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On November 21 2011 11:39 CinnaBuns wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:31 Wallstreet11 wrote:
BOTTOM LINE: I want mid to long games most games.
These fast 1 base all ins are very boring and I wouldn´t have stayed up if I knew it was gonna be 3 hatch cancel cheezes.
I think it is much more entertaining and skillful when you have lots of macro to keep track on as well as maxed out and diversed armies. The skill curve goes way up the more you have to take into account and that´s why I like Naniwas longer games with sick micro/decision making.
I don´t like classic 4 gates, 6 pools/roach 1 base or bunker rushes etc because the skill of the players are much more limited since there are very fewer decisions to be made.
If say sc2 would have 8min games on averege I would never watch any matches. You want long macro games? Tell Naniwa not to go nexus first every time.
I wish I could! I think you understand my point at least.
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On November 21 2011 11:44 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:42 VirgilSC2 wrote:On November 21 2011 11:41 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:39 HowardRoark wrote:On November 21 2011 11:34 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:34 StarStruck wrote:On November 21 2011 11:32 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:31 jj33 wrote:On November 21 2011 11:29 below66 wrote:
You can seriously tell how many low level players there are with strong opinions by the way the discussion and complaining goes in these threads. yes. and all the people who are complaining and whining about leenock winning "unhonourably" hahaha, when there is money on the line anything goes and he did nothing unhonourable. are they seriously complaining about leenock winning unhonourably with what naniwa did yesterday? Heat of the moment man you see shit like that all the time with everyone else. Naniwa is no different. It only makes him human, so I wouldn't keep picking at that bone. you see people sneaking peeks at replays to figure out what build the opponent is using? since when? This is really an hot potato if what StarStruck posted is true. This sneakypeaky at high level WoL, is it actually something common? Seems like some huge news. Are you a whistle blower, or maybe you were referring to something else? Multiple people confirmed that Naniwa pulled up the replay of a game that was restarted (g3 v Nestea on Shak) due to it starting when on a commercial break. The replay that showed him what? The post-game screen shows build-orders anyway. Yeah so? The point is that he was the cause of restarting the game and that people calling Leenock punishing Naniwa's greed "dishonourable" is ridiculous considering what Naniwa did to Nestea.
That's because they're either Naniwa fanboys and don't want to see him lose... simply put they don't know any better.
There is a huge double standard all over these LR threads. You just have to deal with it and move on. I could explain every logical reason for the actions Leenock did to beat Naniwa, but it would be a waste of time because at the end of the day there would still be people who don't get it and will want to believe what they believe.
It is what it is man. Not our job to explain everything to them. There is nothing dishonorable about what either one of them did. Naniwa's bit was a misunderstanding and you know how competitive he is. He wanted to make sure everything was right about the map.
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On November 21 2011 11:31 kurrysauce wrote:
Btw how was the DRG vs Leenock matches? Didn't get to catch them (fell asleep for awhile)
Should I watch them?
I enjoyed them, some micro fests, ling bane vs roach build from DRG and something similar to the leenock-idra match with muta bane vs roach hydra but closer as DRG micro'd his stuff a bit.
Worth a vodding if you don't hate a ZvZ
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Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
Leenock beat Naniwa..... hooooooooly crap..... Oo
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On November 21 2011 11:48 mostevil wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:31 kurrysauce wrote:
Btw how was the DRG vs Leenock matches? Didn't get to catch them (fell asleep for awhile)
Should I watch them? I enjoyed them, some micro fests, ling bane vs roach build from DRG and something similar to the leenock-idra match with muta bane vs roach hydra but closer as DRG micro'd his stuff a bit. Worth a vodding if you don't hate a ZvZ
Leenock vs DRG was a great series. Game 7 was the best out of the bunch imo
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On November 21 2011 11:48 mostevil wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:31 kurrysauce wrote:
Btw how was the DRG vs Leenock matches? Didn't get to catch them (fell asleep for awhile)
Should I watch them? I enjoyed them, some micro fests, ling bane vs roach build from DRG and something similar to the leenock-idra match with muta bane vs roach hydra but closer as DRG micro'd his stuff a bit. Worth a vodding if you don't hate a ZvZ
Yes, those drone splits were quite something else. Very entertaining to watch.
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On November 21 2011 11:28 sunman1g wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:27 supraWman wrote:On November 21 2011 11:24 kurrysauce wrote:
Crowd was horrible imo
I cringed a little whenever I watched Naniwa come out on stage pre game or post game because the crowd would boo him for no reason. On top of that , so many people B lined for the doors as soon as leenock won. what the hell? I agree. I also think that booing players is really unacceptable. I thought the starcraft community was better than that. this has been both the most epic tournament yet the most disgusting one in terms of crowd the WORST crowd of MLG history by far.
Booing players? What is this about can someone explain?
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On November 21 2011 11:47 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:44 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:42 VirgilSC2 wrote:On November 21 2011 11:41 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:39 HowardRoark wrote:On November 21 2011 11:34 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:34 StarStruck wrote:On November 21 2011 11:32 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:31 jj33 wrote:On November 21 2011 11:29 below66 wrote:
You can seriously tell how many low level players there are with strong opinions by the way the discussion and complaining goes in these threads. yes. and all the people who are complaining and whining about leenock winning "unhonourably" hahaha, when there is money on the line anything goes and he did nothing unhonourable. are they seriously complaining about leenock winning unhonourably with what naniwa did yesterday? Heat of the moment man you see shit like that all the time with everyone else. Naniwa is no different. It only makes him human, so I wouldn't keep picking at that bone. you see people sneaking peeks at replays to figure out what build the opponent is using? since when? This is really an hot potato if what StarStruck posted is true. This sneakypeaky at high level WoL, is it actually something common? Seems like some huge news. Are you a whistle blower, or maybe you were referring to something else? Multiple people confirmed that Naniwa pulled up the replay of a game that was restarted (g3 v Nestea on Shak) due to it starting when on a commercial break. The replay that showed him what? The post-game screen shows build-orders anyway. Yeah so? The point is that he was the cause of restarting the game and that people calling Leenock punishing Naniwa's greed "dishonourable" is ridiculous considering what Naniwa did to Nestea. That's because they're either a) Naniwa fanboys and don't want to see him lose b) don't know any better. There is a huge double standard all over these LR threads. You just have to deal with it and move on. I could explain every logical reason for the actions Leenock did to beat Naniwa, but it would be a waste of time because at the end of the day there would still be people who don't get it and will want to believe what they believe. It is what it is man. Not our job to explain everything to them. There is nothing dishonorable about what either one of them did. Naniwa's bit was a misunderstanding and you know how competitive he is. He wanted to make sure everything was right about the map.
I think Leenock won straight up by doing the right counters but I dislike people making vague slander about other people. (Read Femari)
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On November 21 2011 11:42 Grend wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:39 HowardRoark wrote:On November 21 2011 11:34 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:34 StarStruck wrote:On November 21 2011 11:32 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:31 jj33 wrote:On November 21 2011 11:29 below66 wrote:
You can seriously tell how many low level players there are with strong opinions by the way the discussion and complaining goes in these threads. yes. and all the people who are complaining and whining about leenock winning "unhonourably" hahaha, when there is money on the line anything goes and he did nothing unhonourable. are they seriously complaining about leenock winning unhonourably with what naniwa did yesterday? Heat of the moment man you see shit like that all the time with everyone else. Naniwa is no different. It only makes him human, so I wouldn't keep picking at that bone. you see people sneaking peeks at replays to figure out what build the opponent is using? since when? This is really an hot potato if what StarStruck posted is true. This sneakypeaky at high level WoL, is it actually something common? Seems like some huge news. Are you a whistle blower, or maybe you were referring to something else? It`s allowed to watch replays in between games at MLG. You also assume the motivation of him watching the replay and do not take into account the situation of the first game. This is getting old.
And think about all the times Naniwa was told the maps were a different version. At least two times, he scouted the wrong place cause he think it as a different map version 
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What could have been the best tournament in the world was ruined for me by the fact of discusting behaviour from people in the audience booing Naniwa. Not only booing but laughing when he did mistakes.. And the hate he has been getting here on TL, Reddit and pms on Twitter I'd be surprised if that didnt tilt him. You could see after he beat HuK and DRG that he looked ashamed. He looked like he thought everyone hated him.
I take no credit away from Leenok. He exploited naniwas only weakness and you play this game to win not to give crowds entertainting games. Leenok is an absolutily amazing player and I am happy for him!
I guess I am really upset because I wanted Naniwa to throw the victory in all the haters face. All the people saying even though he beat Nestea TWICE in a bo3 that he is a noob, scrub that can't even get past the round 1 in Code A.
The behaviour of the MLG crowd, Reddit and TL should fucking be ashamed of themselves. You all hold Naniwa so accountable for his actions but look at your fucking self.
I can't wait for Dreamhack where I and alot of other swedes will be. Fuck I am gonna scream my lungs out for you Naniwa! Atleast he has a Code S spot now and I think we will be able to see our first foreigner Code S champion pretty soon.
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I have question!
If DRG Won the loser brackets,
How will the tournament become?
Because DRG and naniwa have played each other before,
so the first game should be a BO7.
But what if DRG won?
Will there be another BO7 extending the scores before?
I'm a bit confused
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On November 21 2011 11:45 Belisarius wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:41 The KY wrote:On November 21 2011 11:36 Belisarius wrote:On November 21 2011 11:30 The KY wrote:On November 21 2011 11:28 Belisarius wrote:On November 21 2011 11:17 Artok wrote:On November 21 2011 11:15 iamthedave wrote:On November 21 2011 11:13 BarbieHsu wrote:On November 21 2011 11:12 Petrina wrote:On November 21 2011 11:09 Belisarius wrote:
lol. Leenock actually is destroying TL. I'm impressed.
This puts Nani in an interesting position. An awful, awful lot of people are going to claim he doesn't deserve the code S he gets from this. The Nestea drama, getting bounced from code A a billion times, and his compete failure to adapt in the final games there... none of that looks good.
I think he has one shot, and one shot only when he walks into code S. If he proves himself, he deserves it. If he's bounced again, I think that's just about it for him in the court of public opinion, especially to the netizens. Don't be so dramatic. He proved himself many many times. He does not have to "prove" himself anymore. And you do not speak for "netizens", do you? You certainly don't speak for me. Where do you come up with those definitive afirmations: "that's just about it for him in the court of public opinion"? Please... He deserves Code S. I just don't want him there. Actually I agree with the first poster. If Naniwa bounces a 4th time, it's not exactly something we can ignore. ya, go and burn him, oh wait, you are just silver league tl guy that doesnt even matter. User was temp banned for this post. I'm going to reply to Petrina since the last guy got banned. I appreciate that an LR thread isn't the place to have a serious discussion since everyone's blood is running hot, but you're really in no position to go off like that. Calm down. I rather like Nani. I'm protoss, he's not my favourite player, but I'm glad to see any P do well. But what I really don't like to see is foreigners fail over and over again in the GSL. It makes the MLG program look like a joke when pretty much nobody gets out of the first round of code A after being flown over. Nani has had this happen more times than any other, and now after doing so he's jumped the queue in just three sets and is now in code S. Of course I don't speak for the netizens, but it's not like you do either, and I think it's pretty undeniable that a lot of people really don't like him. If you need proof, just look at the crowd. It also doesn't take a rocket scientist to realise he's going to cop a lot of heat from Korean audiences for the nestea fiasco. With a reputation like his, and a history like his, getting smashed out of code S next season would damage his legitimacy almost to the point of no return for a ton of fans. It's make or break time next season, I think. I already replied to your other post, and apparently you missed it, but what Nestea fiasco? There's a thread floating around where it is explained in detail why Naniwa didn't cheat and didn't mean to be bm, and that he and Nestea were interacting (if not talking - language barrier) on good terms when not on stage. It's pretty easy to miss posts in this thread. I did try to check. That's the thing though, it's not really about what's reality, it's what it looks like. Nani looks like the bad boy who delayed a game forever, argued with officials, pulled up a replay mid-match and then gave nestea the thumb-down after he won. That's what was on screen. That looks really suss. Nani's explanation/apology/whatever on TL is not going to make it to playxp in any accurate form. Even on TL/reddit, a bunch of people are still going to scoff and say he shouldn't have been allowed to have a coach in his booth after game-start. It's the perception which comes through that's important, and that little bit of drama doesn't help him. Totally understand about missing the post, wasn't blaming you. But I totally disagree about what's important...if some redditers or whiny playxp posters want to talk shit about something they don't actually know about, who cares. They're still wrong. What's important as far as I am concerned is that Naniwa deserves his Code S spot as much as MC did last MLG, no one can take it away from him, and what someone too lazy to actually look into it percieves happened is, to me and hopefully to Naniwa, not important in the slightest. Sure, that's fine. I think he deserves it as well. He fought for it and he beat a string of absolutely top class players to get there, even if he choked at the end. I'm just worried he won't be able to stand up when he gets there, and what it will look like if he does bounce out, for him personally, for the MLG-GSL exchange as a program, and for the whole foreign legitimacy shebang in general. I think he deserves to be where he is. I hope he does well and I hope he redeems himself. But I think he needs redemption.
In my eyes he redeemed himself months ago. He's pretty much my favourite player now for his play, his charming awkwardness, and most of all his absolute determination to improve and the fact that to him getting second place is so unacceptable that he is inconsolable afterwards. It's something I truly admire.
I don't see how he can redeem himself any more. This is the Naniwa we have now, the focused, awkward, to the point Naniwa, and I hope he sticks around.
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On November 21 2011 11:37 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:29 Divine_ wrote:On November 21 2011 11:27 supraWman wrote:On November 21 2011 11:24 kurrysauce wrote:
Crowd was horrible imo
I cringed a little whenever I watched Naniwa come out on stage pre game or post game because the crowd would boo him for no reason. On top of that , so many people B lined for the doors as soon as leenock won. what the hell? I agree. I also think that booing players is really unacceptable. I thought the starcraft community was better than that. Maybe that's one of the reasons as to why Starcraft has been so popular in Korea for many years now and not in the western world. Their culture is more about politeness and respect - as soon as it comes to us we start seeing unacceptable and disgusting things like booing a player off stage. People will have to grow up just a little more if E-sports is going to have it's great breakthrough outside of Korea. EDIT: I realize i sound very pessimistic in my post - i do not by all means accuse everyone in the starcraft community of doing those things. It just makes me sick when some people do, though. That's also because players in Korea have a lot more respect for each other and enjoy a healthy competition, it's not only about the community. In Korea there's no one like Idra, no one like LaLuSh, no one like NaNi, could go on. In Korea "BM" is just funny. Things like murloc costumes, MC dancing in the middle of the stage, nerds doing the marine dance, FBH going in the water like a madman, even the throat slash MC gave Idra that many people consider BMish was just a funny way to entice the crowd, you can just tell. Meanwhile, you get Idra giving the finger to HuK/MC, stuff like that, in the foreigner scene. That's not healthy competition imo, this is why Korean SC is so loved. Actually, I'd be surprised to ever see NesTea again at a foreigner event, he must have been so dissapointed. Respect in western world's competition is normally secondary to everything else, and not really a priority, in Korea, respect goes first. Grubby and White-Ra are the icons everyone should follow, not Idra/NaNi/Lalush etc.
Well, FBH did a bit more than just run into the water. He did some pretty legitimate BM, and several others were upset about it and tried to get his coach to stop it. If I recall correctly, she basically said, "if you don't want him to do it, then don't lose to him."
That said, people just tend to blow things out of proportion. Admittedly, some of the things the players you named seem to cross a line, but more often than not it is the community that jumps all over people for perceived statements or even just for failing to live up their expectations.
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On November 21 2011 11:49 Wallstreet11 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:42 Grend wrote:On November 21 2011 11:39 HowardRoark wrote:On November 21 2011 11:34 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:34 StarStruck wrote:On November 21 2011 11:32 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:31 jj33 wrote:On November 21 2011 11:29 below66 wrote:
You can seriously tell how many low level players there are with strong opinions by the way the discussion and complaining goes in these threads. yes. and all the people who are complaining and whining about leenock winning "unhonourably" hahaha, when there is money on the line anything goes and he did nothing unhonourable. are they seriously complaining about leenock winning unhonourably with what naniwa did yesterday? Heat of the moment man you see shit like that all the time with everyone else. Naniwa is no different. It only makes him human, so I wouldn't keep picking at that bone. you see people sneaking peeks at replays to figure out what build the opponent is using? since when? This is really an hot potato if what StarStruck posted is true. This sneakypeaky at high level WoL, is it actually something common? Seems like some huge news. Are you a whistle blower, or maybe you were referring to something else? It`s allowed to watch replays in between games at MLG. You also assume the motivation of him watching the replay and do not take into account the situation of the first game. This is getting old. And think about all the times Naniwa was told the maps were a different version. At least two times, he scouted the wrong place cause he think it as a different map version
No, he wasn't. Check the MLG statement where they explicitly state no one told him it was cross spawns only
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On November 21 2011 11:45 Grend wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:44 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:42 VirgilSC2 wrote:On November 21 2011 11:41 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:39 HowardRoark wrote:On November 21 2011 11:34 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:34 StarStruck wrote:On November 21 2011 11:32 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:31 jj33 wrote:On November 21 2011 11:29 below66 wrote:
You can seriously tell how many low level players there are with strong opinions by the way the discussion and complaining goes in these threads. yes. and all the people who are complaining and whining about leenock winning "unhonourably" hahaha, when there is money on the line anything goes and he did nothing unhonourable. are they seriously complaining about leenock winning unhonourably with what naniwa did yesterday? Heat of the moment man you see shit like that all the time with everyone else. Naniwa is no different. It only makes him human, so I wouldn't keep picking at that bone. you see people sneaking peeks at replays to figure out what build the opponent is using? since when? This is really an hot potato if what StarStruck posted is true. This sneakypeaky at high level WoL, is it actually something common? Seems like some huge news. Are you a whistle blower, or maybe you were referring to something else? Multiple people confirmed that Naniwa pulled up the replay of a game that was restarted (g3 v Nestea on Shak) due to it starting when on a commercial break. The replay that showed him what? The post-game screen shows build-orders anyway. Yeah so? The point is that he was the cause of restarting the game and that people calling Leenock punishing Naniwa's greed "dishonourable" is ridiculous considering what Naniwa did to Nestea. What did he do? Please elaborate on your accusations.
During the break between game 2 and 3 of the series between Nestea and Naniwa, Naniwa chose Shak and set up the game himself. Something happened (miscommunication most likely) and they went to a commercial break. Naniwa had started the game though and they both played around 1:37 of game time so they had to stop it cause it wasn't being casted. After that they went to the restroom during the break and Naniwa got back first and started watching the replay. An official apparently tried to stop him but it was too late and he saw Nestea's main and the build. Then they started the new game and since Nestea was cross spawn in the replay Naniwa assumed it was cross only. He got upset. Started typing on screen which MLG could do nothing about. They then let the coach in apparently to relay messages from the admin (idk why) and then the game started again.
Basically he did nothing against the rules, but he sure as hell did nothing honorable. But this was in the thread yesterday. Multiple people who were there have been saying this.
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On November 21 2011 11:31 kurrysauce wrote:
Btw how was the DRG vs Leenock matches? Didn't get to catch them (fell asleep for awhile)
Should I watch them?
Hands down the best Z Zs I've ever seen... If you don't like infestors, and I don't. Definitely watch them as they are full of sick sick micro, down and dirty games.
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On November 21 2011 11:45 Grend wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:44 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:42 VirgilSC2 wrote:On November 21 2011 11:41 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:39 HowardRoark wrote:On November 21 2011 11:34 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:34 StarStruck wrote:On November 21 2011 11:32 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:31 jj33 wrote:On November 21 2011 11:29 below66 wrote:
You can seriously tell how many low level players there are with strong opinions by the way the discussion and complaining goes in these threads. yes. and all the people who are complaining and whining about leenock winning "unhonourably" hahaha, when there is money on the line anything goes and he did nothing unhonourable. are they seriously complaining about leenock winning unhonourably with what naniwa did yesterday? Heat of the moment man you see shit like that all the time with everyone else. Naniwa is no different. It only makes him human, so I wouldn't keep picking at that bone. you see people sneaking peeks at replays to figure out what build the opponent is using? since when? This is really an hot potato if what StarStruck posted is true. This sneakypeaky at high level WoL, is it actually something common? Seems like some huge news. Are you a whistle blower, or maybe you were referring to something else? Multiple people confirmed that Naniwa pulled up the replay of a game that was restarted (g3 v Nestea on Shak) due to it starting when on a commercial break. The replay that showed him what? The post-game screen shows build-orders anyway. Yeah so? The point is that he was the cause of restarting the game and that people calling Leenock punishing Naniwa's greed "dishonourable" is ridiculous considering what Naniwa did to Nestea. What did he do? Please elaborate on your accusations.
There's a thread about it where an MLG official, I'm pretty sure it was Adam, gives his version of events and explains why he absolutely doesn't think Naniwa did anything wrong. It's in very great detail, I recommend anyone who thinks Naniwa is a cheater doesn't talk about it until they have read it.
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Naniwa sure made me a fan. Fantastic play, very good build order, but to be a champion he should variate his BO's more next time. Still, what an amazing run, I am awestruck <3
Leenock, even before the semi with DRG, I was thinking to myself: I hope Leenock takes this serie, because he seems to have what it takes to defeat Naniwa. If DRG wins (vs Leenock) it's just gonna be a 1 sided thrashing repeat when facing Naniwa again in the final.
Leenock seems amazing when put under pressure, stayed very composed and collected and didn't freak out. I thought DRG wilted too easily when things didn't go his way or when confronted in a surprised situation. Leenock in my opinion is true championship material, give him some time, and with good guidance, I think he will be unstoppable.
Just my noob opinion, don't bash me, thanks :D
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On November 21 2011 11:51 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:45 Grend wrote:On November 21 2011 11:44 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:42 VirgilSC2 wrote:On November 21 2011 11:41 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:39 HowardRoark wrote:On November 21 2011 11:34 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:34 StarStruck wrote:On November 21 2011 11:32 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:31 jj33 wrote:
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yes.
and all the people who are complaining and whining about leenock winning "unhonourably"
hahaha, when there is money on the line anything goes and he did nothing unhonourable.
are they seriously complaining about leenock winning unhonourably with what naniwa did yesterday? Heat of the moment man you see shit like that all the time with everyone else. Naniwa is no different. It only makes him human, so I wouldn't keep picking at that bone. you see people sneaking peeks at replays to figure out what build the opponent is using? since when? This is really an hot potato if what StarStruck posted is true. This sneakypeaky at high level WoL, is it actually something common? Seems like some huge news. Are you a whistle blower, or maybe you were referring to something else? Multiple people confirmed that Naniwa pulled up the replay of a game that was restarted (g3 v Nestea on Shak) due to it starting when on a commercial break. The replay that showed him what? The post-game screen shows build-orders anyway. Yeah so? The point is that he was the cause of restarting the game and that people calling Leenock punishing Naniwa's greed "dishonourable" is ridiculous considering what Naniwa did to Nestea. What did he do? Please elaborate on your accusations. During the break between game 2 and 3 of the series between Nestea and Naniwa, Naniwa chose Shak and set up the game himself. Something happened (miscommunication most likely) and they went to a commercial break. Naniwa had started the game though and they both played around 1:37 of game time so they had to stop it cause it wasn't being casted. After that they went to the restroom during the break and Naniwa got back first and started watching the replay. An official apparently tried to stop him but it was too late and he saw Nestea's main and the build. Then they started the new game and since Nestea was cross spawn in the replay Naniwa assumed it was cross only. He got upset. Started typing on screen which MLG could do nothing about. They then let the coach in apparently to relay messages from the admin (idk why) and then the game started again. Basically he did nothing against the rules, but he sure as hell did nothing honorable. But this was in the thread yesterday. Multiple people who were there have been saying this.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=287295
Read.
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On November 21 2011 11:52 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:45 Grend wrote:On November 21 2011 11:44 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:42 VirgilSC2 wrote:On November 21 2011 11:41 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:39 HowardRoark wrote:On November 21 2011 11:34 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:34 StarStruck wrote:On November 21 2011 11:32 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:31 jj33 wrote:
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yes.
and all the people who are complaining and whining about leenock winning "unhonourably"
hahaha, when there is money on the line anything goes and he did nothing unhonourable.
are they seriously complaining about leenock winning unhonourably with what naniwa did yesterday? Heat of the moment man you see shit like that all the time with everyone else. Naniwa is no different. It only makes him human, so I wouldn't keep picking at that bone. you see people sneaking peeks at replays to figure out what build the opponent is using? since when? This is really an hot potato if what StarStruck posted is true. This sneakypeaky at high level WoL, is it actually something common? Seems like some huge news. Are you a whistle blower, or maybe you were referring to something else? Multiple people confirmed that Naniwa pulled up the replay of a game that was restarted (g3 v Nestea on Shak) due to it starting when on a commercial break. The replay that showed him what? The post-game screen shows build-orders anyway. Yeah so? The point is that he was the cause of restarting the game and that people calling Leenock punishing Naniwa's greed "dishonourable" is ridiculous considering what Naniwa did to Nestea. What did he do? Please elaborate on your accusations. There's a thread about it where an MLG official, I'm pretty sure it was Adam, gives his version of events and explains why he absolutely doesn't think Naniwa did anything wrong. It's in very great detail, I recommend anyone who thinks Naniwa is a cheater doesn't talk about it until they have read it.
Oh he is definitely not a cheater. He broke no rules other than possibly badmouthing MLG (which by interpretation can be a technical)
You have to break rules to be a cheater.
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EPT
