EPTDude... If you're gonna answer someone you really should give them an honest and truthful answer. There is so much more to say than just "probe rush".
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ellirc
Sweden3286 Posts
Dude... If you're gonna answer someone you really should give them an honest and truthful answer. There is so much more to say than just "probe rush". | ||
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b0rt_
Norway931 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:25 ellirc wrote: Dude... If you're gonna answer someone you really should give them an honest and truthful answer. There is so much more to say than just "probe rush". can someone please explain what happened  | ||
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nvrs
Greece481 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:47 Fionn wrote: Polt is 7-2 versus MMA. MMA played better than Polt that game. Polt played better than MMA the first game. Polt has historically played better when the two have faced off. And yes, there was luck in the builds. MMA got vikings. Polt went cloaked banshees. The result? All of Polt's banshees die instantly and do nothing. If MMA doesn't get vikings, Polt gets SCV's and gets an early lead. But every game has luck involved with build orders. What??? Vikings are the defacto thing to make when playing safe / siege expand and are a perfect counter to banshees and...vikings. It's one of the safest way to play, Banshee on the other hand is a bit of a gamble. | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
Not much happened. Naniwa just probe rushed a game which shouldn't have been played in the first place. It was a disrespectful act, but the game shouldn't have had to be played. Go read Morrows post in the previous page. Sums it up. | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:27 nvrs wrote: What??? Vikings are the defacto thing to make when playing safe / siege expand and are a perfect counter to banshees and...vikings. It's one of the safest way to play, Banshee on the other hand is a bit of a gamble. the guy before you bascially says "whoever builds a cloak banshee has an early lead" if you think about it for a moment :D not the smartest choice of words | ||
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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
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darkest44
United States1009 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:30 Nikon wrote: Is there a VOD of Naniwa's last game vs Nestea somewhere? I really, really need to see it. eh, http://i.imgur.com/Vb0yn.gif here's the whole game. Nothing to see really that 1 sentence doesn't describe. | ||
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wklbishop
United States1286 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:29 KalWarkov wrote: the guy before you bascially says "whoever builds a cloak banshee has an early lead" if you think about it for a moment :D not the smartest choice of words No he didn't. He stated the build was hard countered because MMA decided to go for that build in the first place. If MMA decided to play Risky, Polt would've severely punish MMA. | ||
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:28 pdd wrote: Not much happened. Naniwa just probe rushed a game which shouldn't have been played in the first place. It was a disrespectful act, but the game shouldn't have had to be played. Go read Morrows post in the previous page. Sums it up. You shouldnt call it probe rush. He a move the probes. Clumped them all together and let the drones get full surround. No probe micro at all. It was basically i dont care moment. | ||
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arChieSC2
Spain162 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:16 darkest44 wrote: Idk maybe because with bo1 today's cast lasted 5 hours and if it was bo3 group stage then it woulda been 10-15 hours which gom never does and would be quite painful for the players and casters..? They wanted to do group play because this is supposed to be the best players of 2011 and it's nice to see them all play each other to see who is the most well rounded rather than just a standard bracket where you only need to beat 3 people to win the whole tournament with a player pool this small, not to mention it wouldn't work with 10 players, you'd need 8 or 16. Sure bo3 woulda been ideal but it's just a short tournament to end the year and you can't have it all, appreciate what you get. did you know if you use double or triple the time u dont have to make it all in 1 day? just telling.. I can agree its short time, and they wanted to show the best players in 2011 to show their skill but as i said... in bo1 u can even lose to a 6pool.. i just see it bad in terms of competition and bad in terms of show | ||
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nvrs
Greece481 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:15 MorroW wrote: because both were out of the tournament the game didnt matter. why do they even have the game in the first place? its kinda silly because both players have no reason to fight their hardest or show potential secret builds he probably wasnt allowed to give walkover so he just did whatever ended the game the quickest do you guys really wanna watch 2 guys play a casual game during GSL blizzard cup where neither of them cares about winning? im not saying what naniwa did was right or wrong, or manner or bad manner. im just saying i think the system should allow for walkovers if they players request it if the game has no meaning This post shows that many esports persons, including players and fans are different from their regular sports counterparts. To any other sport, the fans always demand from any team/player to give their 100% for the win no matter if the outcome has any real consequences to the a tourney / league. Anytime the opposite happens, its always heavily criticized. It's very important for everyone to understand that there is an effort to make a sport out of this thing, which also means among other things that there are professional players who are getting paid for playing. Ultimately you are getting paid to play because some others are paying and when you do that you are in the show bis, you have to put up a show. What Naniwa did and you imply is perfectly fine is a deeply antisocial behaviour in the e-sports context. | ||
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gTank
Austria2566 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:15 MorroW wrote: because both were out of the tournament the game didnt matter. why do they even have the game in the first place? its kinda silly because both players have no reason to fight their hardest or show potential secret builds he probably wasnt allowed to give walkover so he just did whatever ended the game the quickest do you guys really wanna watch 2 guys play a casual game during GSL blizzard cup where neither of them cares about winning? im not saying what naniwa did was right or wrong, or manner or bad manner. im just saying i think the system should allow for walkovers if they players request it if the game has no meaning if it had no meaning, why would nestea prepare for it so much beforehand? it simply was a game lots of fans were looking forward to and got disappointed...and they have the right to point that out. | ||
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Anton K
Sweden277 Posts
So by the looks of it he probe rushed in a game that had no meaning what so ever and that's it. People are going apeshit and koreans are making mean tweets. I really thought he had said fuck you and thrown a computer to the ground or something but a probe rush? Really? This makes people that upset? | ||
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
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Xanthopsia
Australia41 Posts
I have been a really big fan of Naniwa since I got into the professional scene around a year or a little less ago. I adore him, along with Sase and Huk and though I will watch any Starcraft whenever I can, I show a particular interest in these three (and yes, I do play Protoss  ).I tuned in today really excited to see Naniwa have another crack in Korea after his disappointing and slightly unlucky performance in the Code S November Ro32 and was really optimistic about his chances. I was on the edge of my seat when he played that first game against Leenock which, I think with a little better decision making (which will hopefully come with his training in the StarTale house) could have won that game. He was also unlucky, in my eyes at least, to lose to Polt after holding the 2 rax pressure and probably over-committing to his counter-attack and I can absolutely understand his frustration when MMA pulled off that slightly cheesey Thor all-in on Calm Before The Storm, a map which I would like to think it'd be manner to both fast-expand and play a long macro game as that is what the map is designed for, but I am realistic and realise that is never really going to happen unless we bring in the 'novice maps' from Practice league. I was so frustrated for Nani after these three games and I have no idea how he would have been feeling himself. When he was about to play Nestea I was pretty apprehensive for him to come back and win the big grudge match against Nestea and I won't lie, I was pretty shocked and disappointed when he probe rushed, and I can understand where the anger and reaction that I anticipated is coming from but I really want people to try and put themselves in Naniwa's shoes. If you have had your dreams in Korea crushed multiple times, come back after improving so much, and to lose those first three games when Nani could quite easily been 3 - 0, I think you would also not feel like playing a game that meant nothing and do something like that if you were forced to play. tl;dr - Slightly disappointed by what Nani did but can completely understand and I really think we should put ourselves in the shoes of these guys before we criticise. Also really excited for Naniwa in 2012 because he's improvement is so obvious and he almost won those first three games, and I for one will still be supporting him from Down-under until he finally wins that GSL title and beyond | ||
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ellirc
Sweden3286 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:45 Anton K wrote: I totally forgot about Blizz cup and it seems Naniwa managed to again stir up a shitstorm. So by the looks of it he probe rushed in a game that had no meaning what so ever and that's it. People are going apeshit and koreans are making mean tweets. I really thought he had said fuck you and thrown a computer to the ground or something but a probe rush? Really? This makes people that upset? You have understood correctly. That's really what happened... Amazing isn't it? | ||
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Lasbike
France2888 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:47 sixfour wrote: Really? All but one game is recommended? Come on. If this actually was the GOAT day of SC2 then I take this back, but that's kind of silly, the whole point of those polls is for people who can't watch live (like me) don't have the time to watch vods of everything (also like me) to be able to see at a glance what to watch. Either people need to start voting more sensibly in these, or it needs to go back to the OP just giving a rating (maybe out of 5) and a quick summary. There is a "%" right near the YES. It means "percentage". Just take the first 3 highest "YES" percentage. Hop, problem solved. | ||
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SolidMustard
France1515 Posts
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nvrs
Greece481 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:45 gTank wrote: if it had no meaning, why would nestea prepare for it so much beforehand? it simply was a game lots of fans were looking forward to and got disappointed...and they have the right to point that out. Couldn't agree more. I am so pissed off at people acting as if nothing happened when this whole thing supposedly takes place for the fans, the people who pay for this stuff. If pro players have a problem with pleasing the fans, they may as well go play tourneys in their private LAN parties, where the award will be a 6pack of beers or somethings... :rolleyes: | ||
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danielbe
Colombia24 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:45 Anton K wrote: I totally forgot about Blizz cup and it seems Naniwa managed to again stir up a shitstorm. So by the looks of it he probe rushed in a game that had no meaning what so ever and that's it. People are going apeshit and koreans are making mean tweets. I really thought he had said fuck you and thrown a computer to the ground or something but a probe rush? Really? This makes people that upset? As most people before you have said, it's not the fact that the game didn't matter, it's just that YOU'RE ON TV, you're supposed to make a show of it, that's what they pay you to do, and that's what the fans are paying to watch. I bet you don't pay for the gsl ticket, so you don't feel robbed by this kid at all. The point stands, that what he did was deeply unrespectful towards both his fans (and nestea's fans) and the people that pay to see him in korea a.k.a Complexity, before that Quantic, and I just can't wait to see this guy teamless... There's a difference between having an attitude (like Idra, which gives him so much marketing value), and having maturity problems... this attitude is just really immature, and he doesn't understand, or doesn't want to understand, that his JOB is to play scII... he can't do this kind of things, it's like telling your boss you don't want to do his stupid work, because you think it's pointless... good luck with that. Last thing: it's on tv... people pay to watch this... there can't be walkovers, or if there were, the player or team should pay a hefty sum of money as a penalty (like in real sports). | ||
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