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Here we go again. This weekend is about good games and good fun. Don't rain on that parade. Play nice guys. Here's the very standard and friendly:

- NO Balance Whine.
- NO Player Bashing.
- NO Caster Bashing.
- NO BM whatsoever.

Breaking these rules (from pg 166 forward) will be met with severe punishment.
SilverforceX
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia267 Posts
November 21 2011 02:36 GMT
#17161
On November 21 2011 11:26 s3183529 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 11:24 DoubleDouble wrote:
leenock cheesed an eco cheeser? whats the big deal.

So true, eco cheeser = macro game => not cheese. Some people just don't wanna talk logic.


Blind FFE is a form of cheese because you are HOPING your opponent is not going to counter it.

It's not a strategy at all, just a coin toss.

StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
November 21 2011 02:37 GMT
#17162
On November 21 2011 11:33 Clank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 11:30 FuRong wrote:
You guys keep getting it wrong, he beat MVP as well. Code S players highlighted:

Leenock 2 - 0 Infernozz
Leenock 2 - 0 duckyr
Leenock 2 - 0 Drewbie
Leenock 2 - 0 Oz
Leenock 2 - 0 Gatored
Leenock 2 - 0 State
Leenock 2 - 0 Haypro
Leenock 0 - 2 DRG
Leenock 2 - 0 Boxer
Leenock 2 - 0 Slush
Leenock 2 - 1 MMA
Leenock 2 - 0 Idra
Leenock 2 - 0 Huk
Leenock 2 - 0 MVP
Leenock 4 - 1 DRG (extended series starting down 0 - 2)
Leenock 4 - 1 Naniwa

Total Record: 34 - 5


*technically* huk, nestea, and DRG aren't in code S anymore, but yeah, crazy run


Those series were still very fun to watch. HuK was displaying great micro this weekend, nestea was definitely up and down and drg was as inconsistent as ever, but the games leenock played against them were still very entertaining to watch and if you want to improve your play you can learn a lot from watching those games.
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
November 21 2011 02:37 GMT
#17163
On November 21 2011 11:30 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 11:27 mjnbowlgod wrote:
the bigger question might be is... whats the future for terrens now?


Terrans will be fine. It's one tournament.


Actually it's not just one tournament, at all.

Terrans will be totally fine. But it's certainly not just this tournament that they have seemed decidedly less OP.

Seems like only yesterday that both ZvT and PvT were being decried as unwinnable by many a scrub, and I don't mean to rub it in but kindly suck it, balance whiners. That's right, I even play terran and I'm happy terran isn't winning because maybe now people might shut up and wait more than a week before deciding absolutely that a race is overpowered, and that anyone who argues against that 'fact' is delusional or biased.

Ah but terran got nerfed, right? That must be it. It must have been that EMP radius nerf that stopped the terran freight train of winning everything. You guys were right; we do need patches to fix the game, as soon as possible, let's definitely not wait to see if the metagame stabilizes. After all if a race has a winrate above 50% for any period of time, they must be overpowered. It's maths. It's not like that's supposed to happen in an asymmetrical RTS.

I'll shut up now. But I had to let that out. I don't mean to be smug. But I fucking am.
iSometric
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
2221 Posts
November 21 2011 02:37 GMT
#17164
Congrats to Leenock. Hope he will buy his teammates some chicken lol.
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mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
November 21 2011 02:37 GMT
#17165
On November 21 2011 11:29 Divine_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 11:27 supraWman wrote:
On November 21 2011 11:24 kurrysauce wrote:
Crowd was horrible imo

I cringed a little whenever I watched Naniwa come out on stage pre game or post game because the crowd would boo him for no reason. On top of that , so many people B lined for the doors as soon as leenock won. what the hell?

I agree. I also think that booing players is really unacceptable. I thought the starcraft community was better than that.

Maybe that's one of the reasons as to why Starcraft has been so popular in Korea for many years now and not in the western world. Their culture is more about politeness and respect - as soon as it comes to us we start seeing unacceptable and disgusting things like booing a player off stage. People will have to grow up just a little more if E-sports is going to have it's great breakthrough outside of Korea.

EDIT: I realize i sound very pessimistic in my post - i do not by all means accuse everyone in the starcraft community of doing those things. It just makes me sick when some people do, though.

That's also because players in Korea have a lot more respect for each other and enjoy a healthy competition, it's not only about the community. In Korea there's no one like Idra, no one like LaLuSh, no one like NaNi, could go on. In Korea "BM" is just funny. Things like murloc costumes, MC dancing in the middle of the stage, nerds doing the marine dance, FBH going in the water like a madman, even the throat slash MC gave Idra that many people consider BMish was just a funny way to entice the crowd, you can just tell.

Meanwhile, you get Idra giving the finger to HuK/MC, stuff like that, in the foreigner scene. That's not healthy competition imo, this is why Korean SC is so loved. Actually, I'd be surprised to ever see NesTea again at a foreigner event, he must have been so dissapointed.

Respect in western world's competition is normally secondary to everything else, and not really a priority, in Korea, respect goes first.

Grubby and White-Ra are the icons everyone should follow, not Idra/NaNi/Lalush etc.
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
November 21 2011 02:38 GMT
#17166
Incredible he beat so many top name players:

1) MVP
2) MMA
3) DRG
4) Idra
5) Huk
6) Naniwa
7) Oz

and then a bunch of lower tier (but good) players.
Kaozpanna
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden47 Posts
November 21 2011 02:38 GMT
#17167
On November 21 2011 11:35 supraWman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 11:34 Kaozpanna wrote:
I was having the time of my life a couple of hours ago. My fellow swedes doing incredibly well and now everything is absolute shit. Im up at 3:30 am and have school tomorrow. Naniwa after being disrespected by so many people, loses in the most anticlimactic final I have seen since Nestea v Inca. The wheater is shitty, school is shitty and my life is fucking uninteresting. Fuck all of this.

Ps: Im Coming for you Fionn...

You might also want to put Artosis on your list. I'm absolutely certain that he cursed Naniwa with all his hype, just as all the other promising protosses before.



You're right. I guess there is a reason why Alicia and Sage are in Code B.
dapierow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Serbia1316 Posts
November 21 2011 02:38 GMT
#17168
On November 21 2011 11:36 Femari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 11:35 AySz88 wrote:
On November 21 2011 11:33 dapierow wrote:
Quick question, how did they decide on who got higher final rank for prize pool for Idra/Haypro and Mc/Huk


They played games to break the tie, though the MLG twitter said that Idra/Haypro was some sort of default win for Haypro (dunno why Idra got DQ'd).

idra probably didnt want to play

Hmmm weird, I knew he was disappointed at his results but didnt think that would stop him from pursuing another 750$. Thats really disturbing now that i think about it actually.
Eat.Sleep.Starcraft 2
Supert0fu
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States499 Posts
November 21 2011 02:38 GMT
#17169
On November 21 2011 11:36 Scribble wrote:
Also, got my mom to watch the loser finals and grand finals, and she seemed really engaged, so that's another + for tonight. :D


Haha that's a huge win!
AySz88
Profile Joined March 2011
United States83 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-21 02:39:03
November 21 2011 02:38 GMT
#17170
On November 21 2011 11:36 karis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 11:35 AySz88 wrote:
On November 21 2011 11:33 dapierow wrote:
Quick question, how did they decide on who got higher final rank for prize pool for Idra/Haypro and Mc/Huk


They played games to break the tie, though the MLG twitter said that Idra/Haypro was some sort of default win for Haypro (dunno why Idra got DQ'd).


didnt get dq just didnts bother to show up. idra doesnt need to worry about seeding.


Heh, what about the $750 prize difference, though? *shrug*
Killedbydeath
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden37 Posts
November 21 2011 02:38 GMT
#17171
Was really cheering for Naniwa in the finals but Leenock played really smart and I think he deserved this win more than any player in this tournament, given the sick run he had through the open bracket. And only 16 years old? That's just crazy!

When Naniwa's frustration and disappointment has faded I think he'll be very pleased with his achievments at Providence and I hope he'll get on the right track for future tournaments and of course the GSL Code S. A player with his kind of dedication is hard to not support!

Good games Naniwa and congratulations to Leenock!
CinnaBuns
Profile Joined August 2011
United States34 Posts
November 21 2011 02:39 GMT
#17172
On November 21 2011 11:31 Wallstreet11 wrote:
BOTTOM LINE: I want mid to long games most games.

These fast 1 base all ins are very boring and I wouldn´t have stayed up if I knew it was gonna be 3 hatch cancel cheezes.

I think it is much more entertaining and skillful when you have lots of macro to keep track on as well as maxed out and diversed armies. The skill curve goes way up the more you have to take into account and that´s why I like Naniwas longer games with sick micro/decision making.

I don´t like classic 4 gates, 6 pools/roach 1 base or bunker rushes etc because the skill of the players are much more limited since there are very fewer decisions to be made.

If say sc2 would have 8min games on averege I would never watch any matches.


You want long macro games? Tell Naniwa not to go nexus first every time.
HowardRoark
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
1146 Posts
November 21 2011 02:39 GMT
#17173
On November 21 2011 11:34 Femari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 11:34 StarStruck wrote:
On November 21 2011 11:32 Femari wrote:
On November 21 2011 11:31 jj33 wrote:
On November 21 2011 11:29 below66 wrote:
You can seriously tell how many low level players there are with strong opinions by the way the discussion and complaining goes in these threads.


yes.

and all the people who are complaining and whining about leenock winning "unhonourably"

hahaha, when there is money on the line anything goes and he did nothing unhonourable.


are they seriously complaining about leenock winning unhonourably with what naniwa did yesterday?


Heat of the moment man you see shit like that all the time with everyone else. Naniwa is no different. It only makes him human, so I wouldn't keep picking at that bone.

you see people sneaking peeks at replays to figure out what build the opponent is using?

since when?

This is really an hot potato if what StarStruck posted is true. This sneakypeaky at high level WoL, is it actually something common? Seems like some huge news. Are you a whistle blower, or maybe you were referring to something else?
"It is really good to get the double observatory if you want to get the speed and sight range for the observer simultaneously. It's a little bit of an advanced tactic, and by advanced, I mean really fucking bad."
Broodwurst
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1586 Posts
November 21 2011 02:39 GMT
#17174
On November 21 2011 11:38 dapierow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 11:36 Femari wrote:
On November 21 2011 11:35 AySz88 wrote:
On November 21 2011 11:33 dapierow wrote:
Quick question, how did they decide on who got higher final rank for prize pool for Idra/Haypro and Mc/Huk


They played games to break the tie, though the MLG twitter said that Idra/Haypro was some sort of default win for Haypro (dunno why Idra got DQ'd).

idra probably didnt want to play

Hmmm weird, I knew he was disappointed at his results but didnt think that would stop him from pursuing another 750$. Thats really disturbing now that i think about it actually.


I don't think he ever play matches that "don't matter?"
Fanboys = (ウ╹◡╹)ウ /// I like smiley faces
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-21 02:42:47
November 21 2011 02:39 GMT
#17175
On November 21 2011 11:34 Femari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 11:34 StarStruck wrote:
On November 21 2011 11:32 Femari wrote:
On November 21 2011 11:31 jj33 wrote:
On November 21 2011 11:29 below66 wrote:
You can seriously tell how many low level players there are with strong opinions by the way the discussion and complaining goes in these threads.


yes.

and all the people who are complaining and whining about leenock winning "unhonourably"

hahaha, when there is money on the line anything goes and he did nothing unhonourable.


are they seriously complaining about leenock winning unhonourably with what naniwa did yesterday?


Heat of the moment man you see shit like that all the time with everyone else. Naniwa is no different. It only makes him human, so I wouldn't keep picking at that bone.

you see people sneaking peeks at replays to figure out what build the opponent is using?

since when?


I thought you were talking about the nani interviews, or the thumbs down thing he did to MC. o_O

With that said, sure guys will look over recent replays of guys to figure out what the heck they are doing atm too just like you see players getting feedback and intel from other players as well. It's not under the table.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
November 21 2011 02:40 GMT
#17176
Congrats to leenock! Such a sick run through rhis tounament. It seems like he took out everyone but nestea (who he beat in gsl btw). Mma, drg, mvp, huk, naniwa, idra and more. This was insanely impressive. Its hard to fathom how well he did to win this tournament.

Thank you MLG for hosting this kick ass event and thanks to fxo boss for giving leenock the chance to go to mlg.
www.superbeerbrothers.com
Scribble
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2077 Posts
November 21 2011 02:40 GMT
#17177
On November 21 2011 11:37 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 11:29 Divine_ wrote:
On November 21 2011 11:27 supraWman wrote:
On November 21 2011 11:24 kurrysauce wrote:
Crowd was horrible imo

I cringed a little whenever I watched Naniwa come out on stage pre game or post game because the crowd would boo him for no reason. On top of that , so many people B lined for the doors as soon as leenock won. what the hell?

I agree. I also think that booing players is really unacceptable. I thought the starcraft community was better than that.

Maybe that's one of the reasons as to why Starcraft has been so popular in Korea for many years now and not in the western world. Their culture is more about politeness and respect - as soon as it comes to us we start seeing unacceptable and disgusting things like booing a player off stage. People will have to grow up just a little more if E-sports is going to have it's great breakthrough outside of Korea.

EDIT: I realize i sound very pessimistic in my post - i do not by all means accuse everyone in the starcraft community of doing those things. It just makes me sick when some people do, though.

That's also because players in Korea have a lot more respect for each other and enjoy a healthy competition, it's not only about the community. In Korea there's no one like Idra, no one like LaLuSh, no one like NaNi, could go on. In Korea "BM" is just funny. Things like murloc costumes, MC dancing in the middle of the stage, nerds doing the marine dance, FBH going in the water like a madman, even the throat slash MC gave Idra that many people consider BMish was just a funny way to entice the crowd, you can just tell.

Meanwhile, you get Idra giving the finger to HuK/MC, stuff like that, in the foreigner scene. That's not healthy competition imo, this is why Korean SC is so loved. Actually, I'd be surprised to ever see NesTea again at a foreigner event, he must have been so dissapointed.

Respect in western world's competition is normally secondary to everything else, and not really a priority, in Korea, respect goes first.

Grubby and White-Ra are the icons everyone should follow, not Idra/NaNi/Lalush etc.


I'm confused about the Nestea thing? Are you referring to the manufactured Naniwa drama that turned out to be a miscommunication and ended up with the two of them talking and being fine?


Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
November 21 2011 02:41 GMT
#17178
On November 21 2011 11:39 HowardRoark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 11:34 Femari wrote:
On November 21 2011 11:34 StarStruck wrote:
On November 21 2011 11:32 Femari wrote:
On November 21 2011 11:31 jj33 wrote:
On November 21 2011 11:29 below66 wrote:
You can seriously tell how many low level players there are with strong opinions by the way the discussion and complaining goes in these threads.


yes.

and all the people who are complaining and whining about leenock winning "unhonourably"

hahaha, when there is money on the line anything goes and he did nothing unhonourable.


are they seriously complaining about leenock winning unhonourably with what naniwa did yesterday?


Heat of the moment man you see shit like that all the time with everyone else. Naniwa is no different. It only makes him human, so I wouldn't keep picking at that bone.

you see people sneaking peeks at replays to figure out what build the opponent is using?

since when?

This is really an hot potato if what StarStruck posted is true. This sneakypeaky at high level WoL, is it actually something common? Seems like some huge news. Are you a whistle blower, or maybe you were referring to something else?

Multiple people confirmed that Naniwa pulled up the replay of a game that was restarted (g3 v Nestea on Shak) due to it starting when on a commercial break.
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hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
November 21 2011 02:41 GMT
#17179
The booing and cheating accusations (and all the other sc2 witch hunts in the past) made me pissed. I don't watch sc2 in order to get pissed and hence, I will stick with gsl and pro league from now on. GG leenock, he's gonna be kicking a lot of asses in his future. :D
Stijx
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States804 Posts
November 21 2011 02:41 GMT
#17180
I find the booing of Naniwa to be absolutely disgusting. Disgraceful...
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