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On November 21 2011 01:06 MLG_Adam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 01:04 Fandango wrote:
Where's the investigation into the admin who told Naniwa it was cross positions only then later denied it when it turned out it wasn't? The admin didn't tell him that, I know because I was standing right there. Why wouldn't a player playing in a National Championship know where the spawns were? He chose the map, it is his responsibility to know the intricacies involved. There is responsibility on the players to know the settings they are competing on. The maps were not published the day of the event.
Then why is he saying something very different in the above linked video? And you should know that there have been a lot of different versions of Shakura's and even different MLG versions, so no, it's not only the responsibility of the player it's the responsibility of the staff of the tournament to be able to answer a simple question. I wasn't there obviously, but from how Naniwa described it he's pretty clearly referring to a time when it was just him talking to the one admin alone, also why on earth would he pause the game after being told that it wasn't cross positions only? Why would he scout that direction to begin with?
You're painting a picture and it aint pretty kid and I don't like the look of it. Not one bit.
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On November 21 2011 01:11 Tabbris wrote:
Reddit Over reacting again -.-
Hmm if you look at the LR-thread here on TL its just as bad. So dont just blame reddit for this.
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i'm glad to know that this was all manufactured drama from reddit and baseless naniwa hate because people can't read
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On November 21 2011 01:09 Exarl25 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 01:00 MLG_Adam wrote:
Moving forward, we will look at rules outlawing any replay views on a tournament PC
Why? No tournament I know of has any rules against this. I have got absolutely no idea why people assumed MLG did. This has never been an issue before, don't go changing your rules just because /r/starcraft is an idiotic bandwagon.
GSL forbids every kind of replay watching in between matches.
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If the admin did lie that's a bit silly, but Naniwa has to take responsibility for not bothering to learn the map, too.
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Thank you for making a statement.
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On November 21 2011 01:06 MLG_Adam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 01:04 Fandango wrote:
Where's the investigation into the admin who told Naniwa it was cross positions only then later denied it when it turned out it wasn't? The admin didn't tell him that, I know because I was standing right there. Why wouldn't a player playing in a National Championship know where the spawns were? He chose the map, it is his responsibility to know the intricacies involved. There is responsibility on the players to know the settings they are competing on. The maps were not published the day of the event.
This is extremely low from mlg, telling that a player lied just to make themselves look good.
You guys obviously deserved the comment from naniwa where he gives his opinion about the tournament.
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EDIT: I mixed shakuras with shattered. LOL. Im sorry, I was wrong.
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At least we got the official source! Def should ban replay watching at least during restarts. But if its not in the rules, can't complain.
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On November 21 2011 01:14 andis35 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 01:09 MLG_Adam wrote:On November 21 2011 01:08 Seiniyta wrote:On November 21 2011 01:06 MLG_Adam wrote:On November 21 2011 01:04 Fandango wrote:
Where's the investigation into the admin who told Naniwa it was cross positions only then later denied it when it turned out it wasn't? The admin didn't tell him that, I know because I was standing right there. Why wouldn't a player playing in a National Championship know where the spawns were? He chose the map, it is his responsibility to know the intricacies involved. There is responsibility on the players to know the settings they are competing on. The maps were not published the day of the event. on the site (I haven't checked today) it still stated that Shakuras Plateau was cross map only... (I could have misread too, it was around 3-4 am when I checked that  ) Link? http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/mlg/mlg-starcraft-2-map-poolOrlando - MLG Shattered Temple has been updated to Blizzard version 1.3. There are still no close spawns allowed. Providence - No changes from Orlando.
edit: i was wrong
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On November 21 2011 01:09 MLG_Adam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 01:08 Seiniyta wrote:On November 21 2011 01:06 MLG_Adam wrote:On November 21 2011 01:04 Fandango wrote:
Where's the investigation into the admin who told Naniwa it was cross positions only then later denied it when it turned out it wasn't? The admin didn't tell him that, I know because I was standing right there. Why wouldn't a player playing in a National Championship know where the spawns were? He chose the map, it is his responsibility to know the intricacies involved. There is responsibility on the players to know the settings they are competing on. The maps were not published the day of the event. on the site (I haven't checked today) it still stated that Shakuras Plateau was cross map only... (I could have misread too, it was around 3-4 am when I checked that ) Link?
Just checked again, and yeah I was wrong , forgot to scroll down the page to see the changelist :p ( http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/mlg/mlg-starcraft-2-map-pool )
Sorry!
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People check replays after they win/lose games all the time, I would hope that MLG doesn't keep the players from doing that after games. I mean these players are pros they can determine what they did wrong by watching a replay in 2 minutes after a match and make adjustments for the next. I just think it would be detrimental to the overall quality of the games if players don't have this tool, just $0.02 here...
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On November 21 2011 01:12 Zalithian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 01:10 Yonnua wrote:On November 21 2011 01:08 turamn wrote:On November 21 2011 01:06 MLG_Adam wrote:On November 21 2011 01:04 Fandango wrote:
Where's the investigation into the admin who told Naniwa it was cross positions only then later denied it when it turned out it wasn't? The admin didn't tell him that, I know because I was standing right there. Why wouldn't a player playing in a National Championship know where the spawns were? He chose the map, it is his responsibility to know the intricacies involved. There is responsibility on the players to know the settings they are competing on. The maps were not published the day of the event. So, you're basically saying he lied for whatever reason to achieve whatever goal? I don't know that this makes any sense and it would seem MLG has more face to save than Naniwa by trying to convince the public that their guy was right, but whatevs. Exactly, why would Nani say an admin told him if one didn't? Surely he'd just say "isn't it cross only?" rather than that an admin said it. I reckon some minor official at MLG mistakenly told him and doesn't want to admit to it. Surely an MLG official would lie to cover their ass, but Naniwa would not lie to cover his. The logic here is astounding.
But why would Naniwa tell a lie so easily disproven, when he could easily say something far more convincing? Some MLG official who only worked Dallas assumes that it's only cross spawn and tells Naniwa it's only cross spawn. He calls them out on it and there's nothing they can do but say the conversation never happened.
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On November 21 2011 01:14 andis35 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 01:09 MLG_Adam wrote:On November 21 2011 01:08 Seiniyta wrote:On November 21 2011 01:06 MLG_Adam wrote:On November 21 2011 01:04 Fandango wrote:
Where's the investigation into the admin who told Naniwa it was cross positions only then later denied it when it turned out it wasn't? The admin didn't tell him that, I know because I was standing right there. Why wouldn't a player playing in a National Championship know where the spawns were? He chose the map, it is his responsibility to know the intricacies involved. There is responsibility on the players to know the settings they are competing on. The maps were not published the day of the event. on the site (I haven't checked today) it still stated that Shakuras Plateau was cross map only... (I could have misread too, it was around 3-4 am when I checked that ) Link? http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/mlg/mlg-starcraft-2-map-poolOrlando - MLG Shattered Temple has been updated to Blizzard version 1.3. There are still no close spawns allowed. Providence - No changes from Orlando.
Shattered is not Shakuras lol
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On November 21 2011 01:12 kmkg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 01:09 Exarl25 wrote:On November 21 2011 01:00 MLG_Adam wrote:
Moving forward, we will look at rules outlawing any replay views on a tournament PC
Why? No tournament I know of has any rules against this. I have got absolutely no idea why people assumed MLG did. This has never been an issue before, don't go changing your rules just because /r/starcraft is an idiotic bandwagon. GSL forbids every kind of replay watching in between matches.
Source?
http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/64582
I see nothing in the rules here.
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United States994 Posts
Enjoy the rest of the tournament. We are doing our best.
Thanks for the support and discussion around the issue.
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Why are we discussing the crossthingy? It was just a misunderstanding. Doesn't matter who is to blame. It got resolved and we can all move on.
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Switzerland2892 Posts
Starting spawns on Shakuras Plateau have been modified to ensure cross-map spawns only.
It's the last sentence of http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/mlg/mlg-starcraft-2-map-pool
edit: anyways, I think the most important part is solved, can't we just forget the rest and enjoy the tournament?
edit2: shakuras has been modified later, I just quoted this because it was really missleading
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MLG_Adam...READ THIS! <3 So u should probably change it on ur site if what ur saying is "LAWL he should have knew the spawn locations!"
Whether an admin told him or he read it here there was a fault in the rules
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EPT
