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dapierow
Serbia1316 Posts
On December 07 2011 18:38 NeoLearner wrote: Nexus first is punished hard by these fast hellions. What econ-build would've/might've worked for HuK? Forge FE or did he need 1 gate core? a 1 gate expand would have been so much better, he would have had twice as many stalkers out | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On December 07 2011 18:37 Ranir wrote: I hope that you're kiding about the cloak banshee... People have to think whenever they talk about meta game like that. How many times do you think HuK did a nexus first vs Terran just to prepare vs this match? You really think that a build that he practiced sooo much would get hard counter by cloak banshee? Why the hell would he go Nexus first if he knew something so easy as cloak banshee would hard counter it? it obviously doesn't.. you can have a robo and an obs in time. Just think whenever you say stuff about a meta game, these guys play hundred and hundred of games with the same strat. You are an idiot. I said that his build was tailored to DEFEND against cloak banshees and not hellion pushes. He had the right idea, he obviously hadnt seen the react hellion in practice much, because he wasnt ready for it either time. The only thing you can fault me for is that I was vague enough to not add "Keen" at the end of the last sentence. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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namste
Finland2292 Posts
On December 07 2011 18:39 CrumpetGuvnor wrote: it was an all in, but reactionary. he punished a greedy opener, who could blame him. his play wasnt cheap, it was smart Game 1 was an all in, game 2 wasn't. | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38149 Posts
On December 07 2011 18:37 supdubdup wrote: Was this just one single factory making double hellions? Yeah, it was just a reactor fact with a rax making marauders + conc shells as far as I could see? | ||
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Quotidian
Norway1937 Posts
you're assuming it was coinflippy and that Keen didn't react to scouting Huk's nexus first | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
I don't get it I was just saying what happened to some guy for LR's sake. | ||
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CrumpetGuvnor
Australia302 Posts
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DrakeFZX3
United States925 Posts
On December 07 2011 18:38 Medrea wrote: Im sorry are you asking me this question? I didnt say any player should do anything, at all. I am lost. I was responding to some other guy. Misclick? No misclick I was indeed talking to you. Just because you don't see an expo does not mean it's an All-in or some sort of 1 base timing attack. Keen saw what Huk was doing and reacted to it. Simple as that. | ||
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Bayyne
United States1967 Posts
Taken from Liquipedia: Build Order Win or Build Order Loss: When a player wins or loses not from skill or strategy but from a build order which hard counters the opponent's build order. Do I really need to explain what keen did in those two games to hard counter Huk's opening? Are you really going to argue this? lolol | ||
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K3Nyy
United States1961 Posts
On December 07 2011 18:37 ElephantBaby wrote: That's not build order loss. 2 rax against nexus first is a build order loss. That's a responsive strategy. Just like in BW, if you see nexus first, pull 3 or 4 scvs and go kill the nexus, it is very standard. Reactored Hellions vs Nexus first is a BO loss. There's no way to ever keep the probes alive because Stalkers need like 7 or 8 shots to kill a Hellion. You're never going to have enough units to kill the Hellions or MM. | ||
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
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Ruscour
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IMPrime
United States715 Posts
On December 07 2011 18:37 Lord_J wrote: Your opponent seeing your build, reacting to it, and then killing you is not a build order loss. well, it's more the fact that once the marine pops out, the toss is playing in the dark for a long time. The toss can't really adapt his nexus first build into something else, while the terran can change his plan once he sees the FE. Still, going nexus first on dual sight is REALLY risky. I believe even a 1gate FE is a decent enough counter to 1/1/1 while doing a little better against various other 1base pushes like 2rax pressure. | ||
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Rykros
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NeilSC
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figq
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Speake
United States494 Posts
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dmnum
Brazil6910 Posts
On December 07 2011 18:39 Asha` wrote: Yeah, it was just a reactor fact with a rax making marauders + conc shells as far as I could see? Yeap it was 1 Rax/Fact hellion marauder push | ||
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Inhumane
Canada145 Posts
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Loomies
United States645 Posts
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