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Here we go again. This weekend is about good games and good fun. Don't rain on that parade. Play nice guys. Here's the very standard and friendly:
- NO Balance Whine.
- NO Player Bashing.
- NO Caster Bashing.
- NO BM whatsoever.
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On November 21 2011 11:37 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:30 StarStruck wrote:On November 21 2011 11:27 mjnbowlgod wrote:
the bigger question might be is... whats the future for terrens now? Terrans will be fine. It's one tournament. Actually it's not just one tournament, at all. Terrans will be totally fine. But it's certainly not just this tournament that they have seemed decidedly less OP. Seems like only yesterday that both ZvT and PvT were being decried as unwinnable by many a scrub, and I don't mean to rub it in but kindly suck it, balance whiners. That's right, I even play terran and I'm happy terran isn't winning because maybe now people might shut up and wait more than a week before deciding absolutely that a race is overpowered, and that anyone who argues against that 'fact' is delusional or biased. Ah but terran got nerfed, right? That must be it. It must have been that EMP radius nerf that stopped the terran freight train of winning everything. You guys were right; we do need patches to fix the game, as soon as possible, let's definitely not wait to see if the metagame stabilizes. After all if a race has a winrate above 50% for any period of time, they must be overpowered. It's maths. It's not like that's supposed to happen in an asymmetrical RTS. I'll shut up now. But I had to let that out. I don't mean to be smug. But I fucking am.
the problem with your logic is that winrate percentage overall is much different than the actual balance. some races are easier to play and thus have higher winrates in lower leagues as well as the fact that there is a major major difference between how pro tourny games go and how bronze league games go. so overall balance honestly means absolutely nothing since it includes total win rate percentage across all leagues.
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39 games 34 won 5 lost
1 to MMA
3 to DRG
1 to Naniwa
Incredible!
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On November 21 2011 11:36 Belisarius wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:30 The KY wrote:On November 21 2011 11:28 Belisarius wrote:On November 21 2011 11:17 Artok wrote:On November 21 2011 11:15 iamthedave wrote:On November 21 2011 11:13 BarbieHsu wrote:On November 21 2011 11:12 Petrina wrote:On November 21 2011 11:09 Belisarius wrote:
lol. Leenock actually is destroying TL. I'm impressed.
This puts Nani in an interesting position. An awful, awful lot of people are going to claim he doesn't deserve the code S he gets from this. The Nestea drama, getting bounced from code A a billion times, and his compete failure to adapt in the final games there... none of that looks good.
I think he has one shot, and one shot only when he walks into code S. If he proves himself, he deserves it. If he's bounced again, I think that's just about it for him in the court of public opinion, especially to the netizens. Don't be so dramatic. He proved himself many many times. He does not have to "prove" himself anymore. And you do not speak for "netizens", do you? You certainly don't speak for me. Where do you come up with those definitive afirmations: "that's just about it for him in the court of public opinion"? Please... He deserves Code S. I just don't want him there. Actually I agree with the first poster. If Naniwa bounces a 4th time, it's not exactly something we can ignore. ya, go and burn him, oh wait, you are just silver league tl guy that doesnt even matter. User was temp banned for this post. I'm going to reply to Petrina since the last guy got banned. I appreciate that an LR thread isn't the place to have a serious discussion since everyone's blood is running hot, but you're really in no position to go off like that. Calm down. I rather like Nani. I'm protoss, he's not my favourite player, but I'm glad to see any P do well. But what I really don't like to see is foreigners fail over and over again in the GSL. It makes the MLG program look like a joke when pretty much nobody gets out of the first round of code A after being flown over. Nani has had this happen more times than any other, and now after doing so he's jumped the queue in just three sets and is now in code S. Of course I don't speak for the netizens, but it's not like you do either, and I think it's pretty undeniable that a lot of people really don't like him. If you need proof, just look at the crowd. It also doesn't take a rocket scientist to realise he's going to cop a lot of heat from Korean audiences for the nestea fiasco. With a reputation like his, and a history like his, getting smashed out of code S next season would damage his legitimacy almost to the point of no return for a ton of fans. It's make or break time next season, I think. I already replied to your other post, and apparently you missed it, but what Nestea fiasco? There's a thread floating around where it is explained in detail why Naniwa didn't cheat and didn't mean to be bm, and that he and Nestea were interacting (if not talking - language barrier) on good terms when not on stage. It's pretty easy to miss posts in this thread. I did try to check. That's the thing though, it's not really about what's reality, it's what it looks like. Nani looks like the bad boy who delayed a game forever, argued with officials, pulled up a replay mid-match and then gave nestea the thumb-down after he won. That's what was on screen. That looks really suss. Nani's explanation/apology/whatever on TL is not going to make it to playxp in any accurate form. Even on TL/reddit, a bunch of people are still going to scoff and say he shouldn't have been allowed to have a coach in his booth after game-start. It's the perception which comes through that's important, and that little bit of drama doesn't help him.
Totally understand about missing the post, wasn't blaming you.
But I totally disagree about what's important...if some redditers or whiny playxp posters want to talk shit about something they don't actually know about, who cares. They're still wrong. What's important as far as I am concerned is that Naniwa deserves his Code S spot as much as MC did last MLG, no one can take it away from him, and what someone too lazy to actually look into it percieves happened is, to me and hopefully to Naniwa, not important in the slightest.
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On November 21 2011 11:35 DisaFear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:31 drdreggor wrote:leenock deserved it mores, and people are glad that he won. he did what naniwa did in the first mlg of 2011. now that naniwa has gotten fat, he started slumping Get out! Funny thing is that naniwa has gotten really skinny and handsome lately!  He looks like a wolf More like Wolf. ;-P
DRG needs a special prize for being the only one to beat Leenock in a Bo3.
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On November 21 2011 11:38 dapierow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:36 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:35 AySz88 wrote:On November 21 2011 11:33 dapierow wrote:
Quick question, how did they decide on who got higher final rank for prize pool for Idra/Haypro and Mc/Huk They played games to break the tie, though the MLG twitter said that Idra/Haypro was some sort of default win for Haypro (dunno why Idra got DQ'd). idra probably didnt want to play Hmmm weird, I knew he was disappointed at his results but didnt think that would stop him from pursuing another 750$. Thats really disturbing now that i think about it actually.
dont read into it too much. he took the loss hard (its the fking championships) and 750 is nothing for him.
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Awesome mlg. I haven't been interested in SC2 in months but saw the stream links and decided to check it out and ended up watching all weekend.
Naniwa actually made the event for me, I was disinterested when I started watching but he gave me someone to root against. And since he lasted so long I was in suspense literally until the very end. I feel bad for him now though; he had fantastic performance but the drama overshadowed his achievements, and the booing was uncalled for.
gg
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On November 21 2011 11:39 HowardRoark wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:34 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:34 StarStruck wrote:On November 21 2011 11:32 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:31 jj33 wrote:On November 21 2011 11:29 below66 wrote:
You can seriously tell how many low level players there are with strong opinions by the way the discussion and complaining goes in these threads. yes. and all the people who are complaining and whining about leenock winning "unhonourably" hahaha, when there is money on the line anything goes and he did nothing unhonourable. are they seriously complaining about leenock winning unhonourably with what naniwa did yesterday? Heat of the moment man you see shit like that all the time with everyone else. Naniwa is no different. It only makes him human, so I wouldn't keep picking at that bone. you see people sneaking peeks at replays to figure out what build the opponent is using? since when? This is really an hot potato if what StarStruck posted is true. This sneakypeaky at high level WoL, is it actually something common? Seems like some huge news. Are you a whistle blower, or maybe you were referring to something else?
It`s allowed to watch replays in between games at MLG.
You also assume the motivation of him watching the replay and do not take into account the situation of the first game.
This is getting old.
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On November 21 2011 11:41 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:39 HowardRoark wrote:On November 21 2011 11:34 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:34 StarStruck wrote:On November 21 2011 11:32 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:31 jj33 wrote:On November 21 2011 11:29 below66 wrote:
You can seriously tell how many low level players there are with strong opinions by the way the discussion and complaining goes in these threads. yes. and all the people who are complaining and whining about leenock winning "unhonourably" hahaha, when there is money on the line anything goes and he did nothing unhonourable. are they seriously complaining about leenock winning unhonourably with what naniwa did yesterday? Heat of the moment man you see shit like that all the time with everyone else. Naniwa is no different. It only makes him human, so I wouldn't keep picking at that bone. you see people sneaking peeks at replays to figure out what build the opponent is using? since when? This is really an hot potato if what StarStruck posted is true. This sneakypeaky at high level WoL, is it actually something common? Seems like some huge news. Are you a whistle blower, or maybe you were referring to something else? Multiple people confirmed that Naniwa pulled up the replay of a game that was restarted (g3 v Nestea on Shak) due to it starting when on a commercial break.
The replay that showed him what? The post-game screen shows build-orders anyway.
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when/why did they boo naniwa? sorry i did not catch the entire broadcast
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On November 21 2011 11:40 Scribble wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:37 mordk wrote:On November 21 2011 11:29 Divine_ wrote:On November 21 2011 11:27 supraWman wrote:On November 21 2011 11:24 kurrysauce wrote:
Crowd was horrible imo
I cringed a little whenever I watched Naniwa come out on stage pre game or post game because the crowd would boo him for no reason. On top of that , so many people B lined for the doors as soon as leenock won. what the hell? I agree. I also think that booing players is really unacceptable. I thought the starcraft community was better than that. Maybe that's one of the reasons as to why Starcraft has been so popular in Korea for many years now and not in the western world. Their culture is more about politeness and respect - as soon as it comes to us we start seeing unacceptable and disgusting things like booing a player off stage. People will have to grow up just a little more if E-sports is going to have it's great breakthrough outside of Korea. EDIT: I realize i sound very pessimistic in my post - i do not by all means accuse everyone in the starcraft community of doing those things. It just makes me sick when some people do, though. That's also because players in Korea have a lot more respect for each other and enjoy a healthy competition, it's not only about the community. In Korea there's no one like Idra, no one like LaLuSh, no one like NaNi, could go on. In Korea "BM" is just funny. Things like murloc costumes, MC dancing in the middle of the stage, nerds doing the marine dance, FBH going in the water like a madman, even the throat slash MC gave Idra that many people consider BMish was just a funny way to entice the crowd, you can just tell. Meanwhile, you get Idra giving the finger to HuK/MC, stuff like that, in the foreigner scene. That's not healthy competition imo, this is why Korean SC is so loved. Actually, I'd be surprised to ever see NesTea again at a foreigner event, he must have been so dissapointed. Respect in western world's competition is normally secondary to everything else, and not really a priority, in Korea, respect goes first. Grubby and White-Ra are the icons everyone should follow, not Idra/NaNi/Lalush etc. I'm confused about the Nestea thing? Are you referring to the manufactured Naniwa drama that turned out to be a miscommunication and ended up with the two of them talking and being fine?
Yep, that same thing. No matter the outcome, the whole situation was just bad and reflects on mentality a lot. You can even see it in the nani interview, he goes: "I just think rivalries add so much to the game for the fans" which is right, but foreigners usually do it the wrong way.
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oGsMC 장민철
MLG MAKE NEW SUPERSTAR HE NAME IS LEENOCK CONGRATULATIONS
:D
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On November 21 2011 11:41 karis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:37 The KY wrote:On November 21 2011 11:30 StarStruck wrote:On November 21 2011 11:27 mjnbowlgod wrote:
the bigger question might be is... whats the future for terrens now? Terrans will be fine. It's one tournament. Actually it's not just one tournament, at all. Terrans will be totally fine. But it's certainly not just this tournament that they have seemed decidedly less OP. Seems like only yesterday that both ZvT and PvT were being decried as unwinnable by many a scrub, and I don't mean to rub it in but kindly suck it, balance whiners. That's right, I even play terran and I'm happy terran isn't winning because maybe now people might shut up and wait more than a week before deciding absolutely that a race is overpowered, and that anyone who argues against that 'fact' is delusional or biased. Ah but terran got nerfed, right? That must be it. It must have been that EMP radius nerf that stopped the terran freight train of winning everything. You guys were right; we do need patches to fix the game, as soon as possible, let's definitely not wait to see if the metagame stabilizes. After all if a race has a winrate above 50% for any period of time, they must be overpowered. It's maths. It's not like that's supposed to happen in an asymmetrical RTS. I'll shut up now. But I had to let that out. I don't mean to be smug. But I fucking am. the problem with your logic is that winrate percentage overall is much different than the actual balance. some races are easier to play and thus have higher winrates in lower leagues as well as the fact that there is a major major difference between how pro tourny games go and how bronze league games go. so overall balance honestly means absolutely nothing if you look at total win rate percentage across all leagues.
I'm talking balance in the highest levels of play, I honestly don't give a fuck if terran is easier at bronze level (I don't even think it is, but if it is I don't care). I don't mean to be rude or even dismissive; I just genuinely don't think it matters all too much.
But if we are going down that road, aren't Blizzard real proud of their 50% win rates across most leagues in most regions? I believe it was only in the highest leagues on KR that terran was winning disproportionately, and in EU zerg was winning about 60% against protoss in masters/grand masters.
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On November 21 2011 11:42 VirgilSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:41 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:39 HowardRoark wrote:On November 21 2011 11:34 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:34 StarStruck wrote:On November 21 2011 11:32 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:31 jj33 wrote:On November 21 2011 11:29 below66 wrote:
You can seriously tell how many low level players there are with strong opinions by the way the discussion and complaining goes in these threads. yes. and all the people who are complaining and whining about leenock winning "unhonourably" hahaha, when there is money on the line anything goes and he did nothing unhonourable. are they seriously complaining about leenock winning unhonourably with what naniwa did yesterday? Heat of the moment man you see shit like that all the time with everyone else. Naniwa is no different. It only makes him human, so I wouldn't keep picking at that bone. you see people sneaking peeks at replays to figure out what build the opponent is using? since when? This is really an hot potato if what StarStruck posted is true. This sneakypeaky at high level WoL, is it actually something common? Seems like some huge news. Are you a whistle blower, or maybe you were referring to something else? Multiple people confirmed that Naniwa pulled up the replay of a game that was restarted (g3 v Nestea on Shak) due to it starting when on a commercial break. The replay that showed him what? The post-game screen shows build-orders anyway.
Yeah so? The point is that he was the cause of restarting the game and that people calling Leenock punishing Naniwa's greed "dishonourable" is ridiculous considering what Naniwa did to Nestea.
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On November 21 2011 11:42 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:40 Scribble wrote:On November 21 2011 11:37 mordk wrote:On November 21 2011 11:29 Divine_ wrote:On November 21 2011 11:27 supraWman wrote:On November 21 2011 11:24 kurrysauce wrote:
Crowd was horrible imo
I cringed a little whenever I watched Naniwa come out on stage pre game or post game because the crowd would boo him for no reason. On top of that , so many people B lined for the doors as soon as leenock won. what the hell? I agree. I also think that booing players is really unacceptable. I thought the starcraft community was better than that. Maybe that's one of the reasons as to why Starcraft has been so popular in Korea for many years now and not in the western world. Their culture is more about politeness and respect - as soon as it comes to us we start seeing unacceptable and disgusting things like booing a player off stage. People will have to grow up just a little more if E-sports is going to have it's great breakthrough outside of Korea. EDIT: I realize i sound very pessimistic in my post - i do not by all means accuse everyone in the starcraft community of doing those things. It just makes me sick when some people do, though. That's also because players in Korea have a lot more respect for each other and enjoy a healthy competition, it's not only about the community. In Korea there's no one like Idra, no one like LaLuSh, no one like NaNi, could go on. In Korea "BM" is just funny. Things like murloc costumes, MC dancing in the middle of the stage, nerds doing the marine dance, FBH going in the water like a madman, even the throat slash MC gave Idra that many people consider BMish was just a funny way to entice the crowd, you can just tell. Meanwhile, you get Idra giving the finger to HuK/MC, stuff like that, in the foreigner scene. That's not healthy competition imo, this is why Korean SC is so loved. Actually, I'd be surprised to ever see NesTea again at a foreigner event, he must have been so dissapointed. Respect in western world's competition is normally secondary to everything else, and not really a priority, in Korea, respect goes first. Grubby and White-Ra are the icons everyone should follow, not Idra/NaNi/Lalush etc. I'm confused about the Nestea thing? Are you referring to the manufactured Naniwa drama that turned out to be a miscommunication and ended up with the two of them talking and being fine? Yep, that same thing. No matter the outcome, the whole situation was just bad and reflects on mentality a lot. You can even see it in the nani interview, he goes: "I just think rivalries add so much to the game for the fans" which is right, but foreigners usually do it the wrong way.
sorry but people need to stfu about the nani v nestea thing. they are over it. we should be over it.
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On November 21 2011 11:41 figq wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:35 DisaFear wrote:On November 21 2011 11:31 drdreggor wrote:leenock deserved it mores, and people are glad that he won. he did what naniwa did in the first mlg of 2011. now that naniwa has gotten fat, he started slumping Get out! Funny thing is that naniwa has gotten really skinny and handsome lately! He looks like a wolf More like Wolf. ;-P DRG needs a special prize for being the only one to beat Leenock in a Bo3.
http://www.shockya.com/news/wp-content/uploads/wolf-band-photo.jpg
eh dosn't really look like any members of wolf at least in my opinion.
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On November 21 2011 11:22 below66 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:21 ffadicted wrote:
For those interested:
Leenock 2 - 0 Infernozz
Leenock 2 - 0 duckyr
Leenock 2 - 0 Drewbie
Leenock 2 - 0 Oz
Leenock 2 - 0 Gatored
Leenock 2 - 0 State
Leenock 2 - 0 Haypro
Leenock 2 - 0 Boxer
Leenock 2 - 0 Slush
Leenock 2 - 1 MMA
Leenock 2 - 0 Idra
Leenock 2 - 0 Huk
Leenock 4 - 3 Dongraegu
Leenock 4 - 1 Naniwa
Total Record: 32 - 5 (86.4%)
Leenock is ok I guess Dam, that really puts into perspective how beastly he did.
Wow unbelievable! He may be the underdog but he definitely deserved the win! Nice one Leenock!
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On November 21 2011 11:42 VirgilSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:41 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:39 HowardRoark wrote:On November 21 2011 11:34 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:34 StarStruck wrote:On November 21 2011 11:32 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:31 jj33 wrote:On November 21 2011 11:29 below66 wrote:
You can seriously tell how many low level players there are with strong opinions by the way the discussion and complaining goes in these threads. yes. and all the people who are complaining and whining about leenock winning "unhonourably" hahaha, when there is money on the line anything goes and he did nothing unhonourable. are they seriously complaining about leenock winning unhonourably with what naniwa did yesterday? Heat of the moment man you see shit like that all the time with everyone else. Naniwa is no different. It only makes him human, so I wouldn't keep picking at that bone. you see people sneaking peeks at replays to figure out what build the opponent is using? since when? This is really an hot potato if what StarStruck posted is true. This sneakypeaky at high level WoL, is it actually something common? Seems like some huge news. Are you a whistle blower, or maybe you were referring to something else? Multiple people confirmed that Naniwa pulled up the replay of a game that was restarted (g3 v Nestea on Shak) due to it starting when on a commercial break. The replay that showed him what? The post-game screen shows build-orders anyway. If all the information he needed was in the post-game screen, he wouldn't have watched the replay though.
(but I don't think it can really be considered his fault, and in the future I'm sure MLG will be careful with that)
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On November 21 2011 11:44 Golgotha wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:42 mordk wrote:On November 21 2011 11:40 Scribble wrote:On November 21 2011 11:37 mordk wrote:On November 21 2011 11:29 Divine_ wrote:On November 21 2011 11:27 supraWman wrote:On November 21 2011 11:24 kurrysauce wrote:
Crowd was horrible imo
I cringed a little whenever I watched Naniwa come out on stage pre game or post game because the crowd would boo him for no reason. On top of that , so many people B lined for the doors as soon as leenock won. what the hell? I agree. I also think that booing players is really unacceptable. I thought the starcraft community was better than that. Maybe that's one of the reasons as to why Starcraft has been so popular in Korea for many years now and not in the western world. Their culture is more about politeness and respect - as soon as it comes to us we start seeing unacceptable and disgusting things like booing a player off stage. People will have to grow up just a little more if E-sports is going to have it's great breakthrough outside of Korea. EDIT: I realize i sound very pessimistic in my post - i do not by all means accuse everyone in the starcraft community of doing those things. It just makes me sick when some people do, though. That's also because players in Korea have a lot more respect for each other and enjoy a healthy competition, it's not only about the community. In Korea there's no one like Idra, no one like LaLuSh, no one like NaNi, could go on. In Korea "BM" is just funny. Things like murloc costumes, MC dancing in the middle of the stage, nerds doing the marine dance, FBH going in the water like a madman, even the throat slash MC gave Idra that many people consider BMish was just a funny way to entice the crowd, you can just tell. Meanwhile, you get Idra giving the finger to HuK/MC, stuff like that, in the foreigner scene. That's not healthy competition imo, this is why Korean SC is so loved. Actually, I'd be surprised to ever see NesTea again at a foreigner event, he must have been so dissapointed. Respect in western world's competition is normally secondary to everything else, and not really a priority, in Korea, respect goes first. Grubby and White-Ra are the icons everyone should follow, not Idra/NaNi/Lalush etc. I'm confused about the Nestea thing? Are you referring to the manufactured Naniwa drama that turned out to be a miscommunication and ended up with the two of them talking and being fine? Yep, that same thing. No matter the outcome, the whole situation was just bad and reflects on mentality a lot. You can even see it in the nani interview, he goes: "I just think rivalries add so much to the game for the fans" which is right, but foreigners usually do it the wrong way. sorry but people need to stfu about the nani v nestea thing. they are over it. we should be over it.
You should read the context, the discussion is not about that situation in particular, it's obviously over.
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On November 21 2011 11:41 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:36 Belisarius wrote:On November 21 2011 11:30 The KY wrote:On November 21 2011 11:28 Belisarius wrote:On November 21 2011 11:17 Artok wrote:On November 21 2011 11:15 iamthedave wrote:On November 21 2011 11:13 BarbieHsu wrote:On November 21 2011 11:12 Petrina wrote:On November 21 2011 11:09 Belisarius wrote:
lol. Leenock actually is destroying TL. I'm impressed.
This puts Nani in an interesting position. An awful, awful lot of people are going to claim he doesn't deserve the code S he gets from this. The Nestea drama, getting bounced from code A a billion times, and his compete failure to adapt in the final games there... none of that looks good.
I think he has one shot, and one shot only when he walks into code S. If he proves himself, he deserves it. If he's bounced again, I think that's just about it for him in the court of public opinion, especially to the netizens. Don't be so dramatic. He proved himself many many times. He does not have to "prove" himself anymore. And you do not speak for "netizens", do you? You certainly don't speak for me. Where do you come up with those definitive afirmations: "that's just about it for him in the court of public opinion"? Please... He deserves Code S. I just don't want him there. Actually I agree with the first poster. If Naniwa bounces a 4th time, it's not exactly something we can ignore. ya, go and burn him, oh wait, you are just silver league tl guy that doesnt even matter. User was temp banned for this post. I'm going to reply to Petrina since the last guy got banned. I appreciate that an LR thread isn't the place to have a serious discussion since everyone's blood is running hot, but you're really in no position to go off like that. Calm down. I rather like Nani. I'm protoss, he's not my favourite player, but I'm glad to see any P do well. But what I really don't like to see is foreigners fail over and over again in the GSL. It makes the MLG program look like a joke when pretty much nobody gets out of the first round of code A after being flown over. Nani has had this happen more times than any other, and now after doing so he's jumped the queue in just three sets and is now in code S. Of course I don't speak for the netizens, but it's not like you do either, and I think it's pretty undeniable that a lot of people really don't like him. If you need proof, just look at the crowd. It also doesn't take a rocket scientist to realise he's going to cop a lot of heat from Korean audiences for the nestea fiasco. With a reputation like his, and a history like his, getting smashed out of code S next season would damage his legitimacy almost to the point of no return for a ton of fans. It's make or break time next season, I think. I already replied to your other post, and apparently you missed it, but what Nestea fiasco? There's a thread floating around where it is explained in detail why Naniwa didn't cheat and didn't mean to be bm, and that he and Nestea were interacting (if not talking - language barrier) on good terms when not on stage. It's pretty easy to miss posts in this thread. I did try to check. That's the thing though, it's not really about what's reality, it's what it looks like. Nani looks like the bad boy who delayed a game forever, argued with officials, pulled up a replay mid-match and then gave nestea the thumb-down after he won. That's what was on screen. That looks really suss. Nani's explanation/apology/whatever on TL is not going to make it to playxp in any accurate form. Even on TL/reddit, a bunch of people are still going to scoff and say he shouldn't have been allowed to have a coach in his booth after game-start. It's the perception which comes through that's important, and that little bit of drama doesn't help him. Totally understand about missing the post, wasn't blaming you. But I totally disagree about what's important...if some redditers or whiny playxp posters want to talk shit about something they don't actually know about, who cares. They're still wrong. What's important as far as I am concerned is that Naniwa deserves his Code S spot as much as MC did last MLG, no one can take it away from him, and what someone too lazy to actually look into it percieves happened is, to me and hopefully to Naniwa, not important in the slightest.
Sure, that's fine. I think he deserves it as well. He fought for it and he beat a string of absolutely top class players to get there, even if he choked at the end. I'm just worried he won't be able to stand up when he gets back to Korea, and what it will look like if he does bounce out, for him personally, for the MLG-GSL exchange as a program, and for the whole foreign legitimacy shebang in general.
I think he deserves to be where he is. I hope he does well and I hope he redeems himself. But I think he needs redemption.
Fine if you don't agree, but I think fans are important. You can even see that in how against him the crowd was, and how much that seemed to affect him. They might be ignorant, but that doesn't stop them mattering.
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On November 21 2011 11:44 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:42 VirgilSC2 wrote:On November 21 2011 11:41 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:39 HowardRoark wrote:On November 21 2011 11:34 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:34 StarStruck wrote:On November 21 2011 11:32 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:31 jj33 wrote:On November 21 2011 11:29 below66 wrote:
You can seriously tell how many low level players there are with strong opinions by the way the discussion and complaining goes in these threads. yes. and all the people who are complaining and whining about leenock winning "unhonourably" hahaha, when there is money on the line anything goes and he did nothing unhonourable. are they seriously complaining about leenock winning unhonourably with what naniwa did yesterday? Heat of the moment man you see shit like that all the time with everyone else. Naniwa is no different. It only makes him human, so I wouldn't keep picking at that bone. you see people sneaking peeks at replays to figure out what build the opponent is using? since when? This is really an hot potato if what StarStruck posted is true. This sneakypeaky at high level WoL, is it actually something common? Seems like some huge news. Are you a whistle blower, or maybe you were referring to something else? Multiple people confirmed that Naniwa pulled up the replay of a game that was restarted (g3 v Nestea on Shak) due to it starting when on a commercial break. The replay that showed him what? The post-game screen shows build-orders anyway. Yeah so? The point is that he was the cause of restarting the game and that people calling Leenock punishing Naniwa's greed "dishonourable" is ridiculous considering what Naniwa did to Nestea.
What did he do? Please elaborate on your accusations.
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