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Just to balance all the Naniwa hate a bit, here is what he wrote on twitter about the Nestea thing:
CoLNaniwa
I must have formulated myself badly in the interviews I did not mean to call nestea bad. Or. An idiot watch next col iview. . .
CoLNaniwa
He said he would smash me before the game so that's why I wanted to do something funny. Also sry @MLG I felt very pressured .
CoLNaniwa
@eneKeyHunt @compLexityLive no pressure people twist what I say to what they want tho. I mean no disrespect to nestea
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On November 20 2011 22:41 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 22:37 SafeAsCheese wrote:On November 20 2011 22:30 KristianJS wrote:
What happened in the Idra vs MC matches? Did Idra just roll over to strong early pushes or something? IdrA tried a 5-6 infestor + zergling timing attack on Xelnaga, MC's good force field stops it, idra loses Game 2, IdrA plays almost perfectly, taking basically zero damage from stargate play. Get a fast third with good spore defense, losses almost nothing to the harass. Loses anyway when 4 sentries are dropped into his main and a round of units warp in and kill his lair. Idra tries to counter attack with his roach army, but again, force field and cannons and VR is all you need to stop roaches. Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 22:38 ZenithM wrote:On November 20 2011 22:30 KristianJS wrote:
What happened in the Idra vs MC matches? Did Idra just roll over to strong early pushes or something? 1st game: IdrA goes for the 2 base speedlings/burrowed infestors timing. MC defends with strong forcefields and counter attacks with a warprism sentry drops to block IdrA's main ramp. IdrA promptly gg's. 2nd game: MC's nexus first goes unchecked against IdrA's speed opening. IdrA attempts a baneling bust, which kills 10 probes but doesn't accomplish much else. MC opens stargate with 2 void rays and phoenixes. A warpprism comes out of the robo and he goes for the sentry ramp block again. IdrA tries to counter attack while losing his main, but gg's when... well, IdrA gg's with his usual timing (;D). It would have indeed be very hard to win in his position. tl;dr: "Sentry drops to block the ramp, a very useful talent toi have." Lol, it sounds like you are describing different games in game 2.
Haha lol that's right. Both are somewhat true though. What you need to remember is "warpprism sentry drops ramp block into gg" mostly.
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On November 20 2011 22:48 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 22:41 nam nam wrote:On November 20 2011 22:37 SafeAsCheese wrote:On November 20 2011 22:30 KristianJS wrote:
What happened in the Idra vs MC matches? Did Idra just roll over to strong early pushes or something? IdrA tried a 5-6 infestor + zergling timing attack on Xelnaga, MC's good force field stops it, idra loses Game 2, IdrA plays almost perfectly, taking basically zero damage from stargate play. Get a fast third with good spore defense, losses almost nothing to the harass. Loses anyway when 4 sentries are dropped into his main and a round of units warp in and kill his lair. Idra tries to counter attack with his roach army, but again, force field and cannons and VR is all you need to stop roaches. On November 20 2011 22:38 ZenithM wrote:On November 20 2011 22:30 KristianJS wrote:
What happened in the Idra vs MC matches? Did Idra just roll over to strong early pushes or something? 1st game: IdrA goes for the 2 base speedlings/burrowed infestors timing. MC defends with strong forcefields and counter attacks with a warprism sentry drops to block IdrA's main ramp. IdrA promptly gg's. 2nd game: MC's nexus first goes unchecked against IdrA's speed opening. IdrA attempts a baneling bust, which kills 10 probes but doesn't accomplish much else. MC opens stargate with 2 void rays and phoenixes. A warpprism comes out of the robo and he goes for the sentry ramp block again. IdrA tries to counter attack while losing his main, but gg's when... well, IdrA gg's with his usual timing (;D). It would have indeed be very hard to win in his position. tl;dr: "Sentry drops to block the ramp, a very useful talent toi have." Lol, it sounds like you are describing different games in game 2. Haha lol that's right. Both are somewhat true though. What you need to remember is "warpprism sentry drops ramp block into gg" mostly.
I'm pretty sure SafeAsCheese is a Idra fan and also quite the zerg defender so i'd take his "perfect play" with a grain of salt.
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I hope we actually get a decent final this MLG. So far all MLG finals have been a downer, mostly because of extended series. The winner of the championship went on to win the whole every single time if I am not mistaken.
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On November 20 2011 22:30 double620 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 22:17 WhiteDog wrote:On November 20 2011 22:09 ravemir wrote:On November 20 2011 21:58 WhiteDog wrote:On November 20 2011 21:32 SeaSwift wrote:On November 20 2011 21:26 WhiteDog wrote:
You're a joke man... Nestea and MVP beaten by Naniwa who can't even qualify himself for Code A doesn't mean shit ? You're good at changing reality, but the truth is protoss is rampaging everything (Gatored beating Ganzi, really ?). What a belligerent post. Naniwa beat MVP/Nestea in the Global Invitational, which isn't even the main tournament, and then won ONE bo3 vs Nestea in the main tournament. Protoss is not "rampaging everything". Ganzi has AWFUL TvP, look at his win ratio. 36%. And this is the guy who took out both Puzzle and Oz. Hero completely outplayed every opponent he won against, but yes. HerO did well. Naniwa, MC and Huk have in total won 4 series so far, one of them a PvP. I don't call that Protoss dominance. While Protoss are doing well in the championship bracket/seeding, look at the bottom of this diagram: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Providence#Championship_BracketThere are 2 total Protoss players left in the lower bracket, out of 20 players. Again, Protoss dominance is all in your head. It's not a belligerent post, it's just a joke to watch protoss whining again and again and again despite obvious results. Yeah, having 3 protoss in the semi and most likely a PvP final (yeah my call, two MLGs back to back) is not impressive. About the lower bracket, it's not even interesting to comment... You have no names fighting against pro players, but overall, in the winner bracket protoss are doing just as good as everybody (out of 74 protoss, 2 get to the final of the open bracket, HerO and State, out of 68 terran only one, MvP, and out of 93 zerg, 5 got into the final). Naniwa with 11% win loss ratio in GSL arguing that Nestea is not good and then winning against him... is not "impressive". You need to chill a little bit and think about the circumstances: if there are more zerg than protoss and terran combined, how does that show that there is a protoss dominance in the lower bracket? Also, don't forget that the loser's bracket still counts, and there were 6, I believe, Terrans moving forward to the Champ bracket. There are still 11 (6 of them aren't "no-names") Terrans participating, 5 Protoss and 8 Zerg. And please cut it out with Nani's results in the GSL, it's getting old. The kid's needs to get a bit humble, but don't deny that he is doing pretty good. I'm perfectly chill, and I'm actually a naniwa's fan. I like that boy out of all the protoss foreigner, and I'm happy to seeing him do well, despite the moment where he shit on tournaments and other players. But, if you compare to the moment where he was just getting to korea, when he whined about protoss' shape, then it's safe to assume the game is at least balanced. Never said protoss were imbalance, but some of the result are certainly "impressive" to say the least. Despite that, you still have people arguing about : is protoss weak, imba or whatnot. It's boring. The only thing that is failing in MLG is, as ever, not the balance but the tournament structure, giving almost freewins to high seeded players. I have to agree the last thing you say. A lot of times in the gsl final, we see one sided final but after all the better player won the final. But sometimes in mlg final, did the better player really win the final? It was arguable. For example, Mc vs Huk, Huk won the final with a 4 gate battle + Mc's failed forge. Do not get me wrong, I do think Huk atm is better than Mc in PvP. But consider the number of games Mc played that day to Huk played that day, it was hard to say if the final showed who was better. Another one was the MMA vs MVP. Although I did believe MVP deserved that MLG win, I would say that final did not show who was the better player. It was arguable and not clear. Hope see some change in future.
People, about the MLG system, please consider this: either players are eliminated right off the bat, no second chances or anything, or they get a second chance, while having to play everybody else who wants a second chance.
You can argue that the extended series is BS, but in most instances, the winner wins without being in a situation where he would lose, should the tally have been reset, but, I understand: even if they don't get to that situation, the odds are against them and it kind of puts a mental pressure.
About the seeding: this is a season, and players who have been trying to show results year-wide should be rewarded. If Nestea and MvP stayed in Korea to focus on the GSL, because they didn't care enough for the prize, or because they were afraid of airplanes, then why should they start in the same spots as the people who flew in year-long?
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On November 20 2011 22:47 nihlon wrote:Just to balance all the Naniwa hate a bit, here is what he wrote on twitter about the Nestea thing: Show nested quote +CoLNaniwa
I must have formulated myself badly in the interviews I did not mean to call nestea bad. Or. An idiot watch next col iview. . .
CoLNaniwa
He said he would smash me before the game so that's why I wanted to do something funny. Also sry @MLG I felt very pressured .
CoLNaniwa
@eneKeyHunt @compLexityLive no pressure people twist what I say to what they want tho. I mean no disrespect to nestea
Well i supported naniwa even before reading that but now i really support him
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On November 20 2011 23:02 ravemir wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 22:30 double620 wrote:On November 20 2011 22:17 WhiteDog wrote:On November 20 2011 22:09 ravemir wrote:On November 20 2011 21:58 WhiteDog wrote:On November 20 2011 21:32 SeaSwift wrote:On November 20 2011 21:26 WhiteDog wrote:
You're a joke man... Nestea and MVP beaten by Naniwa who can't even qualify himself for Code A doesn't mean shit ? You're good at changing reality, but the truth is protoss is rampaging everything (Gatored beating Ganzi, really ?). What a belligerent post. Naniwa beat MVP/Nestea in the Global Invitational, which isn't even the main tournament, and then won ONE bo3 vs Nestea in the main tournament. Protoss is not "rampaging everything". Ganzi has AWFUL TvP, look at his win ratio. 36%. And this is the guy who took out both Puzzle and Oz. Hero completely outplayed every opponent he won against, but yes. HerO did well. Naniwa, MC and Huk have in total won 4 series so far, one of them a PvP. I don't call that Protoss dominance. While Protoss are doing well in the championship bracket/seeding, look at the bottom of this diagram: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Providence#Championship_BracketThere are 2 total Protoss players left in the lower bracket, out of 20 players. Again, Protoss dominance is all in your head. It's not a belligerent post, it's just a joke to watch protoss whining again and again and again despite obvious results. Yeah, having 3 protoss in the semi and most likely a PvP final (yeah my call, two MLGs back to back) is not impressive. About the lower bracket, it's not even interesting to comment... You have no names fighting against pro players, but overall, in the winner bracket protoss are doing just as good as everybody (out of 74 protoss, 2 get to the final of the open bracket, HerO and State, out of 68 terran only one, MvP, and out of 93 zerg, 5 got into the final). Naniwa with 11% win loss ratio in GSL arguing that Nestea is not good and then winning against him... is not "impressive". You need to chill a little bit and think about the circumstances: if there are more zerg than protoss and terran combined, how does that show that there is a protoss dominance in the lower bracket? Also, don't forget that the loser's bracket still counts, and there were 6, I believe, Terrans moving forward to the Champ bracket. There are still 11 (6 of them aren't "no-names") Terrans participating, 5 Protoss and 8 Zerg. And please cut it out with Nani's results in the GSL, it's getting old. The kid's needs to get a bit humble, but don't deny that he is doing pretty good. I'm perfectly chill, and I'm actually a naniwa's fan. I like that boy out of all the protoss foreigner, and I'm happy to seeing him do well, despite the moment where he shit on tournaments and other players. But, if you compare to the moment where he was just getting to korea, when he whined about protoss' shape, then it's safe to assume the game is at least balanced. Never said protoss were imbalance, but some of the result are certainly "impressive" to say the least. Despite that, you still have people arguing about : is protoss weak, imba or whatnot. It's boring. The only thing that is failing in MLG is, as ever, not the balance but the tournament structure, giving almost freewins to high seeded players. I have to agree the last thing you say. A lot of times in the gsl final, we see one sided final but after all the better player won the final. But sometimes in mlg final, did the better player really win the final? It was arguable. For example, Mc vs Huk, Huk won the final with a 4 gate battle + Mc's failed forge. Do not get me wrong, I do think Huk atm is better than Mc in PvP. But consider the number of games Mc played that day to Huk played that day, it was hard to say if the final showed who was better. Another one was the MMA vs MVP. Although I did believe MVP deserved that MLG win, I would say that final did not show who was the better player. It was arguable and not clear. Hope see some change in future. People, about the MLG system, please consider this: either players are eliminated right off the bat, no second chances or anything, or they get a second chance, while having to play everybody else who wants a second chance. You can argue that the extended series is BS, but in most instances, the winner wins without being in a situation where he would lose, should the tally have been reset, but, I understand: even if they don't get to that situation, the odds are against them and it kind of puts a mental pressure. About the seeding: this is a season, and players who have been trying to show results year-wide should be rewarded. If Nestea and MvP stayed in Korea to focus on the GSL, because they didn't care enough for the prize, or because they were afraid of airplanes, then why should they start in the same spots as the people who flew in year-long?
The problem is that you have a player that wins that isn't necessarily the best player there or even the better player just because he only had to play 1 series whereas everyone else had to play throughout the day.
It's MLG's format so it's their choice, but I don't consider the champion "the champion." Heck, I would argue that theSTC was more impressive than Huk overall in MLG Orlando. Huk deserved to win, but he did not actually have as good of a performance nor the performance of a "champion" as theSTC.
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On November 20 2011 22:47 nihlon wrote:Just to balance all the Naniwa hate a bit, here is what he wrote on twitter about the Nestea thing: Show nested quote +CoLNaniwa
I must have formulated myself badly in the interviews I did not mean to call nestea bad. Or. An idiot watch next col iview. . .
CoLNaniwa
He said he would smash me before the game so that's why I wanted to do something funny. Also sry @MLG I felt very pressured .
CoLNaniwa
@eneKeyHunt @compLexityLive no pressure people twist what I say to what they want tho. I mean no disrespect to nestea
Mature move from nani. Thumbs up. I'm still cheering for that guy. Protoss needs a skilled bad boy who can actually produce results, unlike Idra.
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On November 20 2011 23:09 raf3776 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 22:47 nihlon wrote:Just to balance all the Naniwa hate a bit, here is what he wrote on twitter about the Nestea thing: CoLNaniwa
I must have formulated myself badly in the interviews I did not mean to call nestea bad. Or. An idiot watch next col iview. . .
CoLNaniwa
He said he would smash me before the game so that's why I wanted to do something funny. Also sry @MLG I felt very pressured .
CoLNaniwa
@eneKeyHunt @compLexityLive no pressure people twist what I say to what they want tho. I mean no disrespect to nestea Well i supported naniwa even before reading that but now i really support him
me too, ppl just pick on every word so hard o.o
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Huk Beat theSTC ... how does that make theSTC's performance better?
Huk also beat July, MKP and MC... just cause he didn't come from the open brackets, doesn't mean he had a bad performance.
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Naniwa in finals with Naniwa winning!
Top 3
Naniwa
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HuK/MC
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On November 20 2011 23:14 Apolex wrote:
Huk Beat theSTC ... how does that make theSTC's performance better?
Huk also beat July, MKP and MC... just cause he didn't come from the open brackets, doesn't mean he had a bad performance.
Huk did play better than theSTC in that series and good overall, but it's my personal opinion that theSTC had a better performance overall based on watching all the games he had to go through.
Now, I would reply to you in more detail. But point to where I said Huk had a bad performance, I take it you don't understand such a thing as relativity and only see things in absolute terms?
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On November 20 2011 23:13 Ghrimnar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 22:47 nihlon wrote:Just to balance all the Naniwa hate a bit, here is what he wrote on twitter about the Nestea thing: CoLNaniwa
I must have formulated myself badly in the interviews I did not mean to call nestea bad. Or. An idiot watch next col iview. . .
CoLNaniwa
He said he would smash me before the game so that's why I wanted to do something funny. Also sry @MLG I felt very pressured .
CoLNaniwa
@eneKeyHunt @compLexityLive no pressure people twist what I say to what they want tho. I mean no disrespect to nestea Mature move from nani. Thumbs up. I'm still cheering for that guy. Protoss needs a skilled bad boy who can actually produce results, unlike Idra.
Idra's results are sooooooooooooooooo much better than Naniwa's wtf are you talking about?
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I hope Naniwa wins, then immediatley after he does he posts in this thread with a giant thumbs down pic
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I missed a lot of the games yesterday and didn't really catch the whole Naniwa - Nestea thing. What happened? From what I gather, Nani paused without requesting because it was the wrong map? Then he looked up Nestea's build order and cannon rushed? At least that's what the korean community is telling me.
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On November 20 2011 23:21 Telcontar wrote:
I missed a lot of the games yesterday and didn't really catch the whole Naniwa - Nestea thing. What happened? From what I gather, Nani paused without requesting because it was the wrong map? Then he looked up Nestea's build order and cannon rushed? At least that's what the korean community is telling me.
Please don't start the shit train already
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On November 20 2011 23:21 Telcontar wrote:
I missed a lot of the games yesterday and didn't really catch the whole Naniwa - Nestea thing. What happened? From what I gather, Nani paused without requesting because it was the wrong map? Then he looked up Nestea's build order and cannon rushed? At least that's what the korean community is telling me.
Read: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/mimu3/naniwas_thoughts_on_mlg/c318uab
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On November 20 2011 23:11 wklbishop wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 23:02 ravemir wrote:
People, about the MLG system, please consider this: either players are eliminated right off the bat, no second chances or anything, or they get a second chance, while having to play everybody else who wants a second chance.
You can argue that the extended series is BS, but in most instances, the winner wins without being in a situation where he would lose, should the tally have been reset, but, I understand: even if they don't get to that situation, the odds are against them and it kind of puts a mental pressure.
About the seeding: this is a season, and players who have been trying to show results year-wide should be rewarded. If Nestea and MvP stayed in Korea to focus on the GSL, because they didn't care enough for the prize, or because they were afraid of airplanes, then why should they start in the same spots as the people who flew in year-long? The problem is that you have a player that wins that isn't necessarily the best player there or even the better player just because he only had to play 1 series whereas everyone else had to play throughout the day. It's MLG's format so it's their choice, but I don't consider the champion "the champion." Heck, I would argue that theSTC was more impressive than Huk overall in MLG Orlando. Huk deserved to win, but he did not actually have as good of a performance nor the performance of a "champion" as theSTC.
It kind of punishes the players who started playing in the middle of the season, but the Open Bracket argument is somewhat empty: Naniwa won Dallas himself coming from the open bracket, and there were alot of other players who got pretty good results aswell. So it is possible to come from the Open Bracket and rank high, and from there they can build their point rank and get their own seeds.
What would be actually good is a reset on the finals, and making it a Bo5, for good measure.
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Venue is filling in and we aren't even close to the games yet! This event is crazy. Also I hope you are all enjoying my photos <3
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