosis time, for GSL/

we are the boys SC2 every hour.

Breaking haerts and breaking records, as we own.

Alpha nerds and your objection is overthrown.

[edit]
I found it. It was at the top left of the screen on the video[good thing I have ticket year pass]

SC2 ANthem - matthew anipen
http://ch.gomtv.com/450/28385/464997
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MCMXVI
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1193 Posts
December 17 2011 14:46 GMT
#9569
On December 17 2011 23:04 TheQforce wrote:
MMA's tank placement inthe last game was amzing, i guess you could say it was

"Puts on sunglasses"

on another level

Hahaha!! The whole train carriage is wondering why i'm laughing so hard lol))))

Nicely done, sir!
In capitalist America, bank robs YOU!
chesshaha
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1117 Posts
December 17 2011 14:47 GMT
#9570
Where are the recommended games?? :/
"Hopefully you're not the real TLO so it's not casted" - SpecialK
drezi
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland72 Posts
December 17 2011 14:52 GMT
#9571
damn, i was so tired after the first 2 games i went to sleep, now come back to reading comments like that about game 7, me wants to see vods :p
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
December 17 2011 14:52 GMT
#9572
On December 17 2011 23:47 chesshaha wrote:
Where are the recommended games?? :/

Games 2 and 7 were the best games personally. Game 7 is without a doubt the best game in terms of intensity, action and drama ever in SC2 history. (yes it was even better than any of the Jjakji/Leenock games)
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
Utopi
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark176 Posts
December 17 2011 14:52 GMT
#9573
amazing finals , especially the last game !! felt bad for loser-.-
no.
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
December 17 2011 14:54 GMT
#9574
On December 17 2011 23:18 Giriath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2011 23:14 nokz88 wrote:
On December 17 2011 23:05 Giriath wrote:
On December 17 2011 22:56 SetStndbySmn wrote:
errr mistakes don't make a game bad. When good players play each other in a mental game, they induce mistakes, and mma's multitasking is one of the biggest forces that causes players to fall apart in the GSL. It's not hard to appreciate or understand.


I don't consider the last set or the finals bad. It may even well be the best GSL finals ever, with such an amazing come-back situation.

I also don't think it's hard to understand that this was far from a perfect game from either player, though I can see how the tension and excitement of the finals could make one say so.

lemme guess... are you still butthurt about Naniwa? Let it go man, it's clouding your judgement.


Because I'm not of the opinion that this set was perfect, I'm butthurt about NaNiWa? Uh.

See, this is why poking fun at people who call anything perfect is fun; you get all kinds of hilarious retorts, even if you openly agree that it may be the best thing ever.



It was the perfect game, not for it's overall flawless play, but for the drama it created. Couldn't be scripted better than that.
The drama, excitement, tension etc...the storyline, 3-0 into 3-3. Amazing, back and forth final game, incredibly nerve wracking climax, it was the perfect game for me

But obviously everyone is different.

SilverLeagueElite
Profile Joined April 2010
United States626 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-17 14:59:03
December 17 2011 14:57 GMT
#9575
On December 17 2011 23:32 ElephantBaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2011 23:11 SilverLeagueElite wrote:
On December 17 2011 22:35 Graviton wrote:
On December 17 2011 22:33 SeaSwift wrote:
And already, we have some cool guy trying to be hipster by being different and picking apart the finals, saying they were bad.

Probably because he appreciates near-flawless play, rather than sloppy decision making.

A person can nitpick and dis-assemble every game to point out every mistake. Replace MMA & DRG with any two players in the same situations and guess how many mistakes will be made. In any game, it's the person who makes the least mistakes, wins. Especially when 2 people are evenly matched.

If you can actually think of some people could play more 'perfect', makes me wonder why they aren't there.


Even if they are the best players in the world. It doesn't mean they will play every game without mistakes. If amateur players can see possible improvements in their games, they are certainly worth to point out for pros to improve.

You are making my point. Even if you are the best, you will make mistakes. And if your mindset is, 'that was a mediocre game, they make several mistakes', it can be applied to any game. Take any 'perfect' game, put it through analysis and all of the sudden it's mediocre. Then every game is mediocre.

Context...
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
December 17 2011 14:58 GMT
#9576
Omg, what an epic series.
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
Reasonable
Profile Joined September 2010
Ukraine1432 Posts
December 17 2011 14:59 GMT
#9577
DRG
Those were good games, I trust.
boxturtle
Profile Joined December 2011
United States224 Posts
December 17 2011 15:00 GMT
#9578
Of course it wasn't "perfect play" DRG obviously had a meltdown in the middle of that. That made it more epic.

If we had skynet playing perfect sc2 games in front of us, it'd get boring kind of fast.
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-17 15:04:11
December 17 2011 15:01 GMT
#9579
On December 17 2011 23:18 Giriath wrote:

I don't consider the last set or the finals bad. It may even well be the best GSL finals ever, with such an amazing come-back situation.

I also don't think it's hard to understand that this was far from a perfect game from either player, though I can see how the tension and excitement of the finals could make one say so.


In essence you're saying nothing, just so you know. You're arguing that the games were not perfectly played -- that's a fallacy. No one can argue against it. It's a plain truth. You can't argue for a plain truth while attempting to conflate it with something else, such as that the finals were amazing quality.

The finals were "perfect" in people's opinion as spectators. They were not perfect on the basis of perfect execution/macro/micro/decisions/whatever -- why would you even bother attempting to argue that?
Orcasgt24
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada3238 Posts
December 17 2011 15:02 GMT
#9580
On December 17 2011 23:59 Reasonable wrote:
DRG
Those were good games, I trust.

Honestly, it was 6 games of nerd bashing and then game 7 was epic epic epic.

By far the single best game of SC2 played TvZ so far.
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