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Here we go again. This weekend is about good games and good fun. Don't rain on that parade. Play nice guys. Here's the very standard and friendly:
- NO Balance Whine.
- NO Player Bashing.
- NO Caster Bashing.
- NO BM whatsoever.
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On November 21 2011 11:50 Anton K wrote:
What could have been the best tournament in the world was ruined for me by the fact of discusting behaviour from people in the audience booing Naniwa. Not only booing but laughing when he did mistakes.. And the hate he has been getting here on TL, Reddit and pms on Twitter I'd be surprised if that didnt tilt him. You could see after he beat HuK and DRG that he looked ashamed. He looked like he thought everyone hated him.
I take no credit away from Leenok. He exploited naniwas only weakness and you play this game to win not to give crowds entertainting games. Leenok is an absolutily amazing player and I am happy for him!
I guess I am really upset because I wanted Naniwa to throw the victory in all the haters face. All the people saying even though he beat Nestea TWICE in a bo3 that he is a noob, scrub that can't even get past the round 1 in Code A.
The behaviour of the MLG crowd, Reddit and TL should fucking be ashamed of themselves. You all hold Naniwa so accountable for his actions but look at your fucking self.
I can't wait for Dreamhack where I and alot of other swedes will be. Fuck I am gonna scream my lungs out for you Naniwa! Atleast he has a Code S spot now and I think we will be able to see our first foreigner Code S champion pretty soon.
I hold those who get paid to play a game to high standards. I'm sorry if you don't like Nani getting boo'd, but it's hypocritical to be BM to Nestea and to the tournament and expect everyone to be completely respectful to him.
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On November 21 2011 11:51 mvtaylor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:49 Wallstreet11 wrote:On November 21 2011 11:42 Grend wrote:On November 21 2011 11:39 HowardRoark wrote:On November 21 2011 11:34 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:34 StarStruck wrote:On November 21 2011 11:32 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:31 jj33 wrote:On November 21 2011 11:29 below66 wrote:
You can seriously tell how many low level players there are with strong opinions by the way the discussion and complaining goes in these threads. yes. and all the people who are complaining and whining about leenock winning "unhonourably" hahaha, when there is money on the line anything goes and he did nothing unhonourable. are they seriously complaining about leenock winning unhonourably with what naniwa did yesterday? Heat of the moment man you see shit like that all the time with everyone else. Naniwa is no different. It only makes him human, so I wouldn't keep picking at that bone. you see people sneaking peeks at replays to figure out what build the opponent is using? since when? This is really an hot potato if what StarStruck posted is true. This sneakypeaky at high level WoL, is it actually something common? Seems like some huge news. Are you a whistle blower, or maybe you were referring to something else? It`s allowed to watch replays in between games at MLG. You also assume the motivation of him watching the replay and do not take into account the situation of the first game. This is getting old. And think about all the times Naniwa was told the maps were a different version. At least two times, he scouted the wrong place cause he think it as a different map version  No, he wasn't. Check the MLG statement where they explicitly state no one told him it was cross spawns only
My take on it is that Naniwa interpreted something the admins said in such a was as to think it was cross positions.
It`s quite feasible. Naniwa is swedish and english is his secondary language, and he does not seem to be the most socially skilled person either so I can easily imagine a scenario where he misinterpreted something one of the admins said.
This also solves the mystery of why someone would lie about this. It`s not really a big deal so I cannot fathom why either Naniwa or the MLG Staff would bother staking their reputation on denying this. This also correlates well with what MLG_Adam posted.
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Naniwa for pres!
Him and Huk shows that koreans are not special and that foreigners with the same training partners/schedules can beat any of the top koreans. Then we have the master mind Stephano who is just a natural born killer.
All this flak for not kissing everyones ass is so sad. Naniwa is just speaking his mind. I bet all the koreans there gave Leenock tips of how to beat Naniwas usual build cause all koreans think so highly of themselves(DRG wasn´t even rooting for his teammate)...
I recall Idra saying that the koreans were hypocrites(spelling) and that they were at least as BM as himself except for when the public were watching... This makes it even more disgusting when people are booing Naniwa for not even being that BM.
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On November 21 2011 11:54 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:52 The KY wrote:On November 21 2011 11:45 Grend wrote:On November 21 2011 11:44 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:42 VirgilSC2 wrote:On November 21 2011 11:41 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:39 HowardRoark wrote:On November 21 2011 11:34 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:34 StarStruck wrote:On November 21 2011 11:32 Femari wrote:
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are they seriously complaining about leenock winning unhonourably with what naniwa did yesterday? Heat of the moment man you see shit like that all the time with everyone else. Naniwa is no different. It only makes him human, so I wouldn't keep picking at that bone. you see people sneaking peeks at replays to figure out what build the opponent is using? since when? This is really an hot potato if what StarStruck posted is true. This sneakypeaky at high level WoL, is it actually something common? Seems like some huge news. Are you a whistle blower, or maybe you were referring to something else? Multiple people confirmed that Naniwa pulled up the replay of a game that was restarted (g3 v Nestea on Shak) due to it starting when on a commercial break. The replay that showed him what? The post-game screen shows build-orders anyway. Yeah so? The point is that he was the cause of restarting the game and that people calling Leenock punishing Naniwa's greed "dishonourable" is ridiculous considering what Naniwa did to Nestea. What did he do? Please elaborate on your accusations. There's a thread about it where an MLG official, I'm pretty sure it was Adam, gives his version of events and explains why he absolutely doesn't think Naniwa did anything wrong. It's in very great detail, I recommend anyone who thinks Naniwa is a cheater doesn't talk about it until they have read it. Oh he is definitely not a cheater. He broke no rules other than possibly badmouthing MLG (which by interpretation can be a technical) You have to break rules to be a cheater.
So what's the problem? :/
What did Nani do dishonourably?
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I'm too tired to write something long and beautiful, so I'm just gonna keep it to the point.
Big congratulations to Leenock, Naniwa and Haypro(!) for your amazing runs.
Stay awesome, MC.
Well done casters.
Fuck you MLG player for going black on me all the time.
Thank you MLG for providing all these awesome games.
Love to the LR-mods and hate to all of you who make them have to work.
And..eh..yeah, great weekend. 
'til next time, ta ta
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On November 21 2011 11:57 Wallstreet11 wrote:
I recall Idra saying that the koreans were hypocrites(spelling) and that they were at least as BM as himself except for when the public were watching... This makes it even more disgusting when people are booing Naniwa for not even being that BM.
I feel like calling the tournament all of these people are watching, the one that eventually handed him a 25000 dollar check, a joke tournament on stage in front of a crowd is quite worthy of some backlash. Feel like this is being extremely overlooked.
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On November 21 2011 11:57 Wallstreet11 wrote:
Naniwa for pres!
Him and Huk shows that koreans are not special and that foreigners with the same training partners/schedules can beat any of the top koreans. Then we have the master mind Stephano who is just a natural born killer.
All this flak for not kissing everyones ass is so sad. Naniwa is just speaking his mind. I bet all the koreans there gave Leenock tips of how to beat Naniwas usual build cause all koreans think so highly of themselves(DRG wasn´t even rooting for his teammate)...
I recall Idra saying that the koreans were hypocrites(spelling) and that they were at least as BM as himself except for when the public were watching... This makes it even more disgusting when people are booing Naniwa for not even being that BM.
Idra hates pretty much everyone, I'd take anything he says with a grain of salt. It could be partly true, it's what most people do anyways.
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Kinda agree with some of the backlash, but then again it's Naniwa, he's not exactly known for his manner :D
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On November 21 2011 11:55 diophan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:50 Anton K wrote:
What could have been the best tournament in the world was ruined for me by the fact of discusting behaviour from people in the audience booing Naniwa. Not only booing but laughing when he did mistakes.. And the hate he has been getting here on TL, Reddit and pms on Twitter I'd be surprised if that didnt tilt him. You could see after he beat HuK and DRG that he looked ashamed. He looked like he thought everyone hated him.
I take no credit away from Leenok. He exploited naniwas only weakness and you play this game to win not to give crowds entertainting games. Leenok is an absolutily amazing player and I am happy for him!
I guess I am really upset because I wanted Naniwa to throw the victory in all the haters face. All the people saying even though he beat Nestea TWICE in a bo3 that he is a noob, scrub that can't even get past the round 1 in Code A.
The behaviour of the MLG crowd, Reddit and TL should fucking be ashamed of themselves. You all hold Naniwa so accountable for his actions but look at your fucking self.
I can't wait for Dreamhack where I and alot of other swedes will be. Fuck I am gonna scream my lungs out for you Naniwa! Atleast he has a Code S spot now and I think we will be able to see our first foreigner Code S champion pretty soon. I hold those who get paid to play a game to high standards. I'm sorry if you don't like Nani getting boo'd, but it's hypocritical to be BM to Nestea and to the tournament and expect everyone to be completely respectful to him.
Bollocks. Naniwa didn't bm Nestea, he did a little thumbs down ceremony when he beat him big whoop we've seen it done a hundred times.
Booing a player on stage is fucking unacceptable imo.
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On November 21 2011 12:00 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:55 diophan wrote:On November 21 2011 11:50 Anton K wrote:
What could have been the best tournament in the world was ruined for me by the fact of discusting behaviour from people in the audience booing Naniwa. Not only booing but laughing when he did mistakes.. And the hate he has been getting here on TL, Reddit and pms on Twitter I'd be surprised if that didnt tilt him. You could see after he beat HuK and DRG that he looked ashamed. He looked like he thought everyone hated him.
I take no credit away from Leenok. He exploited naniwas only weakness and you play this game to win not to give crowds entertainting games. Leenok is an absolutily amazing player and I am happy for him!
I guess I am really upset because I wanted Naniwa to throw the victory in all the haters face. All the people saying even though he beat Nestea TWICE in a bo3 that he is a noob, scrub that can't even get past the round 1 in Code A.
The behaviour of the MLG crowd, Reddit and TL should fucking be ashamed of themselves. You all hold Naniwa so accountable for his actions but look at your fucking self.
I can't wait for Dreamhack where I and alot of other swedes will be. Fuck I am gonna scream my lungs out for you Naniwa! Atleast he has a Code S spot now and I think we will be able to see our first foreigner Code S champion pretty soon. I hold those who get paid to play a game to high standards. I'm sorry if you don't like Nani getting boo'd, but it's hypocritical to be BM to Nestea and to the tournament and expect everyone to be completely respectful to him. Bollocks. Naniwa didn't bm Nestea, he did a little thumbs down ceremony when he beat him big whoop we've seen it done a hundred times. Booing a player on stage is fucking unacceptable imo.
The audience isn't allowed to express their opinion? I think trying to control an audience is the silliest and most utopic thing one could ever try to do. If you ever find yourself in the wrong side of an audience, you just gotta brace yourself and go through the storm.
Oh shit I became a High Templar and didn't even notice!
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Congratulations to Leenock! This MLG was fantastic as a lot of players I didn't expect to do well really shined and made a big statement. TL should be really proud of their players Hero and Haypro, they were exceptional.
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On November 21 2011 12:00 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:55 diophan wrote:On November 21 2011 11:50 Anton K wrote:
What could have been the best tournament in the world was ruined for me by the fact of discusting behaviour from people in the audience booing Naniwa. Not only booing but laughing when he did mistakes.. And the hate he has been getting here on TL, Reddit and pms on Twitter I'd be surprised if that didnt tilt him. You could see after he beat HuK and DRG that he looked ashamed. He looked like he thought everyone hated him.
I take no credit away from Leenok. He exploited naniwas only weakness and you play this game to win not to give crowds entertainting games. Leenok is an absolutily amazing player and I am happy for him!
I guess I am really upset because I wanted Naniwa to throw the victory in all the haters face. All the people saying even though he beat Nestea TWICE in a bo3 that he is a noob, scrub that can't even get past the round 1 in Code A.
The behaviour of the MLG crowd, Reddit and TL should fucking be ashamed of themselves. You all hold Naniwa so accountable for his actions but look at your fucking self.
I can't wait for Dreamhack where I and alot of other swedes will be. Fuck I am gonna scream my lungs out for you Naniwa! Atleast he has a Code S spot now and I think we will be able to see our first foreigner Code S champion pretty soon. I hold those who get paid to play a game to high standards. I'm sorry if you don't like Nani getting boo'd, but it's hypocritical to be BM to Nestea and to the tournament and expect everyone to be completely respectful to him. Bollocks. Naniwa didn't bm Nestea, he did a little thumbs down ceremony when he beat him big whoop we've seen it done a hundred times. Booing a player on stage is fucking unacceptable imo.
He accepted whatever repercussions he sowed with his joke tournament comment.
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On November 21 2011 12:00 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:55 diophan wrote:On November 21 2011 11:50 Anton K wrote:
What could have been the best tournament in the world was ruined for me by the fact of discusting behaviour from people in the audience booing Naniwa. Not only booing but laughing when he did mistakes.. And the hate he has been getting here on TL, Reddit and pms on Twitter I'd be surprised if that didnt tilt him. You could see after he beat HuK and DRG that he looked ashamed. He looked like he thought everyone hated him.
I take no credit away from Leenok. He exploited naniwas only weakness and you play this game to win not to give crowds entertainting games. Leenok is an absolutily amazing player and I am happy for him!
I guess I am really upset because I wanted Naniwa to throw the victory in all the haters face. All the people saying even though he beat Nestea TWICE in a bo3 that he is a noob, scrub that can't even get past the round 1 in Code A.
The behaviour of the MLG crowd, Reddit and TL should fucking be ashamed of themselves. You all hold Naniwa so accountable for his actions but look at your fucking self.
I can't wait for Dreamhack where I and alot of other swedes will be. Fuck I am gonna scream my lungs out for you Naniwa! Atleast he has a Code S spot now and I think we will be able to see our first foreigner Code S champion pretty soon. I hold those who get paid to play a game to high standards. I'm sorry if you don't like Nani getting boo'd, but it's hypocritical to be BM to Nestea and to the tournament and expect everyone to be completely respectful to him. Bollocks. Naniwa didn't bm Nestea, he did a little thumbs down ceremony when he beat him big whoop we've seen it done a hundred times. Booing a player on stage is fucking unacceptable imo.
How about calling the tournament a joke on screen while it's being broadcast to thousands of people?
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On November 21 2011 11:51 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:45 Grend wrote:On November 21 2011 11:44 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:42 VirgilSC2 wrote:On November 21 2011 11:41 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:39 HowardRoark wrote:On November 21 2011 11:34 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:34 StarStruck wrote:On November 21 2011 11:32 Femari wrote:On November 21 2011 11:31 jj33 wrote:
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yes.
and all the people who are complaining and whining about leenock winning "unhonourably"
hahaha, when there is money on the line anything goes and he did nothing unhonourable.
are they seriously complaining about leenock winning unhonourably with what naniwa did yesterday? Heat of the moment man you see shit like that all the time with everyone else. Naniwa is no different. It only makes him human, so I wouldn't keep picking at that bone. you see people sneaking peeks at replays to figure out what build the opponent is using? since when? This is really an hot potato if what StarStruck posted is true. This sneakypeaky at high level WoL, is it actually something common? Seems like some huge news. Are you a whistle blower, or maybe you were referring to something else? Multiple people confirmed that Naniwa pulled up the replay of a game that was restarted (g3 v Nestea on Shak) due to it starting when on a commercial break. The replay that showed him what? The post-game screen shows build-orders anyway. Yeah so? The point is that he was the cause of restarting the game and that people calling Leenock punishing Naniwa's greed "dishonourable" is ridiculous considering what Naniwa did to Nestea. What did he do? Please elaborate on your accusations. During the break between game 2 and 3 of the series between Nestea and Naniwa, Naniwa chose Shak and set up the game himself. Something happened (miscommunication most likely) and they went to a commercial break. Naniwa had started the game though and they both played around 1:37 of game time so they had to stop it cause it wasn't being casted. After that they went to the restroom during the break and Naniwa got back first and started watching the replay. An official apparently tried to stop him but it was too late and he saw Nestea's main and the build. Then they started the new game and since Nestea was cross spawn in the replay Naniwa assumed it was cross only. He got upset. Started typing on screen which MLG could do nothing about. They then let the coach in apparently to relay messages from the admin (idk why) and then the game started again. Basically he did nothing against the rules, but he sure as hell did nothing honorable. But this was in the thread yesterday. Multiple people who were there have been saying this.
Some quick notes:
The game 3 was first aborted because the game was started too early. The players were not ready and the commercial was still on. But before it ended Nani had scouted Nestea going a 10 pool really early. So Nani was in a good position at this point. (At least this is what I interpreted from Naniwas interview)
About watching the replay thing: As MLG has stated time and time again it is actually not breaking any rules. In addition he could gain mostly any information he needed from watching the end game score screen. MLG also concluded that him watching the replay did not affect the result and even did a press statement about it.
About the coach thing. It wasnt his coach but his manager Scott Ford and there was MLG staff present in the box at the time he was in it.
Despite all of this Naniwa did get a technical foul. So he got punished but it was not all that you and others make it out to be.
Cant we just end this now?
EDIT: About the joke tournament thing.
At this point Naniwa felt cheated from a good position in game one, (Had scouted a 10 pool or was about to) thought that the referee had lied to him about the cross positions only, and to top that off he is Naniwa. Another small tidbit is the announcer not even remembering his team earlier in the tournament.
I do not condone the comment, but I can understand why he wrote it at the time given the information he thought he had.
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Unbelievable..Leenock emerges to take MLG Providence from Naniwa...and Nani looked so good! However, the Protoss player's stubborness in repeating a Forge Fast Expand cost him as Leenock was quick to find the answer: Rushing and keeping Nani off his rhythm in the early game. With the inability to adapt, Naniwa found he was so behind in the late game over and over. Leenock saw the vulenerability and like a true stragist he exploited it. The Zerg player may be an underdog in the foreigner community but his record in Providence is undeniable: 16 years old, the skills to take on the world's best, and the MLG title to prove it. Congratulations to Leenock!
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On November 21 2011 11:57 Wallstreet11 wrote:
I bet all the koreans there gave Leenock tips of how to beat Naniwas usual build cause all koreans think so highly of themselves
What's wrong with that?
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On November 21 2011 11:55 diophan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:50 Anton K wrote:
What could have been the best tournament in the world was ruined for me by the fact of discusting behaviour from people in the audience booing Naniwa. Not only booing but laughing when he did mistakes.. And the hate he has been getting here on TL, Reddit and pms on Twitter I'd be surprised if that didnt tilt him. You could see after he beat HuK and DRG that he looked ashamed. He looked like he thought everyone hated him.
I take no credit away from Leenok. He exploited naniwas only weakness and you play this game to win not to give crowds entertainting games. Leenok is an absolutily amazing player and I am happy for him!
I guess I am really upset because I wanted Naniwa to throw the victory in all the haters face. All the people saying even though he beat Nestea TWICE in a bo3 that he is a noob, scrub that can't even get past the round 1 in Code A.
The behaviour of the MLG crowd, Reddit and TL should fucking be ashamed of themselves. You all hold Naniwa so accountable for his actions but look at your fucking self.
I can't wait for Dreamhack where I and alot of other swedes will be. Fuck I am gonna scream my lungs out for you Naniwa! Atleast he has a Code S spot now and I think we will be able to see our first foreigner Code S champion pretty soon. I hold those who get paid to play a game to high standards. I'm sorry if you don't like Nani getting boo'd, but it's hypocritical to be BM to Nestea and to the tournament and expect everyone to be completely respectful to him.
Exactly. People are going to love Naniwa or hate him for his antics. Fans have every right to boo a player they dont like. I dont want to hear bullshit about fans having to be classy. Naniwa has shown he's anything BUT classy in this MLG. I find it hard to believe that a player would go out of his way to paint a big bulleyes on his back. Do you really want to piss off Nestea and MVP? GLHF with that.
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Dear MLG,
PLEASE do me a favor and get the MLG tweets and all of the other spoilers off of the stream page... There is literally an overlay displaying tweets on who won what and how right on the video. I'm trying my damn hardest not to read anything too revealing while trying to find the game I left off on, but you guys sure make it hard. I keep reading "Leenock" all over the place... I wonder who won? =(
P.S. I don't know if this is the right place to put this but I am so annoyed I need to post it somewhere! lol
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Stop being so butt hurt about the booing. It happens in all forms of competition. Don't want to be booed? Don't give people a reason to boo you.
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On November 21 2011 11:59 Juvant wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:57 Wallstreet11 wrote:
I recall Idra saying that the koreans were hypocrites(spelling) and that they were at least as BM as himself except for when the public were watching... This makes it even more disgusting when people are booing Naniwa for not even being that BM. I feel like calling the tournament all of these people are watching, the one that eventually handed him a 25000 dollar check, a joke tournament on stage in front of a crowd is quite worthy of some backlash. Feel like this is being extremely overlooked.
I feel like you are forgetting a few thing
1. He did not have that 25,000 at this point in time
2. ANY mistake/error vs the absolute top of the worlds elite could very very possibly cost him exactly 25,000 or even 50,00$
I though agree that it seemed a bit hasty and harsh. But at the same time he does speak his mind and don´t you agree that you would have been pretty angry if this happened when you had that amount of pressure on you?
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