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- NO Caster Bashing.
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On November 21 2011 11:24 kurrysauce wrote:
Crowd was horrible imo
I cringed a little whenever I watched Naniwa come out on stage pre game or post game because the crowd would boo him for no reason. On top of that , so many people B lined for the doors as soon as leenock won. what the hell?
I agree. I also think that booing players is really unacceptable. I thought the starcraft community was better than that.
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Gah my ban finished right when mlg finished lol, I missed posting these past 2 days on the LR thread
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does Naniwa get Code S spot still? and how does that fit into the new Code S system?
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On November 21 2011 11:26 RaiKageRyu wrote:
Never return to Rhode Island?
MLG needs more Pacific locations.
*ahemSeattleHwaitingachoo*
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On November 21 2011 11:26 jj33 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:22 Wallstreet11 wrote:
Worst finals in a long time considering how sick the other games of the tournament was...
DREAMHACK Winter will SAVE THE DAY! oh please. Naniwa got punished for doing same build. leenock outplayed naniwa hardcore pure and simple. get over it.
Exactly. When one player "outplayers" the other player "hardcore" its not a fun final to watch. That's what he's saying. You don't have to be sassy about it when you're not even correctly addressing his point.
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These finals were awesome for a guy like me that enjoys intelligent play which is what I saw from Leenock, easily my favorite zerg from now on.
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I actually feel a bit sad for nani, he got hit hard this weekend, really hard, but he "sorta" made it come his way.
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naniwa gets punished for being greedy, people complain
mc punishes mvp for being greedy, it's absolutely okay
oh i see
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On November 21 2011 11:23 shockaslim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:21 freeshooter wrote:On November 21 2011 11:15 playtetris wrote:
16 year old Zerg did this at MLG Providence...
12-0 - Open Bracket
2-0: Boxer
2-0: Haypro
2-0: Slush
2-1: MMA
2-0: Idra
2-0: Huk
2-0: MVP
4-3: DRG
4-1: Naniwa
Honestly, how can you even say Naniwa deserved to win that? Just looking at this shit makes me an instant fanboy. Did Leenock go through Nestea? Did Leenock go through MVP (even though it was MLG Global Invitational)? And Naniwa went through Huk, and DRG as well, both beating them same as Leenock did. Are you seriously trying to discredit Naniwa from almost winning? Naniwa played very well too, and I think he would've deserved to win MLG if he beat Leenock. Leenock indeed deserves the win though, but don't discredit another good player like a fangirl. Yeah, I don't think you read that post very much did you? Even then, playing through the Open Bracket, and then the losers bracket, I think he deserved that win way more that Naniwa would have...
Please stop with this senseless bickering? It really makes me sad to see people saying one player "deserved" to win over the other. Both players are obviously great and put their blood, sweat, and tears into this tournament. Both deserved to win, but Leenock came out ahead in the end. Can we please leave it at that?
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On November 21 2011 11:22 Wallstreet11 wrote:
Worst finals in a long time considering how sick the other games of the tournament was...
DREAMHACK Winter will SAVE THE DAY!
Yeh , not the best games. But leenock had to punish the greed of nani.
Not sure why nani would pick xel naga and ffe, against a player who has been putting on early pressure every game........
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the bigger question might be is... whats the future for terrens now?
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On November 21 2011 11:17 Artok wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:15 iamthedave wrote:On November 21 2011 11:13 BarbieHsu wrote:On November 21 2011 11:12 Petrina wrote:On November 21 2011 11:09 Belisarius wrote:
lol. Leenock actually is destroying TL. I'm impressed.
This puts Nani in an interesting position. An awful, awful lot of people are going to claim he doesn't deserve the code S he gets from this. The Nestea drama, getting bounced from code A a billion times, and his compete failure to adapt in the final games there... none of that looks good.
I think he has one shot, and one shot only when he walks into code S. If he proves himself, he deserves it. If he's bounced again, I think that's just about it for him in the court of public opinion, especially to the netizens. Don't be so dramatic. He proved himself many many times. He does not have to "prove" himself anymore. And you do not speak for "netizens", do you? You certainly don't speak for me. Where do you come up with those definitive afirmations: "that's just about it for him in the court of public opinion"? Please... He deserves Code S. I just don't want him there. Actually I agree with the first poster. If Naniwa bounces a 4th time, it's not exactly something we can ignore. ya, go and burn him, oh wait, you are just silver league tl guy that doesnt even matter. User was temp banned for this post.
I'm going to reply to Petrina since the last guy got banned.
I appreciate that an LR thread isn't the place to have a serious discussion since everyone's blood is running hot, but you're really in no position to go off like that. Calm down.
I rather like Nani. I'm protoss, he's not my favourite player, but I'm glad to see any P do well.
But what I really don't like to see is foreigners fail over and over again in the GSL. It makes the MLG program look like a joke when pretty much nobody gets out of the first round of code A after being flown over. Nani has had this happen more times than any other, and now after doing so he's jumped the queue in just three sets and is now in code S.
Of course I don't speak for the netizens, but it's not like you do either, and I think it's pretty undeniable that a lot of people really don't like him. If you need proof, just look at the crowd. It also doesn't take a rocket scientist to realise he's going to cop a lot of heat from Korean audiences for the nestea fiasco.
With a reputation like his, and a history like his, getting smashed out of code S next season would damage his legitimacy almost to the point of no return for a ton of fans. It's make or break time next season, I think.
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Don't blame Leenock for the boring final, he did whatever needed to get the win. Blame Naniwa for using the same strat and ask for the counter again and again
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When in doubt blame jetlag. Yea leenock went rather all-in because he's jetlagged and nt because nani went for greedy openings
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I'm so happy.
I was an instafan when i think open season 2 maybe when all the fOu guys were tearing it up in the early rounds. He always showed such great play so early on. We all know how he'd get 'bad luck' and face top notch players and get knocked out of GSL right away. It was very frustrating as a Leenock fan! But even him getting knocked out he never played particularly bad, he just got outplayed by better players. Such is life.
He'd show things though which set him apart from other Zergs which is what i loved most about his play. He would build more than one spine crawler for defense while other Zerg would leave expos completely undefended and lose them to single medivac drops.
He's the only guy to really use baneling mines. Well, him and NesTea, but Leenock really took Banelings to a level NesTea couldn't be bothered (or didn't need to). I remember once Jinro commented on how annoying baneling mines were, but we never saw them! Jinro then revealed he practised a lot with Leenock. It's no wonder.
Leenock also had some of the best bunker rush defense ever. Terran would bunker his natural and he'd calmly destroy the rush every single time without fail. You knew he'd never lose to a bunker rush. Although MMA decided recently to 2 rax bunker rush, which punished Leenock. But he made it out of his GSL group and looked really good in doing so.
The underlying story of The Leenoctopus has been his juggling act with School and SC2. Every time he'd lose, i'd be thinking in the back of my mind "if only he was full time...". It's the same with Nada. It's difficult seeing players lose knowing that they are being held back by something. You can call it an excuse, just like jetlag. It's real, and it hurts the viewing knowing that one guy isn't able to play at 100% of what he could. To have Hwanni now say that Leenock doesn't go to school is like the final piece of the puzzle. Finally, the shackles are off. The Leenocktopus has been unleashed, and he is now Champion of Earth.
I'm so happy.
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On November 21 2011 11:27 itkovian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:26 jj33 wrote:On November 21 2011 11:22 Wallstreet11 wrote:
Worst finals in a long time considering how sick the other games of the tournament was...
DREAMHACK Winter will SAVE THE DAY! oh please. Naniwa got punished for doing same build. leenock outplayed naniwa hardcore pure and simple. get over it. Exactly. When one player "outplayers" the other player "hardcore" its not a fun final to watch.
He wasn't complaining because it was a beatdown, he was complaining because he perceived leenocks victory as cheesey
big difference
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wow watching leenock makes m want to play zerg.
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On November 21 2011 11:21 freeshooter wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:15 playtetris wrote:
16 year old Zerg did this at MLG Providence...
12-0 - Open Bracket
2-0: Boxer
2-0: Haypro
2-0: Slush
2-1: MMA
2-0: Idra
2-0: Huk
2-0: MVP
4-3: DRG
4-1: Naniwa
Honestly, how can you even say Naniwa deserved to win that? Just looking at this shit makes me an instant fanboy. Did Leenock go through Nestea? Did Leenock go through MVP (even though it was MLG Global Invitational)? And Naniwa went through Huk, and DRG as well, both beating them same as Leenock did. Are you seriously trying to discredit Naniwa from almost winning? Naniwa played very well too, and I think he would've deserved to win MLG if he beat Leenock. Leenock indeed deserves the win though, but don't discredit another good player like a fangirl.
just one thing... Leenock went through mvp
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I'm wondering if MLG will release the replays in a timely fashion for this event?
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On November 21 2011 11:25 c0ldfusion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 11:10 Sakray wrote:
I love people going "naniwa is playing greedy so he got punished", or "he ffe so he dies, normal".
Because you people find normal to not being able to fast expanding against zerg ? If you don't FFE you're basicly behind.
Naniwa deserved this win so hard omg, MVP should have crushed Leenock in loser's bracket. Was pissed about "lol i got 5 roaches and 5 mutas during whole game and still won".
Rly boring final, it was like Puma/MC during IEM. MC > Puma so Puma cheesed 2 times on 3 games to get the money. Naniwa > Leenock, so Leenock cheesed to get the money. So sad... Did you watch MVP vs Leenock? Those were some sick macro games man.
Yeah and you cannot expect to get away with 14 nexus every time.
Similar things happened to a guy like Flash (who is very stubborn too) as he would almost always 14cc and guys used to find ways to punish him for it all the time.
You have to be able to switch up your play and make small tweaks to it. Use mind games and ploys.
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