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On December 17 2011 22:35 Graviton wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 22:33 SeaSwift wrote:
And already, we have some cool guy trying to be hipster by being different and picking apart the finals, saying they were bad. Probably because he appreciates near-flawless play, rather than sloppy decision making.
A person can nitpick and dis-assemble every game to point out every mistake. Replace MMA & DRG with any two players in the same situations and guess how many mistakes will be made. In any game, it's the person who makes the least mistakes, wins. Especially when 2 people are evenly matched.
If you can actually think of some people could play more 'perfect', makes me wonder why they aren't there.
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Does anyone know the GSL song they played during the closing credits?
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On December 17 2011 23:07 clusen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 22:58 Giriath wrote:
I consider Jjakji and MVP's late-game TvZ better than MMA, who almost always tries to win it with relatively few expansions and no ghosts.
As for Zerg, I'd say Leenock's late-game ZvT is better than DRG's, but by a smaller margin than Jjakji and MVP compared to MMA--Leenock also has a habit of engaging with his broodlords at inopportune moments, losing a big lead usually acquired in the mid-game, where he is best. Uhm, no, MMA is the best lategame TvZ'er. Actually he is pretty much the expansion whore between all the players you mentioned and often ends up with the same amount or even more expansions than his Zerg opponents. And you can't just go ghosts in the situation he was in ...you need to be safe for quite some time, which he never was.
MVP and Jjakji both often build three CCs in their main base. MMA often puts on pressure from two-base before getting his third, then takes a long while to set up his forth, preferring to either set up a very good defense or put on more pressure.
MMA was ahead in expansions after forcing the cancel on DRG's fourth, and had a very stellar defense mid-map; he had ample time to research and build ghosts.
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Brazil1253 Posts
On December 17 2011 23:05 Giriath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 22:56 SetStndbySmn wrote:
errr mistakes don't make a game bad. When good players play each other in a mental game, they induce mistakes, and mma's multitasking is one of the biggest forces that causes players to fall apart in the GSL. It's not hard to appreciate or understand. I don't consider the last set or the finals bad. It may even well be the best GSL finals ever, with such an amazing come-back situation. I also don't think it's hard to understand that this was far from a perfect game from either player, though I can see how the tension and excitement of the finals could make one say so.
lemme guess... are you still butthurt about Naniwa? Let it go man, it's clouding your judgement.
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Russian Federation676 Posts
On December 17 2011 23:12 Highways wrote:
Does anyone know the GSL song they played during the closing credits?
go to the previous page and you will see the VOD
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On December 17 2011 22:51 Giriath wrote:Being amused by a community that often harshly and without fail points out mistakes in any match, but not a (finally) good finals between some of the biggest fan-favorites of said community, instead lauding it as the "best match ever" and "perfect". Then poking at it with this amusing fact to see how it responds, for even more amusement. + Show Spoiler +I've had a grin on my face for the past fifteen minutes, and it's not necessarily because the final set satisfied me.
Okay, well he's now admitted he's trolling. We can stop making a discussion with this guy now.
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On December 17 2011 23:14 nokz88 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 23:05 Giriath wrote:On December 17 2011 22:56 SetStndbySmn wrote:
errr mistakes don't make a game bad. When good players play each other in a mental game, they induce mistakes, and mma's multitasking is one of the biggest forces that causes players to fall apart in the GSL. It's not hard to appreciate or understand. I don't consider the last set or the finals bad. It may even well be the best GSL finals ever, with such an amazing come-back situation. I also don't think it's hard to understand that this was far from a perfect game from either player, though I can see how the tension and excitement of the finals could make one say so. lemme guess... are you still butthurt about Naniwa? Let it go man, it's clouding your judgement.
We need some sort of variant of Godwin's law here.
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On December 17 2011 23:16 human_ko wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 23:12 Highways wrote:
Does anyone know the GSL song they played during the closing credits? go to the previous page and you will see the VOD
I means the SC2 artosis/tasteless song.
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On December 17 2011 23:14 nokz88 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 23:05 Giriath wrote:On December 17 2011 22:56 SetStndbySmn wrote:
errr mistakes don't make a game bad. When good players play each other in a mental game, they induce mistakes, and mma's multitasking is one of the biggest forces that causes players to fall apart in the GSL. It's not hard to appreciate or understand. I don't consider the last set or the finals bad. It may even well be the best GSL finals ever, with such an amazing come-back situation. I also don't think it's hard to understand that this was far from a perfect game from either player, though I can see how the tension and excitement of the finals could make one say so. lemme guess... are you still butthurt about Naniwa? Let it go man, it's clouding your judgement.
Because I'm not of the opinion that this set was perfect, I'm butthurt about NaNiWa? Uh.
See, this is why poking fun at people who call anything perfect is fun; you get all kinds of hilarious retorts, even if you openly agree that it may be the best thing ever.
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On December 17 2011 19:08 Garnet wrote:
What if this series has the best game of the year? another award?
Called it before the first game!.
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On December 17 2011 23:10 Termit wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 23:02 Big J wrote:On December 17 2011 22:59 Jehct wrote:On December 17 2011 22:57 Big J wrote:On December 17 2011 22:53 Denzil wrote:On December 17 2011 22:44 Giriath wrote:On December 17 2011 22:30 rushian wrote:On December 17 2011 22:20 Giriath wrote:
DRG doesn't pay attention to his minimap for a whole minute, where a drop is in plain sight. Has to cancel his fourth.
No. It wasn't in plain sight because morphing hatches don't give you vision (I assume based on your obviously superior knowledge you're aware of this). He saw it with his overlords, then saw it move back as if to return home. MMA changed direction and dropped the marines outside of overlord range, where he had sight of the hatch, but DRG did not. He had zerglings there and had vision of one marine, as the observer so kindly showed us. Anyway, I'm intentionally poking fun, and surely it doesn't take "obviously superior knowledge" to admit that DRG running two T3 armies to their death, and MMA not doing anything to further his advantage after canceling the fourth hatch was what made this otherwise great game less than what most of you are saying it is. Where MVP or even Jjakji would have at least either expanded or made ghosts in a three vs three expansions situation like this one, MMA set up his defense and let it sit there until DRG could easily run it over with his T3 army. Then, instead of keeping his Ultras on MMA's side of the map, but outside his bases, and expanding and making a few broodlords/corruptors to kill MMA's third, he split them up, ran up ramps and got them all trapped and killed. Then he made broodlords, and got them all killed too. I agree if MMA was Flash he would of won. But if DRG was Jangbi he would of won instead. Man what a confusing situation. If MMA was Flash he might not even know that he can select more than 12 units... Same goes for Jangbi  And they'd still win =( lol... yeah that's why we see so much SC2 from them. "hey I could make some extra 100k, but you know what... I don't care..." 1. They gotta practice for BW since the skill level is so high they can't afford missing out on practice time. 2. Therefore they can't practice SC2. 3. I think if they play SC2 "officially" or whatever you would call it if they would attend GSL, their progaming license gets suspended?
If not good enough, because they don't practice it it still doesn't change that THEY ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
I'm pretty sure that one out of the over 7 billion people on the world could be better than flash. Hell I would even argue that statistically there are so many of them out there, that noone would even consider flash a top player if they just focused on starcraft. But guess what, they don't. And the same is true for broodwar players and starcraft2.
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On December 17 2011 23:13 Giriath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 23:07 clusen wrote:On December 17 2011 22:58 Giriath wrote:
I consider Jjakji and MVP's late-game TvZ better than MMA, who almost always tries to win it with relatively few expansions and no ghosts.
As for Zerg, I'd say Leenock's late-game ZvT is better than DRG's, but by a smaller margin than Jjakji and MVP compared to MMA--Leenock also has a habit of engaging with his broodlords at inopportune moments, losing a big lead usually acquired in the mid-game, where he is best. Uhm, no, MMA is the best lategame TvZ'er. Actually he is pretty much the expansion whore between all the players you mentioned and often ends up with the same amount or even more expansions than his Zerg opponents. And you can't just go ghosts in the situation he was in ...you need to be safe for quite some time, which he never was. MVP and Jjakji both often build three CCs in their main base. MMA often puts on pressure from two-base before getting his third, then takes a long while to set up his forth, preferring to either set up a very good defense or put on more pressure. MMA was ahead in expansions after forcing the cancel on DRG's fourth, and had a very stellar defense mid-map; he had ample time to research and build ghosts.
MMA was one of the first players to build two really quick orbitals vs Zerg a really long time back, before it stopped becoming popular and only recently became popular again. Back during his first GSTL run.
He did the two quick orbitals build in the last two games today.
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On December 17 2011 23:18 msl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 23:14 nokz88 wrote:On December 17 2011 23:05 Giriath wrote:On December 17 2011 22:56 SetStndbySmn wrote:
errr mistakes don't make a game bad. When good players play each other in a mental game, they induce mistakes, and mma's multitasking is one of the biggest forces that causes players to fall apart in the GSL. It's not hard to appreciate or understand. I don't consider the last set or the finals bad. It may even well be the best GSL finals ever, with such an amazing come-back situation. I also don't think it's hard to understand that this was far from a perfect game from either player, though I can see how the tension and excitement of the finals could make one say so. lemme guess... are you still butthurt about Naniwa? Let it go man, it's clouding your judgement. We need some sort of variant of Godwin's law here.
As SC2 becomes bigger, I hope the lesser players will be weeded out, leaving us only with the clearly superior.
Maybe then we can have perfection.
+ Show Spoiler +Even as a joke, this makes me feel dirty. 
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Guys, any idea how can I re-watch the games? Or is it only available for premium GomTV users? Thanks in advance.
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On December 17 2011 23:25 brunostt wrote:
Guys, any idea how can I re-watch the games? Or is it only available for premium GomTV users? Thanks in advance.
Only premium, I'm afraid.
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this sound funny but this two almost in the same team (read media interview DRG was SlayerS b4 he quit for study)
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On December 17 2011 23:25 brunostt wrote:
Guys, any idea how can I re-watch the games? Or is it only available for premium GomTV users? Thanks in advance.
Only the first game is viewable for not paid users. You can watch it on gomtv.net
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Wait, who won? The results only show 6 games
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On December 17 2011 23:28 Fruscainte wrote:Wait, who won? The results only show 6 games
+ Show Spoiler +
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EPT
