EPTAlso MKP picture in OP made me laugh my ass off. Ty dude lol
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Jisall
United States2054 Posts
Also MKP picture in OP made me laugh my ass off. Ty dude lol | ||
CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On December 08 2011 05:36 QTIP. wrote: OK last post for this topic (not because I'm fed up with you or anything, but I'm moving on) If HuK is also fringe Code S/Code A - same as Keen - then why would he play with such lack of confidence as you assume? That is my point. HuK has a SHOT against Keen. A good shot too in my opinion. I pointed out fatigue because you hinted at HuK having to travel, and I don't see how it can't factor into the points you mentioned about being under prepared and lacking on practice (due to travel). No lack of preparation of / lack of confidence explains going Nexus first twice against a player who has just demonstrated to you that you will build order lose, assuming they execute the exact same build. (on Dual Sight as well). That is simply a bad decision. Going back to your very original point in your post regarding "Did anyone expect HuK to win?" Yes, lots of people expected HuK to win and for good reason. Two similarly tiered players (as you say) in the GSL going head to head. That alone makes it a competitive match. I'm not sure why you keep insisting that Keen's TvP is particularly strong. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/players/2242_Keen/games Wins: - Tassadar (out of GSL) - Inca (weak PvT) - Banbans (out of GSL) - JYP (weak PvT) - Tester (out of GSL) Pair this information with a recent loss to Hongun, and Oz and you have very inconclusive information. I'm not particularly impressed by Keen's TvP, and Huk's PvT is one of his better match ups. So yes, I expected HuK to win, and for good reason. kk Obviously HuK would have had a shot if he had played more conservatively, like going 1 gate nexus into 3 gate. But you have to think about what the situation looks like from HuK's POV, and I'm pretty confident in saying that it looked like my previous post. Fatigue from travel would only matter if he had a day or so to recover. I was more concerned about the effect constant traveling would have on his mechanics and his flexibility. It certainly looks like his flexibility suffered. Those aren't necessarily good reasons because circumstances are always changing and you have to take into account all the factors that influence a certain match. A good example would be Ryung vs Brown. If you only judge by approximate skill level then Ryung would be the clear winner. But if you take into account Ryung's shaky TvP and that Brown has a lot more info on Ryung than vice/versa, you could predict the "upset." You could do the same thing for HuK vs HasuObs, Jjakji vs Leenock, Seiplo's group at Dramhack, San's success in GSL March, or any unexpected upset. Most of them are actually foreseeable if you know what information is relevant to the series. Descriptions of matchups run roughly along this ranking (alliteration for the win!): Bad = loses to everybody regardless of approximate skill level (JYP's PvT) Ok = ~50% W/L ratio against opponents who are roughly the same skill level (Lucky's ZvT) Inconsistent = beats opponents who are "better" and loses to opponents who are "worse" (HongUn PvT) Strong = consistently beats opponents who are "worse" and often loses to opponents who are "better/inconsistent"(Keen TvP) Amazing = consistently beats opponents who are all of the above (Nestea's ZvZ, Polt's former TvP, Inca's PvP) HuK's PvT record looks better if you count his international success. But by nature this artificially inflates his winning percentage since he's playing against worse opponents. His Korean PvT has been meh so far. P.S. You're confusing Inca's PvZ with his PvT. The latter has always been decent (wonky openers + somewhat uncertain mid-game + strong late-game). | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On December 08 2011 01:23 noddy wrote: To be fair, MarineKing gave Boxer Game 2 after completely destroying him for most of the game. It should have been 2-0. "To be fair?" I sense a double standard here. If MKP gave BoxeR game 2 after completely destroying him for most of the game then the reverse can be said about game 3. I know that you want to perceive things to fit your preconceived notion that MKP should have destroyed BoxeR, but the fact of the matter is this that their series was a damn close one in which many mistakes and great plays alike were made by both sides. | ||
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noddy
United Kingdom927 Posts
On December 08 2011 06:11 HolyArrow wrote: "To be fair?" I sense a double standard here. If MKP gave BoxeR game 2 after completely destroying him for most of the game then the reverse can be said about game 3. I know that you want to perceive things to fit your preconceived notion that MKP should have destroyed BoxeR, but the fact of the matter is this that their series was a damn close one in which many mistakes and great plays alike were made by both sides. What I'm saying is the same people who think MarineKing didn't deserve to win need to pull their heads out of their asses and realise, if they're going by "what if" there never should have been a Game 3. | ||
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Elurie
4716 Posts
On December 08 2011 04:27 tuho12345 wrote: Too bad they don't have code A final. The code A finals have been always better than code S finals. Hmm it would have to be the most epic Code A finals ever, to top this November's Code S finals. | ||
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