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Medrea
10003 Posts
On December 07 2011 18:36 DrakeFZX3 wrote: Why would you expo when you scout Nexus first and two gas? Huk was asking to be punished for incredibly greedy play Im sorry are you asking me this question? I didnt say any player should do anything, at all. I am lost. I was responding to some other guy. Misclick? | ||
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Jim7
United States154 Posts
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Kfcnoob
United States296 Posts
and also perhaps huk expected keen to not do a similar helion build 2 games in a row thus, nexus first? (since it owns 111) | ||
Porcelina
United Kingdom3249 Posts
On December 07 2011 18:34 Ranir wrote: HuK plays 12 hours a day, hes a hard trainer. Do you think it's the first time he's going nexus first? He probably played over 100 games doing nexus first just to prepare for this match, he planed to do that with what ever he was going to face. It's not like he didn't scout the gaz. It's just a meta game change and it's fine with that. I find it very hard that, if he has done this build even remotely close to 100 times against a practice partner, that he has never been hard countered to the high heavens. I mean, on a two player map (or whatever if the map has fixed spawn positions), I just cannot imagine how you hold off what a Terran would do to rush you off a Nexus first. I guess perhaps on long maps, but rush distance on Dual Sight is not that long. | ||
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NeoLearner
Belgium1847 Posts
EDIT: I'm going to work a bit. Be back later for MKP Vs BoXer. Don't really know what to expect from that  | ||
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tztztz
Germany314 Posts
no, it was not a build order loss | ||
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Reaper9
United States1724 Posts
On December 07 2011 18:37 Drazerk wrote: Yeah please don't balance whine, caster QQ etc etc This. Keep it civil, I'm wary too, already detecting signs of annoyance. On that note, Huk really needs to be more careful with his probes. Unless he gets a good angle, those probes were just there to die. | ||
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Tchado
Jordan1831 Posts
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jeffvip
211 Posts
On December 07 2011 18:34 pepperman wrote: Am I the only one that saw the silhouette of a command center in Huk's base? you are not the only 1, me too | ||
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dmnum
Brazil6910 Posts
WHERE IS THE CEREMONY? | ||
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hasuterrans
United States614 Posts
Not really. You're implying that anytime one player scouts the other, reacts and then wins its a build order loss. Now if Keen hadn't scouted the nexus and went reactor hellion i'd agree with you. | ||
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Russano
United States434 Posts
and of course Keen all ins, if you go for a heavy 1 base strat, and the protoss comes out wtih Nexus first, do you know how you beat it? Attack it. Know how you don't? Late expansion. Mass hellions has always been very strong against Nexus first, because if you don't figure out that many hellions are coming your not prepared. If you know more then 4 hellions are coming its easy to stop. Keen was just prepared for what Huk had, plain and simple, don't try to dress it up as something it isn't. | ||
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Lorch
Germany3702 Posts
Oh well still up/downs left, I get nerd chills just when I'm thinking about all the insanely good players in those this season. | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On December 07 2011 18:37 supdubdup wrote: Was this just one single factory making double hellions? All that was needed since HuK had absolutely no units. Was painful watching him have to pull all his probes because he had absolutely nothing to defend what was a rather small push. | ||
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Fragile51
Netherlands15767 Posts
On December 07 2011 18:38 NeoLearner wrote: Nexus first is punished hard by these fast hellions. What econ-build would've/might've worked for HuK? Forge FE or did he need 1 gate core? Forge FE doesn't work against terran, 1 gate FE might have worked better. | ||
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CrumpetGuvnor
Australia302 Posts
On December 07 2011 18:35 Medrea wrote: No expo, so I guess I should just say 1 base timing attacks. better? it was an all in, but reactionary. he punished a greedy opener, who could blame him. his play wasnt cheap, it was smart | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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Ranir
413 Posts
On December 07 2011 18:37 supdubdup wrote: Was this just one single factory making double hellions? yes, no1 goes 2 factory on 1 base. | ||
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Fenrisulf
United States325 Posts
On December 07 2011 18:35 Vindicare605 wrote: Yet another Protoss who has apparently never watched a single game of TvZ. There's nothing all in at all about this opening against a Nexus/Hatchery first. It's standard to open with hellion/marine against Zerg what makes opening against Protoss any different? Neither of those builds were all in. Easily able to be transitioned out of. It's standard to open hellion and expand. Not so standard to open hellion into banshee marine tank raven. You do not 'transition out' of that build. You can argue game 2 was not all in but game 1 was not standard pressure | ||
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CodeskyE
United States777 Posts
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