MLG Providence Day 3 Live Report Thread - Page 858

On November 21 2011 01:07 Grend wrote:
EDIT: Complete clarification from MLG

#2 The first attempt at playing game 3

The game was mistakenly started by the casters while the admin was still in the booth talking to players. Nestea was taken off guard, had to rush back to get his keyboard (etc) ready. It was a false start one could say and the commissioner decided to restart so both players had a fair and even start.


3. The second attempt at playing game 3

Naniwa misunderstood the admin (complete miscommunication that I personally attribute to the language barrier). The game was paused as Naniwa refused to play.


4. The "Coach" incident

I personally went to the crowd and got Scott and escorted him to the booth. Why? Naniwa was about to be DQ'd for refusing to play due to the miscommunication. I stood there as Scott told him he had to play.

5.

Naniwa did receive a technical for various infractions.

EDIT: Claryfying MLG Statement:

"After extensive investigation, review of the video files and 2011 Pro Circuit rules, we have determined that the replay had no impact on the tournament flow or the match results. Build orders are displayed at the end of a match on the stats screen. So the replay that was viewed would have revealed nothing the match stats page would not have revealed otherwise.

Additionally, to clarify, the Complexity manager was allowed in the booth, accompanied by MLG staff, after the match had started in order to keep the game in motion after a discrepancy with his player that would have impacted the continuation of the game. Moving forward, we will look at rules outlawing any replay views on a tournament PC"


Okay let us try to put this thing to an end. Here is some information I`ve gathered about the whole Nestea vs Naniwa situation.
1. Naniwa calling Nestea an idiot

Naniwa did call Nestea an idiot. But he did it referencing one particular episode.
He was referencing the episode where Nestea decided to pull his drones for an attack, but was only feinting and withdrew his drones before reaching Naniwas base. So he did call him an idiot, but there is a strong case for him simply trying to communicate that he thought that particular tactical move was idiotic .

Naniwa also said that playing versus MVP and Nestea was easier than he had imagined:
http://tv.majorleaguegaming.com/videos/79158-naniwa-interview-after-winning-the-global-invitational

Naniwa apologized for this later:
"I must have formulated myself badly in the interviews I did not mean to call nestea bad. Or. An idiot watch next col iview. . "
https://twitter.com/#!/CoLNaniwa

2. The first attempt at playing game 3
This is what I`ve gathered:
Naniwa needed to go to the toilet after game 2. He asked the admins to go.
This is allowed in the rules but the decision is up to the admin.
Apparently the admin said no, and the game was started.

But without the admin knowing the stream had in the meantime started showing an ad. So the start of the game was not shown. At some point the game was paused.

Then it was decided that the game would be restarted, and the players would get a chance to go to the toilet before starting the game over.

"Basically in game 3, the map was Shak. The game was begun before the stream was out of commercial which meant they had to stop and re-enter the game again."

Reddit witness account:
"I caught in the chat one of the players saying that they needed to use the W.C. before the match started (I don't know which one it was), to which the admin responded "no, we have to start now". Then RedB said "ask your admin" to which the admin in the chat responded "we're going now" and they immediately cut to the ads on the player screens.
At that point Artosis and Tasteless are still on the screen, but the match had started. Then Tasteless says something about "NaNiWa says he's going to pause the match.... we have to sort this out" - at which point I realized that it was NaNiWa that had to use the bathroom, and after about a minute of play (which was never put on the screen), paused the match. That's when they cut to the paused game in which there was OVER a minute of play time played. At this point, nobody really did anything, until the admins on stage realized that it was a horrible situation and they had to let him go to the bathroom (I get that they were late to start with... but it seems unreasonable to start a match when one of your players isn't ready because of time issues). That's when they cut away, NaNiWa left the booth (presumably to go to the bathroom). "


Sources:
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/mimi3/whats_happening_with_naniwa_vs_nestea/c318hvn
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/mimi3/whats_happening_with_naniwa_vs_nestea/

2. The replay incident
After going to the toilet Naniwa is said to have loaded up the replay of the game that was aborted.
(This is known because his screen apparently was shown on a large screen visible to the audience)
This is not strictly against MLG rules and he could already see the build order on the game ending screen. An Admin went into his booth and told him to stop. At this point Naniwa had already seen Nestea`s build.

MLG statement
"After extensive investigation, review of the video files and 2011 Pro Circuit rules, we have determined that the replay had no impact on the tournament flow or the match results. Build orders are displayed at the end of a match on the stats screen. So the replay that was viewed would have revealed nothing the match stats page would not have revealed otherwise.

Redditt witness:
"NaNiWa got back before NesTea (I believe), but in any case, he quickly pulled up the replay from the match before anybody could stop him. As soon as the official on the stage realized, he went into the booth to tell him to stop, but it was too late, NaNiWa had already seen the starting position of NesTea."

http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/mivks/can_someone_explain_to_me_how_this_isnt_cheating/


3. The second attempt at playing game 3
After quite some time game 3 was remade and they started playing.
Naniwa moved a probe across the map (thinking for some reason that the map was cross positions only) and when he got to where he assumed Nestea would be (but was not) he paused the game.
Some background here: Earlier MLG events used to have this map be only cross positions. This has later been changed and now adheres to the Blizzard ladder versions rules to positions.

Then this happened:

Naniwa reacted strongly and claimed that a admin had said to him that the map was cross positions only.
According to Sundance this was not correct:

"He made a mistake then claimed it was the ref.Hhe picked before our admin even went into the booth.
Some maps have crosses some do not. He chose one thinking that it was a cross position map when it wasn't.
Not a big deal in the end but annoying none the less."

So here we have two different versions of what went down.

4. The "Coach" incident
Apparently to calm the situation down and to make Naniwa ready to continue playing, MLG staff allowed the Player Manager (Not Coach) of Complexity gaming, Scott Ford to enter Naniwa`s booth.
He was there to relay what MLG had decided. No regame and that it was his fault I can only assume. Then after a while the game was restarted.

MLG Statement about the incident:
"Additionally, to clarify, the Complexity manager was allowed in the booth, accompanied by MLG staff, after the match had started in order to keep the game in motion after a discrepancy with his player that would have impacted the continuation of the game."

Reddit Eye witness:
"I could see the lead admin guy ask and look at all of the other officials on the stage, to which people were shaking their heads, as if everyone was agreeing that nobody told him this. At that point, the official went back in the booth to break the bad news to NaNiWa. NaNiWa was PISSED, visually repeating "NO, NO, NO!". It was apparent that he felt cheated, which I believe that he actually was. If he was told cross spawns, and it wasn't, that could seriously mess up your entire game, and in my opinion, the game should have been replayed."

Sources: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=286835&currentpage=665#13288
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/mimi3/whats_happening_with_naniwa_vs_nestea/

Naniwa ended up winning the game.

5. Naniwa being punished by MLG.
MLG have two different rulesets that applies to these kind of situations.
You have the event rules, and the conduct rules.

Event rules decide ingame stuff and series stuff. Break these rules and you may lose the game or the series.
http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/competitions/25#event_54_event_rules

Naniwa did break the pause game rules. He paused the game without asking the referee. This gets you a WARNING. A WARNING is largely inconsequential. It only matters if you get more warnings and may lose you the game you are playing. They do not stay with the player throughout the event.

"Each subsequent Warning that a Player receives will result in a Forfeit of the Game"

Conduct rules decide real life stuff and conduct. These can lose you map picking privilegies among other stuff.
http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/competitions/25#event_54_conduct_rules

Slasher at first said that Naniwa got a technical foul from his quotes. He later withdrew that statement.
https://twitter.com/#!/SLASHER

At this point Naniwa has gotten a technical foul.