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Here we go again. This weekend is about good games and good fun. Don't rain on that parade. Play nice guys. Here's the very standard and friendly:
- NO Balance Whine. - NO Player Bashing. - NO Caster Bashing. - NO BM whatsoever.
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On November 21 2011 11:27 Femari wrote: naniwa gets punished for being greedy, people complain
mc punishes mvp for being greedy, it's absolutely okay
oh i see
More like someone will complain no matter what happens. Way of the game in SC2 I guess :-)
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On November 21 2011 11:27 supraWman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:24 kurrysauce wrote: Crowd was horrible imo
I cringed a little whenever I watched Naniwa come out on stage pre game or post game because the crowd would boo him for no reason. On top of that , so many people B lined for the doors as soon as leenock won. what the hell? I agree. I also think that booing players is really unacceptable. I thought the starcraft community was better than that.
this has been both the most epic tournament yet the most disgusting one in terms of crowd the WORST crowd of MLG history by far.
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"crush the comp" on based leenock's sweater
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People really need to stop using the term Cheese. Leenock totally hard countered what nani was doing which was ffe every game, he should of caught on and scouted harder/done 3gate expo instead
both nani and leenock played really fucking well this weekend, best MLG event EVER
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You can seriously tell how many low level players there are with strong opinions by the way the discussion and complaining goes in these threads.
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On November 21 2011 11:27 supraWman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:24 kurrysauce wrote: Crowd was horrible imo
I cringed a little whenever I watched Naniwa come out on stage pre game or post game because the crowd would boo him for no reason. On top of that , so many people B lined for the doors as soon as leenock won. what the hell? I agree. I also think that booing players is really unacceptable. I thought the starcraft community was better than that. Maybe that's one of the reasons as to why Starcraft has been so popular in Korea for many years now and not in the western world. Their culture is more about politeness and respect - as soon as it comes to us we start seeing unacceptable and disgusting things like booing a player off stage. People will have to grow up just a little more if E-sports is going to have it's great breakthrough outside of Korea.
EDIT: I realize i sound very pessimistic in my post - i do not by all means accuse everyone in the starcraft community of doing those things. It just makes me sick when some people do, though.
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On November 21 2011 11:27 ThePhan2m wrote: does Naniwa get Code S spot still? and how does that fit into the new Code S system?
Leenock is Code S Ro8 (which means he's back in next season), so the Code S spot would be up for Naniwa.
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On November 21 2011 11:27 mjnbowlgod wrote: the bigger question might be is... whats the future for terrens now?
Terrans will be fine. It's one tournament.
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On November 21 2011 11:28 Goibon wrote: I'm so happy.
I was an instafan when i think open season 2 maybe when all the fOu guys were tearing it up in the early rounds. He always showed such great play so early on. We all know how he'd get 'bad luck' and face top notch players and get knocked out of GSL right away. It was very frustrating as a Leenock fan! But even him getting knocked out he never played particularly bad, he just got outplayed by better players. Such is life.
He'd show things though which set him apart from other Zergs which is what i loved most about his play. He would build more than one spine crawler for defense while other Zerg would leave expos completely undefended and lose them to single medivac drops.
He's the only guy to really use baneling mines. Well, him and NesTea, but Leenock really took Banelings to a level NesTea couldn't be bothered (or didn't need to). I remember once Jinro commented on how annoying baneling mines were, but we never saw them! Jinro then revealed he practised a lot with Leenock. It's no wonder.
Leenock also had some of the best bunker rush defense ever. Terran would bunker his natural and he'd calmly destroy the rush every single time without fail. You knew he'd never lose to a bunker rush. Although MMA decided recently to 2 rax bunker rush, which punished Leenock. But he made it out of his GSL group and looked really good in doing so.
The underlying story of The Leenoctopus has been his juggling act with School and SC2. Every time he'd lose, i'd be thinking in the back of my mind "if only he was full time...". It's the same with Nada. It's difficult seeing players lose knowing that they are being held back by something. You can call it an excuse, just like jetlag. It's real, and it hurts the viewing knowing that one guy isn't able to play at 100% of what he could. To have Hwanni now say that Leenock doesn't go to school is like the final piece of the puzzle. Finally, the shackles are off. The Leenocktopus has been unleashed, and he is now Champion of Earth.
I'm so happy.
according to hwanni he doesn't go to school
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On November 21 2011 11:13 figq wrote: Frodo was awarded last time, now Gandalf will award Sam too. :D
haha...
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On November 21 2011 11:28 Belisarius wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:17 Artok wrote:On November 21 2011 11:15 iamthedave wrote:On November 21 2011 11:13 BarbieHsu wrote:On November 21 2011 11:12 Petrina wrote:On November 21 2011 11:09 Belisarius wrote: lol. Leenock actually is destroying TL. I'm impressed.
This puts Nani in an interesting position. An awful, awful lot of people are going to claim he doesn't deserve the code S he gets from this. The Nestea drama, getting bounced from code A a billion times, and his compete failure to adapt in the final games there... none of that looks good.
I think he has one shot, and one shot only when he walks into code S. If he proves himself, he deserves it. If he's bounced again, I think that's just about it for him in the court of public opinion, especially to the netizens. Don't be so dramatic. He proved himself many many times. He does not have to "prove" himself anymore. And you do not speak for "netizens", do you? You certainly don't speak for me. Where do you come up with those definitive afirmations: "that's just about it for him in the court of public opinion"? Please... He deserves Code S. I just don't want him there. Actually I agree with the first poster. If Naniwa bounces a 4th time, it's not exactly something we can ignore. ya, go and burn him, oh wait, you are just silver league tl guy that doesnt even matter. User was temp banned for this post. I'm going to reply to Petrina since the last guy got banned. I appreciate that an LR thread isn't the place to have a serious discussion since everyone's blood is running hot, but you're really in no position to go off like that. Calm down. I rather like Nani. I'm protoss, he's not my favourite player, but I'm glad to see any P do well. But what I really don't like to see is foreigners fail over and over again in the GSL. It makes the MLG program look like a joke when pretty much nobody gets out of the first round of code A after being flown over. Nani has had this happen more times than any other, and now after doing so he's jumped the queue in just three sets and is now in code S. Of course I don't speak for the netizens, but it's not like you do either, and I think it's pretty undeniable that a lot of people really don't like him. If you need proof, just look at the crowd. It also doesn't take a rocket scientist to realise he's going to cop a lot of heat from Korean audiences for the nestea fiasco. With a reputation like his, and a history like his, getting smashed out of code S next season would damage his legitimacy almost to the point of no return for a ton of fans. It's make or break time next season, I think.
I already replied to your other post, and apparently you missed it, but what Nestea fiasco?
There's a thread floating around where it is explained in detail why Naniwa didn't cheat and didn't mean to be bm, and that he and Nestea were interacting (if not talking - language barrier) on good terms when not on stage.
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You guys keep getting it wrong, he beat MVP as well. Code S players highlighted:
Leenock 2 - 0 Infernozz Leenock 2 - 0 duckyr Leenock 2 - 0 Drewbie Leenock 2 - 0 Oz Leenock 2 - 0 Gatored Leenock 2 - 0 State Leenock 2 - 0 Haypro Leenock 0 - 2 DRG Leenock 2 - 0 Boxer Leenock 2 - 0 Slush Leenock 2 - 1 MMA Leenock 2 - 0 Idra Leenock 2 - 0 Huk Leenock 2 - 0 MVP Leenock 4 - 1 DRG (extended series starting down 0 - 2) Leenock 4 - 1 Naniwa
Total Record: 34 - 5
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terrens are lacking already on the ladder , but this isnt gonna help, zvzs are getting sickning
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On November 21 2011 11:28 Grend wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:27 Femari wrote: naniwa gets punished for being greedy, people complain
mc punishes mvp for being greedy, it's absolutely okay
oh i see More like someone will complain no matter what happens. Way of the game in SC2 I guess :-)
Beautiful thing, no? X-X
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BOTTOM LINE: I want mid to long games most games.
These fast 1 base all ins are very boring and I wouldn´t have stayed up if I knew it was gonna be 3 hatch cancel cheezes.
I think it is much more entertaining and skillful when you have lots of macro to keep track on as well as maxed out and diversed armies. The skill curve goes way up the more you have to take into account and that´s why I like Naniwas longer games with sick micro/decision making.
I don´t like classic 4 gates, 6 pools/roach 1 base or bunker rushes etc because the skill of the players are much more limited since there are very fewer decisions to be made.
If say sc2 would have 8min games on averege I would never watch any matches.
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Every zerg in code S will be wanting to pick naniwa unless he learns another build lol
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On November 21 2011 11:29 Divine_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:27 supraWman wrote:On November 21 2011 11:24 kurrysauce wrote: Crowd was horrible imo
I cringed a little whenever I watched Naniwa come out on stage pre game or post game because the crowd would boo him for no reason. On top of that , so many people B lined for the doors as soon as leenock won. what the hell? I agree. I also think that booing players is really unacceptable. I thought the starcraft community was better than that. Maybe that's one of the reasons as to why Starcraft has been so popular in Korea for many years now and not in the western world. Their culture is more about politeness and respect - as soon as it comes to us we start seeing unacceptable and disgusting things like booing a player off stage. People will have to grow up just a little more if E-sports is going to have it's great breakthrough outside of Korea. People boo players in big sports ALL THE TIME WHY ARE PEOPLE SO SHOCKED? Lebron gets boo'd by every city for a decision to move to miami and things off the court. You don't need absolute respect for everyone and be lovey dovey to become big.
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Btw how was the DRG vs Leenock matches? Didn't get to catch them (fell asleep for awhile)
Should I watch them?
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On November 21 2011 11:29 below66 wrote: You can seriously tell how many low level players there are with strong opinions by the way the discussion and complaining goes in these threads.
yes.
and all the people who are complaining and whining about leenock winning "unhonourably"
hahaha, when there is money on the line anything goes and he did nothing unhonourable.
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On November 21 2011 11:28 jspark703 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:21 freeshooter wrote:On November 21 2011 11:15 playtetris wrote: 16 year old Zerg did this at MLG Providence... 12-0 - Open Bracket 2-0: Boxer 2-0: Haypro 2-0: Slush 2-1: MMA 2-0: Idra 2-0: Huk 2-0: MVP 4-3: DRG 4-1: Naniwa Honestly, how can you even say Naniwa deserved to win that? Just looking at this shit makes me an instant fanboy. Did Leenock go through Nestea? Did Leenock go through MVP (even though it was MLG Global Invitational)? And Naniwa went through Huk, and DRG as well, both beating them same as Leenock did. Are you seriously trying to discredit Naniwa from almost winning? Naniwa played very well too, and I think he would've deserved to win MLG if he beat Leenock. Leenock indeed deserves the win though, but don't discredit another good player like a fangirl. just one thing... Leenock went through mvp
and MMA
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