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dapierow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Serbia1316 Posts
December 07 2011 09:39 GMT
#601
On December 07 2011 18:38 NeoLearner wrote:
Nexus first is punished hard by these fast hellions. What econ-build would've/might've worked for HuK? Forge FE or did he need 1 gate core?


a 1 gate expand would have been so much better, he would have had twice as many stalkers out
Eat.Sleep.Starcraft 2
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-07 09:41:57
December 07 2011 09:39 GMT
#602
On December 07 2011 18:37 Ranir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 18:34 Rebs wrote:
On December 07 2011 18:33 Krossfire wrote:
wow so hellions are pretty good eh

funny how more terrans are treating TvP like TvZ and very harass based...toss players need to switch up


or not be super greedy, those were greedy builds and he hard countered cloak banshee both times which never came. It was a totally reactionary response.

I hope that you're kiding about the cloak banshee... People have to think whenever they talk about meta game like that. How many times do you think HuK did a nexus first vs Terran just to prepare vs this match? You really think that a build that he practiced sooo much would get hard counter by cloak banshee? Why the hell would he go Nexus first if he knew something so easy as cloak banshee would hard counter it? it obviously doesn't.. you can have a robo and an obs in time. Just think whenever you say stuff about a meta game, these guys play hundred and hundred of games with the same strat.


You are an idiot. I said that his build was tailored to DEFEND against cloak banshees and not hellion pushes. He had the right idea, he obviously hadnt seen the react hellion in practice much, because he wasnt ready for it either time.

The only thing you can fault me for is that I was vague enough to not add "Keen" at the end of the last sentence.

User was temp banned for this post.
namste
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland2292 Posts
December 07 2011 09:39 GMT
#603
On December 07 2011 18:39 CrumpetGuvnor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 18:35 Medrea wrote:
On December 07 2011 18:33 ElephantBaby wrote:
On December 07 2011 18:32 Medrea wrote:
On December 07 2011 18:31 supdubdup wrote:
Hey...what just happened...lol.


2 single base allins from terran. One of them protoss went nexus first on a 2 player map for some reason.


That's not allin at all.


No expo, so I guess I should just say 1 base timing attacks. better?

it was an all in, but reactionary. he punished a greedy opener, who could blame him. his play wasnt cheap, it was smart


Game 1 was an all in, game 2 wasn't.
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Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38255 Posts
December 07 2011 09:39 GMT
#604
On December 07 2011 18:37 supdubdup wrote:
Was this just one single factory making double hellions?


Yeah, it was just a reactor fact with a rax making marauders + conc shells as far as I could see?
Quotidian
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1937 Posts
December 07 2011 09:39 GMT
#605
On December 07 2011 18:34 Bayyne wrote:
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On December 07 2011 18:34 Ezkaton wrote:
What in the actual fuck just happened in those 2 games? I'm a huk fan but i gotta say well played by keen just punishing a greedy opening and doing what he had to do.


Build order loss, plain and simple.



you're assuming it was coinflippy and that Keen didn't react to scouting Huk's nexus first
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
December 07 2011 09:40 GMT
#606
Why are people responding to me like I called HuK retarded or Keen cheesy or something >.<

I don't get it I was just saying what happened to some guy for LR's sake.
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CrumpetGuvnor
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia302 Posts
December 07 2011 09:40 GMT
#607
maybe more sentries instead of stalkers would have helped huks build? rely on micro and wait until his 2nd and 3rd gates get up
DrakeFZX3
Profile Joined October 2010
United States925 Posts
December 07 2011 09:40 GMT
#608
On December 07 2011 18:38 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 18:36 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
On December 07 2011 18:35 Medrea wrote:
On December 07 2011 18:33 ElephantBaby wrote:
On December 07 2011 18:32 Medrea wrote:
On December 07 2011 18:31 supdubdup wrote:
Hey...what just happened...lol.


2 single base allins from terran. One of them protoss went nexus first on a 2 player map for some reason.


That's not allin at all.


No expo, so I guess I should just say 1 base timing attacks. better?


Why would you expo when you scout Nexus first and two gas? Huk was asking to be punished for incredibly greedy play


Im sorry are you asking me this question? I didnt say any player should do anything, at all. I am lost. I was responding to some other guy. Misclick?


No misclick I was indeed talking to you. Just because you don't see an expo does not mean it's an All-in or some sort of 1 base timing attack. Keen saw what Huk was doing and reacted to it. Simple as that.
Bayyne
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1967 Posts
December 07 2011 09:40 GMT
#609
On December 07 2011 18:38 tztztz wrote:
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On December 07 2011 18:34 Bayyne wrote:
On December 07 2011 18:34 Ezkaton wrote:
What in the actual fuck just happened in those 2 games? I'm a huk fan but i gotta say well played by keen just punishing a greedy opening and doing what he had to do.


Build order loss, plain and simple.


no, it was not a build order loss


Taken from Liquipedia:

Build Order Win or Build Order Loss:
When a player wins or loses not from skill or strategy but from a build order which hard counters the opponent's build order.

Do I really need to explain what keen did in those two games to hard counter Huk's opening? Are you really going to argue this? lolol
Remember not only to say the right thing in the right place, but far more difficult still, to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
K3Nyy
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1961 Posts
December 07 2011 09:40 GMT
#610
On December 07 2011 18:37 ElephantBaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 18:34 Bayyne wrote:
On December 07 2011 18:34 Ezkaton wrote:
What in the actual fuck just happened in those 2 games? I'm a huk fan but i gotta say well played by keen just punishing a greedy opening and doing what he had to do.


Build order loss, plain and simple.


That's not build order loss. 2 rax against nexus first is a build order loss. That's a responsive strategy. Just like in BW, if you see nexus first, pull 3 or 4 scvs and go kill the nexus, it is very standard.


Reactored Hellions vs Nexus first is a BO loss. There's no way to ever keep the probes alive because Stalkers need like 7 or 8 shots to kill a Hellion. You're never going to have enough units to kill the Hellions or MM.
masterbreti
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)2711 Posts
December 07 2011 09:40 GMT
#611
Huk played really poorly. I think if he has thought about his matches first before just trying to be a greedy toss. he would not have lost so badly.
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
December 07 2011 09:40 GMT
#612
I was so disappointed there was no ceremony from Keen...truly a horrible first series for the day. Nexus first so insane on Dual Sight, hell, I don't really feel safe going 1gate expand on that map
IMPrime
Profile Joined September 2011
United States715 Posts
December 07 2011 09:40 GMT
#613
On December 07 2011 18:37 Lord_J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 18:36 Bayyne wrote:
On December 07 2011 18:36 Teoita wrote:
On December 07 2011 18:34 Bayyne wrote:
On December 07 2011 18:34 Ezkaton wrote:
What in the actual fuck just happened in those 2 games? I'm a huk fan but i gotta say well played by keen just punishing a greedy opening and doing what he had to do.


Build order loss, plain and simple.


It wasn't a build order loss. It was Keen scouting that Huk was being insanely greedy and punishing it, pure and simple.


Still a build order loss.


Your opponent seeing your build, reacting to it, and then killing you is not a build order loss.


well, it's more the fact that once the marine pops out, the toss is playing in the dark for a long time. The toss can't really adapt his nexus first build into something else, while the terran can change his plan once he sees the FE.

Still, going nexus first on dual sight is REALLY risky. I believe even a 1gate FE is a decent enough counter to 1/1/1 while doing a little better against various other 1base pushes like 2rax pressure.
Rykros
Profile Joined May 2011
483 Posts
December 07 2011 09:40 GMT
#614
To all those weak minds who think that was an all in and have no sense of judgement. It wasn't. Keen could transition out of it easily if Huk didnot just die.
NeilSC
Profile Joined November 2011
114 Posts
December 07 2011 09:40 GMT
#615
Huk biggest problem is not being able to change his build after he scouts. It's like he decides what he wants to do before the game and does it no matter what. We see this all the time in PvP when he wants to 4gate and ends up pretty fucked becaus of it.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
December 07 2011 09:40 GMT
#616
Stupid question, but why didn't they ever show Huk on camera today? Something wrong with him?
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Speake
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States494 Posts
December 07 2011 09:40 GMT
#617
God i miss korean fangirls lol
tQ.Speake
dmnum
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Brazil6910 Posts
December 07 2011 09:40 GMT
#618
On December 07 2011 18:39 Asha` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 18:37 supdubdup wrote:
Was this just one single factory making double hellions?


Yeah, it was just a reactor fact with a rax making marauders + conc shells as far as I could see?

Yeap it was 1 Rax/Fact hellion marauder push
Inhumane
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada145 Posts
December 07 2011 09:40 GMT
#619
Did anyone else see that girl duck out of the camera shot? ahahhaha
Loomies
Profile Joined July 2010
United States645 Posts
December 07 2011 09:41 GMT
#620
holy crap did anyone else see that korean girl dodge the camera lol
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