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MLG Providence Day 3 Live Report Thread - Page 11

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Here we go again. This weekend is about good games and good fun. Don't rain on that parade. Play nice guys. Here's the very standard and friendly:

- NO Balance Whine.
- NO Player Bashing.
- NO Caster Bashing.
- NO BM whatsoever.

Breaking these rules (from pg 166 forward) will be met with severe punishment.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
November 20 2011 14:23 GMT
#201
On November 20 2011 23:22 leungwk01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 23:21 Telcontar wrote:
I missed a lot of the games yesterday and didn't really catch the whole Naniwa - Nestea thing. What happened? From what I gather, Nani paused without requesting because it was the wrong map? Then he looked up Nestea's build order and cannon rushed? At least that's what the korean community is telling me.

Read: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/mimu3/naniwas_thoughts_on_mlg/c318uab


Thanks mate.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
November 20 2011 14:25 GMT
#202
On November 20 2011 23:21 Telcontar wrote:
I missed a lot of the games yesterday and didn't really catch the whole Naniwa - Nestea thing. What happened? From what I gather, Nani paused without requesting because it was the wrong map? Then he looked up Nestea's build order and cannon rushed? At least that's what the korean community is telling me.


Naniwa went Forge FE on Shakuras (standard PvZ opener).
He scouted Nestea, and after his probe arrived, Nestea then went hatch first.
Naniwa did a small cannon rush on the hatch first play from Nestea using his Forge FE opener.

It doesn't matter in the slightest whether he looked up Nestea's build or not, because there was nothing dodgy about what Naniwa did, and naniwa only cannon rushed because he scouted with a probe that Nestea had gone hatch first. Whether Nestea did it in game 1 or not doesn't matter, because Naniwa saw him do it using his scouting probe. Naniwa knew what build Nestea did because he had a probe in his base scouting it.
HOLY CHECK!
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
November 20 2011 14:26 GMT
#203
did Husky just do a "shocked trollface" xD?

poor drones, those banelings!
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
[17]Purple
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom3489 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-20 14:31:58
November 20 2011 14:29 GMT
#204
Does the Top 3 in this MLG still get a Code S spot?

Edit: The top player that dosen't have a Code S spot already, and also if HuK, MC or NesTea gets top 3 does that mean that they don't have to play in Code A?
"Turn Disadvantages into Disadvantages" and "Collect Telephones". The secrets of Chinese success.
plutonowy
Profile Joined August 2011
Afghanistan287 Posts
November 20 2011 14:29 GMT
#205
Naniwa is soo good JESUS!
Take it all boy. You already deserved it!
Fan of gomtv code s. Best SC2. KR >>>ALL Tasteless + Artosis >>>ALL
KDot2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1213 Posts
November 20 2011 14:32 GMT
#206
On November 20 2011 23:13 Ghrimnar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 22:47 nihlon wrote:
Just to balance all the Naniwa hate a bit, here is what he wrote on twitter about the Nestea thing:

CoLNaniwa
I must have formulated myself badly in the interviews I did not mean to call nestea bad. Or. An idiot watch next col iview. . .

CoLNaniwa
He said he would smash me before the game so that's why I wanted to do something funny. Also sry @MLG I felt very pressured .

CoLNaniwa
@eneKeyHunt @compLexityLive no pressure people twist what I say to what they want tho. I mean no disrespect to nestea




Mature move from nani. Thumbs up. I'm still cheering for that guy. Protoss needs a skilled bad boy who can actually produce results, unlike Idra.


lol Idras results are way better than Naniwas lately
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
November 20 2011 14:32 GMT
#207
On November 20 2011 23:29 [17]Purple wrote:
Does the Top 3 in this MLG still get a Code S spot?

Edit: The top player that dosen't have a Code S spot already, and also if HuK, MC or NesTea gets top 3 does that mean that they don't have to play in Code A?


I believe so, yeah
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
November 20 2011 14:33 GMT
#208
On November 20 2011 23:32 ToguRo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 23:13 Ghrimnar wrote:
On November 20 2011 22:47 nihlon wrote:
Just to balance all the Naniwa hate a bit, here is what he wrote on twitter about the Nestea thing:

CoLNaniwa
I must have formulated myself badly in the interviews I did not mean to call nestea bad. Or. An idiot watch next col iview. . .

CoLNaniwa
He said he would smash me before the game so that's why I wanted to do something funny. Also sry @MLG I felt very pressured .

CoLNaniwa
@eneKeyHunt @compLexityLive no pressure people twist what I say to what they want tho. I mean no disrespect to nestea




Mature move from nani. Thumbs up. I'm still cheering for that guy. Protoss needs a skilled bad boy who can actually produce results, unlike Idra.


lol Idras results are way better than Naniwas lately


Overall Idra's results are better than Naniwas, even though his first point is valid.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
msjakofsky
Profile Joined June 2011
1169 Posts
November 20 2011 14:34 GMT
#209
On November 20 2011 22:50 karpo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 22:48 ZenithM wrote:
On November 20 2011 22:41 nam nam wrote:
On November 20 2011 22:37 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On November 20 2011 22:30 KristianJS wrote:
What happened in the Idra vs MC matches? Did Idra just roll over to strong early pushes or something?


IdrA tried a 5-6 infestor + zergling timing attack on Xelnaga, MC's good force field stops it, idra loses

Game 2, IdrA plays almost perfectly, taking basically zero damage from stargate play. Get a fast third with good spore defense, losses almost nothing to the harass. Loses anyway when 4 sentries are dropped into his main and a round of units warp in and kill his lair.

Idra tries to counter attack with his roach army, but again, force field and cannons and VR is all you need to stop roaches.


On November 20 2011 22:38 ZenithM wrote:
On November 20 2011 22:30 KristianJS wrote:
What happened in the Idra vs MC matches? Did Idra just roll over to strong early pushes or something?


1st game: IdrA goes for the 2 base speedlings/burrowed infestors timing. MC defends with strong forcefields and counter attacks with a warprism sentry drops to block IdrA's main ramp. IdrA promptly gg's.
2nd game: MC's nexus first goes unchecked against IdrA's speed opening. IdrA attempts a baneling bust, which kills 10 probes but doesn't accomplish much else. MC opens stargate with 2 void rays and phoenixes. A warpprism comes out of the robo and he goes for the sentry ramp block again. IdrA tries to counter attack while losing his main, but gg's when... well, IdrA gg's with his usual timing (;D). It would have indeed be very hard to win in his position.

tl;dr: "Sentry drops to block the ramp, a very useful talent toi have."


Lol, it sounds like you are describing different games in game 2.


Haha lol that's right. Both are somewhat true though. What you need to remember is "warpprism sentry drops ramp block into gg" mostly.


I'm pretty sure SafeAsCheese is a Idra fan and also quite the zerg defender so i'd take his "perfect play" with a grain of salt.


and you do that well since idra already lost in a televised match vs this sentry drop like 2 months ago, and idra also attempted to cheese at the start. so he couldn't think of a way to prevent this in 2 months, while it's really easy (some crawlers or roaches near your ramp, there, it's impossible to do).
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
November 20 2011 14:37 GMT
#210
Man I'm pumped for today, just hope the final won't be mirror! Would love to see diversity, seeing the best players win and seeing no whine about races being OP or UP, while having a awesome LR without player bashing and where the manner spirit of SC2 and TL reigns supreme. I have the right to dream haven't I?
Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
wklbishop
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1286 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-20 14:38:06
November 20 2011 14:37 GMT
#211
If Naniwa gets a Code S spot through MLG, that means everyone who has gotten Code S so far has bombed out of Code A first.

LOOOL. Coincidence I guess.
Gameplay > Personality
[17]Purple
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom3489 Posts
November 20 2011 14:40 GMT
#212
On November 20 2011 23:37 wklbishop wrote:
If Naniwa gets a Code S spot through MLG, that means everyone who has gotten Code S so far has bombed out of Code A first.

LOOOL. Coincidence I guess.


Aren't there now two available Code S seeds for GSL according to the new format? Does that mean that 2 people will be getting Code S spots from MLG?
"Turn Disadvantages into Disadvantages" and "Collect Telephones". The secrets of Chinese success.
ravemir
Profile Joined April 2011
Portugal595 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-20 14:44:58
November 20 2011 14:41 GMT
#213
I think the player that wins this tournament won't get the Code S directly, but an Up and Down seed instead...
"more gg, more skill"
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
November 20 2011 14:44 GMT
#214
http://www.facebook.com/mlgpro?sk=app_157069321052128

Wow, you can watch MLG through Facebook O.O
<3 | Dota 2 | DayZ | <3
Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
November 20 2011 14:44 GMT
#215
Starting with losira vs PuMa according to mr bitter awesomeeeeee.
Corrik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1416 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-20 14:52:29
November 20 2011 14:52 GMT
#216
On November 20 2011 23:22 ravemir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 23:11 wklbishop wrote:
On November 20 2011 23:02 ravemir wrote:
People, about the MLG system, please consider this: either players are eliminated right off the bat, no second chances or anything, or they get a second chance, while having to play everybody else who wants a second chance.

You can argue that the extended series is BS, but in most instances, the winner wins without being in a situation where he would lose, should the tally have been reset, but, I understand: even if they don't get to that situation, the odds are against them and it kind of puts a mental pressure.

About the seeding: this is a season, and players who have been trying to show results year-wide should be rewarded. If Nestea and MvP stayed in Korea to focus on the GSL, because they didn't care enough for the prize, or because they were afraid of airplanes, then why should they start in the same spots as the people who flew in year-long?


The problem is that you have a player that wins that isn't necessarily the best player there or even the better player just because he only had to play 1 series whereas everyone else had to play throughout the day.

It's MLG's format so it's their choice, but I don't consider the champion "the champion." Heck, I would argue that theSTC was more impressive than Huk overall in MLG Orlando. Huk deserved to win, but he did not actually have as good of a performance nor the performance of a "champion" as theSTC.


It kind of punishes the players who started playing in the middle of the season, but the Open Bracket argument is somewhat empty: Naniwa won Dallas himself coming from the open bracket, and there were alot of other players who got pretty good results aswell. So it is possible to come from the Open Bracket and rank high, and from there they can build their point rank and get their own seeds.

What would be actually good is a reset on the finals, and making it a Bo5, for good measure.


Your argument is flawed big time.

Naniwa came out of the open bracket in the first event. And he came out of the open bracket before any Korean or basically any Europeans came over.

Look at the player pool when Naniwa came out of the Open Bracket. And many players don't come back because going through the Open Bracket doesn't yield a pool spot and because you can't justify the travel costs to prize pool. This is why Thorzain never came back.
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
November 20 2011 15:01 GMT
#217
It's on :D
leungwk01
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1260 Posts
November 20 2011 15:01 GMT
#218
Losira vs Puma
First time I don't want puma to win only so I can see losira play some ZvP (but unlikely)
redloser
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1738 Posts
November 20 2011 15:03 GMT
#219
are they going to use the beta streams too? or only Red and Blue for today?
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
November 20 2011 15:03 GMT
#220
On November 21 2011 00:01 leungwk01 wrote:
Losira vs Puma
First time I don't want puma to win only so I can see losira play some ZvP (but unlikely)


I dunno man, Losira's ZvT has been looking good as of late.
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