On November 20 2011 23:22 leungwk01 wrote:
Read: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/mimu3/naniwas_thoughts_on_mlg/c318uab
Read: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/mimu3/naniwas_thoughts_on_mlg/c318uab
Thanks mate.
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
On November 20 2011 23:22 leungwk01 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 20 2011 23:21 Telcontar wrote: I missed a lot of the games yesterday and didn't really catch the whole Naniwa - Nestea thing. What happened? From what I gather, Nani paused without requesting because it was the wrong map? Then he looked up Nestea's build order and cannon rushed? At least that's what the korean community is telling me. Read: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/mimu3/naniwas_thoughts_on_mlg/c318uab Thanks mate. | ||
Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
On November 20 2011 23:21 Telcontar wrote: I missed a lot of the games yesterday and didn't really catch the whole Naniwa - Nestea thing. What happened? From what I gather, Nani paused without requesting because it was the wrong map? Then he looked up Nestea's build order and cannon rushed? At least that's what the korean community is telling me. Naniwa went Forge FE on Shakuras (standard PvZ opener). He scouted Nestea, and after his probe arrived, Nestea then went hatch first. Naniwa did a small cannon rush on the hatch first play from Nestea using his Forge FE opener. It doesn't matter in the slightest whether he looked up Nestea's build or not, because there was nothing dodgy about what Naniwa did, and naniwa only cannon rushed because he scouted with a probe that Nestea had gone hatch first. Whether Nestea did it in game 1 or not doesn't matter, because Naniwa saw him do it using his scouting probe. Naniwa knew what build Nestea did because he had a probe in his base scouting it. | ||
SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
poor drones, those banelings! | ||
[17]Purple
United Kingdom3489 Posts
Edit: The top player that dosen't have a Code S spot already, and also if HuK, MC or NesTea gets top 3 does that mean that they don't have to play in Code A? | ||
plutonowy
Afghanistan287 Posts
Take it all boy. You already deserved it! | ||
KDot2
United States1213 Posts
On November 20 2011 23:13 Ghrimnar wrote: Show nested quote + On November 20 2011 22:47 nihlon wrote: Just to balance all the Naniwa hate a bit, here is what he wrote on twitter about the Nestea thing: CoLNaniwa I must have formulated myself badly in the interviews I did not mean to call nestea bad. Or. An idiot watch next col iview. . . CoLNaniwa He said he would smash me before the game so that's why I wanted to do something funny. Also sry @MLG I felt very pressured . CoLNaniwa @eneKeyHunt @compLexityLive no pressure people twist what I say to what they want tho. I mean no disrespect to nestea Mature move from nani. Thumbs up. I'm still cheering for that guy. Protoss needs a skilled bad boy who can actually produce results, unlike Idra. lol Idras results are way better than Naniwas lately | ||
Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
On November 20 2011 23:29 [17]Purple wrote: Does the Top 3 in this MLG still get a Code S spot? Edit: The top player that dosen't have a Code S spot already, and also if HuK, MC or NesTea gets top 3 does that mean that they don't have to play in Code A? I believe so, yeah | ||
Grettin
42381 Posts
On November 20 2011 23:32 ToguRo wrote: Show nested quote + On November 20 2011 23:13 Ghrimnar wrote: On November 20 2011 22:47 nihlon wrote: Just to balance all the Naniwa hate a bit, here is what he wrote on twitter about the Nestea thing: CoLNaniwa I must have formulated myself badly in the interviews I did not mean to call nestea bad. Or. An idiot watch next col iview. . . CoLNaniwa He said he would smash me before the game so that's why I wanted to do something funny. Also sry @MLG I felt very pressured . CoLNaniwa @eneKeyHunt @compLexityLive no pressure people twist what I say to what they want tho. I mean no disrespect to nestea Mature move from nani. Thumbs up. I'm still cheering for that guy. Protoss needs a skilled bad boy who can actually produce results, unlike Idra. lol Idras results are way better than Naniwas lately Overall Idra's results are better than Naniwas, even though his first point is valid. | ||
msjakofsky
1169 Posts
On November 20 2011 22:50 karpo wrote: Show nested quote + On November 20 2011 22:48 ZenithM wrote: On November 20 2011 22:41 nam nam wrote: On November 20 2011 22:37 SafeAsCheese wrote: On November 20 2011 22:30 KristianJS wrote: What happened in the Idra vs MC matches? Did Idra just roll over to strong early pushes or something? IdrA tried a 5-6 infestor + zergling timing attack on Xelnaga, MC's good force field stops it, idra loses Game 2, IdrA plays almost perfectly, taking basically zero damage from stargate play. Get a fast third with good spore defense, losses almost nothing to the harass. Loses anyway when 4 sentries are dropped into his main and a round of units warp in and kill his lair. Idra tries to counter attack with his roach army, but again, force field and cannons and VR is all you need to stop roaches. On November 20 2011 22:38 ZenithM wrote: On November 20 2011 22:30 KristianJS wrote: What happened in the Idra vs MC matches? Did Idra just roll over to strong early pushes or something? 1st game: IdrA goes for the 2 base speedlings/burrowed infestors timing. MC defends with strong forcefields and counter attacks with a warprism sentry drops to block IdrA's main ramp. IdrA promptly gg's. 2nd game: MC's nexus first goes unchecked against IdrA's speed opening. IdrA attempts a baneling bust, which kills 10 probes but doesn't accomplish much else. MC opens stargate with 2 void rays and phoenixes. A warpprism comes out of the robo and he goes for the sentry ramp block again. IdrA tries to counter attack while losing his main, but gg's when... well, IdrA gg's with his usual timing (;D). It would have indeed be very hard to win in his position. tl;dr: "Sentry drops to block the ramp, a very useful talent toi have." Lol, it sounds like you are describing different games in game 2. Haha lol that's right. Both are somewhat true though. What you need to remember is "warpprism sentry drops ramp block into gg" mostly. I'm pretty sure SafeAsCheese is a Idra fan and also quite the zerg defender so i'd take his "perfect play" with a grain of salt. and you do that well since idra already lost in a televised match vs this sentry drop like 2 months ago, and idra also attempted to cheese at the start. so he couldn't think of a way to prevent this in 2 months, while it's really easy (some crawlers or roaches near your ramp, there, it's impossible to do). | ||
Zorgaz
Sweden2951 Posts
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wklbishop
United States1286 Posts
LOOOL. Coincidence I guess. | ||
[17]Purple
United Kingdom3489 Posts
On November 20 2011 23:37 wklbishop wrote: If Naniwa gets a Code S spot through MLG, that means everyone who has gotten Code S so far has bombed out of Code A first. LOOOL. Coincidence I guess. Aren't there now two available Code S seeds for GSL according to the new format? Does that mean that 2 people will be getting Code S spots from MLG? | ||
ravemir
Portugal595 Posts
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Benjef
United Kingdom6921 Posts
Wow, you can watch MLG through Facebook O.O | ||
Olinimm
1471 Posts
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Corrik
United States1416 Posts
On November 20 2011 23:22 ravemir wrote: Show nested quote + On November 20 2011 23:11 wklbishop wrote: On November 20 2011 23:02 ravemir wrote: People, about the MLG system, please consider this: either players are eliminated right off the bat, no second chances or anything, or they get a second chance, while having to play everybody else who wants a second chance. You can argue that the extended series is BS, but in most instances, the winner wins without being in a situation where he would lose, should the tally have been reset, but, I understand: even if they don't get to that situation, the odds are against them and it kind of puts a mental pressure. About the seeding: this is a season, and players who have been trying to show results year-wide should be rewarded. If Nestea and MvP stayed in Korea to focus on the GSL, because they didn't care enough for the prize, or because they were afraid of airplanes, then why should they start in the same spots as the people who flew in year-long? The problem is that you have a player that wins that isn't necessarily the best player there or even the better player just because he only had to play 1 series whereas everyone else had to play throughout the day. It's MLG's format so it's their choice, but I don't consider the champion "the champion." Heck, I would argue that theSTC was more impressive than Huk overall in MLG Orlando. Huk deserved to win, but he did not actually have as good of a performance nor the performance of a "champion" as theSTC. It kind of punishes the players who started playing in the middle of the season, but the Open Bracket argument is somewhat empty: Naniwa won Dallas himself coming from the open bracket, and there were alot of other players who got pretty good results aswell. So it is possible to come from the Open Bracket and rank high, and from there they can build their point rank and get their own seeds. What would be actually good is a reset on the finals, and making it a Bo5, for good measure. Your argument is flawed big time. Naniwa came out of the open bracket in the first event. And he came out of the open bracket before any Korean or basically any Europeans came over. Look at the player pool when Naniwa came out of the Open Bracket. And many players don't come back because going through the Open Bracket doesn't yield a pool spot and because you can't justify the travel costs to prize pool. This is why Thorzain never came back. | ||
Fragile51
Netherlands15767 Posts
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leungwk01
United Kingdom1260 Posts
First time I don't want puma to win only so I can see losira play some ZvP (but unlikely) | ||
redloser
Korea (South)1721 Posts
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Fragile51
Netherlands15767 Posts
On November 21 2011 00:01 leungwk01 wrote: Losira vs Puma First time I don't want puma to win only so I can see losira play some ZvP (but unlikely) I dunno man, Losira's ZvT has been looking good as of late. | ||
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