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nufcrulz
Profile Joined February 2010
Singapore934 Posts
December 07 2011 09:37 GMT
#561
and so ends my gsl experience for this season .

wait actually there's still hope in the up and down matches! two more foreigners!
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
December 07 2011 09:37 GMT
#562
On December 07 2011 18:35 Seeker wrote:
Guys....

Me and Drazerk, and other people who can report

WILL NOT HESITATE TO REPORT!!!

I'm not having this. MLG and DH fall in to a complete shit storm

DO NOT BALANCE WHINE IN HERE!!


Yeah please don't balance whine, caster QQ etc etc
Mios
Profile Joined April 2010
United States686 Posts
December 07 2011 09:37 GMT
#563
guess its possible to defend, but you gotta sac probes and robo and get 3 early gates and 2 EARLY sentries
when hellions come forcefield the ramp and buy time for 2 warpins of stalkers, immediately robo after the hellions die or leave to have detection/immortals in time for a 1-1-1.
no LAN and intercontinental bnet = T_T
ElephantBaby
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1365 Posts
December 07 2011 09:37 GMT
#564
On December 07 2011 18:34 Bayyne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 18:34 Ezkaton wrote:
What in the actual fuck just happened in those 2 games? I'm a huk fan but i gotta say well played by keen just punishing a greedy opening and doing what he had to do.


Build order loss, plain and simple.


That's not build order loss. 2 rax against nexus first is a build order loss. That's a responsive strategy. Just like in BW, if you see nexus first, pull 3 or 4 scvs and go kill the nexus, it is very standard.
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
December 07 2011 09:37 GMT
#565
Looked like Huk just gave up.
I am not young enough to know everything.
-YoricK-
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States477 Posts
December 07 2011 09:37 GMT
#566
Lesson: Nexus first into robo with double gas is insanely greedy. He only had a zealot and 2 stalkers with 1 gate at like 5:30. I think the robo is necessary because cloak banshee can punish you but I think Huk could have held with more units.
Ezkaton
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Japan416 Posts
December 07 2011 09:37 GMT
#567
On December 07 2011 18:36 Ryncol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 18:34 Bayyne wrote:
On December 07 2011 18:34 Ezkaton wrote:
What in the actual fuck just happened in those 2 games? I'm a huk fan but i gotta say well played by keen just punishing a greedy opening and doing what he had to do.


Build order loss, plain and simple.

It was fine on Antiga, but doing the exact same thing on Dual Sight was kinda dumb, I think.



Yeah i really can't think of a much worse map to nexus first on other than dual sight. Disappointed by that series. Hopefully the Boxer vs Marineking match makes up for it in awesomeness ^^
supdubdup
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States916 Posts
December 07 2011 09:37 GMT
#568
Was this just one single factory making double hellions?
Turn it Up
Lord_J
Profile Joined April 2011
Kenya1085 Posts
December 07 2011 09:37 GMT
#569
On December 07 2011 18:36 Bayyne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 18:36 Teoita wrote:
On December 07 2011 18:34 Bayyne wrote:
On December 07 2011 18:34 Ezkaton wrote:
What in the actual fuck just happened in those 2 games? I'm a huk fan but i gotta say well played by keen just punishing a greedy opening and doing what he had to do.


Build order loss, plain and simple.


It wasn't a build order loss. It was Keen scouting that Huk was being insanely greedy and punishing it, pure and simple.


Still a build order loss.


Your opponent seeing your build, reacting to it, and then killing you is not a build order loss.
No relation to Monsieur J.
Gigel
Profile Joined November 2010
Romania92 Posts
December 07 2011 09:37 GMT
#570
On December 07 2011 18:35 K3Nyy wrote:
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On December 07 2011 18:33 MayorITC wrote:
On December 07 2011 18:33 mcmartini wrote:
So dissapointed with both Keen and Huk. Keen for allin'ing twice and Huk for not being more safe :/


How is that an all-in...


Lol, everyone's been calling every build that doesn't involve an expansion by 5 mins an allin these days.


Don't forget 1-1-1
dapierow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Serbia1316 Posts
December 07 2011 09:37 GMT
#571
On December 07 2011 18:36 Bayyne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 18:36 Teoita wrote:
On December 07 2011 18:34 Bayyne wrote:
On December 07 2011 18:34 Ezkaton wrote:
What in the actual fuck just happened in those 2 games? I'm a huk fan but i gotta say well played by keen just punishing a greedy opening and doing what he had to do.


Build order loss, plain and simple.


It wasn't a build order loss. It was Keen scouting that Huk was being insanely greedy and punishing it, pure and simple.


Still a build order loss.


No its not, it was a huk being greedy loss
Eat.Sleep.Starcraft 2
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16124 Posts
December 07 2011 09:37 GMT
#572
On December 07 2011 18:35 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 18:33 ElephantBaby wrote:
On December 07 2011 18:32 Medrea wrote:
On December 07 2011 18:31 supdubdup wrote:
Hey...what just happened...lol.


2 single base allins from terran. One of them protoss went nexus first on a 2 player map for some reason.


That's not allin at all.


No expo, so I guess I should just say 1 base timing attacks. better?


That works better but even then.

Reactored hellion pressure into Marine/Tank push would be better. You know... WHAT EVERY TERRAN DOES TO ZERG EVERY GAME!

It doesn't get anymore standard than that.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Neelia
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany599 Posts
December 07 2011 09:37 GMT
#573
On December 07 2011 18:33 Breach_hu wrote:
this nexus first with double gas is pretty terrible againts almost everything different than 1rax gasless FE.


And he even scouted the 13 gas from Keen in both games, weird to continue with that build
Ranir
Profile Joined June 2011
413 Posts
December 07 2011 09:37 GMT
#574
On December 07 2011 18:34 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 18:33 Krossfire wrote:
wow so hellions are pretty good eh

funny how more terrans are treating TvP like TvZ and very harass based...toss players need to switch up


or not be super greedy, those were greedy builds and he hard countered cloak banshee both times which never came. It was a totally reactionary response.

I hope that you're kiding about the cloak banshee... People have to think whenever they talk about meta game like that. How many times do you think HuK did a nexus first vs Terran just to prepare vs this match? You really think that a build that he practiced sooo much would get hard counter by cloak banshee? Why the hell would he go Nexus first if he knew something so easy as cloak banshee would hard counter it? it obviously doesn't.. you can have a robo and an obs in time. Just think whenever you say stuff about a meta game, these guys play hundred and hundred of games with the same strat.
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-07 09:38:37
December 07 2011 09:38 GMT
#575
On December 07 2011 18:34 Pajegetc wrote:
Scumbag Foreigners

Wants to see more Foreigners in GSL

Bashes the only Foreign player in GSL

Standard TL forums.


To be honest, Huk deserves to be called... (I'll skip that word because of moderation) because he played the same ridiculously greedy bo 2 games in a row and that was an important match to get his Code S back.
HitMonkie
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia518 Posts
December 07 2011 09:38 GMT
#576
On December 07 2011 18:35 sunman1g wrote:
im sorry but who the hell is satouri ?


Stephano = Satouri
Pipeline
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1673 Posts
December 07 2011 09:38 GMT
#577
On December 07 2011 18:32 Deshkar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 18:31 Obaten wrote:
*Yawn* one base allins are pretty good



I think HuK was being way too greedy with a Nexus First, into Tech, especially after losing a early high aggression 1 base play the first game. He's basically gambling that it won't happen again, which did, after Keen scouted.


Why Huk went Nexus first against a terran on a 2 player map is beyond me. If he just did a standard 3 gate 1 robo expand (or even a 1 gate 1 robo) he could have held against any hellion push.
dapierow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Serbia1316 Posts
December 07 2011 09:38 GMT
#578
On December 07 2011 18:36 blooblooblahblah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 18:35 Vindicare605 wrote:
On December 07 2011 18:33 mcmartini wrote:
So dissapointed with both Keen and Huk. Keen for allin'ing twice and Huk for not being more safe :/


Yet another Protoss who has apparently never watched a single game of TvZ.

There's nothing all in at all about this opening against a Nexus/Hatchery first. It's standard to open with hellion/marine against Zerg what makes opening against Protoss any different?

Neither of those builds were all in. Easily able to be transitioned out of.


Are you trolling?


Are you?
Eat.Sleep.Starcraft 2
brachester
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia1786 Posts
December 07 2011 09:38 GMT
#579
On December 07 2011 18:34 Pajegetc wrote:
Scumbag Foreigners

Wants to see more Foreigners in GSL

Bashes the only Foreign player in GSL

Standard TL forums.

I'm not gonna say he deserve to be bashed but he deserves to be critizied for his poor play
I hate all this singing
softan
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden113 Posts
December 07 2011 09:38 GMT
#580
It was definetly not an all in. People call everything that isn't 8 bases all ins nowadays. He didn't pull any scvs, his economy was fine he could put up a cc any time during that attack. Sure he'd be behind if he didn't do any damage at all but only because huk does what is pretty much an economical cheese, it's smart to do something agressive against a nexus first opening or you'll be left in the dust either way.
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